Watkins on Key

Tracy Watkins seems to have her head screwed on right, rather than sensationalising a silly 8 minute chat that was illegally recorded she questions those who are ramping up the issue:

It is time for Key to seek the release of the tape, or a transcript, and, if the conversation was as bland as he says, the public will form their own views about the motivation of those who hyped it up.

From what we know so far the conversation was titillating, rather than scandalous.

Key appears to have made a comment about NZ First having no future because its supporters were slowly dying off.

It’s the sort of comment a political commentator might make without raising an eyebrow – though injudicious coming from a prime minister.

There also appears to have been discussion about the future of Don Brash.

The two men probably went over the same ground that has been widely canvassed in the media in the last few months: the ACT party is in disarray, Brash barely has the confidence of the party any more, that if there could have been a move against Brash before the election there would have been, and that the party is pinning its hopes on the likes of star candidate Catherine Isaacs to carry the torch in the future.

She is dead right about Don Brash, he promised so much and had he continued with the fight and vigour that he had when he rolled Rodney Hide then he wouldn;t be int he position of being talked about like a silly old grand-dad who has lost his marbles. The simple fact is that John Key doesn’t particularly like Don Brash, he knifed him for the leadership after all and John BAnks is such a natural politician who still has energy and fight that discussing a doddery old tool who can’t stay on message is hardly a “game-changer”.

As for suggesting Winstn’s bewildered and deluded fan base are dying off,  well that’s true.

The funny thing with this whole attack that Winston and Phil goff have joined in on is that they are vilifying John Key for telling the truth when they have based their campaign around John Key telling lies.

I predict that within 24 hours Duncan Garner, Patrick Gower, and Bryce johns along with Phil Goff, Trevor Mallard and Winston peters are all going to look like tools, and will stand accused of aiding and abeting illegal behaviour and sensationalising the banal.

Of course while they have been sensationalising the banal they have let the Greens get away with their illegal campaign activity and blindly accepted the Sgt. Shultz excuses of Russel Norman. Contrast the light touch the media have handed out to the Greens with the vilification of the Exclusive Brethren in 2005. The Greens have demonstrably broken the law the Exclusive Brethren broke no laws.

  • adybombs

    Has anyone other than Winston said the tape contained the dying off comment?
    Looks to me like the canny old bugger has taken advantage of the vacuum to insert himself into the only story the MSM are reporting this week.  Phil can’t buy any TV coverage but Winnie got himself on the lead story in the news two nights out from the election

    • adybombs

      Whoops, two weeks out from the election

  • Anonymous

    I find it amusing (and not a little disconcerting) that so much moral outrage can be generated over the speculated contents of a private conversation, while simultaneously so little outrage is raised over an actual illegal act.

    Does rather call to question the ethics of those spouting their mouths off.

  • Mother of 2

    I am sure that what is actually on this tape is no where near as bad as what people with vivid imaginations are coming up with.  It would be better to release it and stop the speculation.  It makes me wonder how they (Key/Banks/and their minders) could be so “un-savvy” as to not be more aware about an unidentified object on the table… and what was the diplomatic protection squad doing?  Also it is getting boring, there are fare more important issues to focus on, having just walked through Wellington City we have a serious problem with under-utilised youth who need some attention.

    • Anonymous

      True the Diplomatic protection squad has been shown up to be a bunch of Muppet’s. This is not an isolated incident; they have been like that for many years now. Probably because there is no credible threat in New Zealand and they are there mostly for show.  

  • Evan Johnson

    The Exclusive Brethren told us how to use our votes, when their members are not supposed to be voting!  The conflict of values stated, and values practised – that is the common thread between the Brethren and Key.

  • Anonymous

    The Tea Party
     
    JK “Hi John how’s it going”
    JB “Good John how’s it going for you. Ready to give me Epsom yet?”
    JK “Look John I really don’t like you or The Don, but I need your help.”
    JB “Same here I don’t like The Don but I love myself and need you more than you need me. Don’t worry when we get into power he will be gone buy lunchtime.”
    JK “The come back kid Winston just might make the threshold and I have made a public boo boo saying I won’t go into coalition with him. I underestimated the Old and infirm, in there bewilderment years. Most of them still think Elvis is alive and are likely to vote for the personality, they like what he says.”
    JB “Understand where you are coming from John…………You mean Elvis id really dead, I always thought he had just gone home.
     

  • Peter Wilson

    I don’t know why Key doesn’t just say; “Well, I don’t actually have to give my permission for them to release the tape. If they think it is in the public interest then they can make that call, and take their chances; with the court, and public opinion.”

    That way he’s not going back on principle; he’s not rewarding secret recordings, he’s saying the ball is in their court. Put up or shut up.

    If the Newspaper is saying, well no, we might charged with something illegal if we publish without permission, then where does that leave them?

    • Anonymous

      Hasn’t he already said that?

      “I don’t have a copy or a transcript” seems pretty clear. he can’t actually release something he doesn’t possess.

      • Peter Wilson

        My understanding is that if Key gives his permission to publish, police could not then prosecute.

        That is the paper’s reason for not publishing; the threat of police action. Oh yes, and not publishing allows them to tease the story out a little longer!

        • Anonymous

          It it were that juicy they would “Publish and be damned”.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_QHPFJEIC5X2KPCCOHPY4NITHJI R

      as Key said right at the start, if the paper had anything on the tape that was of interest they would of released it.  Tv3 even admitted the day they had it that there was nothing of interest on the tape, but now they are trying to spin it, why?  Because Key refuses to go on their shows, and why does he refuse?  Because tv3 shows take what is said to them and then try to twist it to what they want it to mean.  The great news is tv3 owe 350 million dollars, they will either go belly up or be sold soon.

  • Anonymous

    R you are starting to look like a moron. A Politian not fronting the media in the middle of an election campaign?

  • Steve

    The game is to keep the morons guessing about the contents, and it is working.
    The lefties are raving like lunatics – good, keeps them satisfied. But don’t worry, the lefties will wake up and turn back to their putrid nasty ways soon

  • Anonymous

    Gosh imagine if the conversation had not been recorded! What would the media have created then? Whatever they said to each other is probably what many of us would be saying.

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    reviled subject and apply the very maximum sentence possible under what I
    assume via indirect references to be the provisions of Section 216(B) of the
    Crimes Act 1961, they tend to go straight for the proscribed and punishment
    provisions and bypass the guiding Interpretations clauses such as the preceding
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  • Catweasel321

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    • Johnboy

      Perhaps the site feels the same about you Pusoozer?

      • Catweasel321

        I wither before your crushing retort….

        • Catweasel321

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  • Alex (not the Leftist twat)

    I so want to believe there is a good reason for Key’s position that will soon be revealed.  I so want to believe this is part of a Cunning Plan.  I so want to believe Key didn’t say anything silly.  But my gut reaction is that this is a bad call — and a very big one — on Key’s part.  I want to be proved wrong. 

  • Troy

    It’s all amusing really.  I’m overseas so i’ve voted already (as have quite a few others!).  Couldn’t give fat rats about it all… i really don’t miss all the bullshit that takes place back in NZ, i’m mildly amused by how emotional some individuals (such as Goff) have been… he’s a big pussy’s twat and most i’ve chatted to can see thru his plastique behaviour.

  • Bob

    Well given that Garner and Gower are such sad arse wannabe tools I’m hardly surprised they keep banging on about it. Have never seen a more sorry excuse for political reporters than those two. What qualifications do they have? Three gold stars from jurno school? Biased, opinionated and to be honest a bit thick sounding most of the time, what makes them think anyone even cares slightly about what they think, reporters should report the facts and then STFU.

    Key should stick to his guns and continue to tell them to f-off, when TV3 falls into the financial abyss then these two try hard pricks will be reduced to reporting on local school fetes and cats stuck up trees for community newspapers, couldn’t happen to a more worthless pair.

    Bob

    • Alex (not the Leftist twat)

      I was thinking maybe this is all being used by Key to show that he has mettle and not just “smile and wave” as the Left say.  May be he wants to show that he can make difficult decisions.  May be he will have the tape leaked and published some other way, and those tapes will show he has disdain for Brash and Peters (something that would be very popular with centre voters).  But it is all very strange.  More in keeping with Key’s character would have been to have allowed release and then said “well I was saying what I think and what others think” and move on. 

      • Bob

        Maybe, though I have zero faith in the media’s behavior if it does get released, they will select a few five second sound bites taken out of context and let Garner and Gower wax lyrically and pontificate about what they think and they will make a meal of it, they have to that have vested to much by hyping it up so much.

        Bob

  • Catweasel321

    I think you’re all missing the real outcome of this PR fiasco and name calling.

    That the stupifying honeymoon between Key and the media is
    finally over and there is no more easy ride.

    He was cruising to an easy victory and then he shot himself in the foot . He’ll have to work for it now.

    But no worries he can still sell his breakup story to WW or
    NI.