Donnybrook between the Wops and the Krauts

ᔥ The Telegraph

It looks like the Wops and the Krauts are having a set too over the appalling state of the Eurozone economies. It is not often that you will find me siding with Krauts but when it comes to paying the bills of the excesses of socialism in Europe you can understand their unwillingness to bailout the indigent countries they once conquered. Of course some wag will point out that the Krauts were once overrun by the Wops, but that was when they spoke latin and marched forwards prior to learning how to march backwards rapidly:

German politicians from across the spectrum have reacted furiously to warnings by Italy’s Mario Monti that Bundestag control over EU debt policies threatens to bring about the “disintegration” of the European project.

“We must make it clear to Mr Monti that we Germans will not shut down our democracy to pay Italian debts,” said Alexander Dobrindt, secretary-general of Bavaria’s Social Christians (CSU).

Bundestag president Norbert Lammert said parliament’s integrity cannot be subordinated to the ups and downs of the markets. Free Democrat (FDP) leaders said Italy’s unelected prime minister is playing with political fire by trying to circumvent democratic legitimacy.

The dispute comes as relations between Germany and Italy touch the lowest ebb since the Second World War, with Il Giornale publishing a front-page picture of Chancellor Angela Merkel under the headline “Fourth Reich”.

“The tone of the debate has turned dangerous. We must be careful that Europe does not rip itself apart,” said German foreign minister, Guido Westerwelle. He himself fanned the flames over the weekend, saying he was “categorically” against further expansion of the EU rescue machinery or bond purchases by the European Central Bank. “I can’t imagine that a majority of the Bundestag will back unlimited debt liabilities,” he said.

  • ConwayCaptain

    What we are seeing is the disintegration of the European Experiment.  The EU should neber have been more than a free trade area and the Socialist have moved it to this subsidised beaureaucratic mess.

    The French wont give up on the CAP as it keeps their in efficient farmers going.  Their fisgheries policy has resulted in the UKs trich fishing grunds being raped and pillaged,  The free movement of people has now resulted in the countries like the UK, Scandinavia being over run by econmic refugees.

    Greece and Spain are now on their knees and will not recover until they go back to their old currencies and at the top the Barossos and Rompouys say more and more integration is needed.  Watch these peopke squirm when Daniel Hannan lets loose with his cultured abnd well researcehd speeches.  No Ahhh Ummm Ahh from him.

    Unless there is a move back to the old currencies and Govt control of their own country then we will see Civil Unrest and maybe War on a scale unseen in Europe since WW 2

    • Mediaan

      Yes, Daniel Hannan is good. And Nigel Farage, hope I have that name right, who was interviewed on BBC the other night. He knows his onions, and has figured out that you can’t get giveaways out of a foreign taxpayer for ever.

      Basically, the Mediterranean catholic nations have been coasting and cooking the books since the inception of the EEC. Their response now will be to slow things down, make fulsome pretty apologies and eagerly acquiesce in reform proposals, then (as soon as people have moved on), go right back to doing it again. It’s the only way they know.

      • Phronesis

        War is next to impossible, but calling the Greeks Catholic might just do it.

      • Mediaan

        True. Eastern Orthodox. And very nice wholesome little churches they are.

        The Greeks were late additions, to the EEC, as far as I recall, and also screwed over by the dastardly Olympic committee.

      • kowtow

        Bollocks to your anti Catholic sentiment. The richest state in Germany is Bavaria,proudly Catholic,hardworking and hopefully independant thinking if it comes to a crunch on bail outs etc

      • Mediaan

        Yes, I have been to Bavaria, Kow, and though quite uninformed know a few things.

        Audi, MAN, BMW, Infineon, Puma,

        Bavaria is now only half catholic. They were big fans of that loveable bloke Hitler, and huge Nazi supporters. But their history shows a shrewd appreciation of the advantages of being well in with the papacy and of any ruthless tyrant who looked as though he was going to win years of power through his vicious acts.

        I haven’t m

      • Mediaan

        To continue …

        Glancing at the list of famous Bavarians in Wiki, they are clearly high achievers.

        But my point about the Mediterranean Catholic nations remains. To which I might add further cot-cases Ireland and Portugal, both Catholic.

      • Phronesis

        Catholics are famous for voting left.

  • Cows4me

    Greece also has no love for Germany and many Greeks see the bailouts provided by Germany as compensation for past injustices. During W11 many Greek antiquities as well as ( 35 tonnes?) of gold was taken from Greece by the Nazis, none has been returned . As far as Greece is concerned Germany can suck eggs.  

  • White Rose

    Remember that it is precisely the economic binds that hold these EEC countries together  and which has stopped a war between powerful European nations in the last 65 years. If the Eurozone disintegrates then  each nation is more likely to dissolve into nationalist rhetoric to cover up the holes …wars can pay a lot of bills…. and foreigners can be blamed for all the woes.That thinking has been prevalent in  Europe before …..

    • Mediaan

      I think there is still war going on, but now not between nations. Toxic vested interests are fighting battles, often using hypnotised kids.

  • Anonymouse coward

    “Of course some wag will point out that the Krauts were once overrun by the Wops ”

    Dont think so. Those of you who watched the film Galdiator will recall Marcus Aurelius was vexed by the unwillingness of tribes north of the Rhine to bend a knee towards Rome.

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