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by Whaleoil on May 28, 2012

ᔥ Herald on Sunday

Socialist Cindy has loads to say about the budget.

Three days on and Labour is still far from impressed with the Budget.

Its spokesperson for Social Development and Children Jacinda Ardern said it is bad news for children and their families.

Bad news for children and their families…neither of which is something she has experience with. STFU.

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  • Phar Lap

    The real blame for all Lie-bours bleating is they reached too far with their previous election bribes.Interest free student loans and the real poleaxer,   Working for Families.If i was that tart i would keep quiet and hope no one noticed how hopeless they were when they ran the treasury benches.

    • Le Sphincter

      They paid back all the money borrowed by Muldoon, Bolger and Shipley.
      National will NEVER pay back the money they are borrowing now, its the way National governments  work, allways just paying the interest and rolling over loans when they are due with more borrowing.
      Ask English  if he is planning to pay any borrowings back without borrowing more ?

      • Phar Lap

         Everytime i read your replies you remind me of an alien from outer space. Are you sick or just stupid.Lets hear or read about your Lie-bour or Commie “Green” solutions.Tell us about the decade of deficits which the Nats inherited from sick Lie-bour sycophants like your lot, who have all the answers.Your gang had nine years at the well,the result the whole country nearly drowned.In fact have a look around the world  and see Governments of your persuasion who kept giving out free money.No wonder the economy of the world is in such a mess.All brought on by Socialist Governments.

      • Callum

        Go do a bit of actual research, Treasury website shows the trend of debt repayment over the years. Historic figures are generally rubbish pre the early 90′s when the National government introduced accrual based accounting for government (one of the first countries in the world to do so), you can clearly see though the repayment trend starting well before the 1999 election and then being continued under Labour. In fact between 1994 and 1999 net crown debt as a proportion of GDP halved, yet it took Labour longer to repay the other half.
        More poorly informed rubbish posted by an idiot.

      • Johnbronkhorst

        Lets test your history…after being told, it was URGENT that the clyde dam be built (or, at the time something similar) KIRK, did NOTHING. Forcing Muldoon to do it, forcing the costs through the roof. We STILL rely on that project for our electricity (would be stuffed without it), Lange and Moore left the country in no better shape than they found it….Moore just lied about it (“the books ballance”…NO THEY DIDN’T you liar!!). Post the Asia crisis, New Zealand, under Shipley, recovered faster than almost ALL OECD countries. Under clarke and “the best global economic conditions for a generation”, we lagged behind the rest of the world and lost ground on Australia, interms of growth and wages compounded EVERY year. They over taxed over spent, driving companies to leave NZ, taking the jobs with them. Clarke falsified the books by hiring MASSIVE numbers of unnecessary public servants (proved by the improved outcomes with less staff, under this govt.) to hide their incompitance and make political statements about “the lowest unemployment”…All smoke and mirrors, all lies and NO SUBSTANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Le Sphincter

      Decade of deficits ? You mean Treasurys “projections ”
      Tax cuts create deficits  not the government which lost office.
      So you are saying every day English goes into the office he has Cullen  sitting there and has to get his approval for anything ?

      The problem with blaming labour is that Key and English have spent more than Labours last year , every year, plus they  had  unaffordable tax cuts to boot, and in return we have  less than 1% growth per year ( a fall in per capita terms), but thats someones elses fault as well.

      Repayment  can be measured by % of GDP ??? WTF
      Absolute terms please. And use gross because they can hide things just like wall st

      • In Vino Veritas

        Sphincter. You are clearly economically illiterate and will continue to spout whatever ideological nonsense sent your way by your Labour friends.

        It seems that you forget that National put taxes back to the levels they were at pre Labour 1999. You might also recall that Labour increased rates when it was unnecessary. It has also escaped you that Labour committed future Governments to a whole pile of expenditure that the country cannot afford (see WFF, student loans etc). You might remember that Labour left the country with a permanent structural deficit. You think this was good fiscal management do you Sphincter? And this is what Socialists do Sphincter, spend other peoples money since they havent the wherewithal to figure out how to earn some of their own.

      • Phar Lap

         He does have Cullen cap in hand   in his office begging for more money.In case you missed it Cullen runs the Post Office which is on a financial slippery slope.Just a carbon copy of how he cruzified the NZ economy,he has struck again, another decade of deficits.This time your ilk cannot blame the Treasury Dept.FFS.

      • Callum

        Since you obviously need to be spoon fed, gross sovereign debt  –
        1984  $21.9b
        1990  $44.3b
        1999  $37.3b
        2008  $37.7b
        Maybe learn this little skill called research? Or is that too hard for you?

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWM6YFWDG7UN56BCODP2FCMSX4 Phil Ma Crackin

        Spoon fed – as are most Labour supporters. From the governements Budget facts for all people over 16. 2% earning over $150K pay 19% of the tax. 65% earning 40K or less pay 19% of the tax. This excludes WFF tax credits. You can see who is paying for whom.

      • Karlos
      • Kock103 is a big buttplug

        Fuck off Phil ure talking out ure sphincter again

  • Johnbronkhorst

    and labour said the same or similar things about the last budget…in fact all of the budgets. They were wrong then (eg. Lowering back office staff, especially in health, “will have serious repercusions for patients”…yeah….they were ALL good…lower waiting list and times etc) and will be wrong again!!!!!

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWM6YFWDG7UN56BCODP2FCMSX4 Phil Ma Crackin

      Labour raising back passage staff??

  • maninblack

    thats what socialists are like- know alls.

  • Patrick

    She said rates of preventable hospitalisation and infectious skin
    diseases are up as are child protection notifications, and there are now
    270,000 living in poverty.

    & her solution no doubt will be to take more money out of the pockets of the hard working average Kiwi & put it in the hands of the idle layabouts who inhabit the fast food outlets & drinking establishments of NZ. Preventable hospitalisations – does that mean kids that get the bash? Infectious skin diseases – does that mean kids that do not get enough fruit, veges, sun & exercise? 
    Socialist Cindy & her ilk need a reality check, keep giving money to people for doing nothing & they will keep putting their hands out for more & more.

    • ConwayCaptain

      Now if we stopped the rort of the DBP and multiple children to multiple fathers we could drop that no v quickly.

    • Phronesis

      Fruit, veges, sun & exercise are all good but infectious skin diseases are mostly about basic hygiene, washing the clothes and sheets, cleaning the toilet, opening the window etc. 

      • Patrick

         All the sorts of things the children have a right to expect from caring competent parents, you don’t need a lot of money for a bar of soap & a cloth. Instead the parents spend the rent of booze, fags, fast foods & their two favourite past times are breeding & fighting

    • Gazzaw

      There was an idle tart on TV during the week whingeing that she only had $150 a week left over to feed her family of five. There are many WORKING families who would love to have that amount. $150 a week? Dead easy & a few treats in there to boot. Mind you it does involve getting off your arse & a bit of effort & initiative.

  • Johnbronkhorst

    Labours answer…..Their cure all, one pill to fix everything……….CAPITAL GAINS TAX….HA HA HA HA HA…..anyone agreeing with this NEEDS to read…Alan Reynolds report (100 pages) commissioned by the ASX on the effects of a CGT over the first 15 years. You will notice when they talk about CGT they only mension rental properties, but it includes shares and investments which means in NZ (we are unique in this)…we have KIWISAVER and NATIONAL SUPER, both are have the LARGEST share portfolios in NZ. Making CGT just another tax on ALL NZers.

    • Gazzaw

      Don’t you get fed up with it John? All I heard from labour at the weekend was CGT, CGT, CGT. And yes they only mention rental properties – wouldn’t it be great if Holmes & co asked the question about what constitutes a taxable capital gain?

    • AnonWgtn

      Even if capital gains tax was introduced, after the administration cost, it will take something like ten years to even look effective.

      • Johnbronkhorst

        According the reynolds report…CGT in Australia, did NOT raise 1 cent for 5 years. and did not get up to it’s full potential for about 12 years. Read the report as to how insipid and destructive and UNFAIR a CGT is.

  • Sweetd

    With so many gays and lesbians in the labour party it was always going to be difficult to find one that had direct experience of having children.

  • ConwayCaptain

    Here we have a Labour LIST MP on her third term in Parliament.

    Her experience is she worked in a Soup Kitchen in NY on her way to London anmd was the a POLICY ADvisor to thta Lieing toad Tony Blair.

    She has no bloody experience in anytrhing and we are paying her 100K PA PLUS.

    The problem we now have here and in other parts of the world is that we have people coming into parliament with NO world experience.

    Whether you like/hated their policies people like Muldoon, Lange,Douglas,Macintyre,Talboys etc had had a world of experience outside politics before they came in.

    Now we have the Been to school, been to Uni (I know everything), into Parliament and I can run the country.  Would Air NZ, NZ Steel, Fonterra, ASB etc etc put people like these in charge of their operations NO WAY

    • Johnbronkhorst

      Absolutely…and as I have said before…where will labour get their candidates, now that student union membership is voluntary!!!

      • Gazzaw

        The bloke at Massey is likely to be looking for a job John. That branch has nineteen members.

      • Le Sphincter

        You havent heard of l’epaulard best mate and Nationale MP  for Botany.
        Full time councillor at 18, MP at 25. Work experience – zero
        Tasman MP  was elected at  26 while still finishing PhD. Work experience zero

      • In Vino Veritas

        Sphincter, as well as Adern, try Fenton, Little, Moroney, Mahuta, Dalziel and Hipkins to start with (there are more). Previously try Clarke and Cullen. All with work experience of nil.

      • Johnbronkhorst

        Hey arse hole for every ONE you can name….we can name 20….

      • Roland

         Omar Hamed will be a starter for 10, check him out at Symonds Street Anarchist group

      • Mediaan

        Sfink clearly has a strange view of what is working experience. Both Ross in Botany and Smith in Tasman had superb work experience for their MP role when first elected. Both had even proven themselves electable and useful in prior government work.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWM6YFWDG7UN56BCODP2FCMSX4 Phil Ma Crackin

    The behaviour you get is the one you incentivise. Pay more DPB for each and every kid I have?? Great!! Labour hasnt worked out that no matter how much money you throw at this it wont fix the problem. In fact the more you throw the worse it will get because simply it pays the recipients more.

  • Salacious T Crumb

    Hmmm instead of being referred to as “the Opposition”, perhaps they should be known as “the Contrary”…

    • Blokeintakapuna

      Or the opposed – ’cause they can only oppose everything National do – simply because either Labour didn’t think of it first, or because it’s a National policy / initiative.

      Politics of envy for sure….

    • AnonWgtn

      “Greenpeace Contrary” you mean.

  • ConwayCaptain

    In the UK and NZ every time there has been a labour govt the incoming Govt has had to sort out the mess.

    That inc the incoming Labour Govt after Muldoon as he was a socialist at heart.  Look at all the THINK BIG projects.

    • Mediaan

      Yes, Muldoon also raised taxes considerably. Rates up to over 60%.

      The more of your money the government try to spend for you, the more communist they are at heart. Clear sign.

      National governments, the right ones, believe individuals look after their own spending best.

    • Johnbronkhorst

      YES lets look at those think big projects….the ones that the country STILL rely’s on 30 years later….Clyde dam, electrification of the main trunk line, NZ Steel, marsdon point expansion, etcetc…Kirk REFUSED to build the clyde dam…even though it was KNOWN as early as 1968 that it would become NECESSARY and plans had been started, Marsden point, kirk REFUSED to do anything to despite the fact that under his watch we had 2 OIL shocks….etc etc etc Also heard at the time that Lange refused to pay the loan on time for Motenui, so it went into default so he could claim that it was more costly than was the actual case..

  • Agent BallSack

    Asking a Labour MP what they think of a National Budget is akin to asking a white Zimbabwean farmer what he thinks of Robert Mugabes policies.

  • Dumrse

    There is nothing left to give away. When will they learn………

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWM6YFWDG7UN56BCODP2FCMSX4 Phil Ma Crackin

    Indeed Dumrse, but Labour seems to still be of the opinion that the limitless supply of cash to be borrowed exists. Greece is proof that voters often have no concept or reality anbd think fo their own personal benfit forst and foremost. You cannot legislate the impoverished into prosperity.

    • Blokeintakapuna

      Nor can you multiply wealth by dividing it…

    • napalm in the morning

      I think the Greeks are well aware of whats going on and the Spanish are also well aware, with the Govt once again haveing to bail out BANKIA ( 19billion). Private enterprise transfering their debt onto the public, because they got it wrong, again.

  • Mediaan

    Toothy, winsome Jacinda has a strange gap in her history.

    From 2001 when she left Waikato Uni with a “communications degree” until 2005, she was apparently nowhere and doing nothing.

    Then of course she hooked up with Helen Clark people and started on the fast track, which meant (after a short time of peeling onions in a New York soup kitchen, which she admitted she originally went to to eat the food), straight off to London as an expert on business and politics for Tony Blair, then a year as Senior Policy Adviser to somebody who was advising the British police for Tony Blair.

    Oh, did I mention she was a big shot in International Union of Socialist Youth? That was good for other free trips round the world, and she mentions Beirut.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DWM6YFWDG7UN56BCODP2FCMSX4 Phil Ma Crackin

      the gap is between her ears.

    • Guest

      Horses teeth allright

    • In Vino Veritas

      Mediaan. Being a “senior policy advisor” can mean anything. I have friends who are “senior policy advisors”. They work in Treasury. If Ardern was a senior policy advisor for British police, it doesnt necessarily follow that she had direct report to Blair. Just that Blair was PM when she was a government worker (and there are lots of them about).

      • Mediaan

        If you check her Wikipedia bio and her parliament bio etc you’ll get it straight.

  • Mediaan

    This opinionated computer stopped me there.

    I was about to mention, that was before all her unsuccessful election tries, for parliament, from 2008 on.

    She is now beginning her second term, because an intellectual giant like that gets put on number 20 on Labour’s list, so she got in even after her steady fail, fail, record.

    But what has she ever done as Work? Nothing that I can find. Being a fresh faced ex student “advising” a senior policy “adviser” on police, a subject on which she knew zero, or ditto on business, doesn’t count.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_OK7Y7PCSTJ27RCKZ2MGRSAYCTE NEIL

    Ermmm – lets go back to point one – So you’re saying the only way you should voice your opinion is by having direct experience in that arena?

    Kinda disqualifies most of the comments above then doesn’t it?

    • Johnbronkhorst

      Opinion is one thing, having a job that effects peoples lives because of your OPINION (ie politician)….is quite another!!!!!

    • In Vino Veritas

      Normally Neil, I’d agree with you. Buuuut! In terms of education, most people have been to school, in terms of ecomomics and finance, most people have to look after their own, in terms of health, most have been to a doctor and a good few to hosptial. ie, we’ve had direct experience and can form some sort of coherent view. Now, in terms of children, just because you see them around (or maybe taught them at school?) doesn’t give one too much ability to say what is good for children. Children, unlike finance, education etc actually think for themselves and dont conform to theories. Hmm, that’ll do for now.

  • AngryTory

     Bad news for children and their families

    Of course it’s fucking bad news for children. Really Really Really FUCKING BAD NEWS.

    Because we’re borrowing every cent, spending it on welfare, and flushing it down the crapper.

    So tomorrows kids – or at least any of ‘em stupid enough to stay around NZ – will be paying back “Bill the Greek”‘s deficit from now until doomsday. 

    If ACT’s TABOR law passed, there wouldn’t be any welfare, any benefits, or any stupid fucking “Christchurch Rebuild” – because NZ simply cannot afford it

    And that’s why this budget is such bad news. 

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