Sucking on the Taxpayers’ Tit

Each day the tip-line runs hot with scurrilous tit-bits of the untoward. A lot comes out of Wellington, home of that pinko Farrar as well as busy-body bureaucrats determined to run a Sir Humphrey view of a clear conscience, plotting ways to push through their own pet projects.

As one of the largest bureaucracies in New Zealand, the Health Ministry is also one of the largest recipients of public money with Vote:Health receiving a solid whack of about $14b each Budget.

Recently the tip line has provided an insight into the nefarious activities of some of the groups literally sucking on the taxpayer’s tit. There’s a lot so I’ll do a series of posts on this.

Early last month breast feeding advocates converged on Wellington for a state funded hui or ‚Äústakeholder consultation‚ÄĚ at the airport‚Äôs convention centre. As this involves some serial troughers I think some sunlight into this area is required.

On the basis that mothers should breast feed their babies if they can, the question is what happens if they can’t. And this is where it gets interesting.

As with most Ministry of Health funded cardigan wearing groupies, it seems the more extreme ideas the better. Pull together a group of breast feeding advocates (activists) and there’s little talk about actually helping mums with breast feeding, instead it’s about big business scaremongering.

The likes of Fonterra should be very worried.

These women’s groups are now calling for plain packaging of infant formula akin to Turia’s recent brain fart that’s bound to see NZ brought before the courts by those evil tobacco companies. They call for an infant formula tax to be placed on the manufacturers. They even suggest that infant formula should only be allowed on prescription from a GP like a heroin addict.

To top it off they even call for New Zealand not to sell infant formula to the world because it was ‚Äúmorally wrong‚ÄĚ even though infant formula is sold at 10x the value of milk powder and is a big export earner (conveniently forgetting that export dollars are how mad huis like these can actually be held).

Basically they are trying to equate formula with addictive, carcinogenic poisons and drugs. It is shameful.

And to top it all off this ‚Äėhui‚Äô, stakeholder consultation or whatever you want to call it, also had an earth mother ‚Äėstunt feeder‚Äô attend,¬† sitting there breast feeding her baby throughout the meeting without saying a word. I‚Äôm surprised the baby didn’t erupt with reflux having to sit through that bollocks.

This sort of nonsense by troughers literally shows how tits Wellington has become. More concerning is that the Minister responsible for all of this is Associate Minister Jo Goodhew.

I’m sure Ryall, English, Joyce and Key will be just tickled pink that a Minister is overseeing ideas that can damage one of New Zealand’s leading exporters.

  • SJ00

    For fucks sake. At this rate, everything will be a plain white box with nothing on it but ‘milk’, ‘bread’, ‘sugar’, no branding, no details. We will all walk around in plain white clothes, have the same haircut.
    Why do people insist on taking away other peoples choices? Lets put a microscope on their life, I am sure there is all sorts of shit we don’t like that they do and we think should be banned.

    • Saccharomyces

      “At this rate, everything will be a plain white box with nothing on it but ‘milk’, ‘bread’, ‘sugar’, no branding, no details. We will all walk around in plain white clothes, have the same haircut” And it will all be allocated by the government………

  • Whalerider

    That’s it, clear evidence that NZ is well and truly fucked. Feels like my head is going to explode from the amount of PC bullshit going on right now. If it’s not the maori’s it’s the homosexuals, if it’s not them it’s the feminists. OMG!!

  • beanyboy

    This attitude has to stop, we have 2 children, 5 & 2, my wife tried to breastfeed and couldn’t, she was treated like a¬†lepper, from the maternity hospital through to¬†plunket, she struggled with post natal depression as it was and these hand wringing bitches made her feel even worse. Trying to get help¬†or advice on bottle feeding was nearly impossible. Basically it was “Your not breastfeeding so you are on your own”.¬†and increase the cost of formula??? It’s already bloody expensive as it is….¬†

    • johnbronkhorst

      I caught part of a piece on Fox news, so my interpretation¬† may be flawed…but it seemed, somewhere in the USA, some anul retentive wants to treat baby formular like a restricted drug, lock it up and force mothers to ask for it. In an attempt to force them to breast feed. If I have got this clear, your problem seems to be a global antifreedom of choice nanny state knows best phenominon.

    • Steve5365

      Those hand wringing bitches are extremely cruel.  My wife was also subjected to their cruel feelings as she was unable to breastfeed, adequately, our twin daughters.  It is actions such as theirs that have made me, in a mild manner, a misogynist.  Other women do not seem to be able to comprehend how vicious those bitches are.
      But this has been going on for years.¬† Our twins are now 30 years old and are still the apple of their Daddy’s eye.¬† Dad’s darlings.¬† The sweetie pies.

  • BJ

    This sabotage that is now rife in our beautiful country needs to be knocked firmly on the head.  There needs to be a strong force pushing back  Рinto the hole they come from Рthese ludicrous negative positions that are taken by those that have never produced any product or service in their entire lives Рit comes from a place of bitterness and envy Рin fact its pure evil.

    • Will

      Well put.

  • Whafe

    Pack our bags normal thinking New Zealanders, this country is going to hell in a hand basket….

    Would all these nanny state troughers just fuck off. Let us have some choice in what we do, when we do it, how we do it….

    This place is unfucking believable, lets start focussing on how to pull the economy and leap forward….. Give me strength

  • petal

    After 22 hours of labour Mrs and Jr were so tired that there was no latching to be achieved by anyone. ¬†The nurses and the ‘experts’ kept trying, with Jr getting more hungry and tired, and Mrs falling to pieces. ¬†I was waiting for a trained professional to call a halt to this, but it never came. ¬†In the end I suggested everyone should get a rest and to feed Jr formula. ¬†I can not adequately describe how that suggestion was received. ¬†I had to sign a waiver to state I had been councilled against this decision, that it was mine alone, and to hold the hospital blameless for everything that happened after that point. ¬†The next day one of the nurses took us aside and told us that not everyone agrees but they can’t speak out. ¬†The whole thing was a text book case of oppression. ¬†Jr is now nearly 10. ¬†Healthy as an ox, and in a gifted stream in the school system.

    I can but imagine how he would have been a superman with an IQ of 400 if only I hadn’t ruined his life with formula.

    NOTE: ¬†Breast IS best. ¬†I fed both my babies expressed breast milk for 3 months. ¬†But for some people this doesn’t work out for a while, or at all. ¬†To be treated as a CHILD ABUSER when you are relying on the advice of professional and compassionate people is no fun at all….

    • Guest

      Petal this is a near clone of mine and my wives experience when our eldest was born at Middlemoore Hospital.

      We were very fortunate that my Mother was an ex La Leche “tutor” from the 70’s and we ended up with a post birth carer who was just about to retire and was one of those no-nonsense old fashioned nurses. ¬†5 years on and I still mentally thank her at least once a week.

    • beanyboy

      In the end one of the night nurses came in and gave our son a bottle on the quiet, she said don’t tell anyone. My wife was shattered and my son needed feeding. Quite frankly the fact that the nurse had to do this on the sly was shocking…

    • David

      Petal, my wife and i had the same situation with both our boys, now 3 and 4. National Womens was not allowed to give advice, dispite my wife seeing a breast feeding expert before No1 arrived who told us she would have trouble breast feeding. My wife has a major tipsy over that and the “fear of failure” that it felt like to her. Come No1, National Womens could not help, had no advice on how to bottle feed and the breast feeding expert had to find the last info sht they had when we pushed. It was the last one in the bottom of the draw!. Come number 2 and the same situation, but this time we were prepared. The midwife pushed and pushed breast feeding, until i intervene and called her supervisor. Bottle it became and two healthy boys followed. We are all for breast feeding, but its not the only answer and while it needs to be encourage, don’t alienate the rest. The Piri Weepu saga just shows how dangerous the likes of the Le Leache League are. The pendulum will swing, but how many women and kids suffer before it does.

  • Aquarius 61

    ¬† … the BS around breast feeding gets worse. Apparently hospitals/midwives/plunket(!) aren’t allowed to “promote” bottle feeding, and can’t mention it UNLESS the mother asks.

    I think everyone agrees that breast is best IF YOU CAN, but if you can’t these do-gooders are seriously jeopardising both baby and mother.

    A friend who desperately wanted to breast-feed (2010-11) but was unable to (having the equivalent of trim milk), was made to feel like a 2nd class citizen; which didn’t help someone already experiencing quite severe post-natal depression.

    And when she tried to sell the no longer required bottles and equipment at a local plunket “swap meet” (2012), was vilified by a plunket representative there and told wasn’t allowed to sell the bottles! Bottles aren’t just for milk people! Good one plunket!

  • Salacious T Crumb

    La Leche? Lala Leeches is more appropriate.

  • Sarrs

    By the time my twin sister and I came along my mother already had four brats…two more weren’t exactly going to make it easier. The stress of it all caused her to develop abscessed nipples (oh my god ew and bet it was damned painful) making breast feeding and expressing impossible.¬†
    I still have my plunket book where every second page makes reference to the fact that we weren’t breast fed but nowhere does it say why. ‘Sarah and ***** are thriving, despite being on the bottle’ and ‘Sarah is making excellent progress with language and motor skill even though Mum chose to bottle feed’ – nothing about poor Mum is in agony just cuddling her daughters close to her chest, or poor Mum might feel like she’s let her daughters down because she was able to breast feed all her other four children.¬†

  • Bunswalla

    Our first baby had to be born by Caesarean and kept in SCBU at National Womens while wife recovers from major surgery three floors up. Because of baby’s problems (operation under general anaesthetic at one day old at Starship but let’s not go there) she had trouble latching on, made worse by the fact that SCBU is kept at a constant 28 degrees and wife became nauseous within minutes of me wheeling her into SCBU.

    La Leche mafiosas weren’t deterred in the slightest, man-handling (woman-handling?) her boobs and squeezing to get out tiny amounts of colostrum and commanding me to syringe these up and store them in the fridge. Gave us a breast-pump to use on day two so there’s me trying to pump milk out of my wife while she’s recovering from major surgery and our little girl’s in SCBU wondering what time’s dinner.

    Breast is definitely best and after almost two weeks I got them home (had to bust wife and daughter out of provincial hospital after transfer from Auckland but that’s another story too) and settled into their own environment everybody relaxed and did what was natural.

    The point is that you’re railroaded into doing it one way and one way only. No resistance, opposition or even discussion is tolerated and the breastfeeding nazis are driven by ideological purity and ruthless determijnation to crush any resistance. Being women, they know how to play this game of psychological warfare only too weel, and have no compunction about making you feel like an idiot, a loser and a failure if you think about doing it any other way than theirs.

    Witness the hysterical reaction to Piri Weepu being shown very briefly feeding his child from a bottle – it didn’t matter whether there was expressed milk in it, or that his wife might have been ill, in hospital or even out of the country. Any glimpse of someone feeding from a bottle had to be censored by the feminazis lest we sheep suddenly form the conclusion that an All Black knows what’s best for our children. He doesn’t, but he sure as hell knows what’s best fo his.

  • Agent BallSack

    Best thing about bottle feeding was bonding with my daughter. I have said it before but nothing makes you more protective than feeding a helpless baby gazing up at you drinking not just the milk but your features, the sound of you, the smell of you. La Leche – dont they recommend the father has nothing to do with anything apart from being the sperm donor?

    • Random66

      I agree ABS, we have a photo I took many years ago of when my husband was bottle feeding our youngest daughter (she would have been about 9 months then, now at high school) and when I went up stairs to check on them there they were both peacefully sound asleep with the bottle finished and her still cradled up beside him on the bed and it was such a beautiful sight I took a photo of them. 

    • petal

      YES!!! ¬†I hated it when Jr 2 came off the bottle. ¬†All those close hours spent together coming to an end. ¬†It was a HUGE time for bonding. ¬†We ended up knowing each other very well. ¬†Even today we can’t fool each other as we know each other’s facial expressions so well, that when he fakes a cry, or I fake being angry, it just doesn’t work because the other one knows it :)

      • Agent BallSack

        I get that with the facial features lol…My wee girl cant stay angry when she looks at me and I am pretty much the same..we crack each other up all the time.

    • Quintin Hogg

      ABS Agreed.

      I¬†got to do that with my sons.It’s a great experience and one to be treasured.

      • Agent BallSack

        These 3 posts took me straight back to that moment. Major heart thud! Thanks Petal, Quintin and Random66

      • Mark C

        I got to do that, too, with my daughter and son. Those will be some of my most enduring and treasured memories. Great times!

        Good posts, Agent.

    • Neil

      As we’re all overwelmed with the warm fuzzies of memory in this topic. Just like to add – what stopped my lovely wife was teething – it was then an enormous pleasure to experience as you did Agent BS.

  • SadSateofAffairs

    New Zealand is really going down the same route that Labour took us with the lightbulbs and shower heads. Bloody do-gooders trying to tell mums how they should feed their own babies! FFS what’s the bet Jo Goodhew doesn’t even know this shit is happening. Thanks Whale for talking about this and showing how PC this country is.¬†

    Nice point that Fonterra is now lined up to have plain packaging on their infant formula – which will no doubt put them at a commercial disadvantage to other infant formula makers. All because some loopy state funded woman hates infant formula. Will be nice to see Tim Groser defending this at the WTO as he tries to become its next boss.

    What a fucking joke.

  • Madison

    Had the greatest nurse when we were in hospital who was willing to help out, told us she was on her last week and was leaving because she wasn’t allowed to help the parents and children however it might be best.¬† It was a case of breast or die according to her superiors and she wasn’t having it.¬† On her own as a midwife now and a waiting list because she does what’s best for the parents and children depending on the circumstances, not due to some legislated BS dogma.

  • BJ

    I guess many of us have a personal breastfeeding story to tell, but they all miss the main point of WO’s current post – that is – ¬†taxpayers money paid for a group to talk ( have a convention ) about sabotaging one of this country biggest export company.

    • http://unsolicitedious.wordpress.com/ Unsolicitedious

      Exactly, we all have our war stories and/or text book stories when it comes to birth & breast feeding, but they are irrelevant.

      The key issues are 1) surprise surprise the snouts are in the taxpayer/s trough once again and 2) women who cant/wont breast feed for whatever reason are being marginalised.

      There is simply no correlation between formula – a perfectly acceptable source of infant food and the poisonous substance of tobacco (in terms of the product people buy from the shops, not the plant!).

      So to declare formula is “morally wrong” and demand it be put into plain packaging so as to try & reduce sales not only insults an already vulnerable mother, but it attacks one of our biggest sources of revenue.

      Definitely fits the category of stupid people doing stupid things.

  • Goldie

    Having had my wife have plunket nurses/hosptial midwives repeatedly harangue my wife about not breastfeeding Рas she lay in her hospital bed recovering from the traumatic birth surgery Рmy blood really boils when I read that my taxes are paying for these breastfeeding zealots. I am not happy.
    I hope that some more experienced Cabinet Ministers with sense take the associate health minister for a wee chat…

  • Spanishbride

    I was a very happy member of La Leche League and fully breastfeed both our children until they were one year old. After that I continued partially breastfeeding them as I introduced solids when they turned one. I breastfed both of them for years and don’t give a rats arse what some people might think of that. I refused to put my breasts in plain paper packaging¬†:) ¬†as my milk has perfect nutritional value and required no warning labels or heating instructions. Every Mother should do what is best for her and her baby. Everyone else should STFU and keep their noses out of it. Being a Mum is a hard enough job without having to put up with criticism from all directions. If it wasn’t for the invention of formula some babies would die,it is that simple. My Mum lost her milk due to stress caused by her Father’s death and¬†misinformation on how breastfeeding works. If it wasn’t for formula I would have starved to¬†death.¬†Thank God we have that option available.

  • stoke

    I think Ron Swanson sums this up quite nicely

  • Bring on the revolution

    And another…
    my son was born 2 weeks late and starving. ¬†Despite best efforts he couldn’t breastfeed. ¬†He screamed with hunger for days – the maternity ward staff offered nothing. My wife spent most of every day attached to a bloody suction pump trying to express enough milk to satisfy him.¬†
    Finally an old school nurse took us to a dark corner and (checking to see no one was watching) introduced us to formula.  Silence! Peace!
    He is now 6’4″ and a top achiever so I guess he wasn’t too disadvantaged by the experience. Unlike my wife, who developed acute post-natal depression largely as a result of this, and struggled for years as a result. She was made (quite deliberately) to feel guilty and a failure by the breast-feeding nazis and has never really got over that.
    So I get bloody angry when I hear shit like this.  

  • Scanner

    Why don’t the “Nipple Nazis” just fuck off and leave parents to what they have decided is right, our daughter decided when she was finishing on draught and starting on bottled,and no one spoke to us about it, I must look like a real angry fucker, lol

    • http://unsolicitedious.wordpress.com/ Unsolicitedious

      “Nipple Nazies” – brilliant! What annoys me is that these people are not even necessarily representative of their own industry.¬†

      I used¬†La Leche League had a wonderful Plunket nurse & midwife. After weeks of trying to get our daughter to stop grazing & stop being nosy (she would feed hard out for a while but not long enough as an hour or so later she would want another feed) they all encouraged me to give her a 50ml top up of formula or expressed milk in the afternoon. Their primary concern was because she slept through the night from birth & was missing out on a crucial night feed (the milk is meant to have the right kind of fat etc) that she get the feeds during the day so as to ensure a “lovely round tummy” (I loved how they would say that!). She was gaining weight but just not as much as what they preferred.

      So I had a great experience & when she went on strike at 9 months no one said anything. They were really supportive.

      Yet I have heard heaps of horror stories from other mums & it is just awful – like the comments above, being a Mum is hard enough without having your intuition & mothering questioned.

      I just find it ironic that these so-called experts have no idea what damage they do when the yell out the war cry of “breast is best”.

    • Neil

      You should copyright that term quick – gotta use it from now on….lovely one scanner.

  • johnbronkhorst

    mallard, fenton and little…….labour picnic.

  • Scanner

    The female breast is just like a train set, they are meant for the kids but it always seems to be the dads that end up playing with them

    • Steve (North Shore)

      Len can play with his own breasts so no train set ok

  • Dave

    Hmmmmm am over the article, leave it to parents to sort out.   It was breast for my kids, all good now.

    Now, far more IMPORTANT MATTERS.

    The middle pig at the trough has a remarkable resemblence to Helen Kelly, and i wonder if the one at the end could be Parsloe ?

  • out2lunch

    ¬†nanny state at it again. there is no place for femnazis in this country. If we don’t have the maoris bitching about cigarette packets at one end of the scale, we have the hairy armpit fembro squad preaching at the other end of the scale

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