Does Matahir represent the Religion of Peace?

I used to think that Malaysia was a relatively benign Muslim state. Not any longer. This is what Matahir Mohamad said last Wednesday to a Muslim Pro-Palestine Conference.

Malaysia’s former premier Mahathir Mohamad said on Wednesday there was “strong evidence” the US faked the September 11 terror attacks as an excuse to go to war against Muslims.

“There is strong evidence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make anything,’ Mahathir told the Conference for the Support of Al-Quds (Jerusalem), as quoted by local media.

The former premier also blamed Jews for hindering progress in US foreign policy. Voicing his disappointment that Barack Obama had not yet ended the war in Afghanistan or closed the US terror detention center at Guantanamo, he explained that “there are forces in the United States which prevent the president from doing some things. One of the forces is the Jewish lobby.”

Jews “had always been a problem in European countries. They had to be confined to ghettoes and periodically massacred. But still they remained, they thrived and they held whole governments to ransom,” Mahathir said.

“Even after their massacre by the Nazis of Germany, they survived to continue to be a source of even greater problems for the world.”

I wonder if Jeanette Fitzsimons has been talking to the good Doctor. This sort of blatent anti-Semitism is disgusting. and meanwhile our media gets upset about some markings on a rifle scope.

Why is it that where-ever Muslims settle in large numbers violence follows? The Religion of Peace, PIGS ARSE!

hat tip Andrew Bolt


  • Worthatry

    In response to where Muslims settle in large number violence follows you might just want to look at western influence in these areas. In fact nearly every country that was a colony or got touched by a colony of the old empires pretty muchg has seen a huge amount of bllodshed. We basically unstabilised nations through conquest and gave them new technology then left them a power vacuum to fill. Guess what happened then civil wars even when we didn't conquer them we'd give the side we liked technology.

    This is the biggest joke of them all though we go and find Israel in what is precieved by the world as the most holy site because we feel guilty about what we did in world war 2. This results in Islam being shunned from their holy land and when a minority of them get angry enough and go radical we blame them for their aggression and the actions of a few individuals ends up representing them as a whole.

    • Kiwireader

      At the end of the day Worthatry, Muslims don't recognise an elected government, they recognise the Koran. As soon as their numbers in any particular country get to a critical level, they can start to change things by voter power. Take for example Sharia courts being established in Wales. For fucks sake, talk about poisoning yourself from within! That should never, ever be able to happen here.

      The reason they migrate to Western countries is because the way we run things WORKS, although would hate to admit that. Unlike the shit holes where they come from.

      • Subscriber

        Lets take a sec here and think the guy chemical ali that got trialed and sentenced to death for the fourth time could weaponise such chemicals as mustard gas and have the technology to effectively distribute it. Don't be ignorant and pathetic we give them this technology and ironically Iran and its population hates the western world cause we gave Iraq the tech. that did so much damage.

        Also don't sprout democratic nonsense it's all crap. Wow we have democracy why the hell does that make us superior. Just because they dont elect a government means crap often countries are more stable that way and can function extremely well.

        So how well does our system work. Oh wait nearly every country owes China and you can hardly say they are elected. But we do have a better standard of living but then again our govt. reelection bribes have seen us basically incur more debt then we can handle. So grow up and realise democracy is not always the best.

    • Mike

      Islam shunned from their holy Land ?????

  • Mike

    nice blog I have always stated that the 230 odd million pop of indonesia which is also an islamic country is a worry.
    Even the cell members that hit USA hid out there for a while. but oh no the peaceniks say its cool.
    Yea Right.

    • Seán

      I don't think that Indonesia is an Islamic state per se, but rather a republic. Of course the majority of the population Muslim but its attitude towards religion is very different to that of countries on the Arabian peninsula. From Wikipedia: "The Indonesian Constitution states "every person shall be free to choose and to practice the religion of his/her choice" and "guarantees all persons the freedom of worship, each according to his/her own religion or belief". The government, however, officially only recognizes six religions, namely Islam, Protestantism, Catholicism, Hinduism, Buddhism and Confucianism"

      • Lukas

        tell that to the thousands of Christians killed there ever year.

  • http://www.threechairs.co.nz peter

    As a bit of an aside, have you seen the latest photo of Fitzsimons on the cover of some magazine? I thought the infamous touched-up photo of Helen Clark was scary.

  • old timer

    The source of the troubles are the abrahamic religions,the jews the christians and the moslems.Strangely they all prey on the same gawd.But i’m afraid to say that islam is about to go stark raving mad and the next few years are n’t going to be pretty.As for 911 it was done by the jews as an excuse to get america to fight islam.Believe as I do or I’ll fucking well kill you.

    • michael

      old timer:"As for 911 it was done by the jews as an excuse to get america to fight islam.Believe as I do or I'll fucking well kill you."

      Knock yourself out old timer here's a taste of what Game Theory War-Planners have been up to.Watch it with an open mind and form your own theory again after viewing it.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNjb1MGmGDc&fe

      • Mike

        Thank you Michael interesting points of view. More weeks of research :(

  • Theresaj

    The moderate , modern Malaysia myth has always been that , a total myth. They haven't had any terrorist attacks on their soil because they harbour terrorists for eg Bashir who many seem to think is Indonesian. He is not , he is from the Yemen.

  • Theresaj

    Islam is not a religion. It is a male Arab, supremacist cult. It has always been about Arab supremacy. Just check out the muslim scene in your home town..There will be several different ''classes'' of muslims..The Arabs will always be on top. Oh and the saudis have already said they want western aid when the oil runs out.

    • Worthatry

      It is no more a cult then any other deemed religion in fact as it has the most worshippers some might consider it more justifield to be called a religion. Further more your ignorance seems to rival Matahirs as nearly all major religions could be considered male supremacist or am I wrong that the higher positions of christian churches are reserved for males.

      I don't think you realise the western world is dependent on the Saudis and not just for the oil. They have large investments in the western economies and that aid you mention will be aid for us as well because the withdrawal of that sought of money will collapse the world economy worst then the recession we just went through. So feel free to make judgements about their faith but remember that the western equivalent is no less juvenile.

      • michael

        Touche Worthatry touche

  • strikeforce

    matahir said in 2004 that Australia can never call itself an asian nation until it has at least 51% of its population are of asian stock. Aussie has 21 million people with 2.2 billion asians in kevin rudds 2020 asia union. Scary times ahead.

  • old timer

    Michael can you transcribe it for me as my high speed dial up takes ages to watch you tube or give me a website to investigate the game theory war planners.

  • old timer

    palestine think tank .com. Jeff Gates.Is this what you refer to.?looks interesting ,911 always seemed fake to me.The believe as i do refers to the religions not to my theory btw.

  • http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com Elijah Lineberry

    It is as much a 'religion of peace' as Richard Worth is an expert on marital fidelity…

  • michael

    old timer:"As for 911 it was done by the jews as an excuse to get america to fight islam.Believe as I do or I'll fucking well kill you."

    What you said is what the link explains in Criminal State " game theory war-planners "which started a decade before 9/11 through to the planned attack on Iran in the near future.

  • michael

    Its about using another country to fight your wars

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Titan_Uranus Titan_Uranus

    The religion of bits and pieces, "There is strong evi­dence that the attacks were staged. If they can make Avatar, they can make any­thing,’ " how can can you argue against that sort of feeble logic?

  • old timer

    Thank you michael.

  • Kiwireader

    Islam and Western culture do not mix. Simple. Just wait until we have many thousands more, then we will start noticing the same problems as all the other Western European countries have.

    Here is a great example of what they are up to in Australia:

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/tax

    And in Norway (from a senior Police officer too):

    http://www.eutimes.net/2010/01/norway-pays-bitter

    • Worthatry

      Wow niether of those articles even come close to justifying your point. Next time understand Islam is a religion not a race so by saying that those incidents condemn Islam within society is a joke. The blatant racism you have shown is quite astounding and a great example of further ignorance. Islam is a minority in our country but fact is not the ce of abuse but more often the targets of it. By using your example I could use any number of white serial killers to represent what christians are up to.

      Even if you consider the actual troubles that western culture has had with Islam such as the riots after the comic pictures of Mohamad it is nearly identicle to the christians response to John Lennons comments that the beetles are bigger then Jesus. Even then though many Islamic people took offense to it they did not riot.

      So if you can refrain from being so ignorant about other cultures that might actually help instead of throwing round unjustified remarks that will offend.

    • strikeforce

      In Australia lebs and sudanese and somali gangs are busted for pack rapes on an almost weekly basis. These are 95% of the time on young anglo Australian women. While the aussie press do highlight these crimes, They fail to mention these are racially and religously motivated. It is ironic that the Attacks on Indian students are now not racial attacks because it is know suspected that lebs and sudanese are to blame.

      When anglo males are involved they quickly become racially motivated crimes with protests outside the aussie consulate in Delhi. Truely a disgrace.

      • Subscriber

        Ok so what makes these religiously motivated. I don't doubt they are racially motivated but I dont here any Islamic leaders preaching followers to rape. It is another stupid thought that simply because you belong to a race you are that religion and your actions therefore are a reflection of that religion.

        That is a joke there has been plenty of militant christian movements resulting in violence you could even say Charles Manson for example. That does not mean of christianity is racist like he was or even as violent as he was.

        Aussie is a bad example too, mate considering we live just across the ditch I think all of us have heard the aussies talk about races. The racial tensions across there are due in part to the caucasians. Its not like the caucasians haven't dished it out in the past if its to the aborigines or greeks or whoever.

        Lets face it as Pakeha we just complain more.

        • strikeforce

          agreed subscriber, It just seems whenever an anglo aussie attacks a minority it is racial. You are correct though about whether the church or mosque preach rape. I think in aussie with lebs and sudanese packs it is a cultural thing rather than religous.

  • becn

    oh I wouldn't read too much into the 9-11 comments. I expect you'll find advocates of that conspiracy right across the board.

    The big problem isn't the fact that they are muslim – it's the religious aspect. They are anti-jew (careful of terms – arabs are semetic, the word anti-semetic does not apply to a jew-hating arab), and the jews are anti-arab, no I don't believe their propoganda.

    Wherever you have religious led politics you have some pretty damn evil stuff.

    For instance you could reverse the "arab" and "jew" words and have rhetoric which is pretty normal.

    Again – it isn't muslims settling that is the problem. It is fundamentalist religion of ALL breeds that is the problem

  • Worthatry

    I hate the anti-semintism expressed by matahir and there is no justification for such beliefs but reading responses here there seems to be the same garbage but anti-islamic.

    The western world was founded on violence and remains on the threats of violence, we created modern war and now there is a response lets just hope that we haven't taken on more then we can handle this time.

    • Mike

      And what do you think the east was founded on…. Peace ….. Yea right.

    • Kiwireader

      I have no problem maintaining our Western values through our alliances with those who have superior military power.

      Tell me, would you like to live in China under a repressive regime? Would you like to live in Saudi Arabia, which is akin to the stone age? No, I didn't think so. Be grateful for what we have, and help stick up for it.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/thor42 thor42

    Completely right as usual, WO.
    As for these "9/11 conspiracy" FUCKWITS – piss off, you morons.
    You are completely incapable of understanding that Muslims are very able and willing to do such acts of terror. No "conspiracy theory" is needed.
    Mohammad (you know, that guy who Muslims look up to as an example) *** TIED AN OLD WOMAN TO TWO CAMELS AND RIPPED HER IN HALF!!! *** Have a look – it's in the Quran.
    And yet you STILL can't believe that Muslims are capable of such evil!

    Were the two attacks in Bali "staged"? Were those in London, Madrid and Beslan?
    How utterly bizarre and ridiculous these conspiracy theorists are.
    Here, you fools – this site will debunk you once and for all -
    http://www.debunking911.com/
    MORONS….

    • michael

      thor42:"You are completely incapable of understanding that Muslims are very able and willing to do such acts of terror. No "conspiracy theory" is needed."

      and christians don't fit into that catagory? anyway here's a link that counters yours:

      http://www.ae911truth.org/

  • Theresaj

    Worthatry..You are trying to defend the indefensable..Which islamic country have you lived in ? I lived in Malaysia under Mahattir so I can't share your dream world.

  • Theresaj

    Presently, both the US and the UK are anticipating attacks by western looking and western dressed Yemini women as suicide bombers. Religion of peace..yeah right.

  • Seán

    Oh dear another honest politician! What difference between Matahir's comments and Hone's? Both unwise, but also both honest.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/thor42 thor42

    I am PROUD to be "anti-Islamic", as "Worthatry" says.
    If Worthatry actually did some in-depth research, he would find out that Islam is not so much a "religion" as a totalitarian, fascist-style IDEOLOGY-cum-personality-cult centered around Mohammad.

    There is no more "shame" in being anti-Islamic than there is in being anti-Nazi. There is NOTHING WRONG in being against an ideology – especially one as evil as Islam.

    I've been researching Islam for about the past eight years. Can Worthatry make such a claim?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Whaleoil Whaleoil

      Is that Mohammad the Goat-fucker or Mohammad the Kiddy-fiddler, bet he could get name suppression for both those crimes.

      • http://intensedebate.com/people/thor42 thor42

        Indeed…. ;)
        I was going to edit my comment above to say that there is nothing wrong with being against EVIL. Whether Islam is called an ideology or a "religion", it is still evil.
        My research (personal research, that is) has utterly convinced me that Islam is far closer to being a fascist-style ideology than a religion.

      • becn

        I know about Mohammad's 9yo wife but whats this about goats? Or is it just namecalling?

  • Theresaj

    good posts Thor42…Do you read Winds of Jihad an Aussie site or Jihad Watch an American site? All the latest on these two sites.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/thor42 thor42

      Hi -
      I sometimes drop in to JihadWatch – it's very good.
      Haven't seen Winds of Jihad – I'll check them out.

  • michael

    W O:"Actually it does because no one can take it off them, plus Resolution 181 of the UN specifically sets up and Israeli state."

    According to history as written by the winner, Zionism, Israel was given its birth certificate and thus legitimacy by the UN Partition Resolution of 29 November 1947. This is propaganda nonsense.

    * In the first place the UN without the consent of the majority of the people of Palestine did not have the right to decide to partition Palestine or assign any part of its territory to a minority of alien immigrants in order for them to establish a state of their own.
    * Despite that, by the narrowest of margins, and only after a vote, the UN General Assembly did pass a resolution to partition Palestine and create two states, one Arab, one Jewish, with Jerusalem not part of either. But the General Assembly resolution was only a proposal – meaning that it could have no effect, would not become policy, unless approved by the Security Council.
    * The truth is that the General Assembly’s partition proposal never went to the Security Council for consideration. Why not? Because the U.S. knew that, if approved, it could only be implemented by force given the extent of Arab and other Muslim opposition to it; and President Truman was not prepared to use force to partition Palestine.
    * So the partition plan was vitiated (became invalid) and the question of what the hell to do about Palestine – after Britain had made a mess of it and walked away, effectively surrendering to Zionist terrorism – was taken back to the General Assembly for more discussion. The option favoured and proposed by the U.S. was temporary UN Trusteeship. It was while the General Assembly was debating what do that Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence – actually in defiance of the will of the organised international community, including the Truman administration.

    The truth of the time was that the Zionist state, which came into being mainly as a consequence of pre-planned ethnic cleansing, had no right to exist and, more to the point, could have no right to exist UNLESS … Unless it was recognised and legitimized by those who were dispossessed of their land and their rights during the creation of the Zionist state. In international law only the Palestinians could give Israel the legitimacy it craved.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/thor42 thor42

      Hey michael. Where is this country whose land Israel is alleged to have invaded?
      The mythical country of Palestine?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Whaleoil Whaleoil

      I wouldn't call a vote of 33 to 13 the narrowest of margins, the narrowest of margins would be 1. If you can't get that basic fact right what does that say about the rest of your pro-Islamic imaginations.

      The Arabs refused to accept the deal.

      The Poms pulled out and the Israelis, better armed, more willing to do the hard yards and more motivated after having more than 6 million of then incinerated declared independence and then fought off the combined armies of the Arab league to hold the land, they have held it ever since.

      Meanwhile the \”Palestinians\” created the worlds first greivance industry, a model so successful that Maori adopted it.

      At the time of partition, Jews moved out of Arab parts, funnily enough some Arabs stayed put in Israel and are contributing members of their society. The others that decided that grievance and Israels destruction were more important thought endless sucking off the tit of the UN and chucking rocks, then bombs, then bombs strapped to their kids and wives and then rockets as a valid way of resolving the issue.

      • michael

        Whats interesting to note is your use of the word Palestinians, Resolution 181 which was not validated by the UNSC at the time Israel unilaterally declared itself to be in existence.
        People deny the existence of the Palestinian people or Palestine but use the British Mandate and the UN to cover their deception.

  • michael

    thor42:" There is no more "shame" in being anti-Islamic than there is in being anti-Nazi. There is NOTHING WRONG in being against an ideology."

    and Zionism is an ideology does that make me anti-semetic for speaking out against the occupation of Palestinian land?

    Quote from Rabbi Yechezkel Shraga Halberstam The Divrei Yechzkel of Shinova

    "You should know, that when a Jew recites 'Hear O Israel, G-d is our Lord, G-d is One' he should have in mind to reject all idolatry in the world, and Zionism is also idolatry, and he must reject it as well."

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/thor42 thor42

      michael – The Jews have been there for thousands of years.
      Here, check this site out -
      http://www.masada2000.org/been-had.html

      A quote from that site -

      "During the 19 years that the territories, including Jerusalem and Gaza, were occupied by the kingdoms of Jordan and Egypt, (refer to http://masada2000.org/historical.html) no one talked about a Palestinian state, not the Arab countries, not the United Nations.

      Nobody asked Jordan or Egypt to abdicate their ownership and give it to the Palestinians. Not even the Palestinians themselves said anything about a Palestinian state or a Palestinian people, because nobody heard of a Palestinian people. It never existed.

      The fact simply is that there are no Palestinians. These people are Arabs like all other Arabs, and they happen to live in a region called Palestine. They are not a separate people."

      Also, check this out -
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel
      That will show you that Israel was set up by the League of Nations after World War I. "Spoils of war" and all that.

      I don't see anyone protesting about the Muslims having **invaded and conquered** all of North Africa, then across to Pakistan and down to Indonesia. Can you spell H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-S-Y?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/thor42 thor42

      Oh dear…. the "poor Palestinians" thing.
      Well, dear michael – since the Palestinians are Muslims, it looks like the continued existence of Israel is "the will of Allah". So, if they have complaints, they should address them to their "god".

      • michael

        funny conclusions in your link .Now what about DNA a subject most Israeli's don't want to talk about, where it puts the Palestinians firmly rooted to the origins of this area compared to the aliens who have migrated from Europe and other areas.The history of this land has been the subject of Conquest how ever the reign of Israel only lasted from 400-500 years at the maximum which brings us to the British Mandate which gave Jews a homeland in Palestine over the protest of the majority of those already their.

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  • michael

    A more clearer picture of who the Palestinians are and the ethnology to their background.

    By religious affiliation, most Palestinians are Muslim, particularly of the Sunni branch of Islam, and there is a significant Palestinian Christian minority of various Christian denominations, as well as a small Samaritan community. As the commonly applied "Palestinian Arab" ethnonym implies, the current traditional vernacular of Palestinians, irrespective of religion, is the Palestinian dialect of Arabic. For those who are Arab citizens of Israel, many are now also bilingual in Modern Hebrew. Recent genetic evidence has demonstrated that Palestinians as an ethnic group represent modern "descendants of a core population that lived in the area since prehistoric times,"[13][14] largely predating the Arabian Muslim conquest that resulted in their acculturation, established Arabic as their sole vernacular, and over time also Islamized most of them from various prior faiths.

    The first widespread use of "Palestinian" as an endonym to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the local Arabic-speaking population of Palestine began prior to the outbreak of World War I,[15] and the first demand for national independence was issued by the Syrian-Palestinian Congress on 21 September 1921.[16] After the creation of Israel, the exodus of 1948, and more so after the exodus of 1967, the term came to signify not only a place of origin, but the sense of a shared past and future in the form of a Palestinian nation-state.[15] The Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) represents the Palestinian people before the international community.[17] The Palestinian National Authority, officially established as a result of the Oslo Accords, is an interim administrative body nominally responsible for governance in Palestinian population centres in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/thor42 thor42

    Oh wow…. nice try, michael, but FAIL.
    You can go on about DNA, this that and the other until the cows come home.
    The fact is – there is NO COUNTRY called "Palestine" whose people had "their" land stolen by Israel.
    Now, go and cry into your chardonnay… :)

    • michael

      The DNA origin of the Palestinians:enjoy.

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11543891

    • michael

      thor42:"To have been "invaded" and had land "stolen", there has to have been a country there in the first place. There wasn't. End of story."

      The the state of Israel has no right to exist.

    • michael

      correction:then the state of Israel has no right to exist

    • michael

      In total agreement Arafat and the PLO were corrupt and so is Abbas and his officials, thats why they lost the elections to Hamas

    • michael

      DNA,NEW CLUES to Jewish Roots: enjoy

      http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/14/science/in-dna-

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  • Theresaj

    thor42…other good sites for you Australian islamist monitor and Gates of Vienna..
    Michael……No people group or place on earth have had more aid money poured into them than ''the palastinians '' Where have all these trillions gone? The Swiss bankers must have had a great laugh. It will be a great day when their leaders care about them as much as you seem to.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Whaleoil Whaleoil

      The Kiddy-Fiddler and Goff's hand holder Yasser Arafat squirreled away millons

      • michael

        Sorry placed my response in the wrong thread:In total agreement Whale Arafat and the PLO were corrupt and so is Abbas and his officials, thats why they lost the elections to Hamas

  • Spoff

    I suggest some clarification of what what Dr Mahathir actually said is warranted. Here is a video of the speech given on 10 January. The money quote is at 6.53 when he says:

    “The Jews had often been persecuted, confined to ghettos and even massacred periodically but whenever they were persecuted in Europe they had always found safe haven in Muslim countries”

    I am not sure whether there is another speech to which this thread pertains but from this version it appears that there has been a subtle alteration of one word that changes the whole context.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZewcnqiZzc