Waste of money

ŠĒ• Stuff.co.nz

The Auckland Council has voted to spend up large so that Pam Corkery and her bogan mates can watch taxis race around Pukekohe. The ratepayers and taxpayers take one in the chook again:

The New Zealand V8 Supercars race will move back to Auckland’s Pukekohe raceway for the first time since 2007.

Government funding of more than $2 million has helped Auckland secure the race.

New Zealand has hosted an annual round of the V8 Supercar Championship since 2001, first in Auckland at Pukekohe and as a street race in Hamilton since 2008.

But last year Audit New Zealand issued a damning report of the processes involved in Hamilton’s hosting of the event.

Auckland Mayor Len Brown recently suggested the super city would take over hosting the race again from this year.

That was confirmed after the city’s strategy and finance committee voted in favour of a proposal to host the race – at a cost of $10.5 million over five years to ratepayers.

Taxpayers will also be picking up part of the tab.

Economic Development Minister Steven Joyce said the Government’s Major Events Development Fund would make a one-off investment of up to $2.2m to support infrastructure upgrades in Auckland.

The money will go towards an upgrade of Pukekohe Park Raceway in time for the 2013 championship.

 

  • ConwayCaptain

    Rudman reports in todya’sZH that auditors on BOTH sides of teh Tasman have hammered these V8 races for badanagement, poor returns etc.

    This is just Loopy trying to be “one of the boys”

    • le sphincter

      Hes out of town !

      Remember Banks big spend of about a million to try to get a street circuit around Victoria  Park.  One of the boys ?. Luckily   Hamilton pinched it from under Banks  nose

      • gazzaw

        You would have thought then that Len would have learned from Banks’ experience.

  • logical

    Ratepayers hard earned money that is needed for other things straight into the pockets of a bunch of Australians.!

  • Doc

    Remind me again what has changed in the last 5yrs out at Pukekohe since AVESCO last tossed their toys and stormed out, claiming that the venue wasn’t up to scratch?

    • Pin

      ¬†Dead right Doc…I’m picking they are still r-soles to deal with!

    • Michael Duke

      Nothing has changed.  Although there is a MUCH better venue about 20 mins down the road that was not considered because Motorsport NZ are a pack of wankers.

  • excuse me

    Damn looney Len and and his “cake and circuses” approach to governance. Auckland City has to endure totally irresponsible leadership at a time when everyone – except Auckland Council – has to learn to live within its means.

    It’s up to Key’s Government to get this lot under control, but I see that Steven Joyce has also put State money into this car-racing vortex of spending.

    I simply do not believe the “economic benefits” studies that are used to justify theft of my rates to pay for the entertainment of minority petrol-heads.

    • logical

      How bizarre! Joyce has put money into this Australian venture but he wont pay to fix NZ’s railway to Gisborne.

      It appears National is losing its way.They should be restraining Councils waste , not joining in.

    • 4077th

      Maybe a minority in your world, I think you will find it has a significant following

      • gazzaw

        In which case it should be ‘user pays’. Just stick the ticket prices up by $20¬†and/or¬†increase the sponsorship & TV fees.

      • excuse me

        It’s a minority in anybody’s world. What does your “significant mean? Pathetic argument.

    • Mr_Blobby

      ‚ÄúEconomic benefit‚ÄĚ Let‚Äôs have a look at economic benefits. I run a business that operates all year. I along with most other businesses generate massive economic benefit to the economy; in return I am expected to make a profit, pay extortionate taxation to subsidize the non productive sector. Have to deal with a, war zone, mine field of regulations with very serious consequences for any lapse. Pay a rating differential 5 times the residential rate to subsidize residential rates.
      Where are my VIP seats and free food and drink?
      I think our so called elected officials, are so full of there own importance that they, forget who it is they are representing, or who it is they are working for.

  • Bcwhitehead

    Pukekohe’s been out of favour for a while & hasn’t had much improvement since then, meanwhile, not much further south is the new track at Hampton Downs, which is argueably a better track.

    • Top Bloke

      Yeah but Hamption Downs is in Waikato. I doubt Auckland rate payers would agree to their $$ being spent there.

      • Bcwhitehead

        ¬†I know, which underlines the point I was making, it’s not the best track available & a better one is only 1/2 an Hr away, also Pukekohe suffers from noise complaints, whereas at Hampton Downs, the cows don’t really care.

    • beanyboy

      Yes it is in Waikato so would not attract any support from Council. Plus has to sort it’s resource consent as it doesn’t have resource consent for enough spectators.

      • beanyboy

        Actually no they don’t have problems with noise, there is a db restriction as there should be, but it is part of life in Pukekohe

    • WayneO

      Hampton downs are on the outer with Motorsport NZ over various stupid details, mostly revolving around stubborn wankers with big egos. 

      For the fans it is a FAR better prospect. Being a dedicated modern motorsport  venue without any distractions (businesses or horses) the costs are minimal, basically a traffic management plan and some security. 

  • le sphincter

    its just a pork barrel project for the Franklin councillor, and he agrees with some other councillors wish list in return.
    the good news its a committee so could be overturned by full council

  • beanyboy

    Rudman complaining about it what a surprise, yet he has his pet theatres he wants rate payers to subsidise. The reality is that The V8’s will be enjoyed by more people in one weekend than Mr Rudmans dumb theatre could hope to attract in a year. Second of all his banging on is irrelevant as in the case of Hamilton, they agreed to underwrite losses. Auckland is not, the contribution is capped. Given the amount of rate payer money that was spent on the RWC for what turned out to be bogus financial windfalls for businesses I don’t think the “modest” amounts being spent here are over the top. I can tell you that 2 clients who own Auckland based rental car companies had where down on normal trade over the period of the RWC. I note the medias reporting is not overly accurate either, with the contrbution capped at 10.5M over 5 years and the return expected is $7m per year. I have heard people bang on saying it was an economic failure at Pukekohe, it wasn’t it went to Hamilton because a street race was desired. Hamilton was a disaster, the orginal promotor (who stole the V8’s promotion¬†from his employer IMG) is now bankrupt and is being investigated by liquidators for dodgy dealings, I too was concerned the council will be left carrying the can, but they have made sure they are not. Should the V8’s stop coming here, the money spent on upgrading Pukekohe will continue being enjoyed by users of the facility so it won’t be wasted. and yes I’m a petrol head and a resident of Pukekohe. How much was put into the Volvo Ocean race by the council? What was the return? V8 Supercars is watched in as many, if not more countries than rugby, it is currently expanding worldwide, a bit of exposure¬†on international television is a definate bonus

    • 4077th

      +1 Beany..

    • Mr_Blobby

      Your right beanyboy there is only so much discretionary money to go around. Money spent on one off sports events will be at the expense of something else. The RWC was a classic example. The benefits criminally overstated. When the statement that 50000 people would come to NZ for the RWC in reality 40000 would have been here anyway. Locals made up the vast majority of ticket sales. Local businesses especially hospitality outside of fan zones, Taxi companies, other tourist centers all lost money. Still DonKey did get to stuff up his speech and try for a 3 way and the hangers on got to big note.

  • Meg

    I just do not get motor sports at all.

    If people want to watch cars go round and round in circles, go sit at a round about. Its free and it doesn’t cost Auckland rate payers a cent for you to do it.

    • beanyboy

      We all like different things Meg, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it shouldn’t happen.

      • Meg

        If we cannot afford it, or the cost outweighs the income, then it shouldnt happen on the taxpayers dime.

      • beanyboy

        $10.5 M over 5 years, $7m per year return, $25m profit. Even allowing for 50% overstatement of return still $7m return. All losses underwritten by V8 Supercars hmmm completely different to Hamilton

      • gazzaw

        $7 mill a year return? Who to beanyboy? Will that be used to reduce our rates?

        I am not against the V8s just against the ratepayers paying for them. Should be user pays just like Rudmans theatre, libraries, swimming pools & international soccer matches.

      • beanyboy

        Who was the return to on the RWC Gazzaw?

      • gazzaw

        I omitted that Beany Boy. Yup should have been user pays plus central government as there was a national spin off. A City Councils function is essential services – nothing more, nothing less.

      • le sphincter

        The RWC cost the ratepayers $45 mill extra ¬†above what the Govt paid for the stadium.The called it a loan…. but no ones fooled
        Ask Banks about his promise for ‘not one cent’

      • gazzaw

        Don’t care whether its Banks, Brown or Jesus Christ himself l’arsehole. It’s all the same to me. A councils function is essential services.

      • Mr_Blobby

        Will the losses be underwritten by the Supercars or will they just pack there carpet bags and leave town. They will take any profit but in the event of a loss, how would you collect once the $100 shelf company is wound up. Any suppliers to the event would be very unwise to extend credit and ask for payment up front. Look at the RWC scams that went on. The mystical magical 7Millon return would have spent anyway.
        No, like racing but it is a commercial for profit event not a public service. The promoter puts up the capital and takes any profit/loss, not rocket science.

      • excuse me

        She’s not saying it shouldn’t happen, she’s saying pay for it yourselves. You’re trying to put words in her mouth.

        If the financial “return” is anywhere near as good as you maintain, the petrol-heads should be falling over themselves to make the investment. They don’t want to? Well tough, don’t make us ratepayers and taxpayers pay for what the actual followers of the “sport” won’t pay for.

  • beanyboy

    There is one glaring error in the criticism levelled at V8 Supercars, and that is people like Brian Rudman bring up these Audit Reports on Hamilton, Canberra and Sydney street races, but they are street races and Pukekohe is a permanant circuit, they are completely different, there is massive disruption and cost in setting up a street circuit, there is zero in Pukekohe. Go to Pukekohe on any Friday, Saturday or Sunday 9/10 times there are¬†cars on the circuit it is part of the identity of Pukekohe. Supercars is expanding into the US next year and it already receives coverage on TV over there, its more than just a car race it’s about brand Auckland.

    • Ford

      then after racing entertainment one can take in the sights of the pissed meatheads and slappers staggering and vomitting their way up and down queen st..

      • gazzaw

        I’m with you on this one Ford. Has any extra policing & security been allowed for in the V8 budget?

      • Mr_Blobby

        Would like to agree FORD, but the likelihood is that they will preload on cheap booze from the supermarket on the way out. The pissed meatheads and slappers will then stagger and vomit there way around the track, Top up at the track and then drive home pissed.

      • WayneO

        You’re all completely full of shit. Especially you Blobby, but you’re always a negative wanker.

        The general consensus from the Hamilton V8 experience is that the punters are extremely well behaved and limit their drinking. In fact during those weekend there were less arrests than usual. They spend much more on dining and restaurants in the region and maybe spring for 1 or 2 bottles of quality wine. The pub and bar / heavy drinking scene remained relatively normal. 

        V8 fans are your average middle aged male, small to medium business owners, with large house, high value vehicles, high disposable income and generally quite successful. They spend $$ in the region quite happily.

      • Mr_Blobby

        WayneO . Have been to the Indy car race in surfers twice, so I do have some idea of what I am talking about. So why don’t you go spank your monkey somewhere else.

    • excuse me

      “… its more than just a car race it’s about brand Auckland”.

      That’s just a last desperate effort in the absence of a quantifiable argument for somebody else to pay for your favourite entertainment.

  • TravisPoulson

    Happy they’re “wasting” money on this. Awesome!

    • le sphincter

      Compared to the $1.5 million Banks blew on My Fair Lady, maybe 100,000 could have a good time

  • TayheiNotts

    Hampton Downs is too close to the bogans’ second home, Springhill.

  • Mr_Blobby

    By all means have a car race or anything else for that matter. But remember it is a commercial for profit event not a public service. Why does it have to be subsidized by everybody?
    The Government Ministers, MP’s and Councilors will get the VIP treatment for free.
    Conflict of Interest, when the key decision makers are rewarded for making a yes decision.

  • tarkwin

    At last a reason to be happy about living up north!

  • gazzaw

    I know that the Horrid readers poll is highly suspect but have just checked out todays offering on the councils V8 decision. The results are resounding enough to absorb any margin for error and reflects what a stupid decision Len has made and his total misreading of the ratepayers. 11% are pro with 12% mildly interested in attending. 49% emphatically against, 24% not interested in car racing & 4% not happy with Pukekohe as a venue.

    • beanyboy

      Hahaha you are taking a herald poll as being proof of ratepayers feelings? I didn’t vote I know a lot of people who stopped reading the herals months ago

      • TravisPoulson

        The Herald lost any credibility with this mornings front page. Last night Shane Cameron knocked seven shades of shit out of Monte Barret with a 4th round knockout, what was on the front page? 2 stupid bimbos without an ounce of intelligence or boxing talent. 

        I mean seriously, how insulting to Camerons epic win. Jaimee Ridge described Rosanna Arkle as “a great component”. This coming from a alleged law student, if this girl represents the future of our country, we’re fucked.¬†

        There’s my irrelevant rant for today.¬†

      • Ford

        travis..goes to show the feminist sexist attitude of the media..feminist dictatorship and pandering to women no matter how much of a joke it looks like

      • Pukakidon

         The thing is, the two silly girlie boxers have probably more intelligence than the silly girls who work in the media.   They are a disgrace to journalism. 

      • WayneO

        A disgrace to journalism and boxing. Cameron is now world class so the Herald takes the tabloid route. Fucking poor.

        Bob Jones summed it up with his comment about how it’s a good night but ruined by chucking a “couple of tarts” in the ring. Absolutely true.

      • TravisPoulson

        WayneO: Sir Bob was right with that comment, but being a ‘Sir’ has gone to his head. He did a good job at portraying himself as an arrogant snarky old cunt with some of his comments, or maybe it was glass he was holding…

    • Ford

      puke…its those stupid girls in the media that decide what goes in the paper or theyll print misandrist manhating shit all over the front page instead

  • MrV

    V8’s haven’t been good in NZ since the Wellington street-race, and even that was controversial.

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