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Gay couple find out they are going to be grand-dads

by Whaleoil on December 19, 2011

via Boing Boing

This is why it is ridiculous to die in a ditch opposing gay marriage and gay adoption. Family First should be embracing families not opposing them. These are certainly not type pf person about to put their kids in a dryer or thrown them on the roof or beat them to death.

As one commenter said on Reddit

“Those pesky gays, ruining the family structure what with all the genuine, unconditional love and affection they shower on their kids/grandkids.”

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  • Brian Smaller

    Like that didn’t reinforce a sterotype or two.  :)

  • Alex

    I was involved in a law reform project years ago involving the legal issues surrounding reproductive technologies. 

    What struck me is that all those who make use of such technologies, whether they be hetero or homo, were driven by an enormous desire to have kids they could shower with love and, due to the enormous sacrifices they made, never once forgot their blessings in having children. 

    Now compare that to some on-and-off hetero couple who have a child “accidentally”….

    I know several same sex couples, mainly lesbians, who have several kids, and build their lives around their kids.  While the kids may refer to both parents as “mum” or “dad”, the law regards one of those parents as having no relationship with the kid.  That is just wrong and does nothing to support good families.

    • Pharmachick

      Well said Alex.

      I know more than a little (professionally, not personally) about those needing and using assisted reproduction technologies. 

      Your points are extremely valid and absolutely reflect my own experiences in this area. 

  • Anonymous

    Great vid!

  • Paul Rain

    Yeah.. because there aren’t very obvious counter examples demonstrating why there is absolutely no value in toying with children’s lives so that 2-2.5% of the population can play mommies and mommies or daddies and daddies.

    • Kosh103

      Name them. Given the level of abuse carried out by hetrosexual parents, the fact that gay parents actually WANT their kids as opposed to “oops, preggers again”, lets here why gays should not have kids.

      This should be amusing.

      • diabolos

        Kosh mate – this is one of those rare occasions where you will find yourself agreeing with cameron slater … however there are some of us even on the left who would say ‘what is the level of abuse numbers wise from hetero parents’ and question why these people who have hijacked the word Gay without our permission should then shove their lifestyle down our collective throats.

        Cameron is endorsing them – not demonising them.

        I dont agree with him – and a lot of other people dont either

        although i think Cams position is more pragmatic and political than much else?

      • Peter Wilson

        I’d say it’s the old story.

        SOME gay’s should definitely not have kids. The same for heteros.

      • Gazzaw

        Kosh, for once I am 100% in agreement with you. As for Andrei’s comments about ‘blood’ then he needs to read Graham Sinclair’s new book and his terrible experiences with his abusive father and alcoholic mother.

      • Pharmachick

        Kosh103,
        bloody hell TWICE in one day I agree with you (perhaps I am dreaming and/or about to get hit by a bus)

        … yes gay couples that want to nurture and love their kids are better by far than “oops, preggers again” [sic]. 

        They are also a googolplex power better than parents of Lillybing, James Whakaruru, Nia Glassie et al 

        I agree with Whale’s positive stance on this issue, and am even more admiring given his recent christian conversion, but yet he still works in a wider tolerant world view.

      • GPT

        I am agreeing with Kosh.  I am not sure whether this means the world is about to end or the point is so bloody obvious anyone can see it.

      • Paul Rain

        You could read the link. Of course, we are talking about Daily Mail hate-facts, so keep the heart pills close by.

  • http://truebluenz.com/ Redbaiter

    Obviously staged, and so overdone its contemptible.

  • diabolos

    How people live their lives is up to them.  Just dont shove it down everyone elses throat and attempt to go overboard with ‘normalisation’.  Others have the right to view it as not normal and to have their own benchmarks.

    I think a lot of people have about enough of the “rainbow bullshit conspiracy” right now.

    Do what you want and keep it to yourself.

    • Sars

      Dead right – if everyone stops making a big deal out of things like this, they will just become normal. 
      It’s the same for females in business; as a female in business I get so dreadfully sick of all this ‘top business women this’ and ‘outstanding female achievement that’ – if you want equal rights then why demand a parade every time some women gets a promotion, why not just accept as normal course of business like men do? They crap on about women’s special interest groups but the feminist fury knows no bounds when it comes to ‘the boys club’ – if you need a pat on the back every time you do something as well as a bloke then you’ll never get the same pay etc. Wow…slightly off topic there sorry folks. 

      • Pharmachick

        Love your comment Sars, 

        as a female in Science (and in a male dominated mini-branch) the whole “female empowerment’ thing is merely a political construct. 

        In terms of real achievement, this ‘Women in Science/Business’ thing, is most often used by those that were not making it/good enough anyway. In such cases, the “Women in science/business” thing is not only bullshit, but actively works against the excellent chicks because the really good ones are subsequently seen as “token female XX” or “got there because she’s a chick” etc. Note: I am specifically **not** denigrating the “women leaders” etc networks.

        Mate, when I was training, I was so worried about this. Perhaps one of the most important things I have learned is that in my field, we are rewarded for hard work and excellence (and networking).  So I work bloody hard, and I try as hard as I can to be excellent AND I go to conferences and participate and talk to people. I don’t sit in the back and be “invisible” nor do I “push myself” at the front (they’re annoying the world over), but a balanced attitude to networking will most likely work for all young professionals, regardless of sex, so long as they are good at what they do and put in the hard yards.

        Chicks looking for a free ride on the feminist train (I met one recently that’s about 4-5 years older than me, but roughly my stage of career)  need to wake the FU, FO and stop giving us real professionals a hard time (I seem to be channelling Cactus Kate here, but I’m not sorry, that would be a good side of this argument).

        Would appreciate any further thoughts of yours.

      • Sars

        It is a tough line to toe – how can you be friendly and sociable without people thinking your hitting on clients vs how can you be tough and principled but not a feminist man hating bitch? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not complaining – it’s tough but every job, every career and every gender faces its own stereotypes and challenges so I see it as being no different as anything else. 

        One of my biggest annoyances is professional women who seem to think it’s every young girl’s dream to grow up and be some top accountant, doctor or lawyer and get shitty at those who just want a job; not a career. Plenty of blokes have the same attitude and they don’t get sneered at by anyone. 

        I like the challenges of my job and that alone has lead to my career advancement – I’d much rather have my work speak for itself than some feminist man hating attitude that I see in others in my field. Also, ladies – learn to take a joke. Mostly, if blokes are telling sexists jokes in front of you it’s because they want to see how you react. And if you are offended just think, how offended was I when Laura told Mary that she overheard Janice telling Stacy at the watercooler she thought my bum was big? What did you do about that? We accept shitty behaviour off other females all the time and have a big waaaaah when a bloke does it. My boyf was attracted to me partly because of my large repetoire of smutty and sexist jokes and my ability to laugh at myself for being a muppet. 

        BTW I don’t have a big bum lol

    • Alex

      “Just dont shove it down everyone elses throat and attempt to go overboard with ‘normalisation’”

      FFS the only people shoving their sexuality down others’ throats are insecure, mainly male, heteros trying to assert their dubious sexuality by denying others’ their natural expression. 

      In telling my colleague and her same sex partner of 30 years, who are raising three healthy teenage children, that one of them isn’t the kids’ “mum” or even “parent” and that they aren’t a “family”, you are ramming your sexuality down their throats.  

      All the average gay and lesbian person on the street wants is to be treated like a “normal” human being, and not made to constantly feel that their relationships and family are some, perverted, imitation of “genuine” hetero relationships.

      To say that this amounts to shoving it down your throat is pretty much the same tactic as adopted by the Apartheid police charging Africans with causing racial disharmony. 

      That said, I have no time for people like Grant Robertson, Charlie Shovel and the Labour rainbow faction.  I resent them sticking their mugs up on posters saying “vote for us because we’re gay”.  As Chris Finlayson has demonstrated, you don’t need that sort of patronising bull to succeed.

  • Andrei

    What a load of bollocks those two grandpas aint ever going to be blood kin to the new baby

    • Kosh103

      Blood does not a family make.

      • Andrei

        Of course it does – you’ve gone on about child abuse in Heterosexual couples and yet time after time in such cases the male in the partnership is not related to the victim.

        Silly Liberals think that everything can be fixed by new laws and normalizing sexual perversion – and when it turns to custard they just pass new laws which make things worse.

        Blood is everything

      • Sars

        Damn right Kosh. 

        Andrei – A family doesn’t have to be blood to love each other, or to hurt each other. The point being made is that hetero couples have far higher instances of child abuse than gay ones, regardless of a blood relationship to the child or not. 

      • Paul Rain

        An interesting argument ‘Sars’… there is the little problem that homosexuals make up less than 2.5% of the population, and are also considerably less likely to be engaged in long-term relationships or have children (by blood or from the state). Are you really proposing we should wait until 2.5% of the population are involved in half the child abuse cases before acting?

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      So Andrei, my sister, who is adopted, can’t really be my sister can she? No blood ties there? Not really in the family? Just a silly figment of my imagination?

      Get fucked. Of course she is my sister.

      • Guest

        Why do we have laws that prevent people from loving each other, from sharing things with each other, from wanting to protect each other and from not forming family units with each other.

        It all sounds very anti-conservative to me, this ultra conservatism that Andrei promotes.

      • Paul Rain

        You’re right Guest, why do we have these laws? Name one and I’m sure I will join your cause against these evil ‘laws’.

    • Kosh103

      Rubbish. Are you saying that a worthless father who runs off after getting the mum knocked up is of more value family wise than the man who marries the mum when the kid is one and then raises it as his own?

      Blood is meaningless when it comes to being a family. Love is what matters.

      • diabolos

        Kosh – life is a lifetime. It doesnt stop at conception or birth.

        Kids live with the legacy they are given.

  • Peter Wilson

    however there are some of us even on the left
     
    @d6576ae74ced5cc2bb082eb2c6416b17:disqus 

    Oops. Had an idea you weren’t from either side of the fence. Formed your own opinion and all that nonsense.

    Oh well. Another one outed.

    • diabolos

      Gidday Pete – fair comment – and like anything in life you find it difficult to retrace your steps.

      To explain (and i am sincere here) – i try to see the positions between the partisan lines of the parties of thought.

      I dont always succeed – overall i think that what i think and believe is what i think and believe.

      D

  • Peter Jenkins

    Well as Cameron says, they dont put the kid in the dryer, they arent running a P lab in the house, there appears to be absolutely no danger they are going to beat the kid to death with a fence paling or fist….. so far, so good, leave them to it. A good many heterosexual “parents” in NZ could take a leaf or two out of their book

    When there are no more children being abused, neglected or beaten to death, then maybe we can concern ourselves with how these grandads’ kids might turn out….

    Regards
    Peter J
    Webmaster for http://www.sensiblesentencing.org.nz

  • Sars

    The difficulty in ‘accidentally’ having children while in a homosexual relationship is what prohibits the dreadful, despicable ones from having and abusing kids. Because realistically, there are dreadful, psychopathic, loser homosexuals out there just like there are dreadful, psychopathic, loser heterosexuals out there.  I would hazard a guess that there are no unwanted or unplanned children born to homosexual couples. If the same were true for heterosexual couples abuse rates would fall but it’s not and that’s not a debate I am interested in having with anyone. 

    • Paul Rain

      God knows the last thing this country could want for its children is for them to be born into safe, happy, real marriages. You can’t make a reality TV show out of that.. it just looks like a 1950′s sitcom- kind of like the 1950′s did.

    • diabolos

      You nailed it Sars – you absolutely nailed it.

      Hollywood have softened a lot of us up to the new ‘paradigms’ 

  • Thorn

    Planned for and wanted children have better lives than those who are not, and two responsible parents are better than one – not as good as.