CLIMATEGATE – NIWA excuse pathetic

Niwa has advised us of their excuse explanation for New Zealand’s 1 degree warming. It’s short and so I will post it in full so you can see what a load of b.s. it is.

Climate scientists say temperatures in New Zealand rose 1C between 1931 and 2008.

National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research scientists said yesterday that the analysis of long-term measurements from seven weather stations showing warming was backed up by other observations, including measurements from ships.

A 1995 study identified an upward trend of about 0.7C from 1900 to 1993 in night-time minimum air temperatures measured from ships over the ocean surrounding NZ.

“That trend is similar to the trend from the seven-station land network over the same period,” a Niwa spokesman said.

A senior climate scientist formerly employed by Niwa, Jim Salinger, has identified from the Niwa climate archives a set of 11 stations with long records where there have been no significant changes.

Niwa said: “When the annual temperatures from all of these sites are averaged to form a temperature series for New Zealand, the best-fit linear trend is a warming of 1C from 1931 to 2008.”

The institute was responding to a row – the so-called “climategate” controversy in which the private emails of climate scientists were hacked and leaked on the internet by climate-change sceptics.

This statement raises more questions than it answers which wouldn’t be hard since it answers none of the pressing questions that Rodney asked.

  1. So we have based our entire scientific advice behind our ETS for NZ on the basis of just 7 weather stations across the whole of New Zealand?
  2. FFS there are more than that in Auckland alone, why those seven?
  3. Why not include the other 11 that Jim Salinger found?
  4. So the entire “proof” that New Zealand warmed is based on just maybe 18 weather-stations across New Zealand?
  5. Good Grief, TVNZ gives us more weather data from more locations than that every night, why not use their data?
  6. It couldn’t be any worse, could it?
  7. Why alter the data on any of the stations, and which stations did have data alterations?
  8. How relevant is it to include temperature readings from ships, which you know are made of steel and surrounded by a cold sea?
  9. Who else in the world does this and is it valid peer-reviewed (oh the side hurt with laughter as I type that) process to include ships travelling at night?
  10. Where is NZPA’s proof that the emails were a)hacked, b) leaked by climate change sceptics?

This is just complete bollocks, and our tax dollars pay these guys. Time for a drastic budget slash at NIWA methinks.

  • Doug

    The late Augie Auer had the right idea in 2007.
    http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/SC0704/S00001.htm

  • Marybelle

    Well it is jolly cold today at my place – I wish the NIWA nitwits were right – I need some global warming today.

  • Doug

    And they call themselves Scientists Muppets more like.

  • Lucy

    "Dutch: Gore Wrong on Snows of Kilimanjaro" The dutch msm are reporting this (source Pajamas Media Blog)
    So the house of cards are falling.

  • Adolf Fiinkensein

    "is falling" if you don't mind!

  • Lucy

    Sorry Adolf. is falling

  • http://www.kiwiwit.blogspot.com/ Kiwiwit

    Good on Rodney Hide, but I feel all rational argument is futile on this issue. Climategate has made no difference to the lemming-like behaviour of politicians world-wide and our own PM is leading the charge over the cliff. I don’t think it is overstating the case to say the world has not seen such collective stupidity since the appeasement of Hitler. Regrettably, the consequences could be as dire.

  • Lucy

    Go to Pajamas Media Blog and read the article "Dutch: Gore Wrong on Snows of Kilimanjaro" that the msm in Holland are running just in time for the Copenhagen Talks.

  • Jman

    Best article I've read so far on Climategate from the essential Mark Steyn:

    http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/12/03/the-science-of…

  • Bok

    Yes in in NZ fools still tried to spin Key's folly into their favour. This from the one carried by his comments threads.
    "However painful those bruises might be, they pale into insignificance with the crippling wounds the ETS legislation has inflicted on the Australian Liberal Party. Despite only being the Opposition, not the Government, the ETS legislation resulted in a move to their fourth party leader in just two years."

    What a complete fool. He sees a faction standing up and saying: "no you are not going to ruin our economy for no climate gain" as the ones being crippled? the only "crippling" was being done to Turnbull who tried to do what key did.

    Wow.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Chiefsfan73 Chiefsfan73

      Yes and Rudd is quick to keep pushing the denier line, as Abbott has stepped up. I hate this denier tag. I don't deny climate change. It always has and always will, but this is their cunning ploy to alienate, isolate and ultimately defeat those who stand opposed to left wing global govt

  • John Boy

    I love the web and those like Doug who know how to use it. I warn my kids about their content on the web and the same applies to these guys. Uncovering the scam may not save us from this foolishness but at least we can embarrass them on the road to ruin.

  • http://openparachute.wordpress.com Ken

    It might have helped if you had actually printed the full NIWA press release.

    Unfortunately there is something currently worong or your set up doesn't allow me to copy/past it here – but interested (and fair-minded) readers can go to
    NZ Temperature rise clear.

  • http://nominister.blogspot.com Barnsley Bill

    Budget cuts ti NIWA I hear you call.
    Okay.
    Lets start with the extra carpark the boss gets so he can park his Porsche across two bays . He only brings it to work when he knows nobody from the government is visiting.

  • fatheadfan

    If climate "researchers" became doctors – a bit of Friday humour.
    http://www.tomnaughton.com/?p=443

  • http://www.inpho.co.nz Shane Pleasance

    Based on the veracity of previous scientific claims relating to AGW, why consider the data collected over this time period & in these ways to be any more sound? Ships measuring minimum night temperature off NZ over 70 years or so? And even if these are accurate and consistent – what is to say it is as a result of human activity?

    Pfffft.

  • baxter

    "Climate scientists say temperatures in New Zealand rose 1C between 1931 and 2008."

    All the more remarkable when we consider 1934 was the hottest year on record so it would seem the temperature must have dropped between 1934 and 2008.