They would be better off stopping boy buggering

The Catholic Church really doesn’t get it, do they? Calls are being made for them to pray on the first Friday of every month…at 3pm…really.

They would be better off stopping their priests from interfering with children first I should think.

Millions of Roman Catholics are being urged to stop and pray publicly at 3pm on first Friday of every month as public expression of faith.

A bishop is recommending that they set the alarms on their mobile phones to remind them of the new observance as part of a move to promote faith in the workplace ahead of the Church’s “Year of Faith”.

It comes in the week that British government lawyers went to the European Court of Human Rights to defend the right of employers to ban the wearing of public symbols of faith such as the cross in the workplace.

The Rt Rev Kieran Conry, the Bishop of Arundel and Brighton and chair of the Church in England and Wales’s evangelisation committee, said the plan drew on traditions of saying special Friday prayers dating back to the 17th century.

He said: “I would like to invite every Catholic, especially during the Year of Faith, to pause for a moment of prayer of praise and thanksgiving at 3pm if possible, or perhaps when you break for lunch, on the first Friday of every month.

“Whatever you are doing, as your responsibilities allow, stop, perhaps close your eyes, bow your head and prayerfully and silently meditate on the sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross out of love for you and everyone.

  • baw

    While it is important that they resolve the child sex scandles and prevent future ones. The work of this organisation must goes on. We don’t stop sack all the cops when one commits a crime.

    In any case I recall that Jesus said seek ye first the Kingdom of god and his righteousness. Prayer is part of that.

  • Travis Poulson

    We were about due for another Catholic bashing post, been a while. Pity this one was about….erm…well nothing really. Just Catholics going about being Catholics. But, um, oh yes, attaaaaaack!!

    • nasska

      It’s Sunday & it’s what we do!

    • Gayguy

      Defending child abusers again I see Travis.

      • Travis Poulson

        Not being intelligent enough to post a constructed, logical and sensible response again I see Gayguy.

        • Gayguy

          The truth is the truth travis. And you were semi defending catholic kiddie fiddlers.

          And when it comes to brains, you are consistently running on empty.

          • Travis Poulson

            “you were semi-defending…”

            Don’t be dumb. Only an absent minded thicko would even interpret my comment that way. Ironic that you make a comment to someone else about twisting words.

            Reboot your brain, construct a decent argument to bring to the debate, and stop embarrassing yourself with these silly juvenile interjections that add nothing other than make you look like a bitter poofter that has to continue to attack those that oppose gay marriage.

            You don’t do a very good job at serving your cause.

          • Gayguy

            Well then travis it should not matter than Whale went after a kiddie fiddling catholic. You should support him and denounce the catholic. Yet you got all uppity. So I guess if you are not happy with what Whale did, it is because you are a defender of bad people.

            Or Catholics.

          • Travis Poulson

            Don’t care what you think:)

          • Gayguy

            Well if that was even remotely true you would not respond to my posts.

          • grumpy

            I see you only comment on poofter posts – obsessed much?

          • Travis Poulson

            That’s the thing, this isn’t even a poofter post. Just a bitter, jilted and angry poofter feeling the need to attack anti gay marriage people where ever they go. Sad.

          • grumpy

            Threatened?

          • Travis Poulson

            Or bitchiness from a raw arse.

          • grumpy

            Saddle sore……..

          • Gayguy

            No, what is sad is you Travis, crying that the priest pedos are being unmasked.

          • Travis Poulson

            Making you aware of your own idiocy does not suggest a hint of giving a shit. Pretty obvious who the majority of readers support, and it ain’t you ya angry homo :)

          • Gayguy

            Boo hoo poor Travis. Having to prove how *cough* clever he is. Even though he is rather thick.

          • Travis Poulson

            You oughta get the cough looked at.

          • Travis Poulson

            Should be denouncing kiddle fiddlers in general you cretin, not catholics. Tunnel visioned angry poof. But whatever contributes to the argument eh?

          • Ungay guy

            Gayguy, get over the fact that Catholics don’t support gay marriage and they are never likely to. The point is the Church has systems in place to deal with “kiddy fiddlers”(maybe a bit bit slow about it, but it is there). For a soy called gay you sound fucking miserable.Wish the the Whale would lay off Catholics or at least pay equal attention to boy buggerers in other organisations. Seems to be a monthly exercise for him though. Never mind you and Whale will get a mention in my prayers when I follow the good Bishop’s wishes. God Bless and forgive you.

          • Gayguy

            That is a rather sweeping and incorrect statement. SOME Catholics do not support marriage equality, but a lot do.

            It is just the loud mouth hater kind who get all the press. And as for “laying off” , ahhhh no. Go after the boy buggering priests. Go get em Whale.

        • pukakidon

          Trav

          It seems that Gayguy is a heterophobe. Probably got refused by a heterosexual when he tried it on at some stage. You know what they say “hell hath no fury like a gayman scorned?

          • Travis Poulson

            Heh! Or a another gay told him he was straight just so he would stop hitting on him.

  • nasska

    A priest is in the confessional giving penance one day, and he realises that he has to take a leak. He waves over a nearby nun and
    says to her, “Sister, please deliver penance for a short while as I must perform a necessary function.”
    The nun agrees, but looks a little puzzled. “Father, how will I know what penance to give to who?” The priest replies, “There’s a little list on the wall. Consult it and it’ll tell you what to do,” and runs off.
    A few minutes later, a man walks into the confessional and says, “Father forgive me, for I have sinned. I have stolen from my neighbour.” The nun looks at the list on the wall and finds stealing on the list. “Say two Hail Mary’s and be on your way.”
    “This isn’t too hard,” she thinks to herself. A few minutes later, another fellow walks in. “Father forgive me, for I have sinned,” he says, “I have fornicated.”
    The nun looks on the list and finds fornication. “Say two Hail Mary’s and an Our Father and be on your way.”
    Then she starts thinking, “this isn’t hard at all! I could do this more often!” A third man walks in and says, “Father forgive me, for I have sinned. I had oral sex,”
    The nun looks at the list on the wall but she can’t find a listing for oral sex. She looks around nervously and spots an altar boy. She pulls him aside and asks him, “What does the Father give for oral sex?”
    “I don’t know what he gives you, Sister, but he give me two Kit-Kats and a pat on the head.”

    • grumpy

      Gold……

  • Ronnie Chow
    • Rebecca

      Did you actually read the article before you called it a cover up? Looks more like a botch-up by a bishop who failed to follow canon law meaning that another priest had to take action. The bishop was charged based on the reporting priest’s testimony but perhaps you’d prefer if they handled it like every other institution, hiding under a rock until an investigation can find “system failure” and everybody can wring their hands and deny responsibility. Since this happened in the US where doctors and teachers conduct far more abuse than Christian priests, maybe you want to reconsider where the “cover ups” allegedly are occurring.

      As for somebody in the UK recommending that people stop and pray at 3pm: sheesh, who cares? Some will do it, some won’t. Why would it be of interest to anybody else?

  • kowtow

    Any chance to attack the catholics will be gleefully taken.Bigotry at it’s rawest.
    How many NZ teachers have been done in the last month or so and yet we don’t see the same level of bile directed at the whole education establishment.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Yep attack them too, all teachers, and especially the kiddy fiddler ones

      • Teachersrock

        Attack all teachers?? What a load of bull shit. You must have been the dumb kid in class who now blames his teachers for all the misfortunes in his life.

        There are times when you can be a total idiot. Most teachers are amazing people, so why would you encourage attacking amazing dedicated hard working people?

        • RightOfGenghis

          Like honest politicans, I’m sure amazing teachers do exist. But to claim ‘most teachers are amazing’ sounds like a bit of a stretch to me

          • Teachersrock

            No it is not. NZ has a vast number of amazing teachers. Working away behind the scenes. Its only the bad ones you ever hear about. And if you work out the %, you will find the bad ones are very few and far between.

          • RightOfGenghis

            Yes I’m sure teachers do work away behind the scenes. However you forget parents interact directly with dozens of these people throughout their child’s school years. In my experience they are a very mixed bag and to describe most of them as ‘amazing’ is just plain wrong. But good on you for swinging in behind them

        • nasska

          ….”so why would you encourage attacking amazing dedicated hard working people?”……

          Because they are amazing union hacks who spend more time instilling socialist crap into the heads of the kids entrusted to them than teaching them anything useful. Also their union protects the amazing kiddie fiddlers amongst them.

          Should do for starters.

          • Teachersrock

            Teachers teach according to the NZC, a curriculum that National agrees with. If you bother to look at it as opposed to blathering out bullshit you would see that is is far from socialist.

            But then idiots like you would rather tell lies and rant about bullshit than inform yourself about the truth.

          • nasska

            The curriculum may be set outside the classroom but the teachers get their chance to put their own spin on it. Listening to the crap my grandchildren have stuffed down their throats is all the convincing I need.

          • Teachersrock

            Well lets here some of the “crap”. And just remember, the values of now and your day will be different.

            So lets have a few examples.

          • nasska

            One goody that came up a couple of weeks ago was the incredible suffering of the Tangata Whenua after colonisation. Most of the crap is subtle spin which pushes one side of a situation & gives no airtime to the other.

            I never said that you conniving hacks weren’t good at what you specialise in.

          • Teachersrock

            Well that is rather vague at best nasska. And there was a lot of suffering heaped on Maori at the time of European arrival, but unless you provide more information it sounds like your grandkids were getting facts and your a tad racist. But as I said, that will be a generational thing.

          • Lion_ess

            Clearly you are no english teacher .. hear hear

          • nasska

            And let’s get back onto subject. How do you feel about your union protecting & covering for the kiddie fiddlers amongst you?

          • Teachersrock

            Actually the topic was child abusing priests. But to answer your question I am opposed to them doing it, however unions are there to help their members, guilty or not.

  • cows4me

    I guess praying the first Friday in the month has to be a lot better then bowing to the west 5 times a day, praying, then going out and blowing yourself up along with as many others you can take with yourself. While screwing the altar boy might not be good form it has to be better then blown to bits. What a beat up.

  • Lion_ess

    Imagine the outrage if Maoris decide upon a work break to pray to the taniwha

    • Mitch82

      Well, if the Christians can do it, we atheists might get in on the act. 3pm meditation on how awesome it is not having an imaginary friend who judges everything you do and ALWAYS needs money.

      As if a wife wasn’t enough.

      • Lion_ess

        God needs some serious budgeting advice

        • Mitch82

          Lawyers aren’t cheap, Lioness. You don’t even get a bulk discount, which is a shame for the Church.. imagine the savings.

          • Lion_ess

            Guess they’ve used up all the miracles. .

  • http://nzconservative.blogspot.com Lucia Maria

    I’ll be willing to bet that any boy buggerer would not have spent alot of time in real prayer with Jesus. 3pm is a time of incredible grace when a person spends time meditating on Our Lord’s sacrifice on the Cross, so it would be a real worthwhile and transformative time to pray, no matter what you had done in your life. However, prolific sinners who dont want to change have the most trouble with prayer, and would therefore be most scornful of such an initiative.

    • Lion_ess

      Are you saying that the “sinners” wouldn’t benefit from this down-tools prayer time? That while all the good Catholics have their eyes closed praying, the naughty one’s could safely keep sinning without being caught.

      • http://nzconservative.blogspot.com Lucia Maria

        I am saying they would benefit from it, but they are less likely to actually do it.

    • Gayguy

      Sinners such as yourself Lucia. People like you who preach hate and twist Gods words to suit your own bigoted view point. Perhaps 3pm prayers for people like you might help you see the harm you do.

    • Kimbo

      “However, prolific sinners who dont want to change have the most trouble
      with prayer, and would therefore be most scornful of such an initiative.”

      …and yet again, we have a voice from within the Catholic Church, who claims to speak on her behalf, who claims to be wiser than Jesus: –

      ““And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray
      standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by
      others” (Matther 6:5b, NIV).

      Hypocrites (aka “prolific sinners”) love (aka “have no prouble with prayer”) public prayer (aka “such an initiative”).

      And “3pm is a time of incredible grace”?! How dare you arrogantly insist you can institutionally prescribe and control the time and place by which God mediates his grace. Sola Christo, Sola Gratia, Sola Scriptura – Christ alone (and not the church!) as sole mediator of his grace alone, through the Scriptures (and not church traditions or bureaucratic decrees, some, as per this “initiative” in direct contravention of Christ’s commads!).

      Usually I’d let you give your RC spin on things, Lucia Maria. I have stood by for a number of weeks. I may not agree with WO on many spiritual matters, but I’m getting a bit fed up by your pious attitude that assumes

      1. You have a sole mortgage on spiritual truth, and the authority to properly interpret and apply it to specific contexts, and
      2. that truth is found within the confines of Roman Catholic doctrine and practice

      • Rebecca

        Not sure where all this is coming from. Certainly the reference to hypocrites is wasted: if you read the actual article, it’s about the Bishop of Brighton recommending quiet contemplation for his flock, as responsibilities allow, on the first Friday of the month, at 3pm or lunch time or some other convenient time if 3pm is no good. No banging of cymbals there, just people quietly affirming their faith as responsibilities allow rather than acting ashamed as some here might prefer. FWIW, both 3pm and extra prayer on the first Friday of the month have been longstanding traditions (17th century is the first reference for the Friday prayers, as it says in the quoted article). I’d also observe that Brighton has no more of a priest boy buggering problem than New Zealand so this is an even less credible attack vehicle than usual.
        If you really want a hypocrite, ask why authors of long attack posts aren’t proportionate in their attacks on far more overt Muslim demonstrations of faith. Perhaps it’s easy to act brave when you know your target will turn the other cheek.

        • Kimbo

          “Not sure where all this is coming from. Certainly the reference to
          hypocrites is wasted: if you read the actual article, it’s about the
          Bishop of Brighton recommending quiet contemplation for his flock…”

          Ho, hum. More rationalising and failing to heed the patently obvious…

          “Millions
          of Roman Catholics are being urged to stop and pray publicly at
          3pm on first Friday of every month as (take note of this next
          expression, Rebecca, and stop being a smart arse, telling others to
          ‘”read” when you are willfully refusing to do so yourself) public
          expression of faith.”

          …compared with…

          “And
          when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray
          standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be (take note,
          Rebecca!) seen by others”.

          I don’t care if this has been done
          since the 17th century, or the 7th. It ain’t Biblical, like a lot of
          other Catholic practice. I’ll refrain from outlining more of a
          Protestant perspective, for fear of being accused of bigotry, and have
          you whining more about “long attack posts”, other than to observe, what
          is it about Catholics that they cannot/will not just let the Scriptures
          speak without some tradition or council or Pope silencing it!

          And
          why no attack on Muslims? Because ultimately they do not claim the
          teachings of Christ as the ultimate standard for doctrine and life.
          Silly red herring.

    • Ronnie Chow

      Lucia , next time you are in prayer with Jesus , please ask him if He knew in advance that He would be crucified , and if so , from what age ?
      And then ask , if He did not know , whether that could be construed as a (very human) mistake ?

      • Rodger T

        I think you will find that amongst the religious it is perfectly normal to talk to Jesus,it is when he talks back ,that is when you are considered insane.
        Unless of course, you are the pope or Brian Tamaki, the higher up the ladder the more insanity is considered normal.

        • Mitch82

          Oh piss off – Jesus *needs* that money. For bigger churches, and stuff.

    • Mitch82

      3pm in what time zone? Are we talking Jerusalem time, local, GMT?

      • Ronnie Chow

        Obviously 3pm everywhere , otherwise god will need a bigger server .

  • Kimbo

    Umm, does it make me a Protestant bigot to point out that, “Millions of Roman Catholics are being urged to stop and pray publicly at
    3pm on first Friday of every month as public expression of faith” sounds suspiciously like a direct contradiction of Christ’s command?: –

    5 “And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 6 But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6: 5-6, NIV).

    So it sounds to me like the Rt Rev Kieran Conry is prepared to distort the use of prayer for cheap publicity, or to induce a persecution-complex mentality amongst Catholics who may suffer ridicule as a result. I have no problem with public proclamation of the Christian gospel, and none either with prayer. However, I’d suggest the teaching of Jesus is that they are distinct.

    But then, the commands of Scripture have usually been over-ruled by tradition by Rome. That and the arrogance that assumes only the Roman Catholic hierarchy has the authority to correctly interpret them. If the Church had officially pressed on with some of the reforms and exhibited the humility that John XXIII initiated with Vatican II, I’d maybe be prepared to cut their leadership some slack. However, the present Pope, and his predecessor have charted a very different course doctrinally.

    I have some sympathy with my Catholic friends at the linking of paedophilia with their church. Churches, whether Catholic, Protestant, or Pentecostal are obvious targets for paedophiles. Some maybe turn up in the first instance seeking forgiveness and transformation, but it doesn’t work out that way.

    However, it seems to me that if the Roman Catholic Church leadership holds the extent of rulership over its members that it claims, and it is most certainly much more officially hierarchical than its Protestant brethren, then the hierarchy are more directly responsible for what goes on within her ranks.

    Plus, as a Christian, I’m getting a bit fed up with churches, be they Catholic, Protestant, or whatever bleating and moaning about criticism, some of it valid, some of it not, and bleating “bigotry”. The church derives her authority from Christ, and the only favour we expect from Caesar is freedom to proclaim and practice our faith. Which the Catholic and Protestant churches of the west most certainly do. Cry, “bigotry and intolerance” and I have two ears for you, one of them deaf, and the other tin. I’d far rather extend sympathy and support to Christians who are genuinely persecuted for their faith, especially in parts of the Middle East, Africa, and Asia…

  • Phar Lap

    Yes would be good to introduce the Anglican Church.At time of blogging one of their “married priests”is up on 23 charges of little boy buggering.Also a church deacon in Kaitaia from another Church, not Catholic or Anglican is up on boy buggering so WTF.

    • Travis Poulson

      Well well well. Kiddie fiddlers all ‘around then eh? I wonder if these get included in future posts, or will it just be the focus on Catholics. Kiddie fiddlers are from all walks of life, but then I guess they won’t feature here unless they’re Catholic, oppose gay marriage or are a teacher.

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