About Chris Carter and his illness

If we needed confirmation that Clark is behind the Chris Carter troubles then look no further than Brian Edwards and his post about Chris Carter. I am now becoming incensed at the behaviour surrounding Chris Carter and the Labour party. They are making excuses for someones behaviour based on the alleged mental state of someone. This is demeaning and derogatory towards those of us who do actually suffer from mental health issues, have never hidden it and never asked for anyone to give us a break, understand us or cut us some slack. My point of view is that I am who I am, I do what I do, there are no excuses, I own my own bullshit and Chris Carter needs to start owning his as well rather than having Helen Clark’s hagiographer start running spin.

Imagine this. You’re a public figure. An accusation has been made against you, not of any criminal act, not even of breaching any rule, but of displaying an attitude of entitlement to the perks of office. Others have been as guilty as you, some more guilty. But the world seems largely uninterested in them. Its focus is almost entirely on you.

Imagine that for months you are vilified daily in the press, on radio, on television, on the Internet, to your face, behind your back.  Imagine that this relentless attack goes beyond what you have done to what you are said to be –  a person without integrity, without conscience, egotistical, narcissistic, a sponger on the public purse, a waste of space. Imagine being branded ‘worthless’.

Imagine not being able to open a newspaper, listen to radio, watch television, surf the Net without finding this judgement of your character somewhere expressed. Imagine it happening every hour of every day for months.

Well Brian, I have that exact same issue. But instead of hiding behind excuses I man up and take the lumps on the chin. I don’t run off to my mentor’s hagiographer to get them to run posts for me. Brian Edwards thinks I am “vile”, they are his own words. Yet using his post as a crutch I could ask and beg for forgiveness because I suffer from depression. I won’t of course because that is pathetic, and that is where Chris Carter, Helen Clark, Brian Edwards and anyone else running the poor Chris, he’s sick bullshit.

Imagine being chased down corridors by people with microphones and cameras. Imagine them camped day and night outside your home, their spotlights trained on your doors and windows. Imagine them following you everywhere you go.   Imagine them calling out:  Answer! Explain!  Apologise!

Imagine that when you do apologise, do try to explain, it is still not enough. You must apologise again. You must be publicly humiliated. You must not be left with a vestige of self-worth.

And when all of this has finally been achieved,  imagine how normal, how rational, how entirely sane, how capable of coping, even of going on, you might be.

Imagine? Good god almighty, anyone would think that Brian Edwards was writing a song, except that John Lennon already did that theme. What I’d like to imagine, but is unlikely to ever happen in this excuse making liberal, pinko world of unreality is for people to own their actions. Imagine that.

I don’t know Chris  Carter’s state of health, but I imagine he is unwell. I imagine he has been unwell for some time. And I imagine that his ‘unwellness’ may explain his recent irrational and self-destructive behaviour.

As he emerged from his meeting with the Te Atatu LEC, Labour Party President Andrew Little said he had been asked to deal ‘compassionately’ with Chris Carter. I thought the word appropriate.

It seems to me that if Carter has indeed been found guilty of displaying an attitude of entitlement to the perks of office and, now, of disloyalty to his party and leader, natural justice would at least require that he be credited with ‘time spent’ in the purgatory which must have been his recent life.

Before deciding his fate the Labour Party Council and Party Leader Phil Goff should imagine how it might feel to have everything you have done, worked for, achieved, reduced to nothing. They might then show compassion and generosity, by giving their long-serving MP time to heal, perhaps even to return, albeit under notice, to the party fold. How they deal with this matter will ultimately reflect as much on them as it does on him.

This is all bullshit. It doesn’t matter to Brian Edwards about my mental state, and nor should when he calls me “vile”. It doesn’t matter to the nasty c*nts that send me emails anonymously telling me to get a job, or to the anonymous bloggers of the Standard who abuse me as well, nor would I want it to. I don’t want anyone’s sympathy and I am not making excuses. I would, however, like Chris Carter to man up and accept that his behaviour is unacceptable, that his attitude and sense of entitlement requires an apology and I would like liberal hand-wringer f*ckwits like Brian Edwards to actually stop making excuses for people. That will be a hell of lot more healthy for Chris Carter than excuse making.

The excuse making has even passed through the beltway to right wing bloggers who are also making excuses that Chris Carter is sick, and that National are giving him a free pass because of his illness. National it seems are also buying into this, though it never stopped some in National giving me a right good kicking. Again I am not looking for justification, I am just saying this excuse making is utter  bullshit. Depression isn’t something you catch, or suddenly contract. To suggest as much now for Chris Carter belittles those of us who have to suffer through it on a daily basis, zoned out on prescribed drugs, and medical solutions that poison you slowly and give you no life at all. Chris Carter’s carry on and the subsequent excuses make me very angry indeed. Tossers like Brian Edwards who think that it is ok to cut Carter some slack but at the same time attack freely other people  who suffer mental illness shows just how truly evil the left is.

Depression is. I should know, I live with it everyday. Some days a good, others are truly terrible, but it never justifies or should allow me to excuse my actions. That is taking the soft option, and I don’t do soft options. Brian Edwards is basically an enabler of aberrant behaviour and he does so at the behest of his client Helen Clark and her pal Chris Carter. This is of course all being done to get Phil Goff. To do it though off the back of alleged mental illness shows again just how much leftists really care. They simply don’t. Everything is a means to an ends to them and they sicken me with their behaviour.

Excuse making will never help a person suffering depression, support and friendship does. One thing having severe depression for 6 years has taught me is that you can count your actual friends on one hand. Those friends don’t give you “there, theres” or “it’ll be alrights”, or even “HTFU’s”, like depression they just are…friends. I know who mine are, I suggest Chris Carter starts finding out who his truly are, because it sure as hell won’t be who he thinks they are.

I’ve never asked for a break, a free-ride, or slack or anything else. I don’t make excuses, I am who I am, and I am what I do. It is time for some in politics to do the same. Sorry for the ramble but unless you have actually lived through, or live the with the nightmare that is depression you can’t possibly understand, and if you do understand you will know that what Chris Carter, labour and all their enablers is doing makes me very angry indeed, and that an angry Whale is not good for his opposition no matter what team they bat for.

  • toaster

    Good on you Whale, well said

  • marybelle

    What a spin doctor Brian Edwards is. Chris Carter is NOT mentally sick but he is displaying narcissistic behaviour – it is all about me so feel sorry for me. With his “Imagine Chris Carter” rendition, Brian Edwards is encouraging this behaviour. Chris Carter imagines that everyone loves him and loves what he stands for and what he says. He is finding out now that the reality is very different. Chris Carter is a grown up adult – a member of parliament, but he displays the behaviour of a child who can’t get their own way, so all the toys get thrown out of the cot in a hissy-fit. Those who have labelled Chris Carter’s behaviour as a mental illness or depression are doing this because they want sympathy for Chris Carter – not criticism. It is a red herring. Chris Carter is his own worst enemy. What will he do now for two months courtesy of the taxpayer? Chris Carter should resign from parliament and slip quietly away into the sunset………………and maybe to catch up with his best mate Helen in the Big Apple.

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  • abjv

    What I have seen on TV from Carter does not match my understanding of depression. I also don’t recall Carter using that word. It has come from the Labour misinformation machine; all those trying to divert attention away and beLittle (bad pun) the crticism of Goff and his performance.

    Even with depression, this does not prevent someone saying something and getting it right. Labour would have been better to run with the ‘I don’t like the way I was treated over travel troughing and here comes the payback’ approach, and represented the whole thing as a bitter, vindictive person having a spat because they refuse to recognise their sense of entitlement is no longer compatible with political reality.

    What the poor member for Te Atatu is suffering from is (i) an unrealistic perception of his own importance, (ii) an awful lot of stress bought on by no-body following him over the parapet, and (iii) the need to poke himself into a time bubble for a few weeks in the hopes a coup does occur. By trying to blame a mental illness, Labour inadvertantly opened up the ‘time bubble’ option and Carter’s taken it.

    Nothing to do with depression necessarily, a major insult to those that suffer from it, everything instead to do with timing.

    It defers the day of reckoning when he gets booted out of the party. If there is a coup between now and then, he is proved right, the reason to eject him from the party collapses, he is censured for method (rather than content), he gets back into caucus, he keeps the Te Atatu nomination. Also, if there isn’t a coup, the issue about Goff’s performance can simmer on, and burst back into life in about 8 weeks time. Politically, a lot can happen in 8 weeks. Just ask Kevin Rudd.

    Carter’s problem is that the Labour caucus didn’t follow him in the attempt to oust Goff, primarly because no-one wants their own political career to terminate shortly after the next election. Nobody wants the best that Labour can do, which is some coalition of Labour, Greens, NZ First etc etc. Nobody wants someone else to become a hero by salvaging the election, thereby cementing that someone else as leader. In particular, I suspect that Mr Little definitely does not want this.

    Carter been offered a bolthole for 8 weeks – probably inadvertantly (or was it?) – and he’s taken it. It would have been in Goff’s interests to have sent Carter to independant oblivion last weekend.

  • abjv

    >They might then show com­pas­sion and gen­eros­ity, by giv­ing their long-serving MP time to heal, per­haps even to return, albeit under notice, to the party fold

    That’s the guts of it. Someone outside caucus cannot vote on the leadership. By getting himself outside Caucus, Carter has reduced the anti-Phil vote by 1. That’s why the letters were anonymous – you need to still be in caucus to vote. The anti-Phil camp need to get this ejection reversed. But is this Edwards drivel the best they can come up with?

    Time bubble, 8 weeks, a lot can happen.

  • cabbage

    Depres­sion is. I should know, I live with it every­day. Some days a good, oth­ers are truly ter­ri­ble, but it never jus­ti­fies or should allow me to excuse my actions. That is tak­ing the soft option, and I don’t do soft options. Brian Edwards is basi­cally an enabler of aber­rant behav­iour and he does so at the behest of his client Helen Clark and her pal Chris Carter. This is of course all being done to get Phil Goff. To do it though off the back of alleged men­tal ill­ness shows again just how much left­ists really care. They sim­ply don’t. Every­thing is a means to an ends to them and they sicken me with their behaviour.

    1000% agree with you whale. One of the key things i learnt when learning to deal with my bipolar was to never use it as an excuse for my actions. Doing so simply perverts my path to stability and wellness.

    In this respect (much like you, i suspect) BE playing the depression card and then playing off the back of it absolutely disgusts me. This, from key figures in a political spectrum that pleas to represent ‘the people’ is abhorrent in the extreme.

    IF carter is indeed unwell to the point where he cannot effectively do what he was elected to do, then he needs to resign and step back from public life. What he dosent need (and more to the point: What those who are genuinely ill don’t need) Is his own party pontificating and speculating on his wellness.

    This whole affair has made me think even less of Labour. I didnt think that was possible.

  • positan

    In the ’60s, Edwards was esteemed for his political interviews – but his spin-doctored essay on Carter is spurious and unrealistic, almost deranged. In the face of so much open evidence to the contrary, it corrupts facts. Such writing shows Edwards to be a political prostitute, who misrepresents and seeks to twist established facts – solely for the uninformed consumption and presumed gratification of the dedicatedly thick.

    If any shred of credibility remained since his former days, he’s blown it now for all time. Who’d ever again take him seriously?

  • reid

    Brian Edwards is basically an enabler of aberrant behaviour and he does so at the behest of his client Helen Clark and her pal Chris Carter. This is of course all being done to get Phil Goff. To do it though off the back of alleged mental illness shows again just how much leftists really care.

    Brilliant.

  • SeĂĄn

    And in his own comments Brian says (my caps):

    “That is certainly an option and one which, I suspect, HELEN MIGHT SUPPORT. But if, as I suspect, Carter’s most recent behaviour is the product of acute depression, then his mental rehabilitation could well be followed by political rehabilitation. It has to be remembered that what he said about Labour’s (and Goff’s) chances in the next election was probably accurate and a view shared by probably a majority of the Labour caucus.”

    After that comment. Edwards is officially a ghost-writer for Clark.