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What is this crap?

by Whaleoil on February 6, 2010

A judge has granted permanent name suppression to a prominent Manawatu man who downloaded more than 300,000 pornographic images, many of children.

The man, who was charged with 25 counts of possessing objectionable material and one count of distributing pornographic images on the internet after an FBI investigation led to his arrest last year, was sentenced to four months’ home detention when he appeared for sentencing in Palmerston North District Court yesterday.

So you like watching kiddie porn but the judge suppresses permanently your name because you are prominent? WTF are the judges on.

Many of the images had young naked girls posing in sexualised positions.

Judge Grant Fraser said he granted permanent name suppression to protect the man’s family, his mental state, his wife’s job and his ability to rehabilitate.

“I’ve also accepted without hesitation the public interest and the public being aware of the character of you, and I’ve also taken into account the seriousness of your offending,” Judge Fraser said.

“In this case there is no offending against any individuals within the New Zealand community.

Excellent the Judge has decide that 300,000 images of kiddy porn isn’t serious offending, why? Is it because he has a million pictures himself? He is suppressing his name so that his family won’t have to experience shame, well shame on you Judge Grant Fraser, shame on you.

He has suppressed the name because of his public standing. What public standing? He is a kiddy-porn addict, scum, exploiter of children, that is his public standing, that is what the public is entitled to know. If I knew his name I would out him. I think it is high time we started shaming Judges.

cross posted at shame.co.nz

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  • Titan-Uranus

    Perhaps he was just "researching" a book he was going to write.

    AND, I thought name suppression was to protect the VICTIMS not the perpetrator.
    Dare I suggest the judge and defendant , are probably members of the same<s>pedo ring </s> country club.

  • dave

    I'm sure you're right Paul, but the only real facts & not supposition that we have are;

    He had 300,000 pornographic images
    Potentially 25 or fewer were objectionable
    As few as 2 were kiddie porn

    Yet the screaming headline on this piece says 300,000 kiddie porn images were found, the known facts don't support that.

    • guest

      So two images are ok? Two is less criminal than 20? Afraid not. This person has been dealt with very leniently. There is no witch hunt, and I assume he plead guilty to shut the case up. People in his "occupation" do not go down without fighting if they are innocent.

  • dave

    Indeed I don't guest, and neither do you – and that's my point.

  • Johnboy

    I suggest.

    Interesting Legal Names and Adresses: Grant Fraser.————–

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pauleastbay Pauleastbay

    "Crown prosecutor Ben Vanderkolk said granting name suppression could be seen as protecting a person in a privileged position. ____He also disputed the need to protect the man's children as they were well informed about the offending. ____But Judge Fraser disagreed, citing it as a unique case in which the man had already suffered from his actions. ____The man had just reached the pinnacle of his career last year when his house was searched by police. ____While the man was studying for his specialist qualification he was put under immense pressure. ____The stress dragged up issues stemming from being abused as a child and led to an addiction to pornography. ____" FUCK OFF I would have hoped his wife has kicked him for touch, we're talking 300,000 images,Jesus Christ, Thats not a passing flirtation thats a dedicated kiddy fiddler. I'm under immense pressure every bloody day but I don't relax by exploiting children. This is a major fuck up by this judge, one would hope the Crown appeals it. The judge is just a fucking lair if he thinks its not protecting a priviledged position

  • Jay

    "Judge Grant Fraser said he granted per­ma­nent name sup­pres­sion to pro­tect the man’s fam­ily, his men­tal state, his wife’s job and his abil­ity to rehabilitate." … Doesn't appear to be because of his standing in the community does it.

    I think the guy needs serious help (home detention.. WTF is that about for this crime??).

    • PaedoGeddon

      The only way to "rehabilitate" a kiddy-fiddler is with a 9mm parabellum…

  • guest

    Hmmm……. "While the man was studying for his specialist qualification he was put under immense pressure." a doctor perhaps? In which case his conviction will be advised to the medical council.

  • Titan-Uranus

    HTML tags don`t work here?

    • Hagues

      looks like you are missing a space after 'same' to start the tag?

  • Yvette

    300,000 images at perhaps 1 minute each to select, download, and file/save amounts to 5,000 hours. Non-stop daily sessions of 8 hours each would amount to 625 days, or 1 year plus the next through to October 1

  • injusticSystem

    Is there any way to disclose his name outside of NZ jurisdiction, something like a web forum registered and hosted outside of NZ? is that still illegal?

  • Red

    My guess is he is a lawyer, as is the Judge.

  • http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/ Inventory2

    This is a dreadful decision by Judge Fraser. Perhaps the Manawatu Standard should test it in court by appealing it.

    • Sinner

      Or just have guts like whale – publish the name, address, and picture

      then we'll have some real citizens justice at last!

      Remember Yvette Cloete!

  • Joshua

    Just another fuckn Geoffrey Leonard, this time in New Zealand. Bullets for both of them.

  • Mascot

    Well, it says 300,000 pornographic images. Some of children.

    The adult pornography he has should be irrelevant. If the news want to comment they should tell us the number of illegal images.

    • Paedogeddon

      If the news wants to comment: name, address, picture is all we want and all we need.

  • Grant

    The same Judge Grant Fraser that was convicted of careless driving causing injury – the victim sought $18,000 reparation and ended up getting $1800.

  • Shadow

    disgusting decision – the legal system in this country is abysmal: corrupt permanent name suppression decisions and lenient sentencing.

    • Sinner

      paedos don't need punishment: they need gunishment

  • becn

    if it takes you a minute to download an image then you need a better ISP.

    Name suppression after a conviction should be EXTREMLY rare. And never EVER to protect the guilty.

    Jeese – we use that phrase as a joke "names changed to protect the guilty" – it is very sad to see this actually occurs

  • Steam Special

    We need to expose this sick dick

  • http://www.nightcitytrader.blogspot.com Elijah Lineberry

    A rather ghastly business; I wonder if it is Maharey? he is about the only ‘prominent’ Palmy North chap with the level of clout for permanent name supression.

  • FuckYouWelch

    "Cameron Slater is not the right person – Whaleoil is less a blog than a bog"

    FUCK YOU DENNIS WELCH. JUST ANOTHER PAEDO-ENABLER

    gunishment for paedos – gunishment for those who support them.

    • Mark

      Any proof?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pauleastbay Pauleastbay

      Google this name ,hes all over it

      • Mark

        Any particular web site?

  • Jay

    Dave, I get what you're saying and agree with you. I think this guy sounds like he got off way too lightly… but the point is we dont know the facts. We are just assuming based on tidbits of information taken out of context, we might be right that the guys evil as hell.. but he also might just be an ordinary guy with a porn addiction, doesnt make him a kiddy fiddler. He's obviously guilty, but sentencing takes into account the facts of the case, not simply on the charge.

    Also the name suppression wasnt granted to protect him, it was granted to protect his innocent family. Whether thats appropriate or not should be the point of the discussion.

  • Kevin

    home detention so he can sit in fron of a computer 24/7 to ease his stress? ffs what a clownish legal decision

  • http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/ Inventory2

    Why do judges bother with name supression anyway? The internet has rendered it as completely ineffective.

  • Steam Special

    another sick dick exposed well done the net

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pauleastbay Pauleastbay

    Theres a NZ Dr. that appears on first page

  • Dex

    Have trademe forums migrated here? my god what a bunch of uneducated morons.

    Horrible decision though, even given the simpleton mafia's raving.

    • http://www.cadlow.co.nz Spanish Bride

      WO has to got to court to defend putting up some images that some people may or may not have been able to interpret into a name that was not even the legal name of a person with name supression…… YET they were freely discussing the ACTUAL name over on Trademe yet they decide to charge WO.
      They should go back to Trademe where they can safely and blantantly break supression orders. Over here they are not safe as the powers at b have decided to make an example of this particular blogger.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pauleastbay Pauleastbay

    A Massey University student who accidentally shot a friend while out hunting possums has escaped conviction in what a judge called a unique and unprecedented case.
    Judge Grant Fraser also prohibited publication of the student's name when he appeared before him in Palmerston North District Court on Friday……
    He added that publication of the defendant's name would hamper his ability to "move forward" and would impact on his rehabilitation..

    Judge Fraser's your man if you want to move forward and get with the rehabilitating!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • dave

    Jeez you guys go from 0-hysterical in under 2 seconds.

    300,00 images total – no indication of the number of illegal images, could be as few as 2 now couldn't it?
    From a tech PoV, the chances of each image being d/led individually, mmm, nil – so more likely that they were Zip/Rar etc, archives. So, potentially the convicted wouldn't even know that he was getting kiddie pr0n.

    However, as the guy was convicted I assume that he would have opened the files and looked at the contents, still possible that he was unaware that there were any illegal images there. This is where the law gets a bit sticky, as it's an offence to possess such images, even if you don't know that you have them

    That being said, the name suppresion after conviction is a disgrace.

  • kehua

    Gotta be a white guy !!!!!!!!

    • guest

      thanks for your racist insight. I take it you mean non-whites act out their sexual perversions like the guy that killed carla cardno

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pauleastbay Pauleastbay

    Dave' read the article, there were 25 charges of possessing, how many images, not known, the bad charge was one of distrbuting child porn i.e sharing it with other like minded sick bastards, so he knew what he was doing………. the laws not sticky mate…………………………..

  • dave

    Paul;

    "25 counts of pos­sess­ing objec­tion­able mate­r­ial and one count of dis­trib­ut­ing porno­graphic images"
    no mention of kiddie porn there, could be many other things, W/S porn is illegal in NZ, bestiality also.

    "Many of the images had young naked girls pos­ing in sex­u­alised positions."
    Again, no mention of them being under the age of consent – I'd describe a 16yo as young myself, but then I'm an old git.

    In addition if you, say, torrented a file, you'd in effect be distributing it before you received (and opened) the file, and it's quite possible that you'd still be distributing it after you'd fully received it and still not even looked at it.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pauleastbay Pauleastbay

      Dave, objectionable material in New Zealand, is, kids, urination etc,, if you read the papers, most child porn possessors have been getting fines for a few images,, this guy, get Home D which is a step up.

      Also if the FBI were the reason he came to attention and not because he was getting his computer fixed like most of the retards, it means he was in the chat rooms, that specialise in this shit. Evidently the kiddie porn rooms are not something you just " find', its invite only,..

      .. There was nothing accidental about this guy, forget the tech worries and concentrate on the judgement it is awful. For the judge ( no capitals) to say, no one in new Zealand was affected is just disgusting, thats what this is about.

      The ex- cop in Rotorua got named last week, This guy will most probably be a Doctor, seeing as his professional body has supended him. Now that is abhorrent becuase unless, he spends his day writing papers, he will have contact with the public.

  • dave

    BTW, from what I’ve read on various news sites, the charge doesn’t mention distributing child porn.

    My point is that from few verifiable facts, posters here have sprinted to the “burn the witch” position.
    Plus the fact that from a technical PoV the law can indeed be an ass.

    I’m just waiting for the accusation that I obviously support child abuse to surface.

    • guest

      you don't know what you are talking about here dave. I was involved in a case like this wth a pervert colleague and child porn. the cops won't charge unless their case is watertight. this is no accidental clicking on goatse scenario

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pauleastbay Pauleastbay

      Thats easy Dave, we can accuse you of anything you want us to, but its very really the law is the ass, its the humans in the chain that make it so.

      Give up on this one and believe this guy has images of children, don't worry about how its reported, the judge is a goose but he wont have given this guy Home D for a few " pink" pictures of a 18 year od

    • guest

      Read the article Dave:

      "He had also begun therapy to treat his paraphilia."

      You don't have treatment for porn addiction Davey boy – sounds like he has accepted the accusations more than you have. There is no compulsory treatment in NZ in this context. BTW aren't you the guy who defended the "entertainer" with name suppression?

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Whaleoil Whaleoil

      You dick he has been convicted. END. OF.

  • guest

    all the more reason to have justice public, not behind a screen of name suppression

  • http://www.cadlow.co.nz Spanish Bride

    Found this on the Trademe message board, thought I would share it with WO's readers.
    #

    Name suppression is given out far too freely nowadays unlike when I was growing up and being named was part of the consequence you paid for breaking the law. It served as a great deterrent to young people as well, because we all had a healthy fear of trouble with the law affecting our future prospects in terms of travel and employment.

    Nowadays we bend over backwards to shield offenders from bearing the full weight of consequences for their actions. As for the judge's excuse about rehabilitation that's bollocks. Genuine rehabiliation is all about accepting responsibility for what you've done and earning people's trust back. When people don't know what you've done you don't feel the same need to prove yourself to the community again, so in actual fact name suppression is hindering true rehabilitation.

    * Quote

    moviebuff1 (169 ) 11:30 pm, Sat 6 Feb #8

  • Blair

    I don't agree with the name suppression and I don't support being an accessory to child abuse. But to me it seems very likely that this guy downloaded so much porn that the sheer volume guaranteed he might have grabbed the odd illegal photo. It may even have been possible that he downloaded it, looked at the 25 images, went *ugh* and deleted them immediately. That still counts as possession under the law and is still an offence. So frankly, I am going to trust the judge on this one, since we don't know all the facts. Though yes, we should have the right to know the man's name.

  • Angry Mum

    The Judge said "In this case there is no offending against any individual within the New Zealand community" -
    Oh good on you Judge Fraser!!!!!! Just because it didn't involve NZ children thats ok???? And so it goes on. My God!!!!! Please do what you can to out this guys name!!!!!!

    • Hagues

      Yes out this guy. I'm interest in finding out his interesting name…

  • John Ansell

    Time to publish the full sentencing records of all judges, so we can see where the biases lie, who's tough, who's soft and who the judicial activists are.

    Being a celeb is like being a big bank – you'll always get bailed out.

    Not fair.

  • Noel

    You can't even get simple facts straight, even when you quote them. Just give up you misguided nutter.

  • madcow

    The problem here is that if this person is such a sicko then he is probably going to put himself in a position of trust with having contact with children on a regular basis. They may be sicko's but the are usually pretty clever as well.

    Now unless Judge Fraser can be 100% confident that this is not, or has never been the case, then why on God's earth would this sicko's name be suppressed?

  • bastrdx

    well he must have been an avid surfer and visited some dodgy sites to come under the FBI radar as it was them that outed him to the police in the first place wonder if his name is on their site
    it seems if you are "of the right breeding" you can get away with murder and not have your name released
    and name suppression to help rehabilitation bolox

  • Tom

    He is an arrogant prick and deserves a far harsher sentence. He carried a memory stick around his neck at all times with his favourite images on it. At least most people at mid central health know who he is.

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pauleastbay Pauleastbay

      But according to the' tolerant ' that have been posting here he might thave accidentally saved the images to the memory stick, and then the cops have just "picked" on him.

      One hopes the disiplinary authority will name him,all his peers will know already as most do in the Manawatu

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/AuntieDrea AuntieDrea

    Hmmmm Denny's for dinner