Labour to feed kids because parents won’t

Labour is set to extend the nanny state even further by deciding that in poorer schools parents either can’t or won’t feed their kids so they are going to do it for them.

Labour’s new education policy includes up to $19 million a year to give a free daily meal to all children in low decile schools.

Labour leader David Shearer announced the policy in a keynote education speech today.

He said Labour would join forces with community organisations to put food into schools – which could cost anywhere between $3 million to $19 million dollars depending on the model used.

They estimate the cost at around a maximum of $20 million. This will be massively under-estimated. The reason? Well why would you feed your kids if the school is now going to do it for you…the costs will blow out as parents take advantage of being able to buy smokes and lotto instead of food for the kids.

Then the middle decile schools will lobby so that their hungry kids can get fed too and then the Maori party will insist that Maori kids need more than other other kids and so it will go on until we are spending a billion dollars feeding other peoples kids.

  • cows4me

    Shit the poor little buggers will need a big feed Monday morning, after fasting all weekend. Fuck these people are not the full quid.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      So true. Maybe schools should provide toothbrushes and paste as well as kids don’t clean their teeth

      • Teachersrock

        Many schools do.

        • Dion

          You do when you’re not on holiday.

          • Teachersrock

            Sigh, are you one of those idiots who buy into the whole 9-3 12 weeks holiday garbage?

          • Gazzaw

            Not a great call Dion. The majority of teachers work fucken hard. No I’m not a teacher & we are talking a totally separate issue here.

          • pukakidon

            Thats a good point, who will feed the children breakfast when the teachers are on holiday. thats about 4 months a year that kids will not have breakfast?

            Maybe teachers should teach and therefor feed our kids all year round

          • Teachersrock

            There are some parents who would love that. But there is only so much we can do. But we should do it.

    • liberty

      Paula has made being on the
      unemployment benefit weed free. So they can now afford to buy weekbix.

      If they are working they get WFF.

      So it is all a big cope out to claim
      the low income can’t afford to feed there kids.

  • Michaels

    Feed the Maori as the treaty says too. Then payy them millions for the fresh air in our faces….. because the treaty says too.

  • fergus

    Stupidity of the highest order…but what we have come to expect from labour…Something else…if for some reason kids don’t get fed by the school (Mr shearer), say power cut and food rots, transport strike etc or say a child gets food poisoning due to an accidental spoiling of the food…..is the principle to be charged with child abuse, some form of reckless endangerment???…That raises the question…$20mil per year for the food, how much for the ovens, fridge freezers crockery and cutlery up keep and maintenance, extra staff and their training??Just some questions…NOT answered here.

  • Meg

    So do we just leave children to starve for the foolishness of the parents?

    • fergus

      dummest arguement yet….We hold the parents accountable stupid!!!!

      • Meg

        So you punish the parents AND let the kids starve.

        Well don Fergus, good plan.

        • MrV

          Spare us the sanctimony.
          What you do is take the moneytary benefits these parents already receive from the govt and put them on a EFTPOS style card that can only be spent on an approved list of foodstuffs/healthcare.
          Should give the parents a shove in the right direction and ensure if they don’t want to be treated like children themselves they better damn well feed their own kids first.

          But I remember the last time such a scheme was proposed who was it squealing the loudest, thats right Labour and the Greens.

          • Polish Pride

            Great in theory doesn’t work that easily with the current systems in place to purchase goods. In short not feasible unless you spend a truckload of money to make it work.

            This is the bit you guys need to get your head around and like it or not why Meg has a very valid point….. There is a problem. All kids without exception should have inalienable rights to certain things. Food is at the top of the list. They aren’t getting it so you need a workable solution to ensure that they do get it.

            If they put this in place the right way and look to actually grow it you could as a by product of the initiative one day get rid of paid welfare altogether.

          • Tristanb

            If the parent’s not feeding them – that’s abuse. Take the kid off them. Feed the kid.

            But firstly, stop letting the parents by methamphetamine, weed, alcohol, Sky TV, lotto, cigarrettes, takeaways, HP for large TVs, CDs, and all the fucking junk they all waste their money on.

            This could be made simple with a “BeneCard”.

          • Lion_ess

            Tristanb, you must have met the same one’s as me

        • Tristanb

          How much do you “earn” Meg? All the money you have saved and plan to go overseas with – why don’t you spend it all on starving African children??

          Why don’t you give it all away?

          Because you’re selfish.

          • Polish Pride

            And there in a nutshell is one of the many problems with a monetary based system

        • kevin

          “shit for brains” as my brother says…

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Yes.

    • Gazzaw

      Foolishness or negligence Meg?

      • Meg

        Both. But do we let children starve because their parents are neglectful idiots?

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

          Yes

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

          Because if you don;t then there are no consequences and pretty soon we are feeding everyones kids.

          • Meg

            So what you are saying is you are happy to stand by and let children starve, and even though you could help, not.

            Some christian you are.

          • Travis Poulson

            So nevermind the parents responsibilities, yep just breed as many kids as you can, the taxpayer will feed them. Everyone else will sort your problems.

          • Meg

            You are advocating punishing children because of their parents. Do you understand that?? Yes the parents should look after their own kids, but when they cant or dont the state needs to step in to protect the innocent.

            Or shall we just leave those kids to starve to death to save you a few dollars?

          • Travis Poulson

            You’re advocating the degradation of society by training parents to believe that they don’t need to look after their kids because someone else should do it for them. Do you understand that?

          • MrV

            Not to mention kids then believing the place to get breakfast is at school rather than home. They then accept that as being ‘normal’ and it becomes yet another aspect of entrenched intergenerational welfare dependancy.

          • Travis Poulson

            Exactly, and this guilt trip attitude is how it all starts. It always someone elses fault. Never EVER heard of a child dying of starvation in NZ. I sometimes went hungry because of the healthy shit my mother would feed me.

          • Dave

            Hey Travis, we agree on something. Although as already stated, money was tight in our family, mum somehow managed to feed us all, but i was known to refuse to eat the stewed cabbage, parents even took to the “nothing else until you eat your cabbage”. So, i went hungry at my choice. Nowadays, the school would call Social Welfare and report the parents!! PS: Still don’t like stewed cabbage.

          • Meg

            And your answer is to let children starve.

            That is not an option.

          • Travis Poulson

            And how many kids have you heard of dying of starvation? We’re not in Africa lol

          • Polish Pride

            Perhaps not Travis but by having them spend their days when they should be getting an education to get ahead….hungry and not focused and losing their chance at that education you have just by default developed he next generation of dropouts and beneficiaries.

            You need to think of this like a chess game and be thinking about 5 moves ahead. If your solution is to just target the parents, the children (your pawns) just got wiped off the board while you were targeting them.

          • Travis Poulson

            Alright, so give the kids some food at school. Now, addressing the root cause (the parents) how do you change their mentality, change their spending habits, teach them to prioritize, teach them buy 2 loaves of bread, some butter and some spread instead of 2 dozen Lion Red?

            You can’t. If the guilt of seeing their kids going to school with an empty lunchbox won’t change their ways nothing will.

          • Polish Pride

            Thats why you take the decision out of their hands to a degree.
            Remove the money from the equation. Extend it to the parents who can go to a place to get food (not a supermarket and can select x number of items from column A and X number of items from column B. No fags, No Booze, No money for any other drugs

          • Polish Pride

            Travis – Ask yourself. If a party ran on that policy, would you support it?

          • Travis Poulson

            I’d go as far as saying I’d support the policy, giving full support to the party would be another story…

          • Travis Poulson

            Yep, that works for me. Probably doesn’t work for them having their spending freedom cut, but stiff shit. Benefits are there for a reason, and it should be made as difficult as possible to use it as a lifestyle choice. I see these kinds every time I stop at the bottlestore on the way home to pick up a few beers on the way home. it’s bloody sickening.

          • Meg

            But if it was up to you, that would be fine. As long as you dont have to pay.

          • Alsh

            We are not punishing the children, we are giving parents money “benefit” so they can feed them. We should punish the parents if they do not make their children the number one priority to be fed from those funds. Simple.

          • Polish Pride

            The consequences are when you have a system in place that feeds the kids very effectively and then you reduce he benefit to the point where the parents have a choice either feed themselves OR buy piss and fags but not both
            This plan has the potential to be genius

          • Travis Poulson

            You can forget about that idea. as “genius” as it may be, benefit cuts as a result of this..erm…*initiative* …would never happen.

          • Polish Pride

            That would only be the case if National never got in again…. and we live in a system where all we do is move a couple of degrees to the right and then a couple to the left. Add to that all countries are going to go through austerity measures down the track if we stick with the current system. If this is in place you can bet your bottom dollar there will be benefit cuts. They might even expand it to cover adults as well….you got a house food power – great you no longer need a benefit.
            Whats that can’t afford beer and smokes? Hmmm – get a job maybe :)

          • Travis Poulson

            Yea I wouldn’t pin your hopes on National. The new law around cutting benefits to those with outstanding arrest warrants is probably as adventurous as Paula Bennett will get with making cuts.

          • GregM

            If the government were to deduct say,$20 p.w. from the benny or directly from the “parents” wages, and then fed the kids at school, I would have less of a problem with it.
            I simply can’t get my head around the fact that some people don’t seem to care about feeding their own children. It’s appalling.

          • Polish Pride

            Agreed and what you just put forward is a very good solution IMHO

    • Michael

      We could fund it by increasing pokie levies, alcohol duties and tobacco taxes.

      • Lion_ess

        I presume you are referring to yourself and Meg – the only two who think this is a good idea. Why don’t you both pool your income and feed the starving children of NZ

        • Michael

          I was saying where the money goes instead of the kids. If these were somehow unable to be spent on by beneficiaries I’m sure child poverty would cease in a fortnight.

          • Lion_ess

            Better to deal with the problem in my view Michael, rather than side issues. Parents who don’t provide adequately for their children are the problem.

          • Polish Pride

            So whats your solution then Lion_ess? What is your REALISTIC solution that ensures parents feed their children?

        • Polish Pride

          Sounds like from your post here that you do not think children should have an inalienable right to be fed healthy nourishing food. Anyone who thinks that has some serious issues Likewise anyone railing against a plan that aims to put food in childrens mouths also has serious issues.

          • Travis Poulson

            ” Likewise anyone railing against a plan that aims to put food in childrens mouths also has serious issues.”

            Yes, those are the parents sending their kids to school hungry.

            Ambulance at the bottom of the cliff never solved any problems.

          • Polish Pride

            You are too shortsighted in your thinking about the problem. Your not going to fix the parents not without great suffering for the children in doing so. So fix the kids situation, make sure mechanisms are in place to feed them. THEN deal with the parents.
            No need for an ambulance then because you just removed all access to the cliff.

          • Travis Poulson

            You haven’t removed all access to the cliff, because you didn’t explain how you propose the parents be dealt with. No point talking about cutting their benefit, because that will never happen. Next idea.

          • Polish Pride

            Expand the solution to feed the parents too – then cut the benefit
            Or do you not think there would be enough public support for such a policy.

          • Travis Poulson

            Employment.

          • Polish Pride

            This is not just a problem beneficiaries have. Unfortunately many of these kids will have parents who work I suspect ….although perhaps not.

          • Lion_ess

            I think kids have a right to half-decent parents first. The parents must be held accountable for providing adequate food for their children, after all they are funded by tax-payers to ensure they are able to do this.

          • Polish Pride

            What you think doesn’t fix the problem. While your holding the parents accountable the children are still starving. So maybe I missed it but how do the kids get fed. If you can’t do that tell me how you would hold the parents accountable and how the kids get fed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/bruce.whitehead.50 Bruce Whitehead

      Feel free to donate out of your own pocket above what is already ‘donated’ via taxes already, if it makes you feel better.

  • guest

    Will that free food include free brains for the parents?

  • Lion_ess

    Teach them early to suck on the public tit

  • Cas

    A very large packet of Weetbix was on special at the local supermarket last week for $4.99. Even with a pack of hungry kids, a few Weetbix with watered down milk in the morning should be within the capacity of all families rather than having to resort to us taxpayers or to donations to charities.

  • Jaffa

    Meals on wheels for the school holidays?

  • MrV

    I thought according to Labour students and pupils skipped breakfast because they were trying to stay slim?

    Rodney Hides reaction is priceless

  • MrV

    Can’t Shearer just stand at the school gates throwing out free Mango skins?

  • Lion_ess

    Where are all these skinny parents who can’t feed their kids breakfast? All the benefit bludgers I’ve met are fat, lazy slobs.

  • Phar Lap

    Spoke to some Lotto outlets recently.Never mind pokies.The Lotto outlets told me that they couldnt keep up with beneficiaries shelling out big dollars to fund Big Wednesday.They said as it was free money either way ,they would top up again by pleading hardship at WINZ.Lie-bour should shut down all Lotto outlets ,never mind pokies,are would that be too simple.Seems Lie-bour is quite happy to fund the gambling habits of “We cant afford to buy food for our kids.”Its either Lotto or food Shearer you Meglamaniac stooge.

  • SJ00

    Is not feeding your kids, child abuse? Why can’t the ‘parents’ be reported and the state takes over their lives? Thats a better way to spend $20mil.

    Better yet, let McDonalds set up on schools,and I bet you will find all these parents suddenly find the money to feed the kids. Most of them wouldn’t know how to put butter to bread, and whack some honey or vegemite on top of that (still no marmite..). They do know how to throw $5 at the kids to buy McDonalds.

    • Lion_ess

      Yep, they know how to buy chips from the take-away, but not how to buy a sack of potatoes

  • phronesis

    The welfare state must be the most dehumanising institution the world has ever seen. The urge to care and protect your own children is the ultimate evolutionary imperative (or religious requirement if your that way inclined). That the welfare state has managed to destroy such a basic part of being human in just a few generations is beyond belief. I cannot think of any other event in history from war to holocaust to slavery that resulted people not feeding their OWN children when it is patently obvious that they are quite able to do so.

    • Lion_ess

      I don’t believe parents not feeding their kids is caused by the state. In fact, the state hands out money to those in need, to ensure they can feed themselves and their children. Some of those on benefits breed to fund their own lazy-arsed life-styles. People who care about their children would go hungry themselves before failing to provide for their kids.

  • fergus

    when I was a kid…both my parents worked and had LESS than those on the benefit do today, YET……N O N E of their 3 kids EVER went to school hungary!!!!

  • Cadwallader

    This is nanny state b/s. However if teachers decide to fund this initiative from their own pockets then maybe I’d wear it. By the way it’ll be a cold day in Hell before teachers begin forking out for this lot.

    • Teachersrock

      Many many schools and teachers DO pay for it already themselves.

      People like you have no idea what teachers actually do for those kids in most need. We feed them, buy their stationary, sometimes even clothe them, all out of our own pockets.

      But then people like you prefer to attack teachers as opposed to see what we actually do.

      • GregM

        Yep I agree. I know two teachers and they seem to constantly be forking out for other peoples kids.

      • pukakidon

        Was that like to teacher in Northland who was inviting kids around to his house for pizza and other delightful titbits? What a great guy.

        • Lion_ess

          Yep, even offered them a bed. I don’t think there were any pyjamas though

        • Teachersrock

          You really are scum Pukakidon. Pure scum. And a coward too.

          • pukakidon

            Another big tough internet Tinkerbell eh? You really are a leech you silly twat. What do you know about cowards or bravery? The biggest risk you have every taken is working five minutes past 3PM.

  • Polish Pride

    If set up the right way this could enable the foundations and infrastructure for the shift to a resource based economy which is great cause once everyone gets their hands on their very own 3D printer down the track ..Capitalism is gone not long after.

  • Nemesis

    These comments are so repugnant, obviously written by those subscribing to the National exclusive in-club, and prove how divisive the us and them party is. Talk about loathing anyone outside the ‘I have made it’ set. In a way it is heartening, as this crew of user cronies won’t last in office beyond 2014!

    • Lion_ess

      Working class background, 1 working parent, 5 kids – all well fed. What was your point again?

      • Dave

        Quiet a good point Meg. I grew up in a large family, dad worked in a blue collar job, money was always tight, but we managed, always enough food on the table. Nowadays, its people like Nemesis, and the people he refers to have their snouts buried so far in the trough, they cant see anything but welfare. Cut the bloody lot, hand out VOUCHERS only, redeemable for basics ONLY and exchangeable for electricity and rent. No booze, ciggies etc. If they want more, EARN IT.

        • stanman

          YES YES YES- thats the spirit- dead bloody right

        • Travis Poulson

          Yep, thats right, address the root cause, not put an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff like Meg seems to think will fix the problem.

      • Polish Pride

        The point is imagine your childhood again as the child you were but this time your not well fed and this time your not sure when you will get a meal or not. This time you go to school everyday hungry cause you don’t get breakfast. But remember your a child – so there’s fark all you can do about it – Thats the point.
        The lack of people actually giving a shit in this society is nothing short of disgusting – and no you don’t give a shit if your solution makes it ok for kids to starve while you try and teach the parents a lesson

        • MrV

          That is child neglect. In which case children should be put in foster care if their own parents do not care enough to provide food.

          • Polish Pride

            Foster care system can’t deal with the numbers of kids this is happening too.
            Like I said imagine you are the kid. Now your solution is to have some total stranger come and take you away from your family and put you with some total strangers ….
            Another thing a child should have a right to a stable and loving home preferably with their parents
            Again you are not going to solve this with a simple action reaction approach.
            Your solution just F&*ked up half the kids you did it too. You gotta do better than that.

          • MrV

            “Another thing a child should have a right to a stable and loving home preferably with their parents”
            I would suggest to you the parents aren’t loving if they are incapable of feeding their own kids!
            You are not going to solve this with a bleeding heart nanny state approach – that is for sure!

          • Polish Pride

            No your right your not. But you will by feeding them and then their parents and then removing the benefit.

        • Tristanb

          You don’t give a shit either.

          Are you donating the millions to do this?? How are you helping?? By trying to take money off families where the parents work, to give to families where the parents bludge.

          If you want to help, use your own money. Stop trying to force others.

          When you tax “rich” people (nowadays Labour thinks “rich” means anyone who has a job), you are taking food our their childrens’ hands.

          • Polish pride

            I’m trying to change the F$%king world so that this is never a problem for anyone ever again in any country. Thats what I’m doing so yeah I give a shit!

          • Lion_ess

            Good luck with that one

          • Polish Pride

            Luckily for me Lioness. Throughout history the people who are crazy enough to think that they can change the world…..are often the ones that do!

        • Lion_ess

          Actually people do give a shit. We see millions of our hard-earn cash “given out” to useless lard arses. Because these drop-kicks fail to provide for their children, in your mind, that translates to my not giving a shit. I don’t subscribe to your logic.

          • Polish Pride

            Unfortunately if it were your call you’d rather not give a cent of your hard earned cash to them… If it were your call. Most would rather they didn’t receive a benefit yet they don’t come up with a viable alternative solution – So yeah that translates to not giving a shit

          • Lion_ess

            I have absolutely no problem with providing a bridge to those in need. Unfortunately, I have only met life-style benefit bludgers – usually fat, lazy with a bag of excuses for their self-victimisation. Otherwise, skinny and doing the P.

  • Phar Lap

    Now so called decile schools are back in the news .Free food handouts to decile 1 to decile 3.Most of the kids there are Maori ,couldnt some of the Thirty Six Billion Maori have scammed off the non Maori ,to be put to good use.Feed you kids FFS.

  • Fat Sally

    I have worked in two schools where children were arriving in the morning hungry. Both schools started a “Breakfast Club” where the children would get cereal and toast and marmite. As predicted improvement in their results increased as children had the ability to concentrate longer. Unfortunatel,y we could not sustain the cost because other parents had the mindset “I don’t have to give my child breakfast now because they can get it at school.’ This is what will happen in this case, it will cover the tax payer plenty because parents are too lazy/selfish to make sure their children have the necessities.

    Before somebody says “some parents just can’t afford food” I have never met a parent who couldn’t. It comes down to going without in other areas to make sure that child is fed. I have worked in some very low decile schools, and low socio-economic areas and 99.9% of the time it is poor parenting involved.

  • Mr_Blobby

    I would say that if the parents are on any sort of benefit or state assistance then the cost of feeding the kids should be deducted from there benefit.

    Charities are already feeding 40000 and estimate that another 80000 go to school with no lunch. That means at least 240000 deadbeat parents have no interest in providing the basics to there children. What does that do to the self esteem of the children? The numbers are staggering.

    • blazer

      your ‘logic’ is what is staggering!What evidence can you produce to back up 240,000 deadbeat parents?You can’t can you?

  • PauliePaul

    I’m a principal of a decile 3 school. The day this policy comes in I pull the pin. We do not give hand outs at our school. Schools around us fall over backwards to sign up to every hand out scheme going. We set an expectation that our parents will look after their kids. 98% of them do. If we started a breakfast club I bet that figure would be 80% in no time.

    • Meg

      So as an educator you would allow children in your school to starve because of YOUR OWN PERSONAL VIEWS. You would put kids well being second to your PERSONAL VIEWS.

      May I suggest you resign now and do the kids in your school a favour.

      • Lion_ess

        Blaming everyone except those who are responsible for the children’s well-being Meg? The teachers are their to deliver education. Why don’t you resign from your post if you have one and take up a personal crusade in feeding lazy bastard’s children?

      • Tristanb

        Well, his views are working for food and not expecting a hand-out.

        Do you think that’s a bad thing to teach kids?

        I guess if people all stopped wanting handouts, then Labour would have no voters.

      • PauliePaul

        So who at my school is starving? I monitor this quite closely. I can tell you that on a week to week basis there is only one family that arrive without lunch on a semi regular basis. This same family went to Fiji for a wedding last term. You come to my school and find the starving kids. This is a beat up for political gain. And by the way that same family has a higher income than 20% of the rest of my families.

        • Meg

          But because of YOUR PERSONAL VIEWS you would allow the kids of those parents go hungry.

          Yes the parents are idiots, but you punishing the kids because of their parents actions makes you just as bad.

          • Travis Poulson

            Oh bullshit meg,the PARENTS are punshing the kids by not feeding them. The school isn’t to blame, the PARENTS are.

          • Meg

            How thick are you? Yes the parents are in the wrong, but you are no better by punishing innocent children because you don not like what their parents are doing.

          • Travis Poulson

            How thick am I? short answer to that is “not as thick as you”.

            Starting to get mad now meggy boo?

          • Meg

            Not at all Travis. Just amazed at how little you care about kids.

            Sad really, but very typical of the right.

          • MrV

            The sad thing Meg is you actually believe that.

          • Will

            Ohhh yes Meg, what great insight you give. People on the right don’t care, well tell me if we don’t care then why have so many people commented on this blog (a centre right blog) about child poverty? And maybe you should think about the types of parents that aren’t feeding their kids – generally beneficiaries. Many of these people are Labour and Greens voters. So I’d say the right cares a hell of a lot more than your lefty mates who are the CAUSE of the problem.

          • Meg

            And your type will are happy to let children suffer.

          • Will

            My type pays for the food that is being handed out. Your type calls us rich pricks. My type want tougher action on beneficiaries who aren’t feeding their kids. Your type oppose it. My type feed their kids because they know it is their responsibility and no one elses. Your type buy smokes, alcohol, and lotto, and then complain they can’t afford to feed their kids. It is your type who are the problem Meg, not mine.

          • PauliePaul

            BTW Meg, since I became principal of this school Maori acheivement has increased significantly. As a generalization that would mean the “poor” in my school have increased in achievement. I focus on teaching and learning; I will not be distracted by social engineering.

          • Nemesis

            I would love to be your employer on the BOT and examine your methods of achievement. Instead of attacking such policies as social engineering why don’t you embrace sustainable production projects through growing produce, establish collective enterprise that not only generates returns that can then feed all students who wish to front up for breakfast, not just those who are deprived of a basic breakfast – for whatever reason. Sweat equity in the project gives value on multiple levels and ensures no one is getting a handout.

            Think about it instead of traipsing around parading your narrow minded well-recited drivel.

          • PauliePaul

            You mean, why don’t I prepare them to think like socialists. No thanks. I’m preparing the to succeed!

          • Lion_ess

            Why don’t the parents grow the gardens, and the teachers teach? That would make more sense to me

          • Lion_ess

            I doubt you have ever been anyone’s employer .. your comments suggest a lack of necessary skills.

          • Travis Poulson

            If only all teachers shared your attitude.

          • Meg

            But the odd kid who starves is ok as long as your personal views are preserved at their cost.

          • Lion_ess

            Name for me, one kid in New Zealand that died from starvation?

          • pukakidon

            They are mostly of very poor health due to obesity!!!

          • Lion_ess

            Yes, obese just like their parents, and again just like their parents, they become the next generation of welfare bludgers because that is what they’re being taught.

          • PauliePaul

            Not at all Meg. If I child is truly starving, this is a crime and if it were up to me they would be removed from the home. You on the other hand want to normalize this form of parenting – to excuse it.

          • Meg

            You do not get it do you. Outside of your perfect little world, for many schools this IS normal. Kids are coming to school hungry, no shoes, without the needed school gear. This is normal throughout many schools in NZ. So while you may snub your nose and call is social engineering or any other catch phrase you like in order to play politics with kids, there are children out there who need this, and will be far better for getting it.

          • GregM

            Meg, I don’t think you get it. Let none of us forget this is NOT the children’s fault, it is 100% deadbeat feral parents fault. Deduct money from the “parents” at source, and feed and provide for the kids. If a kid turns up at school with no shoes, provide them a pair NOW, and deduct the cost from next weeks benny. Same with food.
            I fully support schools doing above and beyond their duties, looking after kids, but make the parents pay for it, not the taxpayer.

      • pukakidon

        Meg go and take your meds, I think you have strayed again.

        • Meg

          Oh Pukakidon you old bit of bile you. Dragged yourself up to try and take part with the grownups I see

          • pukakidon

            Come on Meg, You know what happens when you don’t take your meds you get into trouble with the police. You don’t want that again, do you,

          • Meg

            If that is the best you have, just leave now and save what little face you have left.

    • 2ndAmendment

      We set an expectation that our parents will look after their kids.

      GIven you said “declie” I take it you’re a state school principal.

      Therefore, by definition those parents hate their kids or else they’d never ever send them to such a low decile state school! And when parents hate their children, there’s nothing the state can to do replace that lack of love. Nothing.

      • Gazzaw

        Senseless ranting again AT. Time for a valium.

      • PauliePaul

        lol….a little extreme….but there is a small element of truth. My parents do not have high enough expectation on me or my school. They put up with very poor performance for years on the back meaningless ERO drivel.

      • Tony

        I can’t see that. Don’t parents have to adhere to zones? Therefore the place where they (must) live also designates the school attended.

  • Dave

    Remember the old adage, give a man a fish and he eats a meal, teach a man to fish and he feeds his family forever…… Its the reverse here. We are actually teaching these people, turn up and we WILL FEED YOU. think deeply, yup, just turn up, you will be fed, so they turn up, and more and more turn up – this is actually NZ 2012. Too many expecting welfare from free breakfasts, to WFF, to mAori wanting Water, yes, they have been trained to hold their hand out and now they expect anything of any value, as its always worked. We MUST stop this total national disgrace of welfare, free meals, free everything. I guarantee if the funds were spent enforcing true parenting, and holding parents accountable, the welfare of children would increase.

    • 2ndAmendment

      How is this different from “turn up and we will educate you” and “turn up and we will heal you” and “turn up and we’ll give you a pension”.

      It isn’t of course. It inculcates socialism, cost vast sums of borrowed money, and has bankrupted the country. It’s got to stop

    • pukakidon

      That will be a new saying Teach a child to bludge and they will bludge for ever. Teach a child to learn and they will feed their family for ever.

  • GregM

    All the school has to do, is take half the lunch off the fat kids and give it the skinny kids.
    Cost = nil, and two problems solved. There, I fixed it for you.

    • Travis Poulson

      Then you’re discriminating against the fat kids. OUTRAGE!!

    • 2ndAmendment

      This is of course actually Labour’s plan. OK, probably to take two lunches every day of the rich kids — give one to the unions and another to the bludger.

      Hmm – no wait, that doesn’t add up:

      Take 10 lunches of the rich kids – keep 2 for Labour, 3 for bureaucrats, and 5 go to bludgers.

  • nzd.gbp

    The real problem is that Trevor Mallard consumes enough calories to go cycling for fun while kiwi kids are STARVING.

    It’s outrageous.

  • 2ndAmendment

    Really though, there is nothing wrong with schools feeding children – in the UK most schools feed children morning tea & lunch. I’d hope the charter schools (and when state schools convert to charter status as they have with the UK “academies” model) many of them will build kitchens & cook meals – hell, even teach the kids to cook.

    It’s paid for by the parent’s fees.

    Parents who love their children send them to private schools – and ensure they are fed, one way or the other.

  • P1LL

    if parents can not feed their children without seeking help then the children need to be put into care & the parents need to held accountable in court .We have a welfare system that can & will help if parents can not feed their children if hardship is legit , if drug , alcohol & gambling is the cause then the children need to be removed.

  • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

    No need to worry Torry kids. We will fund this by imposing a rich pricks levy of additional 3 cents a dollar. So you pay 42 cents per dollar tax and we feed the kids toast and cereal while their parents can sit on their back and do nothing, Social justice restored. We are winning 2014 election!!

  • pukakidon

    Half the kids now are as fat as feck. We should be cutting down the amount of crap they are eating. I remember watching the bleating food bank twits moaning and lining up on the News one night, I cant remember what they were moaning about because I could not give a shit. However they were all fat bastards. If they need food banks what the feck are they eating to be so friggen fat!!!! Maybe they should stop and throw a bone to the kids, the fat selfish lazy bastards.

  • Dave

    @ Meg and the leftie idiots commenting here. “there is none so blind as those that don’t want to see” Please look at CAUSE AND EFFECT. I don’t want to see kids starving either, but like others, I seriously doubt there are many starving kids. Hungry yes, starving NO.

    The ISSUE is BAD parenting, parents who don’t give a shit, cant be bothered working, or providing for their kids, or have been educated by the leftie mother state to just hold their hands out. The CAUSE is Kids going to school hungry as the parents have blown their benefits on booze, ciggies, the ponies etc etc or cant be fucked working.

    The real cure is to STOP the bloody WELFARE state and focus on TEACHING parenting /budgeting / work skills to all people on any form of benefit, yup, MAKE THAT COMPULSORY. If they don’t like it, or they don’t turn up, they wont get their benefit.

    As many have posted, the answer is not more free breakfasts funded again by the state.
    The answer is to make the PARENTS responsible, take away their benefits, take the children away.

    A few of my rules…….

    Never mix a TAX system with a WELFARE system, (cut WFF immediately)

    Never mix Social Engineering with the Education System.

    And never mix the above four with each other.

    Hmmmmmm guess that fucks labour permanently.

    • GregM

      Yep. You summed it up nicely Dave.

  • steve and monique

    Where is the money coming from to create a new money trough for the people who cant/wont feed their kids breakfast etc,but can still breed more,and afford booze,smokes,drugs,and lotto etc.Our child is well fed,and I would not expect the taxpayer to pay schools to feed him.And surely teachers have better things to do with their time,like teach.Labour trying to buy votes again.Pity they are willing to use the hard working,good parents tax dollar to do so.

  • The Gantt Guy

    FFS the socialist Left is loud and strong on this thread! It’s really quite simple. Yes, the kids need to be fed. Yes the parents need to be punished, otherwise you get the Pavlovian outcome that parents believe they can have as many kids as they like and someone else will take care of them (wonder where tehy got that idea in the Cuba of the South Pacific where the free cake flows forever), and kids believe the place to get a feed is at school. I like the idea of a Food Stamps – style card that can only be used for certain goods. It works in the US, and it works in Outback Australia. If people will not take care of themselves, then fuck ‘em let ‘em die in the gutter. But children need to be taken care of, and at least with a purchase card food will be going into the house.

    Then, if the parents prove themselves unworthy of even that small amount of trust, it becomes a child-abuse/CYFS issue.

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