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Labour is alrady experiencing the problem of long serving by inept MPs blocking new blood by staying on long past their useful political life. By failing to refresh it meant that they went into the first post-Clark election with a whole bunch of ex-Clark ministers as their main faces. The electorate decided that those faces still don’t fit. National runs the risk of repeating Labour’s mistakes in 2014 if they don’t start looking at refreshing some of the caucus.

Political parties should look at proper human resources management of MPs. There are many in National and Labour that are well past their use by date but stick around damaging the party because no one has the courage to to tell them to move on so that party renewal can take place.

Instead they sit in nice safe seat choking the life out of membership and potential replacements with their intransigence. The Board and Senior political management need to really be sitting down some senior MPs and explaining to them their extremely limited career prospects, the fact that if they stay they will be put on a black list so that they never get a government appointment and how it would be best for all if they signalled their retirement.

National’s constitution and rules have some handy clauses that would make the exiting of problem MPs relatively easy. Plus the time honoured tradition of a good challenge in a few seats should be encouraged by a board that finds its balls. John Key after all won selection in a challenge.

Some National MPs aren’t getting the message, it is time the message firmed up for them.

  • Ben R001

    Strangely Cam a fellow Nat member and myself were talking about this just before Xmas on refreshing the caucas and potential up and comings from 2014 and beyond.
    Should we trade a few names?

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Yes we should

  • http://adamsmith.wordpress.com adamsmith1922

    Coleman
    Heatley
    Shanks
     

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Only three, my list has 12 names on it, and that is just Nat MPs

    • Guest

      English (Good minister but maybe a bit tired)
      Heatley (a bit damaged. at next term will have been there 15 years)McCully (since 1987!)Henare (nice guy but done his dash)Blue (nice lady but invisible)Hutchinson (old and invisible)Williamson (since 1987!)Lockwood Smith (since 1987!)Nick Smith (time to move on)Lindsay Tisch (begone Hobbit)Dave Bennett (only 6 years, but a turkey)Gerry Brownlee (shame, but he does need to move on)David Carter (underperformer)
      Chris Auchinvole (who is he?)

      • Pharmachick

        Oh wow … who on earth is “Blue”. 

        Mate, I’m wouldn’t describe myself as a “political junkie” but that being said I do regularly read (and comment occasionally, depending on the blog) Whale as well as Kiwiblog, Corante in the Pipeline, Pharyngula, Cactus Kate, Bowalley Rd, Keeping Stock, Mac Doctor, No Right Turn, The Standard, Tumeke  and so on… what I’m trying to say is that yes, I keep up with NZ (and blogs in general) and with the NZ parliament, so I’m well informed … yet ….

        Who the heck is “Blue” and why is she in parliament????

      • Pharmachick

        Oh Okay, google search says “Jackie Blue” 

        Annnnnd…….

      • Jackhenderson00

        Chris Auchinvole lost the race to Labour’s Damien O’ Connor for the West Coast/Tasman electorate. A real shame. Chris is someone I really rate. He’s still list though.

  • Ben R001

    Ok to “retire” at 2014:
    Coleman
    Heatly
    Shanks
    Williamson
    English (someone should be able to take finance by then…)
    Lockwood
    Maybe some list MPs from Southern Auckland?

    • Anonymous

      I agree with all of the above, and I’d add McCully to the list as well. He seems to have done SFA in the last ten years. English HAS to go. Dumping him would mean the average age of Nat MPs would halve, and the average IQ would double.    

      • Ben Ross

        Agree there too Thor, McCully should “retire” and I think Brownlee as well.

        Someone said Joyce as a leader around this post, as much I can see that happening ummm could be a double edged sword there.
        As for English Thor, LOL so true

  • Michael

    Te Heuheu got the message, as did Mapp. Williamson must be deaf, blind and dumb. Message needs to go loud and clear to the mid bench Ministers who are not on the way up.  Heatley is the prime example, Tolley, Smith, Carter go on the list as well.

    The frontbench should all think of when they will exit.  Key has signalled a departure next term with Joyce, Collins, or Bennett likely to form the new leadership team. The others should think about their exits before or with Key.

    And the backbenchers who are up to term 3 or more without any progress now need to move on – Shanks, Hayes, etc.

    The next question is who to bring in.  Michael Jones caused so much outrage by endorsing National in 2008 and was rumoured to be a 2011 candidate.  That he was not is a sad indictment on the Party organisation.  But that’s the standing of people amongst the general public required to ensure National has a shot at term 3.

    • Kimbo

      No, not Michael Jones.

      Nice guy, and yes, he has a post-graduate degree so he is a clever guy – within a narrow range.

      Politically is too much of a bimbo, and never had any obvious leadership ability as a player. His Henderson High School mate Alfred Ngaro is a winner, but don’t let Michael (or Inga for that matter) anywhere near Parliament.

    • Ben Ross

      Who to bring in is a good question
      As I said right at the top (to which Cam has also commented) I was having a discussion with a fellow party member on the Make Up of the Party 2014 and beyond

      2014-2017:
      With Key gone, Joyce would be Leader and Collins as Deputy
      Finance I would hand to (Collins would make Treasury really “pay attention but no) Simon Bridges keeps coming to mind but I wonder if he is still too “Young”
      Paula can stay where she is or take Health as I would move Ryall to Speaker before he “retires” 2017
      Educations stays with Hekia Parata as that would take two terms to fix that mess
      Finlayson stays where he is
      Transport to Nathan Guy (I am shooting the breeze with that one)
      Justice stays with Collins
      Local Government I would give to Sam especially as we do not honestly know who will get Mayor in 2013 in Auckland (we can ponder but I say Len will get a second term unless there is a bloody good challenger that can get the Super South Auckland vote)
      Christchurch Recovery and Environment Nicky Wagner
      There are others but my  mind is blank at the moment (need more beer)

      2017-2020 or 2023 National would be in opposition to good time to bring in the next round which ironically some Young Nats could enter in

      While I can not think that far ahead one name in particular sticks out if he wants to enter Parliament.
      His idols are Maggie Thatcher and David Cameron, he is pretty shrewd although can be a bit abrupt with some of his comments and after a time in opposition and maybe a term on the mid benches when National returns to power he could have a tilt at Finance and push through some reforms after Labour’s (or the Green’s) mess in power.

      Won’t name him here but if he is reading this (a few others might pick up too) he will know I am referring to him.

      There are more but might discuss that with Cam in private for now

      • Peter Wilson

        What’s this talk about private meetings with our founder, do you know how naff that sounds?

        Seriously, you’ve got to work out a finance minister above all else. He’s running a country not the local tennis club. How many years in cabinet did English, Birch, Caygill, Cullen have before being considered for finance?

  • Charles2336

    I think Labour is weakend by never having strong leadership at the top of the party machine, focussed soley building the party, rather than their own careers.

    I can not think of a single National Party President who has used the position to enter Parliament, whereas many many Labour Party Presidents have used their position to parachute in safe seats or List positions, eg: Dyson, Street, Little, Margaret Wilson, Jim Anderton.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Lindsay Tisch was once president and then entered parliament, though he is the exception and he was always an interim president doing the job reluctantly after the party got rid of Collinge. 

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      That said, Lindsay is well past time. I’m pretty sure he has been told that and the reson why he is only an Assistant Speaker and not Deputy Speaker.

  • Anonymous

    I’m only doing National based on poor performance to date, lack of talent or doubtful can perform.
    Henare; Hutchinson; Tisch; Wilkinson; Goldsmith (1 term please); Melissa Lee; Shanks; Roy; Blue (what an under performer); Burrows; Tolley; Heatley.
    I would like to see Key stay to 2017 and leave English, McCully, Williamson for departure in 2017 when there has just got to be some talent coming through – trouble is the Talent is too busying working. 

    • Ben Ross

      [
      trouble is the Talent is too busying working.]  <<< So true and it brought a smile to my face

      Hey Cam and others, what about the latest intake of Nat MPs, what and where do you see them 2014 and 2017?

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        Only mark Mitchell in the current intake is likely to do well. The rest are time servers, inept or at the end of any chances at promotion in any job including parliament.

  • Jackhenderson00

    West Coast/Tasman Electorate – Chris Auchinvole. Now only a list MP. Was pipped by Labour’s Damien O’ Connor who is an ineffective apologist that has some seriously despicable personal baggage. Chris Auchinvole is quite the opposite in my experience. I’d like to see some love for Chris.