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The E.T.S. revolt is building

by Whaleoil on May 18, 2010

The members are revolting. I know that is how Nick Smith sees them, but unlike other political parties in  New Zealand the pollies ignore their members at their peril in the National party.

The members are incensed. Just last weekend at the CNI conference a remit was passed unanimously to defer the ETS. The remit was passed in committee so that is why it took a while to leak out. Nick Smith spent Sunday vigorously trying to defuse the ticking time-bomb of the members. It isn’t working.

No Minister has released details of two remits proposed for the Northern Regional Conference in two weeks.

REMIT 2 : MANUREWA

That the National Party give urgent consideration to the deferment of the E.T.S.

Accepted subject to requirement that Manurewa work with Tamaki (Remit 5) on a joint proposal.

REMIT 5 : TAMAKI

That the Emissions Trading and the Carbon Credit Tax Schemes be delayed, until the money trail and the proposed benefits are clearly identified.

Accepted subject to requirement that Tamaki work with Manurewa (Remit 2 )on a joint proposal.

The Members aren’t happy Nick and John. They are in fact revolting. Best you deal with it. With CNI and Northern backing such remits, there is every chance that the parliamentary wing may well have policy foisted on them by the party, and they won’t like that. This sort of thing always happens when the parliamentary wing gets too big for their boots. This is why the party needs a President that stands up to caucus rather than bends over and presents his rear-end.

In the National Party the caucus ignores the party at its peril. Any board candidate that proposes dealing to caucus will be a strong contender.

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  • johnboscawen

    I am not surprised at all.

    I have done close to 20 public meetings in the last month and there is widespread criticism of National’s decision to proceed with the ETS Tax. A number of people have told me they have already resigned their membership because of the ETS, and many times more have said they intend to if the ETS comes in force on July 1st.

    If National had any doubt about proceeding one would have thought Kevin Rudd’s decision to abandon Australia’s ETS until at least 2013 three weeks ago would have sealed it, but no National seems to want to continue.

    At one of my more recent meetings a fortnight ago in Tamaki I was told about the Tamaki remit to repeal/delay the ETS. I am told the vote at the Tamaki AGM was unanimous.

    Why should we put an additional tax on all our citizens to pay a billion dollars worth of subsidies to those who planted trees in the 1990s with no expectation of receving back dated taxpayer support.

    Why put a tax on our exporters to make them less competitive?

    When it will do absolutely nothing for the climate, and the PM’s chief scientific advisor, Sir Peter Gluckman wrote last August it was purely symbolic and political?

    When the rest of the world is unwinding their climate taxes?

    I have a furthur three meetings in Southland next Monday. Gore, Winton and Invercargill. I will look forward to finding out Bill English’s farming constituents think of the ETS.

  • peterwn

    Trouble is, Labour would be the beneficiary of any serious rift. The issues are:
    1. Have Nick and John got the ‘numbers’ on this one.
    2. Whether it is such overarching importance to a sufficient number of the ‘faithful’ that they would prefer to see a Labour government rather than ETS.
    3. Is a ‘single issue’ board member likely to be acting in the best overall interests of the party?

    In the days when ‘remits’ were the main grassroots policy mechanism (instead of the present policy advisory structure) all sorts of remits were passed which never saw the light of day in legislation and this was accepted in the greater interests of promoting good government.

  • inventory2

    Our dissatisfaction with the handling of the ETS is such that we are going to JOIN the National Party tomorrow. We’ve sat on the sidelines for too long; it’s time to lobby for change from within.

    http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2010/05/desperate-times.html

  • axeman

    It is not looking likely that they will change their minds. In the last SST John Ansell (Q14) asked Key “…why are you driving up NZers’ power and petrol prices with an emissions trading scheme, when Australia and all other countries have deferred their climate taxes because so much of the scince is fraudulent?”
    Key replied “I believe human-induced climate change is happening.”

    Interestingly on April 15 Ansell wrote this on his blog .”Take John Key. He knows global warming is a hoax – he’s said so. But perception being reality, he’s happy to act as though it’s real because that’s what he thinks the voters will vote for. But the new perception that the science is shonky is going to give him and the rest of the world’s politicians a problem.”

  • andretti

    I guess one way to fight this is like inventory2 says.However National needs a strong coalition partner and i would suggest that ACT polling at 1-2% is rather hopeless.What they need is money to fight the next election with to get a credible vote.
    I for one will be donating.

  • steve

    I live in your Electorate Mr Key. I say no to ETS as does almost all of the Helensville Electorate. You represent us in Government, so you will say no to ETS right? If not, you may not get my vote next Election, and you may not get many votes.
    Stop the bullshit Mr Key, we want you to get rid of the ETS

  • cactuskate1

    My faith in National Party members may be restoring itself.

    Rage hard Tory’s and take the pink out of Nick’s face for good.

  • kehua

    Kia ora Steve, I also reside in JohnBoys Electorate and I am buggered to know why he is hellbent on introducing this blatant bullshit. He is insulting me and all other thinking Kiwis. Why he is not seeing through Nick Smith is beyond comprehension.

  • megashitstirrer

    People, people, have you not realized what is going on yet?

    John Key and Nick Smith are both new world order members and as such they are both duty bound to keep the ETS charade going to look after out best interests, at least until the US currency collapses, then it doesnt matter anyway.

    Why do you think both Key and Smith went to Copenhagen and Key has been so chummy with Obama? Its all go soon and even Helen Klark is in on it. Husband Peter cant be there because he has an unhealthy aversion to youth and a passport issue but he does what he can for us from home.

    At some point the world will reach out for a global financial solution to its debt deleveraging and NZ will be sitting pretty as one of the few disciple countries that bowed and scraped to the pooh bahs in the grand global counsel. I believe Soros and Goracle are level pegging for the top job to manage the trillions from carbon trading.

    It all might sound far fetched but who would have thought John Key would have been so dumb thus far?

  • grizz

    The simplist thing to do would be to defer it. If the rest of the world decide to go with it, it could be reimplimented.

  • Jack

    The E.T.S. IS REVOLTING.

  • Jack

    Gidday

    megashit­stir­rer, don’t you realise that the one world government lackies have been running this country since 1975?

  • megashitstirrer

    Jack

    Fuck, its worse than I thought then.

  • whalewatcher

    Ah, Megashitstirrer, I see you refer to the same Hawaiian incident involving US Police, ex-PM’s ‘husbands’ and public toilets that I have previously aluded to. I can only allege – I wish someone with first-hand knowledge would contact the Whale’s tip line. Cos this one aint going away

  • pwebb

    Will there also be a remit decrying the insane suggestion that the Earth orbits the sun?

    Another unproven charade that the world Government is trying to foist on us.

  • lordmontrose

    joes
    One of the signatories from the group from the National Academy of Sciences “— the cream of the crop” as you put it, is Anne Salmond of Auckland University’s Department of Maori Studies

    Research Interests Maori society; indigenous cultures and lives – not climate, and not even basic physics.

    She has a PhD from Pennsylvania State University, where Michael Hockystick Mann hangs out. Penn is the world Center for training climate alarmists for distribution around the world.

  • megashitstirrer

    Whalewatcher

    Between you and me, I would checkout http://www.greghallet.com/ then read through the chapters “Blackmailers Guide to NZ”. Its an eye popping piece of horror shite even if only half of it is fact.

  • gaskranken

    the greg hallet link doesn’t load mega.

  • megashitstirrer
  • maic

    It’s good to see that the peasants and workers are revolting at last over this ETS scam. I am somewhat puzzled by the writer who plans to join the National Party. If he/she expects the Party bosses to listen to sweet reason on this matter I think he or she will be disappointed. Many of us who are centralist or conservative voters have tried the reasoned argument approach – and got nowhere. Usually not even an acknowledgement of message received. However I did get a prompt response from my local MP when I informed him that the National Party would get no more voting or financial support from me.

    I commend the ACT Party for its efforts in combatting this ETS scam. I believe that it deserves more voting support than it’s been getting. However there is a question in my mind that some of its other policies might be putting people off from abandoning National and supporting ACT. That’s the trouble isn’t it – at Election time the political parties want you to accept the whole package – good and dumb ideas together. Adopting the Swiss voting system would go some way to solving this dilemma. (Under certain conditions citizens can veto legislation and carry out binding referenda.)