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Go catch some real crims

by Whaleoil on February 7, 2010

So the police reckon they are investigating me again. They must be doing it from the comfort of their air-conditioned offices.

Tell you what why don’t they go catch the pedos and rapists instead of wasting police time chasing a blogger who likes interesting names.

Justice Minister Simon Power said Slater’s threats to expose the personal details of judges on his website were “probably not helpful”.

Tell you what FIGJAM, stop trying to convince your caucus colleagues you are the next leader of the Natonal Party, and pull your thumb out of your arse and fix the stupid law.

You rammed through the repeal of the defence of provocation and now National are saving cats and dogs while pedos, kiddy fiddlers, rapists and bashers continue to hide behind their victims. Even worse certain lawyers and the Solicitor-General want me banged up in prison and a guy who downloads 300,000 pornographic images gets Home Detention…how screwed up is the system when that happens?

Stop prevaricating and sort it out, it is real simple so simple even you might manage to understand it. Though I suspect you are far to wet and liberal and actually like crims being able to hide that you will do your best to do nothing. That will not b a wise course of action as I reckon there will at least one case a week from now to the election to focus on, ask John if he wants to fight the election on name suppression as an issue.

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  • becn

    Proven that these people can be rehabilitated? What absolute rubbish!!! State your sources or admit you're making it up in a liberal criminal hugging wet dream.

    EVERYONE who is convicted should have their name published. I am not as in favour as WO for total naming pre-trial. But NO ONE should EVER have suppression once convicted.

    For some crimes – especially child abuse – i favour universal use of stocks for a week in the city center

    • Guest

      I agree, how the law stands everyone is innocent until proven guilty so I am generally ok with suppression at this point, however, once convicted/pleaded guilty, society/individual has clearly stated that their actions are unacceptable, so publish, pretty clear cut.
      I suppose there would be some exections to this, but what?

      • Sinner

        innocent until proven guilty

        Yeah well that's turned out really well hasn't it. Time NZ got real about criminals and leftists.

        Guilty until Dead has a much better ring to it!

    • Sinner

      For crimes like "child abuse" or "membership of the labour party" – I favour universal use of a 9mm parabellum

      Let's face it: even if we could rehabilitate 'em we don't fucking want to!

      Do you want a Kiddle Fiddler (or unionist) in your street? in your suburb? in your city? FUCK NO!

  • http://www.catrat07.blogspot.com Cara

    Has it ever occurred to you that name suppression does not only benefit the offender? A lot of the time name suppression is used to protect any children or relatives that may be damaged by revealing the name or to protect victims' identities. Plus it's been proven these people can be rehabilitated and why name and shame people? If you want them to offend again, publically shaming them would probably be a great way to go. I think what you're doing now is just looking at it from the view that what an offender does is obviously bad and they should be punished but there is always a wider picture which you are most likely not privy to. This could include anything from the mental state of any relatives who would also be identified through the perpetrator being identified or the actual victims who may come to attention if the perpetrator's name is identified.
    While I respect that the suppression laws definitely need to be looked at in the presence of the internet and blogging; I think you are going about this in the wrong way. You are not a judge, you are not privy to the information a judge would be when deciding whether or not to grant suppression so you cannot really judge what you are not aware of.

    • Mr Spector

      WHAT DID YOU DO WRONG,when did you get out??????

    • Mr Spector

      WHAT DID YOU DO WRONG,when did you get out??????

    • moondoggy

      Good lord Cara, have you not been following the discussions on this blog?

      All the arguments you provide above have been thoroughly debunked.

    • Angela

      Rehabilitated?! Why should we?! Some crimes and criminals are worth rehabilitating…But not Kiddy-fiddlers. I'm not interested in 'understanding' their sickness…Life is too short.
      And as for protecting this perverts family…HE didn't give a shit about his family…until he was caught.Then the boo-hooing started.

      I agree with another poster…bring back public stocks. Or a warning shot to the back of the head…I'd pull the trigger.

      • Titan-Uranus

        L O L ,Angela, I think I`m in love.

    • Guest

      Cara, not all of us share your presumed belief that the justice system should have rehabilitation as one of its goals. Punishment. warehousing and retribution are sufficient for me. As for the relatives being damaged – so what? Avoidance of shame is a potent motivator in conforming to norms. Relatives and peers have a role (although probably not in this case) in achieving this.

  • http://www.catrat07.blogspot.com Cara
    • becn

      From memory, the ONLY way that someone can get into Kia Marama is if they admit what they did was wrong and want help (perhaps a faulty memory – correct me if I'm wrong). This is not the situation of child abusers seeking name suppression.

      From that link "It is not possible to determine if a specialist programme, such as Kia Marama, has any generalised effect on recidivism or whether the effect is localised to just reducing future sexual offences."

      Yeah – really convincing.

      Name ever convicted of any crime. Highly publicize those convicted of child abuse.

      As for people given trivial lengths of home detention for seeking and distributing pictures of child abuse – the judge should be able to be sued for incompetance

  • http://www.catrat07.blogspot.com Cara

    In fact, New Zealand is well-known for having some of the best rehabilitation programmes in the world. If you would like more evidence I can provide it.

    • kiwidealz

      yeh Rufus Marsh and Graham Burton are great examples……..get real lady…

    • Try2read

      Wow we have the best programmes thats great except tell that to the victims of those who still recommit. In fact that study link was on one control group which still had a rate of 10% which in no way means that it has been that successful once put in fulltime practice.

      Even if we have the low rate of reoffence there is still a high rate of intial offence in NZ therefore that 10% is still a substantial number. Which if you then consider the theory of two degrees of seperation how long is it to this become personal.

      Face the facts as long as reoffence is statistically significant in New Zealand rehabilitation is a liberal dream which can not be justified by the destruction caused by the crime.

      Often these people damage more then one life in the process of a crime therefore how many lifes will liberals sacriface in order to save one criminal being named.

    • Sinner

      Fuck your lefty labourist "evidence"

      WE DONT WANT EVIDENCE. WE WANT KIDDLE FIDDLERS DEAD

      And frankly lefties like you, crim cuddlers, that loser judge, unionsists, greenies and all the rest.

      We don't care about your evidence. We don't want you to change or to "rehabilitiate" yourselves.
      The only rehabilitiation we care about is a shottie to your temple!

  • becn

    weird … what happened to my reply?

  • becn

    OK – trying again.
    Cara

    Kia Marama does good work. BUT it is only available to someone who admits their offending.
    http://www.corrections.govt.nz/about-us/fact-shee…

    Anyone who goes for name suppression is NOT admitting their offending but rather trying to hide it.

    You have not shown me anything which makes me think that a scumbag who abuses children, or collects images of child abuse, can be rehabilitated if they seek name suppression. I strongly suspect that the sub-group who seek name suppression are MORE likely to offend than those who admit their crime.

    Name suppression should be unheard of for a convicted criminal

  • barrie Fowler

    I think it's time District and High Court Judges were elected by the public rather than be appointed by the Government.
    That would allow us to get rid of the judges that have not performed in accordance with the public's expectations of them.

    • Russell M

      Yeah, because that works so well in the US. No politics or monetization of the system going on there. Nope. Held throughout the world as the model of good legal system.

      BTW, are you normally insane?!

      • moondoggy

        Russell, the first part of your reply to Barrie made an interesting point.

        Why spoil it with the "are you normally insane" comment at the end? Because now you look like a tosser.

        • becn

          yup what moondoggy said.

          and I must remember not to do that myself (I do tend to try to finish on something snappy which i later regret)

          • Dex

            What a couple of pussy's, oops better go get a tissue kids!

      • Sinner

        Oh another fucking lefty. Christ. The US criminal justice system does a far better job than NZ.
        you get locked up you stay locked up. Or with any luck gassed. If the cops don't get you first.

        The problems with the US justice system are those caused by lilly-livered lefty democrats: appeals, waiting for years on death row, investigations (and even trials) for cops who are just doing their job of culling society of underirables, crims, laborists, etc. But with The Tea Party and Sarah Palin now rather more popular than the Obamination, all this rubbish should be soon for the scrapheap,

  • http://oswaldbastable.blogspot.com/ oswald Bastable

    Bugger Kia Marama- bring on hanging the bastards.

    Zero reoffending!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AuntieDrea AuntieDrea

    Cara… try telling someone who as been a victim of a crime by someone with over 130 convictions that rehabilition works… my guess is that they would have a differing opinion.

  • http://vulpine-nz.blogspot.com/ Troy

    Don't worry Whaleoil, if you end up in the clink, there are others who can continue the good work :) http://vulpine-nz.blogspot.com/

  • this one

    Don't agree with name suppression for any conviction. Name them all.This justice system is too weak on people with this type of offending. Seems to me if you have any type of "standing' in the community you get name suppression. Makes me very angry

    • Sinner

      Our "justice" system is too week for ALL KINDS of offenders.

      And the cops. If the cops slot the crims, think of the fucking money we save on courts & prison!

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/The_Grizz The_Grizz

    If I am correct given information I have read on the internet (not this blog of course!) The peadophile in question has responsibility for the care and wellbeing of many clients. This involves face to face contact and probably in depth assessment of the client. At times the client will have to lose some dignity for this assessment to occur.

    Now if you could have a choice as to the professional you were to see, would you not want to know that the person you were seeing got off on looking at kids with no clothes on. Some of the clients will be compromised as it is, do they need to be insulted further? Surely they have the right to consult a professional who they know will not look through them in an unprofessional way.

    • Guest

      This guy is no longer able to work in his former occupation, and is unlikely to again. His peers do not, on the whole, buy into this rehabilitation BS.

  • Cara

    "
    Good lord Cara, have you not been following the discussions on this blog?

    All the arguments you provide above have been thoroughly debunked.
    "

    Firstly no I haven't. Reading idiotic right wing blogs is something I only do when I see them mentioned on the news. I would be interested to see anyone debunk the fact that naming a perp often hurts relatives or even victims!

    I agree there is a problem with that in Kia Maarama, what needs to happen is some sort of programme where an offender should not be able to get out unless they attempt and complete the programme, parole boards also need to improve in this respect and more funding needs to go into programmes. Again though naming and shaming those convicted is not going to fix anything. To me it rather reeks of the good old ancient Roman days when dragging someone through the streets after they had been executed was a custom.

    "Cara… try telling someone who as been a victim of a crime by someone with over 130 convictions that rehabilition works… my guess is that they would have a differing opinion about the success of rehabilitation programmes"
    I never said that rehabilitation works for all offenders, obviously some cannot be rehabilitated but there are also many who can be and easy ways of telling where progress is happening and where it is not.

    • Mark

      The problem with people like you is you think that the individual is more important then the community…you're wrong, the community should be more important then any individual

      Unfortunatly too many agree with you and not enough agree with the sentiments shared on this blog

      Its great we'll learn who the useless judges are because nothing moves progresslike self interest…

      • Guest

        "you're wrong, the community should be more important then any individual "

        You have just articulated the central tenet of the fascist state.

        • SInner

          Why is it so hard for your lefties to get into your head that NZ is totally sick of you?

    • Try2read

      Debunk a fact it hurts relatives and victims is a mockery of the use of the word fact. There is plenty of evidence that reads to the contrary that some victims feel it is better for society that the criminal is named. As for hurting relatives of the criminal that is not the concern of the court. Otherwise a criminal with no living relatives could in theory be named and unlike liberals I believe the founding principal that justice is blind means that to take into account relatives of the criminal is petty reasoing.

      If you had bothered to follow previous postings on this site you will also realise that often the best way of protecting the identity of the victim is supressing key facts about the case,

      The reality though is naming is not about shaming the individual but protecting those who have done nothing wrong in our society from further crimes of that individual. That should be our priority not to help the criminal.

    • becn

      Yes Cara. I think we agree. It does resemble the good old days when people were publicly held to account.

      I *do* favour stocks in the town square and public humiliation for some crimes. Theft, Child abuse, Rape, wife *AND* husband beating would come up top of my list

  • pommyjohn

    Re go and catch some real crims,a woman on talkback this morning revealed that she had called the 0800 number for the taxi driver killer.She recognised the person as an Asian student known to her ,after letting the unanswered phone ring for 20 minutes she gave up.Could be a crank but you never know

  • Guest

    The Police are a waste of time as shown by their pursuit of Whale Oil and many other examples. Good on Slater for exposing a corrupt system