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The violence of the left wing in New Zealand

by Whaleoil on January 31, 2011

Much was made, erroneously, of the motivations of Jared Laughner. The Standard leapt straight in and branded him a Tea Party supporter without a shred of evidence, and then went on to malign and implicate Sarah Palin as well. Bomber at Tumeke also falsely brought Sarah Palin into the blame game for the crazed actions of an idiot.

Both of these left wing hate speech sites somehow connected political rhetoric with violence by someone not even connected with either Sarah Palin or the Tea Party. In fact all evidence points to Jared Laughner being a anarco-communist. That however doesn’t stop them telling the story they want to tell no matter how false or misleading it is.

The left-wing holds itself up as being enlightened, and above such violence. Their rhetoric never uses such nasty words as ‘target’, or ‘hitlist’, oh no, they hold much more considered debates with their followers. Like this poster currently adorning fences on the North Shore in Auckland

Judith Collins Shoot Yourself poster from People Not Profit Collective

Poster on North Shore, Auckland

I have no idea who “People Not Profit Collective” is but I’ll bet a million dollars that they aren’t Tea Party members or Sarah Palin supporters. If posters can make people flip out and attempt to kill politicians then this one is right up there.

I doubt though we will see any left wing blog decrying this poster though. Because, you know, they have a much higher and more peaceful level of debate than the right wing who are all gun crazy, baby eating demagogues.

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  • hawkes

    I dislike the left-wing/right-wing division. I think it is artificial and stupid, and in any case it doesn’t apply to me. In some things I would be considered left, in others right, depending on who is doing the considering.

    For something like this poster, you don’t need to have a political point of view to regard it as a loathsome crossing of the line. It is despicable and immoral, full stop – just like Palin’s targets. Whoever is responsible for it is as sick in the head as anyone else, regardless of where they sit on the political spectrum, who thinks that blowing someone away is an answer to anything.

    Don’t make this a left/right issue. It is an issue of morality, common sense and basic human decency.

  • mediatart

    PP doesnt seem to exist locally, and its not the way a left wing group would act. Economics is the big issue for the left,normally they dont have any money for billboards.
    The North Shore is a clue to being a one man band tory plant. probably some sick teenager.

    • http://booktragic.blogspot.com pauleastbay

      Mediatart

      Sometimes when you have something really stupid to say its just better to think first and STFU and keep it to yourself.

      Even left wing loosers have access to B & W printers. The North Shore thing is normal anyway its the Christchurch of Auckland

  • http://zerorocketlaunchers.blogspot.com/ Mr. Infinity

    So, ‘tart, rather than accepting that the left has done this, you fall back to the standard leftist position of: “it’s a conspiracy!”

    not the way a left wing group would act

    “cancerous and corrosive”

    “don’t put it all at risk”

    “this one’s about trust”

    “anyone who supports tax cuts should be taken outside and drowned”

    “rich pricks”

    Yeah. the left is completely free of violent vitriol.

  • kimbo

    “…it’s not the way left wing groups would act”.

    Why? Because it doesn’t fit your plausibility structure?!

    Left wing analysis and action is founded on a ‘them vs us’ analysis. Have a read sometime of Geoff Chapple’s book on the ’81 Springbok tour. Breathtaking hypocrisy regarding the use of violence from start to finish, irrespective of your views of the rightness or wrongness of the tour…

    Must say, I admonished caution on this site a couple of weeks ago when it seemed WO was quick out of the blocks accusing the left of making political capital out of the Arizona shooting. How wrong I was.

    I’m a centrist, and think Palin is facile, trite, simplistic, and, like Obama, a populist lite weight. But for hawkes to equate Palin’s ‘targets’ with this crap with Collins shows an astounding lack of comparative judgment, perspective, and objectivity.

    Which sums up the default position of the radical left. It is about overturning the status quo, therefore it is about action – not subtle nuance or perspective. Just have a look at the rantings of Marlene Campbell that WO has posted…

  • mediatart

    So Palins ‘ crosshairs’ on Giiford and her earlier ‘reload’ comments arent applicable?

    Obviously Palin wasnt responsible for pulling the trigger – Arizonas gun laws allow deranged people access to 30 shot pistols is an obvious factor- she has added to the rhetoric and in a political sense she has to take responsibility for her out rageous comments.
    While there are allways clueless people in political movements – nobody thinks National front antics are linked to National Party inspite of them being to the right.

    So what does PP fence poster prove ? Some collective of three is linked to all left wing groups. ?
    You have to separate the bottom feeders from those who want to lead at the nationwide level, Palin fails that test. Shes never more than Mayor of Wasilla, where she started.

  • kimbo

    “So Palins ‘ crosshairs’ on Giiford and her ear­lier ‘reload’ com­ments arent applicable?”

    Nope! And stop being silly.

    It was a thing called a metaphor – and a very broad one at that. Or am I to reinterpret Labour’s policy to mean that it will be eradicating certain groups of the population when it says is ‘is targeting low income groups”?! Or how about, “Labour is targeting the Ohariu electorate”? – which, surprise, surprise, is precisely what the Palin ‘targets’ were about!

    In contrast, a doctored photo with a bullet through the Minister of Police’s forehead has moved beyond metaphor. Sick caricature is more like it…

  • hawkes

    @kimbo: Both are equally sick and that is my point. You don’t use gun “metaphors” on people in a place where every crazy can arm himself and then get all disingenuous and try to say you were only kidding when someone takes you literally. America is a country where a lot of people think it’s ok to shoot a driver who cuts you off. I know, I’ve lived there. You try doing the same and then tell me who lacks comparative judgment, perspective, and objectivity.

    • kimbo

      …the problem with your analysis is found in your statement, “get all disin­gen­u­ous and try to say you were only kid­ding when some­one takes you lit­er­ally”.

      Jared Laugh­ner wasn’t taking anyone literally, be it Palin, the NRA, the John Birch society, the Black Muslims, or the Daughters of the American Revolution.

      He is a crazy and/or evil person, listening to voices in his head. Palin was irrelevant – other than giving as good as she got in the context of what passes for robust debate in the USA. So why are people trying to make political capital out of it…?

  • hawkes

    You make a valid point but is there not an argument that her use of the target motif might have fed those voices and given them something to focus on? I agree with you that Palin is facile, trite, simplistic, and a populist lightweight, though she gave a terrific speech at the Republican convention, but no, I don’t like her much and I definitely don’t like the poisonous tone of what passes for political debate in America. And when I see some of the comments that appear on blogs like this one, I worry about that infection spreading here, as well. That’s why I don’t like the left/right division, and consider it stupid. There are good ideas and bad ideas and good people and bad people and you find them at all points on the political spectrum. Unfortunately, the less intelligent amongst us tend not to see beyond the labels.

    • kimbo

      …yeah, there is an argument the use of the target may have fed those voices – but so far the evidence seems to be emphatic: there is no cause and effect relationship with Palin’s rhetoric. That should have been the end of it.

      In regards to the rhetoric on this blog – it is the price of democracy. Anyone who enters the WO domain soon knows what they are getting! And some of the points made are good.

      And WO has a good understanding of what makes the electorate tick. I’d love it to be as you say – intelligent people, making reasonable, measured decisions that decides the parameters of our political debate. Mostly that happens, and on this site more than you give credit. But people are allowed to vent. It’s their country, their system, their taxes…

      Shit, I’ve got way too pretentiously cerebral. Time to bugger off to visit Brian Edwards…!

  • ivyr6

    here is another looney for you to ponder about: http://newzeelend.wordpress.com/

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  • panda1

    The poster is abhorrent. I’m a bit of a lefty but in no way condone this sort of stupidity.

  • hawkes

    @kimbo: Cerebrality (cerebralness?) aside, at least we can have a debate about this without resorting to name-calling and personal abuse. That is something I value:)

    @ivyr6: I often go to newzeeland for light relief. There is a kind of strange purity about the obsessive rabidness of that site!

  • gaskranken

    Crusher will be getting her men to determine who PNP are right now and once her elite squad of lads have demonstrated why putting posters like that up is a very very bad idea, the moronic haters will be heard from no more.

  • kevin

    Golly, that M.T. media tart, (aka empty) certainly chucks out some vacuous comments. Odd stuff really.

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  • http://frontrower.gotcha.co.nz The Frontrower

    Deranged man shoots liberal politician in US – was egged on by a conservative politician.

    Socialist organisation are egging on deranged men to shoot conservative politicians in NZ – it’s all a right wing conspiracy.

    I think the position is fucking indefensible and the posters should be condemned.

  • grizz

    I think people before profit has something to do with Malcolm France. Physically attacking politicians is nothing new to him. However I would be put off by his BO and bad breath to get close to him. See link:
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10574529

  • marybelle

    Grizz – Thanks for the info about Malcolm France. So it is that lot! I wonder if John Minto is also involved. If it was Malcolm France he has progressed from lamingtons to shooting Ministers with a gun.

    Shame there are not cameras on every street corner to catch who did this.

    He is also the one who was arrested while protesting against the Israeli tennis player.
    http://www.3news.co.nz/Arrested-protester-previously-attacked-MP-with-Lamington/tabid/419/articleID/136273/Default.aspx

    Malcolm France also doesn’t like motorways. http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0905/S00256.htm

    Is this the same Malcolm France?
    Islamophobic article (Ian Wishart’s) provokes huge community response | Aotearoa … 19 Apr 2007 … MALCOLM FRANCE, organiser for ClimAction, Auckland’s climate change coalition * OMAR HAMED, organiser of Students for Justice in Palestine …
    http://www.indymedia.org.nz/article/73480/islamophobic-article-provokes-huge-commu

    If so he is described by Grant Morgan from RAM as a “community leader”
    “My letter has been co-signed by over 130 community leaders, the vast majority of them non-Muslim, who are equally disgusted at the article’s contents.”

  • patt

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Some people are angry and aggressive regardless of their political views.

    OTHER BREAKING NEWS:

    An angry and aggressive blogger who regularly states that people should be shot for their political views and behavior tells off someone else for being angry and aggressive.

    Why can’t everyone (of all political backgrounds) just chill the f**k out?