Talk about ideology polluting education

The NZ Principals’ Federation is upset that someone from the Ministry of Education has called them out for the state of our education system. But check out what their spokesman said in his latest missive about the issue:

‘The problem we have in New Zealand,’ says Simpson, ‘is not an educational achievement issue but an equity issue,’ he said.

‘The Secretary has correctly identified equity as an issue the country must urgently address, but has picked the wrong solution,’ says Simpson. ‘Dismantling a high performing education system will not put less money in the pockets of the richest and more in the pockets of the poorest,’ he said.

If that doesn’t tell you about the ideological bent of these muppets then nothing will.

Nothing short of pure socialist ideology. This has no place in our education system…the NZPF has now revealed itself as a highly political mouthpiece for socialism and the Labour party.

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  • Goldie

    “the NZPF has now revealed itself as a highly political mouthpiece for socialism and the Labour party.”

    Please.

    The NZPF (and the other teacher unions) have ALWAYS been mouthpieces for socialism and the Labour Party.

  • Magor

    And we the general public sit back and accept this…??????

    • botti

      You have to realise that there are three main views on the cause of academic underachievement. Simplistic summary:

      1. To progressives the cause of educational underachievement is social and economic inequality. Peter Simpson obviously comes into this category.

      2. To conservatives, the cause is bad teachers and unions, low standards etc.

      3. Biorealist (Voldemort) view: cognitive ability determines academic achievement; therefore, the achievement gap is caused in large part by differences in mean cognitive ability.

      http://educationrealist.wordpress.com/2012/01/03/taking-sides/

      • Magor

        Thank you.

  • botti

    *** ‘The Secretary has correctly identified equity as an issue the country must urgently address, but has picked the wrong solution,’ says Simpson. ‘Dismantling a high performing education system will not put less money in the pockets of the richest and more in the pockets of the poorest,’ he said.***

    The flaw here is that Simpson clearly thinks that socio-economic status or money causes academic achievement. But he’s got the causation wrong. Otherwise asian students from poor households wouldn’t do so well academically.

    Also, I imagine pointing out the link between IQ and hard work on school achievement would make Simpson’s head explode.

    http://infoproc.blogspot.co.nz/2011/09/true-grit.html

  • Allyson

    Teachers now villified as members of society when once were admired. Make no mistake it is side effect of Trade Union nastyism. Our teachers are better than this and will one day reclaim their Union and the rightful place in heart of society.

    • Teachersrock

      The problem is non teachers these days see them as experts, knowing more than those who actually are in the job. When frankly they do not.

      It also does not help with Governments attacking teachers and using education as a political football.

      • GregM

        I know almost nothing about education. However, I do know that my daughter was failing badly at state school. For example, her end of year 9 science exam She got 47%. She is now at a private school, her end of year 10,,,,82%.

        Go figure.

        • AzaleaB

          Similar story. State school and my daughters reading age at 10 was 9.5 years old average( and had been for 3 years???). Her maths sucked. In one year in a private school her reading age went to 14.5 years and she went from a remedial maths group into the top class. She is now doing Cambridge and getting excellent marks.

      • Lion_ess

        …..”see themselves” .. I think you’ll find is better grammar.

      • Dion

        So do you not believe that the teaching fraternity should accept any of the responsibility for how they’re perceived by the public?

        I went to school much more recently than Cam Slater did – and while I had a handful of good teachers my opinion of the profession is not high.

        Can you honestly not think of any other reason why that might be?

        • Teachersrock

          And without fail the self appointed experts who know nothing respond.

          • GregM

            Teachersrock / meg.

            I find your arrogance breathtaking. You “experts” were responsible for the education of my child for 6 hours per day. Her family, friends and neighbours teach her more things for the other 18 hours per day. But you know best, and the parents genuine concerns you ignored, because we are all self appointed experts.
            I have taken my girl out of the socialist state system, and she now has real role models in the staff, and NZ’s business leaders who come to the school to give motivation talks to the kids on a regular basis.
            I am asking the IRD for a refund of my tax that I have paid for education, if any other trade does an unacceptable job, they don’t get paid, why should you lot be treated any different?
            Open your eyes, what you are doing is not good enough.

          • axeman

            Greg, Teacherscock/MEg is undoubtedly one of those types who are high on ego-centred, intimidating,manipulative, passive aggressive but low on attention to detail, duty, work focus and influence.
            Shaw nailed it ‘Those who can do, those who can’t teach’.

          • Teachersrock

            When people use the phrase “socialist state system” they lose all credibility and look like total fools.

            And you can call me all the names you like, but at the end of the day, I know better than you when it comes to matters regarding education.

          • Goldie

            Teachersrock wrote: ” at the end of the day, I know better than you when it comes to matters regarding education”

            I think this shows rather nicely the arrogance of many teachers.

            Actually, Teachersrock, most caring parents have a pretty damn good idea about the education of their kids.

      • Patrickm

        The proof of the pudding is in the eating – how long is the tail of underachievement in the NZ education sector & is it now longer than it was 20, 30, 40 years ago?
        This needs to be measured using “core” subjects, not the touchy feely crap that is currently measured – & is of little use in the real world.

  • PaulIePaul2012

    When they point to Finland as the model that we should be following I suspect they would

    prefer the USSR or Cuban model – but saying that would expose their true values.

  • BJ

    So then, they really do strive to dumb down all children to the same level in order to drag down all would be achievers, movers and shakers instead of striving to elevate the rest

  • http://truebluenz.com/ Redbaiter

    Dumb socialist teachers- dumbing down our education system to improve the vote for their dumb socialist politicians.

    • Teachersrock

      Dumbarse right wing idiots who know nothing about education.

      • botti

        Do you agree with my summary below?

  • tspoon

    People don’t eat lots because they’re fat – they’re fat because they eat lots. Likewise, people aren’t stupid and lazy because they’re poor – they’re poor because they’re stupid and/or lazy. No amount of money can really fix that particular inequality.

    • Lion_ess

      Soooooo true ….

  • Butts_McButts

    Is there any legal precedent to stop funding an organisation that is actually pushing an abject political agenda?

  • mabel.gruntfuttock

    Don’t be hard on our teachers. They can’t help it. They never left school.

  • Dion

    So the problem with education in this country is that our tax system isn’t redistributionist enough?

    If he truly believes that then perhaps he should go back to berating bewildered school children. At least they’ll listen to him.

  • Mark

    Let’s be fucking honest here – there aren’t that many Maori or Pacific Islanders in Finland. For fucks sake – stop putting forward bullshit comparisons.

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