Questions Labour and the Greens should be asking David Carter

Instead of rabbiting on about stupid stuff like Planet Key, Labour and the Greens should be holding David Carter’s feet to the fire. He has been touting figures about loss to farmers incomes from the One Plan decision that has no correlation to reality, and making him justify something that is clearly wrong will make entertaining viewing.

Any half decent opposition MP should be able to have blood spilt when a minister makes statements that like Carter has, and when Ministry staff go on the record saying stuff that is obviously wrong.

The scenarios resulting in 22 per cent to 43 per cent cuts to profit were “extreme” and “actually bear little similarity to the One Plan”, Richard Gordon said. The scenario most similar to the One Plan would have an impact on profitability of less than 1 per cent.

He received a response from the ministry’s director of resource policy, Mike Jebsen, who said the scenario mentioned in the memos was “in our view most closely matched the Environment Court direction”.

Asked about Landcare’s email yesterday, Mr Jebsen said the 22 to 43 per cent figures were the best indication of likely impact.

In September, the court, having heard from five economists from Fonterra, Horticulture NZ, Fish & Game and two from Horizons, concluded the effect on farmers would be an average of 5 per cent of annual expenses.

This is a pretty easy play. The people that authored the report are saying the Ministry doesn’t know the difference between their arsehole and elbow, yet the ministry still justify it.

An aspiring opposition leader like Grant Robertson needs to deliver some heads, and David Carter’s head has been served up on a platter by his ministry.

Question Time should be interesting on the 27th, unless Grant bottles it like he did his leadership coup.

  • Bruno 32

    A 5 % increase in farm expenses could quite easily result in a 40 % drop in profit to many farming businesses at current prices.

    • DairyMan

      Indeed. WO was asked in his last post about this to clarify, Carter and Feds are talking % impact to profit, all the articles WO has linked to have been about % increase in costs. Two very different animals, and still no clarity.

      • Mediaan

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        Reading carefully, this interim Court decision is very dangerous indeed. (Final decision of Court is due at the end of this month.)

        As WO says above, the Court’s interim decision is that it would impact 5% on EXPENSES. And Gordon of Landcare claims it would impact PROFITS by less than 1%.

        One notes the economists consulted were all from townies and belligerent interest groups.

        But go to the council’s own website. Look at FAQ. The Plan is appalling.

        It is obvious that it will impact terribly hard on farmers. The FedFarm side’s figures are right.

        David Carter is correct.

        I will take it further. This could put a farmer out of business.

        If farmers have to start getting permission from Council every time they “clear vegetation on a riverbank” or conduct minor shifts of soil or clay, even small projects, they will GO NUTS. They will never get any real outdoor work done.

        Here is FAQ link:

        http://www.horizons.govt.nz/about-us/one-plan/frequently-asked-questions/

        I can hardly believe it. The poor farmers. An unfriendly Council could make a disliked farmer’s life hell.

        These Councils are dangerous!
        These Councils are dim!
        These Councils have a monopoly!

        Nobody polices them effectively. You can take a decision to court, but it will cost you tens of thousands and maybe many years.

        How do you do that to several decisions from a Council that is just being a nuisance out of spite?

        This means a bunch of, say, one certain religion in council could drive all farmers of a different religion out of the district. They could do it just by applying One Plan enthusiastically to the targeted farm, (but not to their friends’ or co-religionists’ farms).

  • cows4me

    Jeez I don’t get it Whale you quoted a figure of less then 1% the other day now it’s five but hay I told you so . Enough of your townie bullshit , farmers are getting shafted up the arse by useless suckholes from bureaucrats , councils to other useless wasters, example the fucktards that are forcing a total disaster , nait ,down our throats , google it. We are fed up with the horseshit useless townie wankers, who constantly dream up new schemes to steal money they are to fucking hopeless to for work for themselves. I’ll tell you what’s happening, wankers from councils, cocksuckers from local government are seeing their revnue streams drying up , these useless fucks will use any excuse to take from those that actually work in this country, to prop up their failing lifestyles and budgets. You can include your bullshit one plan at the top of the list. As for your pollution crap and those that pollute should pay, start with your fucking cites mate.

    • Bruno 32

      You are so right mate . But you are being a bit harsh on our town dwelling friends because on average they are poor and will not be able to pay the cost of cleaning up their backyard. You now need to include in your list of fucktards the zealots that are now working for Fonterra ,assure quality as well as the likes of ecan.The lagoon at the,Rangitata river mouth is GREEN often and I said to my wife ,that has to be a result of all these people pissing and shitting. Go and have a look ,it sticks out like dog balls.

  • unitedtribes

    Its not that hard to keep cows out of creeks

    • Callum

      Not hard for councils not to dump raw sewerage into rivers everytime it rains.

    • Mediaan

      It’s not about that. Do your homework.

  • Mediaan

    This is a blatant power grab by Councils. They want to rule us. Beware because you might be next.

  • Mark

    Carter is incompetent…. lets raise the average National Caucus IQ in one easy move…get rid of Carter……http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/tag/shechita/

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