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No Bail for Turangi attacker

by Whaleoil on December 29, 2011

The Police must have very good evidence as the arrested 16 year old in the Turangi attack case has not sought bail and is currently in custody where he will remian at least until January 12.

Usually the Judges get all soft and crim hugging over Christmas/New Year and let scum walk the streets, not so in this case:

The 16-year-old charged with a sexually charged attack on a 5-year-old at a Turangi campground on December 21 has not sought bail.

He appeared briefly in Taupo Youth Court today, watched on by a gallery filled with family members and media.

He is next due to appear on January 12.

Earlier, the detective heading the investigation into the attack said New Zealand society needed to take a good look at itself.

Detective Inspector Mark Loper spoke at a press conference this afternoon before the 16-year-old appeared in court.

He said it was concerning that a 16-year-old could commit such a serious offence.

UPDATE: The Herald has this photo…the accused has name suppression.

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  • Anonymous

    Still got name suppression though

    • Pharmachick

      NAME SUPPRESSION??? [voice goes up 2 octaves].

      EFF EFF EFF EFF EFF

      No way? What could POSSIBLY be a decent reason? The little girl is foreign & he’s a stranger. Name suppression serves nobody but the criminal.

      WTF.

      I believe that the current leading party wonks, whips, ministers and MPs in power  (National) are aware of this Blog, and may even actively read/keep tabs on it…

      If you’re reading/listening National MPs and coalition partners … 

      1) us Kiwis are sick of name suppression, 

      2) we’re sick of stupidly short sentences and 

      3) we’re sick of activist PC judges. 

      We get that you guys have a hideous economic situation to worry about and a bit of a mud-fight with the teachers unions, but DUDES wake the fuck up and try to help us normal citizens and try to stop this criminal scum madness  (please?)

      Thanks  

      • bobby k2k

        Maybe people wouldn’t be so quick to to be anti-name suppression if one day they were charged with something you didn’t do and public knowledge of it would ruin your career prospects and make people mistrust you basically forever.

      • Pharmachick

        bobbyk2k, I’m not against name suppression in all circumstances. I am against its almost automatic usage by judges for no other good reason than e.g. “the [alleged] offender wants extra time to tell his grandmother” or “he’s a prominent sportsperson” or “he makes people laugh”. Name suppression was never originally meant to be used the way the judiciary are increasingly applying it in NZ. For better or for worse, shame is a strong anti-crime motivator.

      • http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/ Inventory2

        @ Pharmachick; name suppression is automatic in the Youth Court. The Judge has no discretion.

    • Troy

      I’m guessing that’s to prevent him from being murdered.  In any case… he deserves not to live amongst us in society, thus, a windowless 2m square cell on Auckland island, with no door would seem justified… our cowardly justice system can’t cope with that kind of sentence due to the soft cocks in parliament and the judges not having the balls to get tough.

      • Frederico

        I was thinking someone should tap Gareth Morgan up for a bit of dosh so we can buy a GPS transmitter to glue it to his ass, put him on the next boat bound for McMurdo station and set him free about halfway there. Could be another couple of days of good entertainment in it.

      • Pharmachick

        Federico,
        I like how you think, buddy:-)

      • Paul Rain

        Perhaps he could be sent over to Pitcairn Island to share a cell with the Mayor?

    • Plasi

      Would have put a bright pink towel on his head. And how much money did his family contribute towards the wee girls recovery…I bet Nothing.

    • Anonymous

      Trademe posted his name this afternoon but had to take it off immediately otherwise were in breach of name suppression. This is a photo of the suspected guy, shown all over facebook 

    • noname

      lets all not forget ANOTHER little wee baby killed by her own blood, brown blood. It don’t seem to get better, it gets worse!!!

  • http://www.solopassion.com/blog/966 Mark Hubbard

    Or more likely the little shit may have decided he’s safer in a cell than out in the public at the moment.

    • Mully

      Exactly what I thought. I suspect his name will get around Turangi – and if he’s released he might get some “street justice”

  • PM

    Sadly this little sod has altered our tourist slogan to: NZ 100% Pure Evil.

  • kevin

    “the accused was sobbing in court’  apparently… what a baby

    • Anonymous

      I think he’ll have a lot more to cry about if he’s sent to prison.
      It will not surprise me if the guards “conveniently” leave him alone with the inmates for a few minutes.
      I’m sure that’ll be enough to make him a corpse. 

      • Paulus

        He won’t be sent to prison; his mumma loves him, restorative justice, its the Maori way.
        Easiest way would be to castrate him, not chemically, like you do a recalcitrant dog.

    • Anonymous

      Crocodile tears all part of the game. The courts lap up that sort of stuff. Unfortunately our pathetic justice system will not be able to deal with the situation appropriately and we will see the usual PC bullshit carry on with endless hearings etc and sorry excuses with insincere apologies in return for a lighter sentence.

    • Pharmachick

      “the accused was sobbing in court’  apparently
      Fuck ‘im.

      I’m sure the little girl was (and will be) sobbing a long while.

  • Anonymous

    The detective was correct in saying NZ had to have a good look at itself – there is something seriously wrong in NZ. Add this to the dumping of puppies in a bin and the numerous other low life actions – what have we become.

    • Peter Wilson

      I find this kind of comment mildly annoying. As if he believes NZ is some kind of paradise.

      Dumping puppies in a bin? When did that become something new? When was the SPCA first established?  1882

    • Jam_Sammie

      I think this detective was not making reference to any puppies, his point was far more desecrate. He as a police officer is not able to comment directly about one particular section of NZ society but his words echo the underlying sentiment in this country and the shocking underclass amongst us. I will point no fingers but the fullness of time will reveal the underclass I believe he was referring to……

    • Accipere

      What do you mean “we”? Speaking for myself, I haven’t become anything and I’m buggared if I will be made answerable for some little turd’s disgusting behaviour by those intent on collectivising criminal guilt. Annie218 . . . you might have meant well  but your self-mortification has slandered most NZers. The child didn’t deserve to be attacked, but neither do we deserve to be branded by implication as co-offenders in this disgusting event. 

      • Paul Rain

        It’s a pretty unfortunate reaction, the (liberal/media) rush to blame some wider community for the actions of a subgroup of bad apples. One incident earlier this year absolutely defined the phenomenon for me. Nearly twenty ‘men’ and ‘boys’ gangraped an 11 year old girl in Cleveland, Texas. After they were arrested, a number of media organizations interviewed a number of their relatives, who said some pretty despicable things about the victim. From there on, it turned into a confusing national media frenzy, where not only was everyone in Cleveland a rape apologist (rather than just some people quite similar to the perps), but the initial reporting on the case was equally nasty for reporting the views of two or three scumbags, and it apparently should have followed every apologetic for underclass perversion with a “Rape is bad, mmmkay.” Absurd.

  • Oswald Bastable

    Yes- we DO need to take a hard look at ourselves- and ask whey we allow these vermin to live!

    • Mike

      It’s maori that need to take a long hard look at themselves.

      • Jam_Sammie

        The last thing I would like be accused of is racism Mike, hence my post above. Nobody in this country has the right to accuse a particular race of any collective wrong doing BUT it has to be said there are problems within some ethnic groups and in particular Maori with violence and serious crime. The above said, at this point there is no indication about the ethnicity of the attacker but I fear in the fullness of time my suspicions will be confirmed to my great embarrassment as a New Zealander. 

      • caz

        agree – wasn’t at all surprised to see the colour of skin of this bastard’s arm. something has to be done, some change, something. the elders should take control, the families need to be made responsible for the type of values they are clearly instilling in these young people. there’s too much alcohol, drugs and welfare… downward spiral…

      • relaxed and listening

        or the media and those stupid enough to believe the media that maori are the only ones who can commit crimes like this… wake up – the Freemasons ran for years and all the judges and lawyers in Qld etc who disgustingly have organised events to use children in this way are hardly going to be all Maori people. Reality is the more we put out crap the more you get back.. Try shaking some (maori) kids hand that scares you and then maybe the next day you will have the strength to help someone recover from a crime or STOP one.. that makes the difference.

  • Anonymous

    Stuff reports

    Police spoke with family to negotiate the alleged attacker’s appearance at Turangi police station yesterday.

    Negotiate?!!! What negotiation is there to have?

    “Get your ass in here you little vermin or it will be worse for you when we catch you”. THAT’s the extent of any negotiation. What is this country coming to…?

    • Mike

      If he had been any race other than maori that’s exactly what would have happened.

    • Jam_Sammie

      If memory serves, the same “negotiations” had to take place with the Kahui family. These are the cultural hoops the Police are forced to jump through to get cooperation. Show me any other ethnic group where the same negotiations are necessary to arrest a suspect. 

    • EX Navy Greg

      Agreed Rouppe, If  you or I had done it the police would have kicked down the door, two or three coppers on top of us with a police dog nipping at our arse.
      I have had a gutsful of the ” softly softly approach” to one ethnic group. Surely we should all be treated equal.

  • Anonymous

    What a waste they say that dog is a good feed?

  • Thorn

    The detective can stick his remarks up his backside. NZ society has a guts-full of a broken judicial system thanks to Sian Elias’ catch and release practices, and at times, the Police Farce themselves.  

  • Pauleastbay

    The no bail application will more than likely be that there was no High Court Judge available for a bail hearing due to the “hols”.  The charges are rightly serious and a Youth Court and District Court Judge can’t bail on the ones that have been laid.

    He gets automatic name suppression because he is appearing in the Youth Court.  Nobody can do anything about that

    • Lofty

      Paul, is it just me, or is there a vigilante pack menatality at work here???

      I find the reactions of commentators here quite disturbing, we have a judicial system for better or worse, and it will decide guilt or not.

      If the little fellow is found guilty, throw the book at him, but until that happens he is innocent until..etc surely?

      I have read comments about summary justice without a trial..which of the brave buggers are going to pull the trigger??? Wankers!

      It has got me fucked..they are sayng abandon our judicial system in this case..better hope that their kiddies don’t get into strife.

      • starboard

        Your the wanker Lofty. I wont be pulling any trigger though…I will set to work on the scum with ” other” equipment…and it will take me a long time…

      • Anonymous

        I’m with you starboard a blow torch and a pair of pliers will do the job. Lofty you are a Wanker throw what book at whom. What will be also suppressed will be the extensive criminal history of this “Youth” and his wider family.

      • mary

        You sound like a modern day councillor Lofty. If you have a minor problem when you visit one, you have a major problem when you leave. I think we need a bit more of the law of the jungle in situations like these. Get rid of no advatage to society scum and their no good families and save the country money that can be put to good use.

    • Pharmachick

      Pauleastbay, that is part of the problem:

      just because this [alleged] offender is 17, he immediately gets “Youth court” and immediately gets name suppression and immediately gets in line for a wet bus ticket.

      I would argue the following

      1) The law mandating under 18 = youth = suppression is an ass and it neds to be changed.

      2) Certain crimes (rape, murder, kiddie fiddling) should supersede the “youth” ruling for court trials all over a “certain” age [I’m not a psychologist or psychiatrist but I would suggest based on developmental dynamics, international precedent and NZ’s own, internal precedent (Kuariki) that this “certain” age = 12.    

      3) Certain crimes (rape, murder, kiddie fiddling), as above should have automatic name disclosure unless this compromises a victim

      4) Certain crimes (rape, murder, kiddie fiddling) should have extended penatlies in NZ law, or even be considered capital crimes.

      Cheers

  • Gazzaw

    OK, can one of our lawyers please tell us where to from here. He’s 16 and due to appear in the Youth Court. Presumably at some stage the legal system has to start treating this scum as an adult given the serious nature of the crime. Exactly what is the process?

    • Anonymous

      Agree. One thing that worries me…it is just not natural
      for a man( and 16 is a man) to sexually attack a little child. Everything a
      normal adult feels is the need to protect children and to look at a young
      girl-child as a sexual object is just not normal. This young man is sick and
      needs to be assessed and locked up for a very, very long time. My hubby and I
      both assumed it was some kind of paedophile as we could not comprehend a normal
      person doing that to a small child. In fact I feel bloody sick when I think
      about it. Hubby was particularly horrified as we have a daughter whom we love
      and protect as best we can. He hates the way society portray men as potential wife
      beaters and child predators.(thanks in part to media hype). I am obviously
      blessed.

      • Paul Rain

        A 16 year old male should be a man- but are those that aren’t really at fault for living in our infantilised society? Just look at those stupid domestic violence posters; ‘Real men don’t hit women’ was presumably too judgemental, and of course horribly heteronormative. So instead, we get ‘It’s not OK’.

        Not that that in any way excuses the acts of the baby-raper in question. Any normal person would have an innate revulsion to what he did.

      • T…

        I completely agree. I was expecting this to be the crime of a grown man and if he were ten or fifteen years older there would be an almighty uproar but from what i can tell he gets the pity vote because he is 16. It’s his upbringing (which I would imagine is true)… 
        Perhaps the deal was that the family get protection for turning him in?
        But let’s be clear. What he did is abhorrent.He waited until the parents were out. He locked the door. He raped her then bashed her to a pulp. He stole and then ran away. He knew what he was doing.She is 5 years old. Her childhood has been stolen from her. She may not consciously remember the attack but something will always be there, there will be triggers. He doesn’t deserve protection, pity or compassion. 

      • Neelish S.R. Budhia

        I agree with the sentiment of being locked up for a long time, but unless he is locked up for actual life (which we know doesn’t happen here) or given the death penalty, he needs real rehabilitation so when he is eventually released, he is a stable safe member of our community.

  • Donkey

    Perfect case for death penalty – hopefully the guards leave the door open so he gets beaten to within an inch of his life, or go the extra inch. What a pile of shit

  • Kelvirsux

    I saw the pussy-footing judge pandering to his family – who cares about them?  Name him and shame him, and then let’s see what family comes up with shit like this.  I think in years to come we are going to have to protect our gene pool to prevent these scum breeding – a bolt through the head like in the freezing works would be the trick!

  • Tjspooner

    Look at the photo. Maori yet again.Even the towel on his head says Maori.

  • Jackhenderson00

    1. nz has an unhealthy appetite for restorative justice.
    2. nz has some very challenging statistics within certain ethnic groups. where is the honest dialogue about this?

    • Peter Wilson

      I agree. If people are saying, in effect, “bloody maoris” without offering a solution; it can only be perceived as racism.

      And restorative justice, without rehabilitation and treatment programs only perpetuates the myth that violence and power brings results.

      I wonder how many of these death penalty advocates  realise they are contributing to the problem, not the solution.

      • Paul Rain

        So violence and power on the side of good don’t bring results? If this animal gets twenty years in prison, I think that (overly expensive) $1 million spent on his incarceration would be well worth keeping him from raping say, one more baby every ten years. You have to place a pretty low value on human life for protecting the innocent not to be worthwhile.

      • Oswald Bastable

        Bollocks. It’s the bloody apologists that are the problem.

      • Pharmachick

        Paul Rain ….
        and  yet you would spend 

        “… (overly expensive) $1 million …”  

        that is 
        ” … well worth keeping him from raping say, one more baby every ten years”
        [emphasis mine]

        but you cannot see how $0.50 of hot lead therapy would save the taxpayer’s wallet, assuage the community’s concerns and protect a generation of 5 year old girls.

        Okay mate, we’re gonna have to agree to disagree. 

      • Paul Rain

        Oh yeah, a bullet is definitely a better solution. Though a captive bolt pistol would be cheaper.

  • Jackhenderson00

    3. colosseum style conversion to westpac stadium in the capital. 1 tiger, 1 scumbag. he can battle for his life and then go in the big house where we as NZ’ers foot the bill. Armed solely with a spear I believe the survival rate to be about 1 in 20 – just enough to keep our consciences clear.

    • Mike

      If he did survive then we the taxpayers would have to fork out for his medical treatment, as well as the usual cushy prison lifestyle of flat-screen TV, underfloor heating, touchy-feely hugs-all-round treatment programmes etc.

      Bring back the death penalty, the only way to ensure these maggots don’t cost the taxpayer millions over their lifespan.

  • nasska

    Two points:

    1) He’s been arrested & remanded….not tried & convicted.  Put the nooses back in the drawer.

    2) It is only a sub group of Maori who commit crime.  There’s a shitload of good Maori who like good Pakeha don’t need to take a good look at themselves. We don’t need a guilt trip.

    • Pharmachick

      Thanks for a little balance nasska … It is very valuable. 

      Most especially for someone like me that really does believe in justice and in “innocent until proven guilty”, if not (necessarily) having belief/faith in the NZ judicial system which just seems so broken to me. But yeah, thanks for the balance, even though  I’m not even sure I *want* to be balanced on this. 

    • Justme

      Good on you nasska. Only abnormal people commit crimes; for whatever reason. Doesn’t matter what ethnic group they belong to.

    • Thorn

      It is the perpetual brown on white violence that pisses me off, and they way it is ‘justified’ by way of blaming it on colonialism.

      • Justme

        Fair enough Thorn but it’s only a minority who do that. I truly believe that most of us “kiwi’s” don’t think like that. Whether we’re white, black, brown or any other colour in between.

    • Oswald Bastable

      All I see is scum that deserves a noose IF he is found guilty beyond all doubt- like by DNA evidence. And I have a hunch the arrest has taken exactly as long as the lab results took.

      • Paul Rain

        One suspects that the police would have be prohibited from taking DNA from the baby-raper for any previous crimes he committed. ‘Just a little boy after all’. Not that that would stop them getting partial matches on relatives.

    • Lofty

      Thanks nasska..the comments here are frustrating the hell out of me.

      We have a judicial system that will work its way through this case…he will be found guilty or not..until then for Gods sake act like civilised beings…baying for blood is primitive, and unbecoming.

      • Pharmachick

        Lofty, 
        I get where you are coming from, as I think do most posters.  But I think there are a bunch of people here (me included) that have little to zero faith left in the NZ courts, its “judges” or ‘justice system’. 

        The community seems to favor harsher penalties, while the bench seems to favor lesser smacks on the wrist with wet bus tickets (not to put too fine of a point on it).

        I sincerely hope you have never been a victim or violent crime, but suspect that if you had you’d be bitter and disillusioned too due to the offenders “rights” and the current obsession of the NZ courts with oppressing victims. 

    • Peter Wilson

      Yep good on you Nasska. People that focus on retribution, stringing him up etc, helped create monsters like the person who committed this crime – whovever it was.

      They believe power and violence can overcome any problem, just like any other criminal.

      What’s needed is some genuine thought and ideas as to how to prevent these occurences in the first place.

  • Monique

    What I can’t understand is our laws obvious inconsistencies. They deem a 16 year old as an acceptable consentual age for sex yet when a dropkick scumbag like this (regardless of race) robs a little girl of her childhood through sexual violation and he is 16, he is tried in a youth court. Please tell me where the hell the sense is in that?  Our system obviously thinks that a 16 year old is adult enough to handle a physical relationship so why can’t they be deemed old enough to accept consequences for offending? You can’t have it both ways. 

    • Jackhenderson00

      One of the better comments here.

    • Tamsin Marshall

      Can someone actually do something about this? Monique you have hit the nail on the head… the crime is an adult one… supposedly at 16 we are adults and consensual to sex. 

  • Anonymous

    I believe I read somewhere that there was gang activity near the caravan park.  Was this person a gang prospect?  Or was that report unrelated ?

  • t…

    Why isn’t the justice system user pays like everything else? Is part of the reason that we don’t make criminals do longer sentences because of the cost? The crim should run up a bill, that is either paid for in part by the family or himself. Perhaps, if the crim is truly rehabilitated, truly turns over a new leaf, the “loan” could be wiped. Prison doesn’t seem to be enough of a consequence. Perhaps if the family were in some way punished they would do more to keep each other on the straight and narrow? Perhaps if you knew that you would pay for a crime for the rest of your life, you wouldn’t commit it?

    While channel surfing tonight there was a documentary on E channel (yes I know, E of all channels) about kids who kill. Interestingly enough, in America, life imprisonment means life. Parole usually doesn’t come up for another 30 or so years. We need tougher sentences – where appropriate.

  • Anonymous

    What a surprise, I never expected him to be a Maori. Who has ever heard of a Maori comitting a crime in a place like Turangi. 

    What a dump, we should not be encouraging tourists to go to places like Turangi, Tokaroa etc.

    • Paul Rain

      Don’t be silly, the Mayor of Taupo said it was unlikely that the attacker was from Turangi.

    • Pharmachick

      If you’re gonna spell “Tokoroa”, get it right Redge.

      Then, I guess, it is open season – given the recent headlines and older stories.

      • Anonymous

        Oh So sorry, Tokoroa, either way it is a dump, just like Turangi.

        I would not stay in Turangi, so why are we letting tourists?

        It is a magnet for scum due to the prison just up the road.

  • concerned n disgusted

    i think this lil prick needs to be treated like the criminals of russia black dolphin prison at 16 you cant say your young n dumb this lil asshole new what he was doing hes fuckt this lil girls life up for good and fukt every xmas for the rest of her life and her familys rott you scum i hope you get whats coming to you filth of the earth you are .

  • Monique

    I’ve got to say that I don’t think the issue here is race, moref the little girl whose life has been shattered and her faith in the human race left in tatters. Something is seriously wrong with this degenerate and all the namby pamby bullshit isn’t going to help. Our criminal behaviour in this country just seems to be getting worse in relation to the sorts of crimes that were commited 30 years ago in comparison to now. So I think the punishments of today should reflect that. There is so much PC bollocks and softly softly and it’s made things worse. You have crims reoffending to go back inside, why would you want to leave when everything is on the hardworking tax payers dollar? and you get a couple of hundred for the “steps to freedom” when you get out, when they reoffend we should demand that money back! Bring back the death penalty, it’s the only hope for evil scum like this. Americans think their law is an ass, well our judicial system is an absolute joke and the only ones laughing are the crims

  • Mark

    Wow his pigmentation suggests- gosh- brown! Who would’ve thought it?

  • Jackhenderson00

    Everytime something horrific like this happens, I cringe – hoping it’s NOT going to be a Maori. The nation flares up to a multi-level dialogue of things much deeper than the crime itself. Redneck whites voice up and so do opportunist Maori. White people get the opportunity to say Maori are ‘bad’ and Maori get the chance to say the challenging statistics are due to white man’s historical crimes. Neither attitude is productive. We need to unite as ‘Kiwis’ for Pete’s sake. The fact is, that some Maori do have their hand out all the time. But guess what? The reason why some European Kiwis are getting pissed is because it’s not going into THEIR hands. We’re all greedy. But, I think we can all safely say that throwing money at inequalities is not the only way to face a challenge, that is not maori or ‘pakeha’ issue.. But a ‘Kiwi’ challenge. Before we can make positive progress, we need to unite.
    I’m optimistic that if we take united ownership as Kiwis for some of the deeper issues here, with honest and pragmatic dialogue, objectivism in the forefront of our minds and a lot of sensitivity. Then, we will make progress for all New Zealanders.

    • Thorn

      When there is one law for all we can unite. Until then ……………………

  • EX Navy Greg

    The policeman in the photo almost deserves ” face of the day ”
    What a distasteful task he has to perform. Thank you Police.

    • Sars

      I agree – we don’t know the girl or her family, haven’t had to see pictures or take statements. We don’t have to protect the offender while at the same time wanting to rip his balls off. I cannot begin to imagine how hard this investigation has been for the police involved. At least they caught the bastard. 

  • Sars

    That 16 year old is sick. He is unlikely to ever be rehabilitated. Tthis ‘individual’ (I don’t quite know how to refer to him) probably comes from a bad back ground. But you know what? A bad back ground doesn’t make you someone who sexually attacks a 5 year old girl – do what ever you like with ‘him’ but he is evil. And he will always be evil. Evil can’t be fixed – it can sometimes be controlled, but it will never go away completely. I know it sounds really judgemental and usually I am all for rehabilitation but acts like that at that age speak to a level of sickness and evil that you and I just can’t comprehend. 

    • Jackhenderson00

      I agree. Evil can be managed, but not eliminated.

  • RAS

    I absolutely accept the anger and shock of this outrageous
    crime but I am genuinely surprised that a 16 year old would attack a child like
    this – there has to be more to it – I want facts – how did he know the child,
    he had only a few minutes of opportunity to get into the caravan, was he
    stalking the family?  Did he live in the
    camp, had the parents seen him before? – how did the police find him? By locking
    the caravan door he will be crucified and if he is found guilty of sexually
    abusing this little girl he needs to be locked away for a very long time and
    treated as a common paedophile.  But let’s
    have the facts first.

    • Jackhenderson00

      You’re genuninely surprised a 16 year old could do this?
      I’m not.
      It’s called ‘Evil’.
      It exists all by itself quite happily, with or without ‘reasons’.
      Believe it.

      • RAS

        All I am saying Jack is that I would to know more facts – it all seems so bizarre to be a random act of yes sheer evil..No argument there.  But with the mood of the nation he is lucky to even make it to court.  I just hope that the police have the right man . they have made mistakes before.

    • Thorn

      And did he have a previous police record.

      • RAS

        I don’t know if he has a police record – the only thing I saw was that his father apparently blamed alcohol which would lead me to believe that his family know he had something o do with it - seems an unusual remark from a father..   Without a doubt this kid is a sicko and must be incarcerated for his own good.

    • Bill

      Castration works really well with bulls. Euthensia at birth?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7NNPUQPEPWKQBPC7TQEFOPWQ3E Arihia

    Why give him name suppression and a towel. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Could at least tell us what nationality he was

  • Steve (North Shore)

    Council puts down 27 dogs.
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10775930&ref=rss

    They missed one in Turangi

  • World Weary

    Nobody comes from being an honourable citizen to causing such a horrific attack. There has to be a pattern or similar developing past behaviour and it should be included in this court case as relevant information. He has to be already known by agencies involved in health and justice. And upon seeing any progression from ‘petty’ crime / nasty behaviour to such an awful and serious crime, I would ask, who was responsible for him as a youth? What measures were taken to stop any pattern developing? And how was this managed and by whom? And what role does their negligence / poor performance play in the allowing vile behaviour to develop. We can all name half a dozen agencies that would have been involved in this youth’s life prior to December 2011.
    However, he is obviously old enough and capable enough to take responsibility for his actions. The legal system will take care of that. The unfortunate thing is that the legal system does not necessarily reflect any justice.Name suppression and no bail are probably for his safety. Thank goodness the public couldnt 
    identify his ethnicity when the media has noted that his family/whanau were present at court. I would suspect any ethnic group that does not have ‘whanau’ in its primary language is not identified as such.Where to from here? The legal process will probably make us feel impotent if justice is not served. So perhaps we work to change the law to favour the victim and not the perpetrator. If that doesnt work, let us hold our children close and love them dearly.

  • Neelish S.R. Budhia

    ….I’m totally appalled at this crime, but why are so many people forgetful of the whole “innocent until proven guilty” policy we live by?  As mentioned above, how would you feel if you were incorrectly accused and charged of a crime you didn’t commit?  

    If he’s found guilty, by all means name and shame him.

  • Kiwi2084

    publish his name and get it out there.  Its a small price for the one the little girl and her family have paid.  The filthy little shits maori family are as filthy as him.  Maori wardens and elders call some sort of regional conferences and get your young into line.

  • Daniel Brown Nz

    I’m loving all this common sense regarding punishing the little shit for life etc but would have been great if you all could have turned your ‘sensible sentencing’ opinions into a vote for ACT, at least then we may have been able to get a ball rolling in Parliament. Perfect they ain’t but if it means holding National’s feet to the fire over issues like this It would have been great to have to them in government with more force. Just sayin…..

    • Jackhenderson00

      Classic.

  • Albert Pierrepoint

    This young lad clearly needs special care and attention.

    I would offer my services gladly……

  • briano

    If we assume that this is indeed the perpetrator then we can be sure that when he is released from whatever detention he serves he will be a blessed asset to the community having given up his predeliction for sex with children and have assumed the mantle of  benefactor to us all – I’m confident that will happen but if I could be wrong and my grand daughters form part of his next sexual gratification/social statement I am confident that any action I take would ensure the safety of vulnerable children for evermore from this sad, sick individual. If this has any elements of social protest claimed for it then the sheer cowardice of the act confirms that as a lie. His values have been learnt at the knee of whoever raised him and a glance into the attitudes and activities of those around him will be likely to suggest a wider degree of culpability.

  • Cloudwalker

    With modern science and DNA,there is no reason way we shouldn’t have the Death penalty,and OK,give him name suppression and when he is found guilty we can hang him by his neck until he is dead and I don’t care what his name was.

    • Peter Wilson

      Just one question, if it was your own daughter or son that committed such an appalling act how would you handle it? Or is it just not possible for that to happen?

      • Thorn

        I would accept my son or daughter deserve the harshest punishment for this appalling act.

  • Ken

    He doesn’t have name suppression. It is automatic in the Youth Court (and so it should be).
     

    • Barbie

      another soft cock!

  • Anonymous

    thank goodnes for the whip around to financially support the girl and her family.  now they don’t have to deal with ACC insensitive claims doing everything they can to restrict and decline any counselling support.  And the decimation of social services under this government will ensure that the boy does not receive the appropriate support and rehabilitation which is likely why he became offender in the first place.  He’s probably thinking what is all the fuss about nobody gave a shit when when it was being done to me. 

  • enough is enough

    I heard that he bashed out all her teeth, ALL of her teeth. And that the surgeon/s who operated on her are undergoing a lot of counseling (and will need to for a long time) to deal with the injuries her small, infantile body sustained. I heard this from a friend who’s sister works at the hospital.

  • Starry

    Let’s have a look at the evidence:  
     - The parents left the children sleeping in the caravan on their own at about 10.30pm.  She was doing laundry (If I can rightly remember, and the father was doing something on the computer, not far from their caravan). - The mother came back and the door was locked (why would the culprit lock the door?) - She looks through the window and sees a man lying on her daughter (this was at around 10.30pm-was the light on? (hmmm!).     On the news, when the caravan was shown, the curtains of the window were tightly drawn.     There would have been a noise when she tried to open the door surely?     That noise would have surely been heard by the accused, and yet he was still lying on the girl        when the mother allegedly went to the window and looked in.  - Mother on seeing the man starts screaming- and yet none of the other campers who were  nearby heard her screaming!!?? - Nek minnut, within a week, police have arrested someone; the accused, sixteen years old – oh please, its just too easy. - The little girl (yes it is the vulnerable who suffer) had to undertake four hours of surgery.  How unbelievably traumatic.  Indeed for her parents too.      But now I’ve read that the family are carrying on with their holiday and are known to be somewhere in the South Island at this point in time!Question  I would put this to ‘anyone’ out there; would you want to carry on with your holiday after having been through something as traumatic as what happened to this little girl and her family?  -Now we hear that the accused is likely to plead guilty?!-We only have the parents word for what happened.  They need to be cross-examined in court so that the truth can be known.  What about the girl herself-what does she say? -WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!P.S.  There has been an account set up where the public have given over $60,000 –SUCKERS!!!       

    • FFS……

      dear o’dear – to think retards like you are actually allowed to breed

      • Gazzaw

        What planet does he live on? How will he explain the DNA evidence? 

  • Disturbed

    Sick cunt! Hope he gets what he deserves. I reckon let us know his name, he wasn’t shamed when he was doing what he done, why should he be protected and hidden?? Poor little girl.. WHY WAS SHE EVEN LEFT ALONE IN THE FIRST PLACE???