Crusher Voting For Marriage Equality

Judith Collins has confirmed she is voting for Louisa Wall’s Bill.

GayNZ.com reports

But, speaking briefly to GayNZ.com Daily News yesterday afternoon as she left Auckland’s Aotea Centre after helping open a Human Rights Commission conference encouraging diversity and ‘a fair go for all,’ Collins said of marriage equality: “I’ve got no problem with it.”

On enabling same-sex couples to legally adopt children she responded: “I’ve got no particular problem with that either.”

There you go.  No big deal. Not that hard is it?

  • LesleyNZ

    Well that changes everything. The National Party has changed dramatically. It is no longer the National Party I knew. Is John Banks starting another party in time for the next election?

    • Pete George

      They are starting to reflect the thinking of younger generations, which is a good thing for the future (whether you agree with marriage equality or not).

      • alex

        Agree. It has been issues like this that Labour has traditionally used to bolster its “modern, with it” credentials, while making National look like a bunch of dinosaurs. The point I make to the “conservative right” is that this issue ultimately has little impact so its not worth dying in the ditch over it. Turn your guns on things that really matter, like the number of irresponsible reproduction that it occurring, and the elevation of crass consumerism in our economic, social and cultural policy. .

        • LesleyNZ

          So I die in the ditch.
          Cameron – thanks for the “edit” option now when commenting – can now correct any missed words/grammar etc

        • Dr Wang

          Alex – I agree with your first point, but if it’s such a non-important matter is it worth screeching at a huge chunk of those that voted National last election that they are now “bigots” and “homophobes”? They haven’t been consulted on this, just shouted down. Winston has been as cunning as usual (claiming a referendum is the only fair way) and Conservative party will now appear attractive to some former Nat voters too – how this is handled will tell a lot of National voters if their vote was appreciated or just taken for granted.

        • Pete George

          There are some who seem to genuinely think that civilisation will die in a ditch if this tweak towards equality occurs. But I agree, the actual impact will be big for a few who are currently excluded from marriage, and for the rest of us it will make no difference at all.

          Except that most of us will know we have been a part of supporting an equalisation of rights whose time had come, with significantly stronger support from the younger voters, hence it’s a good sign that (some in) National is moving with the times.

          • http://unsolicitedious.wordpress.com/ Unsolicitedious

            ” for the rest of us it will make no difference at all” – funny that a small section of society (represented by the number of dislikes comments from you or people like me get) really don’t get this.

            Such stupidity never ceases to amaze me; if your marriage is so easily affected by the relationships of complete strangers then clearly you have a shit marriage and you would be far better off logging off here and making an effort to ensure you have a relationship worthy of being called marriage.
            But when you spread the nasty online then chances are you spread the nasty in your personal lives – toxic people are exactly that. It is unlikely one can go from being derogatory, rude, condescending & judgmental online to kind, considerate, honest, forgiving & empathetic at home.

          • DJ

            It will also create new jobs for “priests” who are prepared to marry same sex couples. Win – win.

        • Tony

          How far back do you ned to go in order to be ‘traditional’? 1960’s Labour was as socially conservative as National. What we are seeing here is a new fracture within the political establishment. Where once it was based largely upon economics, there seems to be a sociallly-based gap developing which may see socially conservative Labour, National and NZF go somewhere else. I don’t consider the Greens as they have been putting the ‘mental’ into enviromental for years.

          • LesleyNZ

            Very true Tony. Am thinking along these lines and so are many of my friends. The political spectrum has changed dramactically over the past 6-10 years and is now quite blurred. A new party could well emerge before the next election to take the more conservative vote.

          • Gayguy

            And given the current NZ, it would also die at the next election.

      • LesleyNZ

        And what the younger generation is the best and right? Hmmmmm….. National has now become much much closer to Labour now.

        • http://unsolicitedious.wordpress.com/ Unsolicitedious

          Lesley you seem like the kind of person who refuses to accept the speed limit is now 100km so still drive at 80km – refusal to accept that society and the things it values has changed just makes you the kind of person that pisses a lot of people off.

          Harping on that marriage is your word (as you have done time & time again on these posts) is the same as harping on about no longer being able to by a 50c lollie mixture or worse about how you used to be able to get a pint of milk for a few pence!

          Age is not necessarily synonymous with wisdom and when it comes to marriage equality young people have got it right; they recognise that personal relationships already deemed acceptable by the law as being exactly that – personal.
          As for “Well that changes everything. The National Party has changed dramatically. ” well, thank God for that.

          Society and politics evolve. Refusing to accept and acknowledge this doesnt mean you are smart, it just means you are a dinosaur.
          Right wing politics typically rests on the notion that inequality is inevitable and therefore pushes for a darwinistic type approach (survival of the fittest – e.g. no welfare) rather than legislate everyone within an inch of their life like the left so as to create some kind of level playing field.
          A move to redefine the Marriage Act so that it does not discriminate against a section of society whom the law has already stated can form sexual relationships, is in line with right wing politics.
          The only reason why some feel it is not because they are intertwining church and state – regardless of whether they consider themselves to be religious.
          Anti gay sentiments of any kind stem from religion.
          P.S the edit function has been part and parcel of this blog for ages……another thing young people tend to figure out quickly!

          • Guest

            I really think thats a bit rich from you accusing Lesley of harping on , when she is simply airing her views, now stop being such a hypocrite and learn how to take a dose of your own medicine and stop judging people because they have different views from your own.
            Some people on here may enjoy Lesleys point of view?

          • http://unsolicitedious.wordpress.com/ Unsolicitedious

            “stop being such a hypocrite….stop judging people because they have different views from your own”

            How about you re-read that very carefully, then go back and read Lesley et al comments very carefully then come back and try and say that again with a straight face! Funny stuff.

            What you are inferring is that those who object to gay marriage, who claim that marriage is defined only by how they view it thereby passing judgment based on sexual orientation, are allowed a free pass (on here), but those standing up for the such people are being judgmental. That has got to be the most retarded grasp of logic I have read in ages!

          • Guest

            Retarded grasp of logic? I rest my case!!!!

          • LesleyNZ

            Judith is great – agree.

        • Gayguy

          It was your type that would have been all in favor of slavery back in the day.

          • LesleyNZ

            Calm down Gayguy. You are being silly.

          • Gayguy

            The truth is never silly Lesley. Well except to those trying to pretend it isnt the truth.

          • LesleyNZ

            The truth sets you free.

          • Gayguuy

            Why do you think haters are so scared of it.

          • LesleyNZ

            Scared of what?

    • le sphincter

      Banks is the proverbial dead parrot! Killed off by Mallards reveals about his shonky election bribes/donations and his false declarations

      • Gazzaw

        Threadjacking again l’arsehole. What the fuck has Mallard’s ‘reveals’ got to do with Collins’ vote on gay marriage?

      • Tony

        Arse-muscle – you are a sad person with little grip on reality (although it would seem a much tighter grip on other things)

      • Gazzaw

        ‘Liking’ your own posts again I see Spink.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        Stay on topic or disappear at the push of the moderation button.

        • davewin

          Oh Please Cameron – can I be the one to push his button!

      • pukakidon

        Who are the three people who have been arse liking on here?

        • Gayguy

          Oh look another hater out and about I see.

    • 2ndAmendment

      The National Party has changed dramatically. It is no longer the National Party I knew.

      Hell yeah. The National Party used to stand:

      “To promote good citizenship and self-reliance; to combat communism and socialism; to maintain freedom of contract; to encourage private enterprise; to safeguard individual rights and the privilege of ownership; to oppose interference by the State in business, and State control of industry”.

      What happened?

    • Rodger T

      LoL, John Banks has just outed himself as a gibbering idiot,
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10828170

      • LesleyNZ

        That is your opinion of course Rodger. Talk of Genesis creation and things of the Christian religion sure do get some all wound up. Is it not just as idiotic to believe in evolution? Either nothing created something out of nothing or something created something out of nothing. I wonder how many other politicians from all sides of the house also believe in the Genesis creation?

        • http://unsolicitedious.wordpress.com/ Unsolicitedious

          That is something we definitely agree on Lesley. Evolution has its place, but to argue it created everything whilst ensuring nothing was duplicated (finger prints & same specie markings etc) makes far less sense than believing God created it all (ignoring Adam & Eve vs Adam = mankind debate).

        • Rodger T

          Abiogenesis and evolution are two different subjects,just because you do not understand the scientific method it does not render it incorrect.
          The evidence for evolution is overwhelming ,while the hypothesis of abiogenesis is under constant examination by the science fraternity.
          Your Abrahamic God hypothesis is only one of many varied creation myths.
          I personally prefer the evidence of science over the assertion of religious preachers.
          FYI,I voted for John the last mayoral elections and would do so again in the absence of any credible opposition, just because we disagree on some subjects does not mean we are on opposite sides of the fence.
          I doubt you would be voting for John if he espoused the Hindu,Buddhist Shinto or any other religious creation myth.

          • LesleyNZ

            What is the evidence?

          • Rodger T

            I am a little gobsmacked ,that in the 21st century Leslie you have to ask that question,but here goes.
            To save myself time I will post this link,feel free to ignore it.
            http://www.evolution.mbdojo.com/evolution-for-beginners.html

            It explains Natural selection,Genetic drift Mutations etc.
            I will also post this link, because I can see this one coming next from experience,
            http://www.evolution.mbdojo.com/theory.html

            I suspect Leslie you really don`t want to understand science and that you are far more comfortable with religion,thats fine but you need to be honest about it.
            Do you really believe the earth is flat, cos` thats what your bible tells you.
            I would be interested in how you think your god created everything fully formed and out of what and who or what created your god is the next question if everything needs a creator.

            The only difference between you and I Leslie ,is that I believe in one less god than you.

          • Tony

            my understanding is that there remains gaps in the THEORY of Evolution. If there are gaps it requires FAITH to join the gaps. Therefore, there is lttle actual difference between genesis and evolution when it comes to faith.

          • Rodger T

            If that is your “understanding” then you obviously did not follow any of the links and is quite understandable why in this day and age you still use the creationist “god of the gaps” argument.
            My suggestion before you attempt to understand anything of scientific value ,would be to check a dictionary in regards to the use of the word theory.
            The theory of gravity is easily tested ,but I suspect you have “faith” in that one.

          • Tony

            I used the term ‘understanding’ b/c it is polite. Evolution still has gaps. That is a fact. You cannot directly trace the evolution of humanity. That is a fact. I am not saying that I don’t believe in Evolution, however what I am saying is that a degree of faith (greater or lesser) is required to be an adherent in both Evoutional, creationism or intelligent design.
            By the way – don’t try to talk down to people – it doesn’t help your cause.

        • parorchestia

          Evolution is a fact, so I am not an idiot in accepting it.

          • Tony

            you need to read more and think more

      • parorchestia

        OMG I agree. What a twit! Evolution is a fact as well established as the the world’s roundness so I am deeply suspicious of people with such entrenched and anti-rational views. How can they act in our interests in matters depending on sane evaluation of facts and evidence? It’s the death of ACT – who would vote for them ever again?

        • LesleyNZ

          So are you still evolving parorchestia – or have you stopped?

          • parorchestia

            We have all evolved. You confuse the fact of evolution, which is irrefutable, with the mechanisms by which it occurred and which are still debated. And personal insults from a person who, like JB, accepts the word of half-mad silly old men writing in a desert and then, centuries later, re-writing again, should be ignored. The question is can we trust a person who denies facts? Has JB killed ACT?

          • LesleyNZ

            No I am not confused at all. Fact is we will all die one day – then we will know if “the word of half-mad silly old men writing in a desert and then, centuries later, re-writing again” is the truth.

          • Tony

            Considering the gaps in identifying the actual pathway of evolution, I am guessing that you also believe in global warming?

    • parorchestia

      It has always had a liberal element, thank goodness, as this can achieve social advancement in a way that doesn’t stuff up the country the way that socialistic Labour would.

    • Gayguy

      National needed to divorce themselves from the hate and bile of the John Banks era National party.

  • Gazzaw

    Good for Crusher, she is just exercising her democratic right. As far as I’m concerned whatever way an MP chooses to vote on this issue does not affect how I feel about them as a politician. I’m more concerned about how she handles matters of national importance in her role as a Minister of the Crown. The sooner this sideshow is over & done with the better.

    • Agent BallSack

      Exactly Gazzaw. Lets get it the fuck over with and start focussing on the things that matter.

  • coNZervative

    That’s right, life in NZ is factually determined by polls of about 1000 peeps (‘young people support s-s marriage’) an especially valuable source based on their record of getting election results about 50% wrong.

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