Karl du Fresne on TV3

Fresh from savaging Patrick Gower, Karl du Fresne looks at the parlous state of TV3 and wonders if there is a campaign being run.

Now I don’t normally subscribe to the theories fo the either the left wing or the right wing nut jobs who think that this paper or that paper is bias for or against them. I know enough people on both sides or the argument that assert that the NZ Herald is bias against them to know that the NZ Herald sits fair and square int he middle. Sure they have left wing columnists and also right wing columnists, but the fact that equal numbers of people say the NZ Herald is bias against their point of view tends to support my view that they are ok. Now I Must say the same cannot be said of the Herald on Sunday.

Anyway a professional journalist like Karl du Fresne is likewise loathe to point the finger so things must be really bad at TV3 for him to be prompted to write about it.

I should state here that I am not a supporter of Key or the National Party (I’m certainly right of centre, but I’ve voted for Labour far more often than for National), and I repeat that I’m not in the habit of alleging institutional editorial bias based on one or two examples. Now and again a report may lean one way or the other, but generally things balance out in the long run. What worries me about 3 News is that a persistent pattern seems to have emerged. And what finally convinced me that the channel has abandoned all semblance of political neutrality was its screening last night of a pseudo-documentary entitled Inside Child Poverty, written and presented by Bryan Bruce.

I say pseudo- documentary because it was an undisguised, overwrought piece of hand-wringing political polemic that made no pretence of objectivity or balance. To screen it at any time would have courted controversy, but to show it in prime time just three days before a general election couldn’t be construed as anything but a deliberate attempt to tilt the political playing field in Labour’s favour.

That couldn’t have been clearer than when the host – who clearly aspires to be New Zealand’s answer to the sanctimonious John Pilger – genuflected, metaphorically speaking, before the Michael Joseph Savage monument and reminded us of Labour’s proud historical commitment to feed, clothe and house the poor. Another overtly political moment occurred when Bruce asked rhetorically: “Who builds state houses? Labour. Who sells them? National.”

I waited at the end for the announcement that this had been a party political broadcast. It never came.

  • Kosh103

    Given everything stated in the doco was correct, I think it is a bit rich to bitch about it.

    Heres a thought, National could step up and say – right we are going to fix child poverty in NZ and put kids at the front.

    Who wants to bet they will?

    • Super Guest

       Here’s a thought, perhaps you could come up with your own thoughts instead of spewing Goffice nonsense that’s less than half as popular as National party polling (on current polls).

      • Kosh103

        My values are my values, and unlike many voting National, they do not change based on polls.

        • Agent BallSack

          If Labour doing a deal with Winston doesnt even make you think for a tiny bit…wait a sec, I believe in socialism but not at the cost of racism, not at the cost of Kiwis jobs, not at the cost of smashing the piggy bank and giving it to our mates, you need to seriously re-evaluate what you have become as a person in regards to your political beliefs in pursuit of Elysium. 

        • Jester

          Well it appears that 15% of your Labour muppet mates have changed based on the polls. So it’s either 15% of previous labour voters don’t agree with labour policy or 15% have jumped ship because of the upcoming drubbing. Your thought Kosh. Enlighten me on values mate.

        • Tony

          Sorry Kosh – that MUST mean that you didn’t vote for labour post 1987 b/c of the asset sales. If you did then that is clear that you kept loyal to the Labour brand regardless of what Labour did. So you are no different to those who you seem to dislike.

          Sad one-eyed socialist  

        • Alma

          Get your hand off it your santimonious pinko wanker

    • Kimbo

      The issue isn’t who wants kids to live in poverty. No party does. It is about the best
      means to get them out of poverty, and stop even more being born into it. I’ll
      gladly vote National with a clear conscience knowing that is my foremost
      desire, and the right means to achieve it. Annette King’s tears on the
      issue highlight the point. Nine years in office, and they didn’t solve
      the underlying causes?! How much tax will solve the problem?!

      • Gtx

        I wanted to comment in this, but quite frankly, I cannot improve on what Kimbo has said here.  National do not deliberately, as Bryan Bruce wants us to believe, set out to hurt children.  Bruce is ridiculously off the mark in his assertions.

        Then there is this. The most recent news footage I seem to recall of state housing, is of tenants refusing to be relocated so as to upgrade the houses to more healthy standards.

      • Anonymous Economist

        Bullshit. It’s about personal responsiblity. Everyone in that video chose have kids, chose not to work, chose to live in a mould-riven gang-infested hovel.

        The only people who didn’t get to choose are nett taxpayers who are paying for all the booze, fags, the hovels, schools, operationrs that those bludgers enjoy. 

        We can make the problem go away tomorrow if we want to: bulldoze the hovels, stop the benefits, stop paying for healthcare & schooling (can’t call it education) for bludgers who care so little about their kids that they don’t ensure they can provide for their healthcare, or education, or even housing

    • Gazzaw

      The comments were made by a person who acknowledges his support for labour!!

      I wonder whether TV3 ever considered presenting a one hour programme on the pros
      of partial asset sales? Yeah right.  You would have been the first to complain Kosh.

      • Kosh103

        There are no pros.

        • Gtx

          Then with your acknowledged lack of objectivity, Kosh, you are not worth listening to.  Of course there are pluses, even if you don’t want to see them. They include government austerity in a world that is currently (finally) heavily focussing on the need for austerity. 

          • HerpDerp

            Weren’t National going to spend the money on ‘infrastructure’ and not debt repayments anyway?!

        • Anonymous Economist

          Hell yeah. None at all. That’s why we need complete trade sales of every single one of the government “assets” (most of ‘em are really liabilities) to get the off the books and off the back of taxpayers as fast as possible.

          And yes: I’m talking schools, hopsitals, roads, ministries, police & fire service – the whole fucking lot

    • Pete George

      ‘Poverty’ can’t be ‘fixed’. There’s many complex factors involved. Yes, we should do what we can to improve education, contraception, budging, parenting, employment etc, but those who think taxing some people more and giving across the board increased handouts to poor people will ‘fix’ everything have no idea about reality.

      There have been poor people for a lot longer than this country has been populated by people. Today’s poor people have more opportunities, more assistance and better standards of living compared to poor people of any past generation. We should work to continue impriove things for everyone but will never solve everyones problems for them.

    • Peter Wilson

      It’s not what he says, but how.

      “Who builds state houses? Labour. Who sells them? National.”

      Why not.:

      Who saddles the next generation with massive debt simply to build state houses? Labour. Who enables tenants to purchase their own homes? National. 

      • Anonymous Economist

        Right!  Clearly trying to “fix poverty” is a stupid mistake. Who build the hovels? nett taxpayers! Who pays for the kid’s food?  nett taxpayers! Who pays for their “schooling”? nett taxpayers! all those expensive ops? nett taxpayers!

        Want to stop the hovels, crap food, crap schools, crap hospitals and booze and drug ridded bludgers? —  STOP PAYING FOR IT!

      • Karl Laird

        And also factually incorrect given current context that the housing stock has gon up under this National Government

  • Anonymous

    Labour had NINE years to do that, what did Hullun do about it ? SFA

    • Kosh103

      And do you see me defending them for that?

      No, they are just as much to balme. But National is the Govt now and they are the ones who have to do something about it.

      Wanna bet they wont?

      • Anonymous

        They’ve already said they will, kosh.
        They’re going to push people off the sickness benefit and DPB, and into work. 
        How much of that did Labour do, kosh? SFA.
        Where are Labour’s plans to do that, kosh? There aren’t any.
        That’s ok, kosh. You stay in your little world where Labour has all the easy answers. Tax, spend, borrow, tax, spend, borrow.
        You know damned well that Labour has no intention of getting anyone off sickness benefit or the DPB and into work.

        • Sddsd

          Yes… They will push them into the abundance of jobs currently available. In no why will we end up paying more for them if they commit crime and enter the justice system. Cutting the benefit is the best option for society.

  • first time caller

    I was actually appalled by tv3 for showing this three days before an election. Fair enough to show it after and maybe something would be done about the houses…but the timing was purely to get votes and not for the good of the poor hungry children who’s parents have flat screen tv’s as my 10 yr old pointed out, even if Bryan was doing his level best to stand in front of it.

    • Kosh103

      If it makes National ashamed enough to act – Good on TV3

      • http://twitter.com/Jazr0d Jazr0d

        fuck them and their tv

        and sterilise them

        • Kosh103

          And it is people like you that are the reason children are sick in NZ.

          • http://twitter.com/Jazr0d Jazr0d

            and people like you need to trade your values for a reality check

          • Kosh103

            I prefer to live a country where we think about others are are not as selfish as you seem to be.

            I far prefer my values and morals to those of you and your mates.

          • http://twitter.com/Jazr0d Jazr0d

            and yet you still can’t see the big picture

            feel good bullshit only goes so far kosher

          • kevin

            Pop down and teach them some life skills… like how to have less children.

          • Anonymous

            so their fucked up loser “parents” ( I use the term loosely ) have got nothing to do with it ?

      • Anonymous

        Oh dear. You do sound bitter, kosh. 
        Anyone would think there was an election coming up……. Backing the wrong horse, are we? 
        Feeling left out, are we? 
        Never mind.  I’m sure Labour will have lots of celebratory bubbly left over on Sat night.   

        • Agent BallSack

          Labour cant afford Chardon presently…might have to wait for the next installment of union dues.

          • Anonymous

            Heh….. ouch…… ;)  

        • Kosh103

          I vote according to my vlaues. Hence my vote is never one of a selfish nature.

          • Anonymous

            Me too! I like helping motivated hard working people

          • Bunswalla

            Everyone votes according to their values pal, which by the way are intrinsically selfish. That’s why they’re YOUR values. If you feel so strongly about poverty and child abuse, what (apart from opining that you don’t think National will take action in the future, which doesn’t count as action, and is incorrect) are YOU PERSONALLY doing about it?

        • Tony

          Actually, there is a bit of me that is looking forward to National getting 45% and Lab/Maori/Mana/Greens/NZF getting 55%!

          Watch Lab dance on a pin trying to convince the public that despite National gaining the largest amount of vote, a coalition stitch-up in a single-minded attempt to grab power would be OK. A situation like that would ensure the destruction of MMP as the public start to realise how MMP was actually designed.    

    • Brad

      How hard is it to 1)Open windows, 2/ Clean the mould… My house is less than 8 years old, Mould is a fact of living in this house.. not something to complain about.

      • James Stephenson

        Brad’s got it sussed. The National Government should legislate for Swedish levels of humidity in Auckland.

      • Anonymous Economist

        How hard it is to drive a D10 right through the “suburb” and fix the problem of the hovels permanently

      • Karl Laird

        And stop using unflued gas heaters inside!!

  • kevin

    House ventilation seemed to be an issue that no-one understood. Can anyone remind us who the labour mp is/was for the Porirua area…

    • Anonymous

      Exactly.  They only seem to show up around election time.  

    • Roflcopter

      Kris “Parachute” Faafoi

    • Roflcopter

      Prior to Mr Parachute, it was Winnie Laban

      • Anonymous

        Yes, and both of them seem to be about as useless as tits on a bull. 

  • Mirtnan

    In the last thirty years Labour have been in power more than the Nats.Wonder what they have done in that time,other than keeping the Pacific Islanders  in check and getting their votes.One would think that child poverty just happened in the last 3 YEARS.Take Porirua, Labour has always had Labour MP since time memorial.Pity the Labour party channel TV3 didnt point that out.Also a few years back Labour fast tracked Winnie Laban in there, a person of Pacific extraction,she was there for 3 terms of the Labour   Govt,she left to further her interests else where.Enter Faifoi another Pacific Islander .He wants the Porirua peoples votes,yet the track record of Labour Government in that area is almost a criminal act,just like the TAXPAYER FUNDED TV3.They have been completely culpable of deliberately hiding the truth about Labours shocking track record in that area.

    • Anonymous

      How is TV3 taxpayer funded?

      • Mirtnan

        They were heading for bankruptcy,they went cap inhand to the National Government who bailed them out to the tune of FORTY THREE MILLION DOLLARS.Go figure.

        • Anonymous

          That does not make a bailout, nor funding from the taxpayer.

    • Gazzaw

      Mirtnan, labour don’t want them off the benefit. The minute they get self sufficient and have some aspirations for themselves and their kids there’s a danger that they will vote National.

      • Tony

        Exactly right – that is also why it is socialist policy to widen the benefit system to include the middle class (and beyond). People don’t like giving up stuff that they got for free – look at the PIGS to see what happens when governments try to reduce extreme levels of social spending.

  • Brian Smaller

    @Kosh – Those people shown on that doco deserve to live in shit. Lazy pathetic scum too stupid to get a bucket of hot water, some bleach and rags and CLEAN THEIR FUCKING HOUSE.  Maybe if they opened a window or let some light in they might not have so much mould. Useless eaters.

    • Kosh103

      No one deserves to live in shit. Except maybe people like you.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        Can’t beneficiaries clean up the shit? Are the hands and legs fucking painted on?

  • Cadwallader

    There’s a lot of state worshipping here…especially from the demented loser Kosh. There is one way to get oneself out of poverty…do it yourself! Relying on state handouts (read other peoples’ money) from the government is like expecting your MP to improve the weather. The real sadness in NZ today is the degree of entitlement amongst those who are state dependent. 

  • Quintin Hogg

    Janola can get rid of mould. Costs the same as a packet of smokes.

    • Honcho

      Maybe in the 70′s!!! You could get a big plastic container full of janola from the supermarket for less then a single beer at the pub.
      You could get 4 of them for a pack of smokes …. although maybe just one and something for the kids breakfasts?

    • Anonymous

      Yep and with the change they could buy a loaf of bread and some tomatoes to go with it , but nahh thats too easy!
      Better to live like pigs in a sty ,starve their own children and plead poverty.
      “We need more hand outs”Socialism 101. This is labour-greens-maori-mana(?) voting base and they need their base living like 3rd worlders for the VOTES!!!! (sneaky little rats)

  • Unklefesta

    I love the fact they used Sweden as their poster boy for success … didnt mention that tax in that country runs at 57 percent in 2010

    • Agent BallSack

      No one mentions that while they’re extolling its virtues as socialist paradise.

    • max_power

      It’s also extremely socially unacceptable for any Swede to live on the benefit as a lifestyle and take advantage of it. It’s seen by everyone in society as a temporary net and why betide anyone who treats it otherwise, from their neighbours, their family and the media.

      It’s the same in all the nordic countries, this is the only reason why it works. Consequently you can’t compare them with NZ for it’s attitude that is the root cause of welfarism and poverty as awell, and the next time any lefty wheels out the Scandanavians, tell them that and they’ll to shut up, they can’t do otherwise. 

      • John Q Public

        And a lack of a poor indigenous underclass, which also fails to rate mention.

    • Anonymous Economist

      Nett Marginal Tax in NZ today runs at about 55 %

      what’s the difference?

      • Anonymous

        Agreed. add up what you earn, then add up the taxes (plural) you pay.
        Mine is around 57-59 %

    • Peter Wilson

      and pretty sure I read that GST is at 25%

      • Gazzaw

        You are correct Peter 25% as is norway

  • Anonymous

    It’s almost comical; but rather, it’s tragic how Labour blames the current and next government for all the ills of the past 3 years. Cough, cough, Goff,  obviously TOO BUSY over those nine years past,  to deal with that sort of minor problem.
    We have inherited a lost generation thanks to the previous governancy.

    • Agent BallSack

      And listen to the bitching and moaning as a Government works to pull them out of that. They have been trained to sit back and we’ll throw you a dog biscuit every week, just bark every 3 years when we tell you.

  • Anonymous

    I’m very much hoping that with this election, we will have a real “sea change” in that Labour and their hanger-on parties will **never again** be able to get into power simply by whining and moaning and promising the bennies endlessly more money. 
    Hopefully people throughout the whole country have, once and for all, seen through the shallow and venal Labour.
    They’ll do anything to keep people dependent. They’ll be forever in bed with the unions. Labour is for losers – always has been, always will be.     

    • Anonymous Economist

      I just hope and pray that Key on 55% and a majority he will clean up NZ once and for all

      no more Labour
      no more Unions
      no more Bludgers
      no more Benefits
      no more KiwiBank, KiwiRail, KiwiStealer, ACC EQC AirNZ Powercompanies….

      we all know what needs to be done: pray Key has the courage to do it!

      • Kosh103

        And watch how fast we become a 3rd world country, all thanks to National.

        • Anonymous

          Kosh,

          Go an live in a 3rd world country; you might then see just how ridiculous that statement is.
          And as for poverty; having a government provide you with housing and an ,albeit modest, income doesnt quite meet that threshold.
          Some heavy doses of personal responsibility are need by some of these people you purport to be the impoverished.
          This country needs to lose the “gummint owes me” mentality and quickly.

  • Alex (not the Leftist twat)

    No attempt whatsoever to determine whether cultural norms of self-responsibility and cultural homogeneity had anything to do with the low rates in Japan and Sweden.  No the magic solution is to throw more money at the problem.  Can Kosh tell me how many more billions are needed before it all just goes away?  

    • Anonymous

      Yes, and the bad news (for those who love to quote the Nordic countries as some kind of nirvana) is that they are starting to have lots of problems with immigrants over there. (The same can be said of the UK and much of Europe). Mostly Muslims who come in, go on welfare, breed like there’s no tomorrow and drain society while contributing nothing in return.
      In Germany, Angela Merkel herself has said that “multiculturalism doesn’t work”. 

      • Cadwallader

        thor42: I absolutely agree. The Scandinavians are tax gobbling, immigrant welcoming death-wishers. However, what redeems them is their innate pride as to being self-sufficient and not relying on other peoples’ money to live. Let’s be frank, the non-whiteys in NZ are the predominate “consumers” of welfare. I doubt there is a single MP in the country who’d dare to say this though.

        • Anonymous

          Agreed! 

  • SJ00

    No one has mentioned that one of these poor, state house living on the bones of their ass people on the show last night, also had in their lounge, a 32″ flatscreen tv (could have been 42″, Bryan did his best to block it in the shot by standing in the way) and their 5 speaker surround sound system. Granted, they *could* have been last years model, but its a bit rich showing us around your house, that you and your teenage kids seem to be sitting around in all day watching tv, when you could get down to Pak n Save and by some spray n wipe or mould removing spray and at least attempt to clean up your filthy house. Yes these houses could do with insulation etc, but thats no excuse for dealing with an obvious problem growing in front of your toothless face.

    And how about we knock on the doors of these parents that are not feeding their kids and arrest them for child abuse. You know what I see when schools offer free food for kids? Parents who then decide they can spend that money they would have spent on their kids food, and spend it on themselves or something else. Its a cop out to not feed your kids. Some of those kids on the show had skin diseases that almost made me sick. Again, arrest the parents for letting those kids get that bad (what the hell was that anyway? whats the cause of getting those scabs? If its not washing or something simple, again charge the parents, stick them in prison and teach them how to do basic life skills like looking after children. At the very least sticking them in prison for a year will stop them having more children for that year!)

    • Agent BallSack

      If you send your kids to school without food, you are failing to provide the necessities of life. Imprisonable offence, generally used for Maori baby killers.

      • Guest

        if you live in a state house and are starving your kids – frankly you’re doing the rest of us a favour.  

        Do us all a bigger favour – drink a bottle of cheap vodka, load up the car with the kids and go for a drive on the River Road…

        Which just goes to show: everyone has a choice whether or not to bludge. Everyone. 

  • greg

    Had to laugh at th twat who couldn’t afford to buy milk yet he had crisps and TimTams in his trolley

  • Brian Smaller

    As I said – the poor are mostly ignorant morons who would be poor if they had ten grand a month.

  • Gavin

    Had a look at Sweden’s stats today – 35,000 immigrants from Somalia last year, foreign debt per person double that of NZ – like others I know the socialist paradise will fall apart as the new immigrants will not contribute to the economy but drain it.

    • Gazzaw

      You are absolutely right Gavin. The only one without financial concerns is Norway. The people are still taxed to buggery – 25% VAT, income tax surcharges for the ‘wealthy’, wealth tax, assets tax, death tax, municipal tax, social security etc. However, Norway has huge oil & gas reserves and unlike the rest of Scandinavia was astute enough to stay out of the EU & as a result isnt involved with the Euro crisis or contributing to the tossers in southern Europe. .

    • bristol

      Yep, and to add
      to Sweden’s much vaunted multi-culti socialist paradise, Sweden also has
      Europe’s highest level of reported rape – the statistics dominated by Muslim
      immigrants.

      http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/muslim_rape_wave_in_sweden/

       

      Socialist
      Norway is not far behind, has exactly the same problem. Notice the politically
      correct “explanations” of Norway rapes by the police woman…

       http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_rHFKRwv5Y&feature=player_embedded

       

      One can
      only hope that New Zealand will never, ever, fall into the
      same trap.

      • Anonymous

        Are you that crazy who always cuts and pastes his posts and claims to have 40 years experience as a psychologist?

        • bristol

          No.
          And what’s wrong with copy and paste if it supports factual evidence of the truth? Tosser!

          • Anonymous

            Did I say there’s anything wrong with it? No, so calm down. What I’m wondering is where all the posters who are copying and pasting stuff have come from just recently. Is it being copied from some standard form that is being posted in several places with a few key words changed?
            BTW, you do come across as pretty crazy, you must admit.

    • Karl Laird

      Will be interesting to see how the Finnish fallout of Nokia’s falling star plays out too