Let ‘em go

ŠĒ• Stuff.co.nz

The Maori Party says it is consulting members on whether or not they should stay or go from their arrangement with National. They are still moaning about the facts of life:

Maori Party MPs will talk to their members over their future with National as Prime Minister John Key insists he is too busy to meet the minor party co-leaders about a row over water rights till next week.

In a show of solidarity with claimants pressing their case over water rights to the Waitangi Tribunal, Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia made an appearance at the hearings yesterday and refused to offer assurances over the future of the coalition with National.

Asked if it was the most serious rift yet between National and the Maori Party, she responded: “I don’t know whether I could say that, but I am really concerned about the fallout from it”.

She confirmed the co-leaders would be speaking to Maori Party council members and the future of the relationship rested with them.

“That’s for them to decide really.”

Here is the thing…the Waitangi Tribunal is yet to rule, so everyone is presupposing that they will rule that Maori own water…they might not. But if Maori are dead keen on owning water then we know precisely where to send the bill for damges the next time a flood happens with “their” water.

I’m pretty sure though that they will find life pretty chilly outside of the air conditioned comfort of ministerial BMWs. But National should just let them go…most legislation that has passed recently has been despite the Maori party not because of it.

National too will feel emboldened to promptly axe the wasteful spending sop to them that is Whanau Ora.

The Maori Party shouldn’t get too eager to run off and play opposition.

  • HeinB

    Time for this unholy alliance to end methinks.

  • Kiwidon

    The silent majority are really getting pissed off with these crazy claims! There would be a land slide victory If a snap election was held over this! (And the finite closing of all WT claims )

    • tarkwin

      Totally agree, the sooner the better. All the Maori party ever do is talk – they never actually accomplish anything and they are so easy to offend. I think Tariana’s loo roll emblem hat says it all.

      • Macca

        Well said Tarkwin. 

        ¬†What they can’t seem to grasp is that if it were’nt for so many of their own ilk on the benefit(s),¬† and the cost of keeping them all in jail AND this Treaty bullshit which is crippling the country – National would never have¬†had to even entertain the partial sell down of the assetts – 3% of them to be precise – something the left and the media¬†can’t seem to comprehend either!

  • Dr Wang

    Yes, the paternalistic instructions from David Shearer and Russell Norman for the Maori Party to walk (‘cos the wise old whiteys know best, eh bro) should be followed.

    The Maori Party¬†haven’t contributed one constructive thing to the coalition, just whinging and moaning. Even the drop-kicks on the GC tv programme show them up when it comes to having a positive attitude and getting ahead! All of NZ (and¬†consequently the Maori people too) would be better off if the National govt just got on with it without the handbrake Maori Party with their cargo-cult mentality dragging everyone down.

    • Mr Sackunkrak

      The Greens still haven’t told us their view on Maori wanting to hunt whales, hmmm.

  • @BoJangles

    Time to jettison the maori party from Govt. Will serve National well going forward to election 2014.
    In fact, the water ownership issue could be a godsend for that election’s main issue.

  • gazzaw

    I would love to see a snap election on this issue. It could just be the watershed that the majority of Kiwis are looking for to rid ourselves of the giant economic millstone that hangs around our necks. Shearer knows it and that is why he has backed away.   

  • Magoo

    Time for a referendum on the treaty I think.

    • gazzaw

      A binding referendum??

      • Magoo

        Well yes, a binding referendum. Hmmm, I see your point.

    • Scotia

      How  best to start this Referendum process ?

    • Mr_Blobby

      There is no way they would allow a referendum. The results would be a forgone conclusion. Throw the treaty out and get rid of the race based seats. Start the unmaorification of everything.

      • Phronesis

        Not necessarily, between the vested interests and the media there would be an orchestrated campaign of misinformation and name calling.

  • Paddles83

    I think its time that Key & Joyce spoke to the party and called a snap election right now.

    • Fozzie

      ¬†Looks like they are setting the stage and testing the water …….

      • Shanid

        hahahaa,whose water?

  • Wayne

    Agree with all the comments posted. But of course the Maori claim to water ownership is purely a smoke screen and leverage to secure a slice of the action once the partial asset sales commence.

    I say, thats fine, but stump with your money – you ain’t getting it for nothing under the guise of some loose Treaty arrangement, come settlement.¬†¬†

    Perhaps they can use some of the billions, we as Tax payers have already forked out to them.

  • jabba

    last year, both Sharples and Turia said they would retire by the 2014 election .. way before this latest spat, they changed their minds. Why was that I wonder. I would suggest that they know the Party are dead meat without them. Flavell was the likely leader in waiting and what a waste of space he is.

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    I think 85% of New Zealand would be perfectly fine with Key telling ‘em to fuck off.

  • Vlad

    I think stick with them.¬† JK has handled the relationship well, demonstrated that he wants to find the way forward for all NZr’s, Tariana Turia and Peter Sharples have been aspirational leaders for Maori.¬† It has been a good fit, let them continue to work together to lift up everybody.¬†¬† Will have its tough times but it has been a good thing for everybody.¬†

    • TravisPoulson

      Good thing for everyone my left foot, the maori party are a bunch self serving apartheid lovers.

    • Mr_Blobby

      With Travis on this. Tariana was always a complete waste of space, and pisshead sharples is nothing but a tired sad old generational apologist.

  • REAPER CREW

    let Tariana and Pita sit dressed in suits in a tree – branch managers

  • Good days ahead

    who besides Tarina and Pita are in the Maori Party, i’ve forgotten?

  • BR

    The racist Maori seats are what should go, along with any and all instances of the word “Maori” that appear in the NZ statute.

    Bill.

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    This will be the claim that “went too far”.¬† We don’t owe Maori a fucking thing.¬† All the usual fruit-loops were assembled before the Tribunal, and I’m sure,¬†like most I was visualising¬†reaching for a gun.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Well the precedent has been set. It was good enough for our very own home grown terrorist, the fat little tattooed womble, tama iti.

    • Mr Sackunkrak

      Yeah, my problem is that I’m not¬†a loser.

  • gazzaw

    What is really pissing me off now is the scare tactics being used by liabour, greens and the media to talk down the value of the Mighty River shares on the basis that future litigation will cause major problems. Effectively it is economic sabotage – those bastards care nothing about our country.

  • nzd.gbp

    I can’t imagine what kind of person would assert exclusive ownership over something so fundamental and irreplaceable to the survival of all humans. It is worse than any capitalist excess I’ve ever heard of. And surprise, it’s the left and their fairness and superior morality who are in the hot seat.¬†

    The wrong ruling on this, or even anything but the time spent throwing this claim out and condemning it and it’s motives entirely, invalidates the tribunal. The fact that shearer cannot make a clear statement of how abhorrent this is is amazing. The fact that he won’t because he might get some political milage over the evil elitist tories is beyond ironic.

    If, on the remote chance that this claim is upheld by the tribunal, and on the even more remote chance that the govt enforces it, then kiwis simply must, either leave the country and go to australia because clearly you are being ruled by lunatics, or, civil war. Tear up all founding documents and start again.

    • Mr Sackunkrak

      How about this, I claim gravity, its mine, so if Maori want “their” water kept in one place they better start paying me. Its not outrageous and I expect to be taken seriously. ¬†Oh, and I have a silly hat too. ¬†

      • nzd.gbp

        If you could define gravity then you wouldn’t need to bother yourself with these frivolous local politics. Actually, it’d be funny watching the court rule on whether your definition is correct. Just as funny as watching them seriously consider whether another ethnic group has ownership over 90% of my body and can therefore charge me rent.

      • Guest

        nzd, I have a full bladder, where’s a Moari to return it to?

      • nzd.gbp

        pass it as usual. just keep a receipt for the transaction.

      • Guest

        But I’m really bursting, shallI gust piss on the next one I see and let him/her pick it all up?

      • nzd.gbp

        Right, so you’re asking me if you should piss on a maori? Yeah perhaps you should. Hopefully they’ll remove you from this discussion for good.

    • Mr Sackunkrak

      How dare you laugh at my claim over gravity!¬† I shall get the Race Relations Concillator onto you, oh fuck wait, bugger, I’m white, that won’t work.¬† Where’s a taniwha when you need it?

    • Slethaby

      your missing the point (btw I’m not maori and would not benefit either way) they are slowing down the process of selling something our yes white people included helping build those companies put there blood and sweat into making them for the country not for a minority. that aside you don’t sell an income, i bet my left testicle on it John key would not sell a profitable asset that brings in cash flow. unless of course the debt (in this case) repayments were higher and or you could invest that money into another asset with higher expected returns. cool to have an opinion nzb.ghp but its hard not to look silly without looking at the whole picture. for example my father has invested for year an accountant and was considering the shares for his own benefit as he did well with vector. but however, we had a fair chat his side and mine 30 years younger and he eventually agreed, like Gareth morgan and others. this is a disaster waiting to happen John key has his little bit on the side his little lobbying his excuse of mandate and traveling lol ignorance. i used to and may vote for them in years to come but you ¬†don’t sell your income end of story¬†

      • nzd.gbp

        No you’re missing the point and I don’t care what colour you are so no need to tell me. I read your piece and then came to “cool to have an opinion but hard not to look silly blah blah blah” and then it became really difficult to bother but I’m not better than you so I persevere despite the insults.

        So you are happy to have water ownership be considered because it slows down the process of partial asset sales. Good for you. Despite the damage it could do to race relations in NZ or the regard that the waitangi tribunal will lose. Okay fine. I also have an opinion about whether govts should own assets and what the criterion are but that’s a different discussion.

  • Caleb

    Who pays for the tribunal?

    Where are the minutes and video records?

    Is it not for the public to be informed on what is being said in the tribunal, what are the arguements and who is making them?

    This is treasonous. 

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    Caleb, its our fault for being so accommodating with these people, we even set up Tribunals for them to have a go at us, and pay for it all.¬† We are neutered in our own land.¬† If “Prof” Mutu can get away with “kill a whitey and die a hero”¬† then I should be allowed to say kill a black cunt, but I would end up with condemnation from another silly Commission.

  • Caleb

    Chief Judge Wilson Isaac called a 20-minute break after iwi taking part in an urgent water claim hearing warned that the Prime Minister’s comments risked “a race war”

    …Im glad there was someone there sticking up for the majority of NZ…¬†

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    Dusting off his 308 here.

  • nzd.gbp

    The only reasonable outcome is that the tribunal declare they have no jurisdiction over the ownership of water and can formulate no new legal opinion on the matter. Claimant will pay all court costs. Case dismissed.

    • Cap

      Actually I’d like some compo from Maori for the repression and injustice of it all, won’t hold my breath tho, money only flows one way in racial bullshit bingo

  • Random66

    I hope you are right nzd.gbp.¬† I can’t believe what Maori are getting ownership of these days.¬† I’ld better recheck my blood lines!¬† Thanks for the laugh Mr Sack… great stuff.

    • Mr Sackunkrak

      No.  Certain Maori set them selves up for bring the whole race into disrepute.

  • nzd.gbp

    Using this as an excuse to have a go at Maori is pretty piss poor too. It’s bigger than your petty racism.

    • Mr Sackunkrak

      Ah yes, the race card, that was soon to be brought out.

      • nzd.gbp

        you’re just a bit grumpy because we aren’t mates, and you thought you’d found a fellow racist to rant with.

    • Random66

      I presume you were speaking to me nzd.¬† I actually didn’t think I was racist, but perhaps I am warming to the idea, albeit selectively.¬† If one ethnic group of people can elevate themselves to a positon of supremacy over others, to the extent that they can claim ownership of something so vital to life as water (of which they did not make),then why should they be surprised or indeed take offense when others take issue with their behaviour.¬† You call it racist, I call it survival.

      • nzd.gbp

        I’d agree with you if it was possible for one ethnic group to elevate themselves over another, but it’s not. We’re not interconnected or able to claim the understanding of others of our type. These are individual choices, and you’ve just stated yours. I’m not saying you’re not allowed to, I just don’t think it’s correct.

  • Slethaby

    I love coming to this website to check out how ignorant and one sided some in fact most people are in this, it seems to me to be a bit of a venting website, so vent away lol. Im afraid tho that i have to present the facts as difficult as they are to understand for some, the Maori party are doing a very very good thing for the country if they actually manage to stop the sales, if the get water rights then thats just collateral damage, John keys ignorant agenda of selling these assets as a mandate i can understand but why would he sell the most profitable first. If it was me and or anyone with a fair understanding of economics sell the least profitable of lowest potential of being profitable first but don’t break the cardinal rule, don’t ever ever ever sell your cash-flow unless the cash-flow underweights the debt your paying off. I would love to see one of you to dispute that last sentence without looking like a … use your imagination¬†

    • nzd.gbp

      You love coming here to smirk at all the ignoramuses and yet you think partial asset sales is a bigger issue than who owns water? Righto.

    • Guest

      Fuck, what planet are you from?

  • Slethaby

    very funny website but interesting all the same i guess credit is due there.  

    • Pukakidon

      Slethaby
       I hope you are seeking help from a psychiatrist for your narcissistic personality disorder.   You strike me as a very dangerous individual, please stick to your meds.

  • Mr Sackunkrack

    Oh fuck it, if you are both preared to let Maori destroy value then more fool you.¬† The bigger issue is sovergienty over earth, water and air, the kind of stuff we all need, if you want to pussy foot around these fuckers then I’m, going to have to buy a Koran and get extreme, its about the same.¬†

  • Greg M

    What pisses me off the most is the fact that most of the anti apartheid protestors from the 80’s, (and I was one of them), are now the same people that are advocating this shit.
    Snap election now.

  • Tigger NZ

    I think the correct phrase is haere rńĀ , Maori party ..

  • kowtow

    Th problem with so much of this so called indigenous and rights issues these days,is that it is left to a couple or 3  legal types in wigs.
    The Queens Courts are presided over by activist types these days and they are no longer interested in important legal principles but in advancing social causes.

    Referenda is the way to go.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/alina.crisan.355 Alina Crisan

    Justice should be done: http://www.petitiononline.co.nz/petition/petition-for-an-urgent-snap-election-for-the-nz-people/1441

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