Gay Marriage Bill drawn

ŠĒ• Stuff.co.nz

Louisa Wall’s gay marriage bill has been drawn from the ballot:

Gay marriage is ”the reality of our times” and should be voted in to law, Labour’s David Shearer says but deputy Prime Minister Bill English says it is ”not that important” and he ”thought the problem had been solved” with civil unions.

And NZ First MP Richard Prosser says although he has ”nothing against gays” he will be voting against a gay marriage bill to ”preserve the institution of marriage”.

A members bill to allow same sex couples to marry was today drawn from a ballot and will be debated by Parliament Рpotentially as early as next month.

The bill, led by Labour MP Louisa Wall, is likely to be subject to a conscience vote but will have the support of Shearer and all Green Party MPs. Prime Minister John Key has previously indicated he would vote for a bill for gay marriage to at least be considered by a select committee.

A number of MPs – including Key and English – voted against legislation in 2004 that allowed same sex couples to enter civil unions. Many of those MPs still in Parliament may also vote against Wall’s bill.

But Shearer today said Key’s support for gay marriage may be ”some indication from the National Party mood is”.

  • Johnny T

    A lot of gay issues posted recently Cam. Have you joined the Labour party without telling us?

    • le sphincter

      Parents can be influenced by their  children ?

  • Butts_McButts

    It’s not like Labour has a monopoly on gay rights. Hell, the Civil Unions Bill was a complete shafting of the gay community – possibly the best example of selling a bridge to people who really need a boat.

  • rouppe

    The sooner that the Civil Union Act and the Marriage Act are combined the better. It was a nonsense to write an Act that is 90% a duplication of another.

  • Apolonia

    How times change.
    These days it’s illegal to smoke a fag, but you can marry one.

    • Butts_McButts

      Smoking is illegal now?

      • Random66

        It is in a public space.

      • Butts_McButts

        I’m pretty sure smoking is still allowed in public.¬†

      • Random66

        I think you you know what I mean.¬† Here is just a small sample in case you don’t; restaurants, schools, hospitals, bars ….

      • Travis Poulson

        The fags aren’t allowed to be displayed in public view anymore. I wonder if this applies to gay parades?

      • Butts_McButts

        …None of which count as ‘public’ spaces. But who cares about actually having a correct point, huh? Any excuse to bust out the word ‘fag’, right?¬†

      • Phronesis

        I think if you smoked a fag it would be considered a hate crime

    • Random66

      Pay attention Butts – I never used the word ‘fag’.¬† I believe the original comment was made to draw attention to how times have changed.¬†¬†These days it¬†would seem to be more¬†acceptable to be a gay man¬†than a smoking one.

      • Mediaan

        Butts,

        If you look up news stories on non-smoking Places, you will find
        (a) it is widely used as a synonym for non-smoking Places or Areas, and
        (b) these places, including restaurants, bars, hospitals, etc, are designated non-smoking through much of the world. UK, parts of USA, Singapore, Philippines, Jordan …

        Poor attempt at a point.

  • Robert

    Who wrote the Explanatory Note?

    “The principal Act does not define marriage and makes no reference to a marriage being between a man and a woman. Essentially the principal Act sets out the technical requirements for the civil regulation of marriage. However, couples, other than a man and a woman, have not been permitted to obtain marriage licences under the principal Act.”

    The Marriage Act does make it clear that marriage can only be between a man and a woman.¬† That’s why a law change is needed to allow same-sex marriage.¬† Whoever drafted the Explanatory note needs to ba sacked.¬†

    • Andrei

      Remember the whole gay “marriage” thing is based upon lies and distortions aand the prolific use of ¬†“newspeak”.

      It is evil and we a surrendering to it – this is the last gasp of a dying civilization

      • Mike Hunt

        Churchies struggling with reality for a change…

    • le sphincter

      where does it say it must be a man and a woman.

      It was two judges who said that, thats why the law  is required to say   gender doesnt matter

  • LesleyNZ

    This is just too coincidental….with National ratifying gay adoption last weekend. Must have been a lot¬†of lobbying on behind the scenes¬†between MP’s and members of all the political parties over the past few months – sounds like a bit of a stitch up – nice and cosy. All that the younger generation of MP’s care about is the gay¬†agenda –¬†especially those in the¬†Labour Party and now National is following tack. Not sure who to give my vote to now in the next election.

    • Mike Hunt

      Maybe it is time for geriatric bigoted mouth breathers to embrace a. Reality, b. Democracy, and c. The 21st century

  • Razorlips81

    This will be another step in the direction of degradation of our society if it passes. Key is not strong enought to reject it. Soon they will have a TV progaram with Nigel Latter trying to brain wash us as to great gay marriage will be for our country, just like they did with the anti smacking bill.

  • Johnny T

    I’ll have to quote V.V Putin here in reference to a proposed gay parade in Moscow. Translation is mine.

    ‘When one of the most gravest issues facing this nation is one of demographics, there is no way we should be encouraging this’

    • James Gray

      “Suck it up, we got bigger problems” is a great way to shut down debate, isn’t it?

      • Andrei

        NO – it is at the heart of the debate, or should be.

        See man of minuscule brain for our society and culture to persist people need to raise new generations. 

        And to do this successful cultures have found ways of bonding men with women and encouraging them to raise children – we call this marriage.

         

      • James Gray

        I had trouble reading that, Andrei, perhaps you would do well to use more punctuation, if you want to get your point across effectively.

        “See, man of¬†minuscule¬†brain, for our society and culture to persist people need to raise new generations”

        Without the commas, the beginning of your sentence reads as an imperative… “See (verb) man of¬†minuscule¬†brain for our society (object)”. And then on with more words that don’t fit here at all. Completely nonsensical. I had to read it over several times to grasp the meaning of that sentence.

        Anyway, you didn’t rebut my assertions at all. I was commenting on the¬†tendency¬†of opponents of a proposal that has largely no effect on the mainstream to frame the argument as a waste of time, and therefore escape having to justify their opposition.

        As for your own assertions, marriage is about more than procreation. It is how our society recognizes that two people have decided to share their lives with one another, and formalizes the arrangement so that they may be treated as such in the eyes of the law. To deny this to people whose preference is different from the norm is arbitrary and wrong.

      • toby_toby

        Newsflash, Andrei – gay marriage won’t stop heterosexual couples from procreating. To suggest otherwise is simply intellectually dishonest.

  • Troy

    I’ll be glad when this is all over so that the more important things can be attended to.¬† Oh and all the religo types out there who feel as tho their religion has been buggered… go read some of the scriptures about tolerance, might learn something about oneself.

  • Mitch

    The country is going in this direction because the majority of the people in this country want to go in this direction. If you don’t like it, you’re welcome to GTFO and head over to the Middle East where homosexuality is still a grave crime. You might even be able to find a bastion of hope where women aren’t entitled to drive or vote! Just be careful not to thump your bibles in public, because you could end up on the end of a rope next to a gay man and an adulterous woman.

    • Razorlips81

      It sounds very tempting! I am bloody serious! Be very interesting to see who will soon be running the world!

  • Phar Lap

    Heard two different angles on the proposed bill.One was to get the bill through, would be the revenge of the straights.The other would be,once more the upside, the bill would be successful,for the applicants Out of it a running mate for National,    in 2014   would be given a huge boost.The Conservative Party would get a lot   more votes than they got in the last election.This in fact could shut out the Red/ Greens,and Lie-bours Gaggle of Gays,etc,etc,    who a couple of years earlier  ,in 2012 got what they craved for ,yet missed out on the ultimate aphrodisiac   in 2014    To run the country from the Treasury benches.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Even if that were true the conservatives would never repeal it.

      • Phar Lap

        I think the  inference to repeal would not be the issue.The prize would be to keep out the pinkos in 2014.The pinkos might win the battle,but miss running the country in 2014,as most scribes seem to be forecasting.

  • Johnny T

    It’s a tough one to support. Whilst I support the right of gay men to root each other up the bottom in the privacy of their own homes, I’m not sure we should be encouraging it either.

    • Troy

      I guess you would conversely not encourage man and wife from carrying out the same practice… which incidentally is common throughout the world on almost all continents.. and has supposedly been the case for hundreds of years – go figure.

      • Johnny T

        You’re right Troy, it’s not something I would encourage, but far be it for me to tell consenting adults what they should or should not be doing in the privacy of their own homes.

  • Grumpy

    As a straight male, I have to say, that Sharia Law has a lot going for it.

    • Fozzie

       Sicko

      • Grumpy

        Dunno about that. Youtube has heaps of clips of poofs being hung from cranes in islamic countries and a lot of far left and even gay rights advocates think those countries are just great.

    • Gayguy

      Why am I not surprised. 

    • Mike Hunt

      Hope Jesus didn’t hear you say that

    • Greg

      ¬†Maybe a bit far Grumpy but you do get sick of hearing about homosexual rights day in day out. These homo’s appear happy on tv but in reality they are very confused people, go behind the scenes and I’m positive they would like to marry their opposite and have a happy family life.¬†¬†

  • Gayguy

    Most if not all of National will vote against it. 

    Disgusting comments from the homophobic Bill English to night on the news. 

    It is not a slam dunk, but fingers crossed this inequity in our country will soon be a thing of the past. 

    • Grumpy

      Bill is a catholic, surely he is allowed an opinion, or, is it only the left allowed to have them?

      • Troy

        If he was a private citizen, sure no problem, but what does his constitutents say?¬† He represents them and therefore should vote on what they think… this is where conscience votes are all really fucked up.¬† How¬†can we¬†possibly
        rely on the conscience of a politician?¬† I’d rather rely on a used carsalesman.

      • Gayguy

        I have MANY good catholic church going straight friends, none of them are homophobic like Bill English. 

      • Grumpy

        FFS sake, Troy, “represents his constituents” ???

        Ever been to Winton, Bill’s a bloody liberal!

      • Troy

        FFS yourself.  Go do a paper on what it means to represent people, you obviously have no fucking idea about politics Рwoops  you must be Labour.  Fucking goat.

      • grumpy

        Troy, I’ve done heaps of papers on all sorts of things – enough to realise you don’t learn anything from “doing papers”, you only learn enough to start learning.
        Learning happens in the real world, you will realise that when you get a bit older.

    • Johnny T

      He has the right to his religious beliefs. I believe that people have the right to believe that homosexuality is wrong.

      • Gayguy

        Just as I am allowed to grasp the understanding his objection (if based on faith) is a hypocritical one. 

      • Mike Hunt

        No one has any right to religious beliefs, this is the 21st century, get a fucking grip on reality

    • GregM

       Hmmmm, Not so sure about that Gayguy. If only half of National and Labour, plus all the Greens, vote for this it will get through.
      I hope it does, it pisses me off that my gay and lesbian friends don’t have the same rights and freedoms as I do.

  • C4D

    wouldn’t it be easier to find a cure?

    • Grumpy

      That should not be a problem. Some religious sects in the US have great success. The islamic nations don’t have many poofs either, so they must have a good system also.

      • Gayguy

        Haters are going to hate. 

      • Grumpy

        I’m sorry you feel thatvway, you remind me of Kosh.

        Heterophobic…….

      • Gayguy

        Given your comments on this Grumpy how can you be anything but a hater? You seem happy about gays being killed for being gay, how are you not a hater?

      • grumpy

        You must be mad if you think I think Islamists stringing people up from cranes is great.  I am pointing out how other cultures view poofs and the utter hypocracy of the left who think anything islamic is wonderful and anything judeo Рchristian is bad.

    • Gayguy

      Haters are going to hate. 

      • Realman

        ¬†Homo’s hate as well, they hate it when they get AIDS!

      • grumpy

        Nah Greg, they don’t.¬† They actually have orgies where they deliberately infect each other.¬† The reason? So they can bugger each other without condoms.

        Therein lies the real morality of the great poofter brotherhood.

    • Alloytoo

      Agreed, a cure for religion is definitely required.

  • Redneck

    Radical homosexual activists want to drag the wider culture into their moral abyss. And its all cloaked under the guise of “equal rights” and “fairness” – all of which are left-wing examples of the PC newspeak we are all subjected to these days.

    • Gayguy

      The only moral abyss is that of those who would deny a right to love. 

      • Caleb

        You are in denial and the only thing being denied is being denied by nature.

      • Gayguy

        I see you do not understand what is natural in nature. 

      • patriot

        G/Guy,
        ¬†Love who ever you choose — no issue with that , whatsoever — got that — love any one you choose¬†¬† ?

        The Marriage ceremony is between a man and wife¬† creating a Mr & Mrs … always has been & always will be . My wife wants to be married to her HUSBAND & i to my WIFE. … thats what Marriage is .

        Never will the definition of a Mrs¬†or wife-¬†include a male … so for 2 males — it remains a Civil Union that seals the relationship between them . Thats fine by most NZers

        Civil Union is all but the same as far as rights are concerned.¬† So if you want to be married — get a girl , mate . — get a Wife .

  • Greg

    They will have to allow brothers marrying sisters, fathers marring daughters, bigamy etc etc.  Incest will become legal Рit will happen if good people say nothing.  

    • grumpy

      I think you are drawing a long bow there Greg, it will only go as far as brothers marrying brothers or fathers marrying sons.¬† Can’t let those evil hetero’s have any fun…….

  • grandstream

    60 comments on an issue that last year impacted 89 non-family adoptions…….It may sound cold, but surely dont we have more relevant thinsg to worry about ?¬† Woudlnt it be nice if we focussed on building teh economy so that all kids, regardless of who adopted them, had a future and a good education.¬† Is it a tradegy that we have 4th geneation families where no one has ever worked ?

    • grumpy

      Correct, no topic better illustrates the hypocracy of the left.

      • Mike Hunt

        A. maybe those families should stop breeding and B. the popularity of this issue is due to modern societies condemnation of bigoted religious claptrap

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