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The Huddle

by Whaleoil on July 24, 2012

I was on The Huddle  last night, with Susan Wood and Josie Pagani.

The topics were were:

  • The Colorado Batman massacre – no doubt Josie will explain to us all that the US needs to ban guns ignoring the fact that criminals ignore laws an all a ban does is disarm law-abiding citizens.
  • The lack of protestors at National conference.
  • Te Reo bullshit

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  • Orange

    That was atrocious. Those women basically made it unlistenable. They interrupted you but didn’t allow you to point out how their arguments were lies. Every argument you made they replied with “the laws are the problem”, and every argument in favour of good laws they replied with “he was crazy and would find a way around them or ignore them”. Listen you stupid women, the criminal was smart, he can work out how to get the weapons he wants legally or illegally. But they clearly don’t care about the situation, just pushing their dysfunctional wheelbarrow.

    • Grandstream

      Cam – You did well to put up with those rude cows. You were obvioulsy raised with manners.  Cant believe you put up with their BS for so long……,..

    • Ben

      Yeah Orange, it’s just by chance that a serious gun related massacre happened yet again in the States huh. Yeah, because he’s smart he could work out out how to get the weapons regardless aye? It’s a done deal right? even if their society wasn’t obsessed with firearms, he still would’ve treated obtaining an arsenal of weaponry the only viable option huh? and like me, you’re the type of person to have a serious home security system (cameras, motion detectors, etc….) to stop all of those roaming bands of blacks and arabs from robbing your house and raping your wife right?

       

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        Don;t be an idiot…The Oklahoma Bombing was committed with hundres killed by mixing diesel and fertiliser, I don’t see people calling for a ban on those.

      • Euan Rt

        It is hard to follow what your rant is really about here Ben, but I do seem to remember just recently a bunch of renegades running around in the bush here in NZ, with semi automatic weapons who had dubious intent; and we have some of the strictest laws on gun control. I also remember some shootups in Oz where there are also quite strong gun controls. So yes these kinds of massacres are going to happen wherever you get a mad man with the ability to arm himself.

      • Euan Rt

        …and this by Kevin Liptsk of CNN, 

        “The killer in Norway was in a country that had very strict gun-control laws, and yet he was still able to acquire the necessary means to initiate and carry out a mass slaughter,” McCain said. 

      • Evadne

         You can’t link these sorts of incidents to gun laws – they are premeditated, and relate to a lot more complicated issues.  The UK has extremely tight gun laws – the Cumbrian shooter also killed 12 people.  This was over 2 hours, though – the shortage of guns in the public & police meant he couldn’t be stopped.  Not forgetting the Norwegian shootings – another country with tough gun laws.  There should always be debate around gun laws (as anything) but reasoned and informed debate, not hysterical reactionary nonsense.  To ban something because it could be used wrongly is ridiculous.  ANYTHING can be misused.

      • Johnbronkhorst

        What are the gun laws like in Norway…Ander Brevik?….Finland several mass shootings over the past 10 years, that guy in Scotland about 20 years ago killed that teacher and school kids. New Zealand …Aramoana?…..Varrying levels of gun laws all around the world…USA is NOT the only place or the worst case. It is no more prevelent in a population of 300+ million with the “right to bare arms” than it is here in a population of 4+ million with gun control remember they have over 75 times the population that we have, on the numbers, if they had one a year we would have one every 75 years……REALLY???? Need to look elseware for your answers!!

      • Ben

        And yet there are more gun related deaths per capita in America. Can one of you geniuses tell me why that is? By all means pull out some more isolated examples to add weight to your argument

      • Dion

        We’ve had mass shootings in both Norway and Finland in recent years.

        You think that’s because of THEIR firearms laws?

  • gazzaw

    If the Colorado nutter hadn’t had access to guns he would have manufactured bombs or used incendiary devices.

    • Euan Rt

      he did

  • chump

    If the Gun Lobby (and yourself) are so adamant that The Right to Bear Arms is an inalienable right for defense, then why there not other members in the audience carrying firearms ready to defend themselves against this nutter? 
    From State Patrol website:Colorado allows a person to carry a firearm in a vehicle, loaded or unloaded, if its use is for lawful protection of such person or another’s person or property. [C.R.S. 18-12-105(2)] Colorado law also allows a person to possess a handgun in a dwelling, place of business, or automobile. However, you cannot carry the weapon concealed on or about your person while transporting it into your home, business, hotel room, etc. N.B.Local jurisdictions may not enact laws that restrict a person’s ability to travel with a weapon. [C.R.S. 18-12-105.6] 

    And you people still believe that Lax Gun laws aren’t responsible for the massacres that we learn of with regularity? Yeah, you can blame gun laws. 

    • Johnbronkhorst

      IDIOT…The right to bear arms…..Doesn’t make it compulsory IDIOT

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Please get teh terminology correct. It is the RIght to keep and bear arms.

      I would bet the cinema complex bans handguns…these coward criminals always attack where they won’t be shot back at.No one goes on a rampage at a gun range or a guns tore for some strange reason.

      • BR

         It actually say that the right to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. The framers of the constitution considered the right of self defence to be inalienable, and that no government should ever be allowed to in any way diminish it.

        Bill.

  • GregM

    You did very well Cam. Any bloke entering into a talkfest with two females is usually a recipe for disaster.
    Chump, Colorado law also states that you may not carry a firearm into a movie theatre. The law abiding folk were un armed, the criminal wasn’t.

    • chump

      Isn’t a Movie Theatre a place of Business?

  • jonno1

    At least Josie managed a weak joke at the end. In every other respect the ladies were totally outclassed. I was particularly disappointed in Susan Wood who usually does a passable job (she’s no Larry Williams though!).

  • parorchestia

    Cam – don’t let the rude b…s stop you.. Just keep talking in a calm and collected manner through their interruptions. They will soon get the message.

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