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Greens smear SVA leader and workers

by Whaleoil on March 4, 2011

Disaster Tourist Gareth Hughes posted at Frogblog about the SVA. He was doing well until the very end when he said:

The image of the lazy, selfish, and drunk student or the inept and corrupt student association so favoured of ACT and National Party arguments is well and truly busted.

Like a true pinko he couldn’t help himself and had to politicise the disaster in Christchurch.

This uncharitable individual talks up the SVA, then smears National and ACT without being aware of the facts.

Sam Johnson is a National Party member. He ran for the centre right Independent Citizens in the last local body elections, and won a seat on his community board. The politically aware in Christchurch rate him as a huge talent, even if Sam is far to modest to rate himself as that. He bought together a good group of students after the September 4th earthquake, and these people were not student politicians.

This blog understands that the UCSA provided Sam’s group funds to help out at the last election, and have been very, very helpful, but this is not a UCSA initative – it was Sam and his group of highly competent volunteer students that made it all happen.

On the community board Sam has also done some smart things. He has tried to build better relationships between drunken students and normal people, by dealing sensibly with problems. If you put rubbish bins on the road on a Thursday night when students are walking home from the pub drunk then there is a law of nature that says that the rubbish bins will be tipped over. So Sam asked to move the rubbish day to a day when there werent drunken students. There are other examples that have filtered through the tip line about what an exceptional guy Sam is.

Frogblog amongst other leftwing blogs and Gareth Hughes in particular need to accept that Sam is doing things for the right reasons, rather than for some narrow political advantage like them.

UPDATE: When I posted a comment on the post I ticked the “notify Facebook” option and my comment went to my wall. That prompted amny in the Whale Army to go and comment at Frog Blog. Well now those comments have been deleted except for the sychophant comments. Comments from me and David Farrar and Keeping Stock were all deleted. Seems that not only dot he Greens lie but they don’t want to be caught lying.

UPDATE 2: The Comments are back now…and they are blaming a technical fault…yeah right…caught int eh headlights more like.

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  • http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/ inventory2

    I feel a Tui billboard coming on:

    The Greens support free speech. Yeah right

  • symgardiner

    Comments are now back. Well at least when I checked.
    It’s fantastic work those students are doing.

    • http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz Whaleoil

      Nope they are all gone except for the new ones…they have definitely removed at least 10 comments

      • symgardiner

        Weird. I see five posts from David then you etc. I guess you mean there were a heap more.
        It was a nicely written article until that last sentence. So unnecessary.

  • http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/ inventory2

    I wonder if this one will pass muster at Frogblog:

    Oh dear. A funny thing happens when you get your facts wrong Gareth; people notice. And an even funnier thing happens when you try to cover your tracks; people talk about it.

    It’s time for a tactical withdrawl and an apology methinks …

  • Doug

    The Frog is in competition with the Stranded deleting posts, next you will be banned for life. No reason given just they don’t agree with a contributor.

  • Doug

    In fact you have a better chance of posting a comment in China than you have on the Communist Standard.

  • reid

    It’s interesting that as you gravitate through the moderate and toward the extremes of the political spectra you see those who gravitate to the left profess love but practice hatred and criticism.

    By their actions, shall you know them.

  • bjchip

    It is interesting that the adherents to parties that immediately politicized the disaster by proposing cuts to Working for families and student loans (immediately confirming the thesis behind “Shock Doctrine”) are so QUICK to claim that we politicized the disaster by describing the attitude of those parties towards students.

    It is also interesting that Gareth did not link what he supposes are National’s attitudes to students (I don’t agree with him, but given how they treat students, I understand) , to anything Quake related. Praising the SVA and by extension some student leaders who happen to be NACT supporters, while at the same time slagging off NACT doesn’t parse as an attack on those student leaders.

    Sorry Cameron… it doesn’t parse that way and your attempt to spin it that way is simply a way of lying. Much as the way your ignoring the immediate political assault on WFF and student loans that was actually JUSTIFIED by NACT by way of the Quake is a way of lying to your followers. Not something you said, something you failed to say.

    The rest of you can rattle on about how stuff is “censored” but that doesn’t cut it. I’ve lost posts in there… most of us have, but if you imagine that its censored every time something hiccups… well paranoia is probably a good thing, but you’re looking in the wrong direction. The facebook integration is only a few days old, and we would like to know if the comments that disappeared were submitted through fb rather than through the normal interface.

    Feel free to come over and comment.

    If you have a comment that you reckon useful, resubmit it. Don’t rattle on about being “banned for life”… or censored. Repeating your misconceptions to each other is a good way to miss what the truth is. We don’t do that sort of thing.

    Frog­blog amongst other left­wing blogs and Gareth Hughes in par­tic­u­lar need to accept that Sam is doing things for the right rea­sons, rather than for some nar­row polit­i­cal advan­tage like them.

    …and of course, the title of your post.

    Cameron… there was not any part of Gareth’s post that said anything derogatory about Sam or the SVA. Your attempt to justify your headline is a half-truth and as the proverb goes… “a half truth is a whole lie”. It makes it hard to accept anything that comes from you as being worth reading. Ever.

    Can you spin the problem of NACT making political moves on the basis of the Quake into non-existence?

    Good luck. Feel free to visit us. Register and Log in if you expect your comment to appear immediately. I suggest going in directly, NOT through facebook as that interface still seems to have problems.

    BJ

    • http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz Whaleoil

      Anyone who uses “parse” in a sentence is full of shit. Using it multiple times means the shit is overflowing.

      There has been no immediate political assault from anyone other than Russel Norman and other pinkos wanting to jack up taxes from the second day of the response. The people who raised teh shock doctrine were left wing blogs who decided that something would have to be cut and made suggestions that National would do this or do that. So far nothing like what has been expressed by the likes of you and your fellow travelers has been done.

      Is the log in your eye so large that you cannot see the last line of Gareth’s post. That line destroys anything he said above. By slagging of National and Act for some unverified assumptions from his world view insults the work of Sam and any other National or Act member involved with the Volunteer Student Army. I note that it is the “national VSA, or the NACT VSA or any other branding just that it is Volunteer….ie not compulsory. People aren’t running around claiming that they are better because they are National or Act supporters, yet there are plenty of people, Gareth and other MPs including that are waxing lyrical about Green, or Labour or unionised workers being just wonderful.

      I am yet to see any credible right wing blog using the disaster to politicise things. I have however seen every major leftwing blog including Frogblog do precisely that and from the second day.

      If you claim the Shock Doctrine then so too should you point the finger at Russel Norman for using the Shock Doctrine to propose hiking taxes. Frankly your accusations are farcical.

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  • bjchip

    Start out with the ad-hom right away. Good work slick… not smart but it will appeal to your followers. Anyone who does that could be buried in a shoebox if they were given an enema. So now we’re even.

    Nothing in terms of paying for this has actually been done at the government level. So in that respect we can agree. National has not “done” anything…. yet.

    However….

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10709754

    “Both Working for Families and student loans are arguably broad and generous schemes and there may be the opportunity to make alterations to the generosity of those schemes, particularly in families where it reaches into very high income levels and where those people have enjoyed reasonably good tax cuts,”

    Borrowing, or having a tax or cutting spending everywhere else. Got yer choices right here mate. Who chooses what?

    Well Greens went with taxing and borrowing, as you’d expect, and NACT went with cutting and borrowing as is their wont. That’s all predictable… but calling generally for taxes is more responsible than cuts in WFF which would save MAYBE 1.1 million a year… or did you miss Bill English explaining that? Also there was a good case made for short term borrowing and spreading out a tax payback of it… someone in the Herald.

    The only farce here Cameron, is that you can imagine that saying :

    “By slag­ging of National and Act for some unver­i­fied assump­tions from his world view insults the work of Sam”

    … actually makes it so. Slagging National and ACT is exactly that. Has nothing to do with individuals and less to do with any students in the VSA. You draw a very long bow to try to connect the two things.

    I am yet to see any cred­i­ble right wing blog using the dis­as­ter to politi­cise things.

    No… perhaps not… and I never claimed that most of them were doing that… it is the GOVERNMENT that is doing that. NACT is doing that. Why would I discuss a blog? I only bothered to come here because you commenced to lie and slander us… as is your wont and some of your own sycophants have been doing drive-by’s. So I figured turn-about is fair play.

    I note that it is the “national VSA, or the NACT VSA or any other brand­ing just that it is Volunteer….ie not com­pul­sory.

    You know… Gareth didn’t brand them either. You want to apologize to him? You ought to.

    Overall I am not all impressed with the quake “coverage” anywhere Cameron. Frogblog, the mainstream media, Kiwiblog or here…. It is all too real for the people who must live in it, and all too much like voyeurism by the rest of the country. The volunteers are a change from that and a good one.

    NACT however, is not excused for its targeting WFF and students. Nor would I expect you to excuse me for targeting people on more than $150K but pay a lower effective marginal tax rate than I do. It’s about the GINI coefficient… nothing personal.

    You want more inequality? Good luck with that.

    BJ

    PS… We’d still like to know whether the “disappearing” posts went through FB or through the standard interface. That would actually be pretty helpful.