Trialled in Epsom already

It has been interesting that many of the default negatives about Charter Schools (including Ian Leckie NZEI in the Dominion) have come out and said – why isn’t it being trailed in Epsom? – in a way it has been, for more than 9 years at the Mt Hobson Middle School.

Their Academic Manager, Alwyn Poole writes to me explain:

I see opportunity for many children and their families to benefit (without others being harmed) and wonder if much of the opposition is about who announced the proposal rather than possibilities that could emerge.

The Mt Hobson Middle School model is a NZ model that we have “trialled” for the last 9 years therefore does not depend on US data, etc.

We are non-profit, all our teachers are registered, we get (and welcome) ERO review, we deal with a range of students. We teach the NZ curriculum and we run at a pre pupil cost very close to state funding.

It has been interesting for me to see so many groups go into default negative mode (PPTA, NZEI, Green Party) and throw out the “US model”, “Swedish model”, “non-registered teachers comments”. In the past, on a number of occasions, we have asked those groups to come in and see what we do – especially due to negative comments in and around Middle Schooling (of the same default negative style) – they never show up. To be fair – Chris Carter – as Min. of Ed. did come through our school and loved it. The PPTA and NZEI are even avoiding the key point in the data they are quoting from overseas and that is that the model is helping children in poverty (Stanford report, p13.) Not only does New Zealand have an alarming educational tail but, as almost every teacher and parent will tell you there is an ongoing “could do better” at all levels. New Zealand is such a small, and well resourced country, that we should be doing all we can not just to be “world class’ but absolute world leaders. A range of models can greatly aid that and any opportunity to improve things should be given a good hearing.

We run a 12:1 student teacher ratio. John Hattie’s meta analysis did not have class size high but the things he had above it are far more manageable with 12-15 in a class. We split our day into a 4 hour academic morning and in the afternoon do Community Service, Community Learning, Sport, Art and Music. We run a project based curriculum which means the students get an hour a morning of independent study towards 5 weekly set assignments – it gives a context. We are at knowing every student and their families well.

We have had a massive amount of educators come through and their acknowledgment of what we are achieving means a lot. The feedback from parents is also very positive. We constantly test and adjust what we do according to the students in front of us, best theory and the local/national environment.

I spent twelve years teaching at big schools (Tauranga Boys, Hamilton Boys, St Cuthberts) and did 4 tertiary qualifications. As a part of one of those qualifications I did a longitudinal study on achievement at secondary schools which highlighted some major issues. It is okay for people to argue that NZ has a world class education system – the statistics make it clear that it isn’t for those who need it most. I then travelled a number of schools overseas to see best practice.

The basic conclusion to me around that was that Years 7 – 10 in the NZ system were vital and are not strong. It is a vital developmental area and probably the last chance at remedial work.

We take all administration off staff so they prepare, teach, assess and report.

We are non-profit.

We deal with a genuine ability range with our students. Our results are nothing short of remarkable. 95% of our students get level 1 qualifications when they move on and many were not on that pathway when they came to us.

No one has been prepared to follow our student:teacher ratio, our day structure or our curriculum model is a state system. And yet these are the things that are helping the children that come to us. There are probably a number of reasons why the public schools are not able to follow these innovations.

1) Inertia and risk – any change within the state system has the Min of Ed, NZEI, PPTA, parents organisations and public perception issues. Parents in NZ tend to be conservative and when state principals have been innovative sometimes their numbers, etc, have declined or they have faced massive internal opposition.

2) Perceived and actual funding issues – state schools have funding formulas that have a ratio built in. There is a limited flexibility in that.

It is interesting to note that Private School’s also haven’t necessarily gone after the ratio – one reason may be due to the huge facility resources many of them aim to create and maintain (which is even lower in Hattie’s analysis). The other is that some of the school’s are running with a profit motive and I am yet to be convinced that that can work in the BEST interests of compulsory aged students.

It has been to my absolute despair that we have not got the resources to replicate the model elsewhere (we started this school through selling our family home). Clearly the Charter School proposal will not allow us to help every child who could benefit but it may give us the opportunity to do a lot more. Some of the opposition to this seems to be saying that if you can’t help everybody then help nobody. This is an opportunity to do something for many children with in New Zealand that will fit their context.

  • Guest

    That’s a very refreshing perspective. Thank you to Alwyn Poole for writing in and helping to broaden the debate.

    • Ben R001

      Thank you indeed. Gives me confidence in giving Charter Schools a go.
      And in 3, 2, 1 we cue the stooge muppet from Labour, I give way to the Honourable Member, The Kosh (dramatic irony thrown in because it is the Xmas Season)

  • Peter Wilson

    Some of the opposition to this seems to be saying that if you can’t help everybody then help nobody

    I think this comment says it all. As for trialing charter schools in Epsom, I had an idea the concept was supposed to help underpriviledged kids.

    • Dyannt

      I thought the idea was to provide targeted education in the areas of interest to the group wanting to start the school. e.g underpriviledged, art , science, culture, religion, gifted, sport etc

  • Mediatart

    Mt Hobson is in a deprived area of greatest need ?  Yeah right

    The biggest problem would be dealing with the ‘Tiger Mums’

    • Vij

      You’re an idiot, join Kosh103

  • Mediatart

    What is missed out is that this essentially an’ integrated school’ which is selective in admissions ( max roll 48 students) .
    Why would you set up Charter Schools which allow unqualified teachers on a different pay scale and no ‘national standards’ or  national curriculum.

    MT Hobson is NOT a charter school in any way or form, its just the standard ‘integrated school’ model which we all ready have which charges $11,000 pa ( It gets big state subsidies as well)
    http://www.mthobson.school.nz/index.php?id=244

    I repeat $11,000 pa (plus extras) school fees

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Alwyn responds:

      “The reason we had to set up in a place like Epsom is because of the current structures we could only be private. The Charter school proposal may radically allow communities who cannot afford this kind of education to become involved.
       
      As far kids in Epsom not being in need that is a part of my point – we want it elsewhere as well. We are not a conspicuous consumption item and a good proportion of the children who come to us has not done well up until then and many come in from out of the area.”

    • Vij

      No, you are a moronic idiot, because anything that does not fit you small thinking must be wrong

  • Mediatart

    $11,000 + pa. Now we know why MHMS is located in Remuera Rd.

    Charter School….. someone is having a little joke here

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Fuck off Tart…the point is that people have demanded the system be trialled in Epsom, I’m pointing out that it has.

      You seem to confirm what Alwyn Poole has said that “if you can’t help everybody then help nobody”

      Stop acting like a poison troll, you are better than that. Keep up the troll behaviour and you will be watching from the sidelines.

      • Mediatart

        Its not a charter school- nice little PR smokescreen by the deputy head. Its no different  from any other government funded private school in  Remuera.

         But does she go along with your idea of large class sizes?

      • Mediatart

        Point taken.
        Dilworth is a better example than the MHMS.

         Doesnt charge parents a thing, literally and it does take its students mostly from the disadvantaged. Has top class teachers but doesnt get its head lost in the clouds over pure academic excellence

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        Alwyn replies to the Tart:

        “ “She” is a he.
         
        It is not a “charter” school because there are none under current legislation. The model fits very well under the proposal and there are a wide range of groups already interested in working with us. The new school we are involved in starting up in Upper Hutt in January (www.uppervalley.school.nz) will work within that context but follow the same principles.”

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        Alwyn replies further to the Tart:

        “I agree with Mediatart – Dilworth is superb. We would love to work with the numbers of students that they are and that is exactly what the Charter School proposal may allow. We do not have a major endowment as Dilworth did or the property revenue they currently have (we only had one house to sell). Her point is very good – this could also allow more Dilworth type options.  ”

    • Vij

      Go away moronic idiot

  • Phronesis

    With regards to “unqulaified teachers” it has long amused me that I am qualified to teach at all levels within tertiary education but apparently unqualified to teach those even a year younger. Sure as hell wouldnt lower myself to going to some pathetic teachers college either.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      My son is better taught by an “untrained” teacher. The “Trained” teachers gave up long ago, resulting in him being two years behind. 

      The “untrained” teacher has meant that he has caught that up and passed his peers, now he is two years in advance of other kids the same age as him.

      The unions are simply patch protecting. Trained does not equal better.

      • Kosh103

        Tutoring and teaching are 2 very different things.

      • Bafacu

        Kosh, perhaps you should start tutoring the pupils instead because your teaching hasn’t worked!

    • Mediatart

      Yeah a lot of people think they can teach younger kids…. but shouldnt be near a classroom.
      Tertiary  staff  are recruited  on  specialist academic qualifications, not passing a teaching qualification. I wouldnt let you near a secondary/primary classroom either even if you are/were a full Professor

      • Phronesis

        I agree with you completely. “Yeah a lot of people think they can teach younger kids…. but shouldnt be near a classroom.” Most of these people unfortunately are qualified teachers. The point is that a year at Teachers College doesn’t achieve much. Those who would be good teachers will be good teachers regardless or in spite of it. Those who cant teach will become qualified teachers. I also agree with you about primary teaching (which is likely more of a deliberate career choice than I have a degree and cant get a job so I will go teach) but my point was the arbitrariness of the gap between secondary an tertiary teaching.

  • Kosh103

    Private school not a charter school.

  • Anonymous

    I think Alwyn deserves a heck of a lot of kudos for selling his home to start up a school. He sounds like someone with his feet firmly on the ground and minus a lot of the airy-fairy crap you get from both public and private schools. Mediatart, on the other hand, seems interested only in shitting all over success stories.

    • Dyannt

      Ditto to both your points, toby