Repulsion Camel obfuscates

Replusion Camel put up a post at Red A-blert. As usual she misses the point. She must have been having one of her Pasifika days today because she missed the connection Todd  McCLay was making about welfare-ism and child abuse.

Todd went down the wrong path when he disrespectfully brought Nia Glassie in to the debate.  He went in to a rant abour how she was surrounded by people on benefits and therefore (in his mind) this led to her murder.

This was not only bad taste but it was offensive.  Not only is the Govt trying to stigmatise beneficiaries as lazy; dole bludgers, ripping off the system BUT NOW they are adding – child abusers and even child murderers – to the stigma.

I personally take great offence to this inference.

Instead of taking offence she should have used the gate, but being one who is easily offended she had to squeal. To show how egregious wrong she was, here is the part of Hansard she is referring to.

I want to conclude by giving members an example of what *long-term welfare dependency does to New Zealand families. I want members to think back for a moment to a few years ago and to the horrific murder of young *Nia Glassie in Rotorua. Her entire family and all of the people there were on benefits.

Hon Parekura Horomia: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker—[Interruption].

ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker): The House will be silent. I have a point of order from the Hon Parekura Horomia.

Hon Parekura Horomia: The member is going well out of the brief of this discussion. He is making a mockery of what has happened in the past.

The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker): I know what members are alluding to, but it is a debating point. It is not a point of order.

TODD McCLAY: I am not making a mockery of anybody—

Hon Dr Nick Smith: I raise a point of order, Mr Speaker. I am but 2 metres from the speaker, and I cannot hear a word of what he is saying because of the barracking and screeching that is coming from the other side of the House. I think if we are to have—

The ASSISTANT SPEAKER (Hon Rick Barker): This has been a robust debate. I have to say that I can hear Mr Todd McClay quite clearly from here. I have been able to hear other people. The member’s own party has been engaged in a substantial amount of barracking across the House. I think it is about even. I say to members that the point has been made.

TODD McCLAY: I pay great tribute to the young Nia Glassie, and I have little or no regard for the people who murdered her. But I say to members that if we look at that family and those around them, there was long-term welfare dependency. The people who murdered her were on benefits and did not have jobs. Largely, the long-term welfare dependency that was promoted by the previous Government in New Zealand did nothing to help that family. This Government will stand up and fight for those people. Thank you.

We have become much too fond of making excuses in this country, of abrogating responsibility when it is clear where the responsibility lies and to ignore plain facts that are before us. The simple truth is obvious too hard for Repulsion Camel to understand.

It is a fact that the caregivers of Nia Glassie were on benefits, it is a fact that they bashed and tortured her to death, we know this because they are in jail for their crimes. It is also a fact that the Kahui twins were abused and killed by persons unknown, but that their family were also all on benefits. In fact tkae a look at the child killings and bashings that have been before the courts for the last 3 years. You will find a few things in common.

  • Their caregivers were on welfare
  • They were mostly Maori

As I have said before, people have to own their own shit. The facts are staring us in the face. It seems that Repulsion Camel doesn’t like plain speaking. i prefer the words of Todd McClay than those of a pretend pasifika/westie/naki girl.

If the cap fits wear it. in order to reduce child abuse and child murders we need to speak plainly and honestly. How come when Todd McCaly peaks about poverty and child abuse she rants and raves and forgets that she too has made similar comments.

Life in even a full-benefit household is not luxury for children. A child in poverty starts life poorly, unless the parent(s) is/ are as life-skilled as Ms Bennett herself was or Mr Key’s mother was. For such children there is no “dream” – more often a nightmare. A child who starts off poorly is likely to do poorly in later life.

Pot, Kettle, Black Repulsion Camel.

  • thor42

    Todd McClay is spot-on in what he said.
    He spoke the truth – no more, no less.

    The truth hurts, but until the underclass ACCEPTS the “painful truth” and acts upon it, then nothing will change.

    Labour, of course, will have no solutions whatsoever. Their “solution” would consist of keeping people in the same situation that they are in now.

  • heinrichhimmler

    You arrogant condescending fuck … and do you ever take a look at the hate and invective that you ‘pepper’ your “blog” (more like a long drop needs emptying) with … you appeal to a moneyed person – with resource .. what would you fucking know with your tight little white ass.

    Dont bullshit me or anyone else with your late-in-the-piece i’m a caring kinda guy routine. its a truckload of bullshit … just like you. Would i recommend a young kid to read your blog and all the shit thats posted … answer … no fucking way. “people have to own their own shit…” fuck you – what have you ever had to own…

    You arent any example of anything worth taking any note of.

  • harpoon

    Re ‘repulsion camel’ … I can do anagrams too. how about these:

    Scarlet Moaner
    Rectal Enamors
    Rectal Moaners
    Scrotal Rename
    A Clear Monster

  • harpoon

    By the way, Cam, your argument falls over at the first hurdle. You fail to suggest how it is that you think being on a benefit causes beneficiaries to commit violent crime. Please think a bit more.

  • jimmie

    harpoon

    Your answer is the old saying – The devil finds work for idle hands – In Nia Glassie’s case unfortunately the work involved included a washing machine and clothes dryer.

    The reason why beneficiaries are more prone to abuse than other groups is simple……why are they bene’s in the first place? (This doesn’t include people who were working and have been made redundant etc.)

    1 They can’t find work
    2 They don’t want to work
    3 They are unemployable
    4 They find the bene’s lifestyle very comfortable

    Now when you take people with an attitude like this and give them kids and alcohol and weed, and somehow you think that they are going to turn out wonderful parents who pack a lunch for their kids every day as they send them off to school?
    Get real a lazy attitude towards life and work equals a lazy attitude towards rearing kids.
    Mix in alcohol and Sunday domestics due to the $$$ running out the night before and you have a recipe for abuse to occur……….also add in to the mix deadbeat male rellies in the same situation and you can factor in more sexual abuse.

  • inventory2

    Harpoon – McClay didn’t say that the Curtis brothers murdered Nia Glassie BECAUSE they were beneficiaries. He merely stated two facts:

    * Michael and Wiremu Curtis were unemployed,and on benefits and
    * Michael and Wiremu Curtis murdered Nia Glassie

    It is Carmel Sepuloni who has tried to make political capital of this.

  • giblet

    Similar Poltical correctness Vs. Common Sense debate about Bailey Kurariki here:
    http://www.voxy.co.nz/national/bailey-kurariki039s-story-yet-be-told/5/43501#comment-11225