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They each need a backhander and their sim cards confiscated for a month

by Whaleoil on November 15, 2012

A Nelson man who was targeted with fireworks by a group of youths has had to agree he went too far by hitting them.  He’s been ordered to pay $100 per offence.

The group had been moved on by an elderly resident and then started setting off fireworks up Te Wehi’s driveway.

Te Wehi grabbed a bit of flaxbush and confronted the group, hitting a female on the wrist with the piece of flaxbush and a male in the forehead.

Lawyer Mark Dollimore said the group of 20 or so youths had been letting fireworks off for about an hour in the street.

Te Wehi had held himself together until they started firing fireworks at his roof – waking up his son – and up his driveway.

He initially went out to the group to get them to move on and accepted he had gone too far and should have called police.

Te Wehi had been under pressure due to domestic issues, and when the group started firing fireworks at his house that “lit his fuse”. One of the youths had been filming the incident.

Judge Richard Russell said he understood that Te Wehi was provoked by having the fireworks aimed at his roof and down his driveway, but he could not take the law into his own hands.

No need to imagine what message this sends to the 20 or so crims in the making.

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  • Travis Poulson

    size 12 steelcaps up the tailbone, and skeet style for the phones.

  • Ratesarerevolting

    Why are we admitting retards to the bench ?

    • Mohawk Genocide

      So why don’t you go down to the station and give the police prosecutor a kick in the nuts yourself? Need is the basis of lawlessness.

  • Zephyr Cobalt

    Yet another limp-wristed attempt by an impotent judge to show the community that judges care more about the criminals than the victims. I wish the crims had stuck a few fire works up judge richard russell’s arse and filmed it for you tube..

  • Zephyr Cobalt

    When is this national government going to stop pussy footing around the liberals and put some pressure on the judiciary to get tough with criminals (especially bail laws)? All of these 20 plus hoons should have been lined up, charged with vandalism and disturbing the peace, made to apologise to Mr Te Wehi, and given 100 hours community service. Quite simple really.

    • Mohawk Genocide

      Disturbing the peace relates to violence or inciting violence. Throwing fireworks onto a roof is not vandalism if there is no damage and it is not disturbing the peace.

      • http://elephanza.blogspot.co.nz/ Duncan Brown

        You misquote the story. “Throwing fireworks onto a roof” does not equate to “firing fireworks at his roof”. However misguided and folish the intention, the consequences could have been fatal.

        • Mohawk Genocide

          Skyrockets were banned years ago. Are you suggesting that the fireworks could have started a house fire which caused death, or something else?

          • Bunswalla

            What a cock you are. “Disturbing the peace relates to violence or inciting violence” – bullshit. There isn’t even a crime in New Zealand called Disturbing the Peace. These louts are guilty of disorderly behaviour at best and there have been plenty of instances where firing lighted fireworks at a roof has caused a fire. You only need a few dried leaves in the gutter and this man could have lost his house quite easily.
            Still, there will always be tossers like you with a sense of entitlement and a predilection for hugging crims, ready to leap the defence of the indefensible.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            1. I didn’t imply that there is a crime in NZ called disturbing the peace.

            2. The issue was fire causing death, not fire in general.
            3. I don’t have sense of entitlement or a predilection for hugging crims.

            “What a cock you are, tosser” -> Bunswalla

          • Bunswalla

            You’re a cock-tosser and a liar, incapable of reading your own posts.
            1. Are you suggesting that by defining what “disturbing the peace” is or isn’t, as you tried to do (incorrectly), what you really meant was that there’s no such thing?
            2. So you’re quite happy for people to cause a fire and burn someone’s house down, as long as nobody dies? In which case, you…
            3. Like hugging crims, as long as they don’t kill anybody, just indulge in some harmless arson fun. And then you try and blame it on the poor old man that was targeted by these friends of yours.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            I did not try to blame Te Wehi as you said I did, and you have no way of knowing if the kids are my friends.

            “You’re a cock-tosser and a liar” -> Bunswalla.

          • Bunswalla

            So, just so we’re clear, you agree you were talking complete shit about the disturbing the peace thing, you endorse arson as long as nobody actually dies, and you have no friends – got it.
            Have you ever considered that these things are related in any way?

          • Mohawk Genocide

            I mistakenly described disturbing the peace as breaching the peace.

            You falsely accused me of being a liar, of endorsing arson, of having a predilection for hugging crims, and of blaming Te Wehi.

            Who is the cock-tosser and liar, Bunswalla?

          • Bunswalla

            You. Clearly. And a cock-smoker.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            Based on nothing but your false allegation.
            Got devil much?

          • Bunswalla

            You’re speaking in tongues again

          • Mohawk Genocide

            Devil means slanderer (from diablos).
            You said “again”, but this is the first time you’ve said anything about speaking in tongues.

          • Bunswalla

            It might be the first time I mentioned it, but I’ll bet a dollar to a knob of goat poo it’s not the first time you’ve spoken in tongues.

            Two more examples of why everything that comes from your keyboard is bollocks:

            1. Slander is an oral issue, not a written one – dickhead.

            2. The correct etymology of slanderer is a long way from your ham-fisted attempt. Middle English slaundre, from Old French esclandre, alteration
            of escandle, from Latin scandalum, cause of offense, stumbling block; see scandal.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            Given your history of false representation, what are the odds that you would win your bet?

            Like it or not devil means slanderer and that is your hat, not mine.

            And then there’s your dishonour in ignoring motives re Te Wehi and the kids.

            Karma can be a real bitch.

          • Bunswalla

            All I’ve done is feed back your own pile of steaming shit to you, so I like my odds pretty good. You’ve (again) shown your predilection to hugging crims by referring to them fondly as “the kids” when what they are is a bunch of immature thugs, albeit up to the age of 20.
            And that’s Mr Te Wehi to you, scumbag crim-hugger.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            You are lying again, you have tried to make a bet.

            Your hit/mass count so far has more than 3 misses. if you can’t quote two cases where I showed what you accused me of then you are full of shit.

            1. being a liar
            2. endorsing arson
            3. having a predilection for hugging crims
            4.blaming Te Wehi.

          • Bunswalla

            Hit/mass? You really are speaking in togues now. Better go off to mass and I also recommend you book a couple of hours confession to get all this crim-hugging off your conscience. It can’t be good for you, and is clearly affecting your ability to make coherent statements.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            Hit/miss. As if it wasn’t obvious.

            Since you cant show what you said was there, it’s obvious that you are lying.

            Eat shit and die, devil boy.

          • Bunswalla

            Charmed, I’m sure. Thanks so much for your input – cock-smoking crim-huggers that recommend arson, blame victims and speak in tongues are always welcome. Keep up the good work.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit – suits you down to the ground, Bunswalla. Isn’t it interesting how slanderers have a problem with people who advocate the investigation of intent?

          • Bunswalla

            Well I’m glad I have some wit. You’re half-way there.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            I note that you don’t want to talk about your slander or the original intent, Bunswalla. Perhaps it’s something to do with neccessity having no law?

          • Bunswalla

            Life must be fun on planet Mohawk Genocide, if a little lonely. Well, completely lonely.

  • Sym Gardiner

    I have no problem with this… so long as the 20 “youths” ALL are similarly charged.

  • LesleyNZ

    Brats. Shame on the judge.

  • stanman

    unbelievable ! just plain unbelievable

  • blazer

    Judge in a no win situation.Fireworks are legal but there appears to be real provocation by this group,filmed it and laid a complaint.You could ban fireworks I guess.

    • http://www.theologyweb.com/ Roger de Laborde

      Fireworks are legal, but shooting them at someone’s house isn’t

    • cows4me

      Why ban fireworks blazer ? Why do we always seem to get governance to the lowest common denominator? Why should the 99% that behave themselves get punished for the actions of a few? Instead of lifting the bottom up we are always forced to bring the top down, this country is governed by soft cocked apologists. Want to fix most of our problems ? Make the fucktards accountable not everyone else.

      • blazer

        Mohawke makes a good point.May be more to this incident.There is alot of support to ban fireworks,(apart from controlled exhibitions)because of the safety aspect and that is an important consideration.I know,I know govt interference again,but …

        • stinkeye

          Todays fireworks couldn’t hurt a fly

        • Dave

          No fireworks here in QLD zero problems, it’s time to ban them from public sale.

          • blazer

            do you have trucks in Qld….just asking for….’stinkeye’.

          • Dave

            Blazer. Just in case Stinkeye asks. Please explain Stinkeye the social benefit of fireworks, and the benefit to society today, and compare the benefits of these fireworks, to say the benefits of trucks, which deliver our food, raw materials etc and keep industry rolling etc etc.

      • Mohawk Genocide

        The lowest common denomiator is an aspect of universalism, which is a religious meme inherent in the Westminster system of government. The religious and political nature or Westminster precedes the reformation, i.e. the Roman Catholic Church was influential. The word catholic is from katholikos, which means universal.

    • Mohawk Genocide

      Banning fireworks doesn’t address the cause of the problem. We don’t know why Te Wehi was targeted.

      • Tristanb

        Are you saying the youth were justified in attacking this man’s house?

        • Mohawk Genocide

          No. What I’m saying is that without knowing what their motives were all we will get is a superficial treatment of the event.

          • Tristanb

            Who cares about their motives!? They did something nasty to an elderly ban. What possible justification do you think they had?

          • Mohawk Genocide

            The point of establishing motives is to avoid unjust or inappropriate retribution and to identify external factors.

          • Bunswalla

            Yes I agree, providing you’re a cock-smoking crim-hugger.

      • StacyMcNaught

        I doesn’t matter why, targeting him as you suggest is no more wrong than him hitting them for doing it. The judge says you cant take the law into your own hands, judging by your earlier posts this is a position you appear to agree with.
        Ironic that you think he cannot react to that situation the way he did but yet you suggest that the youths are justified to “target” him for whatever reason they may or may not have. I’d suggest they had no reason and were just being idiots with no respect for other people, give them a few years they will evolve into someone that posts similar stuff to you on blogs, i.e its always someone elses fault for the dumb shit that i do and when a consequence for my actions happens ( a smack with some flax ) i will piss and moan about it.

        • Mohawk Genocide

          It matters because you cant identify the cause of the problem unless you know why it happened, and if you can’t identify the cause you’ve got little chance of fixing it. Taking the law into you own hands is dangerous, and you are wrong to say that I think that Te Wehi can’t react as he did.

          • Bunswalla

            Typical leftist bullshit – “why can’t we all just get along?”
            This was not a personality clash, or the result of a long-running feud, or utu for some perceived wrong in the past, or a healthy way for family and friends to sort out their differences.
            It was 20 little yobs winding up the neighborhood for fun, and when someone had the guts to call them on it and tell them to move along, they targeted him for sport. That’s all. We don’t need a restorative justice meeting. We don’t want a family conference. We just need the little pricks to realise the error of their ways and make sure they don’t do it again.
            A good backhander and no SIM for a month would probably do the trick.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            You are misrepresenting what i said, Bunswalla. It’s not about getting along, it’s about justice and not basing retaliation or punishment on assumptions.

      • Bunswalla

        Possibly not, but teaching the little cunts not to carry on like pork chops is a good way to prevent it from happewning again.

        • Mohawk Genocide

          I agree.

    • stinkeye

      Typical leftist bullshit blazer – Trucks pollute the air so lets ban air!

      • blazer

        only ban air for…oxygen thieves.

        • Tristanb

          A plastic bag over your head would do it.

          Oh shit, David Shearer is going to ban them.

    • Tristanb

      You’re just taking the piss aren’t you?

      Judges are in a win situation constantly. They can do whatever shit decision they want, and never be held accountable.

      • blazer

        well thats what this judge decided…whats your problem.Same as a referee on a sports field….never gonna please everyone.

        • Tristanb

          Except a shit ref gets fired and has their decisions reviewed. And there’s less nepotism in the appointment of sports referees, and referees are not as biased towards a particular side.

          Our judges will never once have to take responsibility for the results of their decisions. They’re politically motivated and biased in favour of the criminal. Plus they’re stacked full of wealthy lefties.

          At least in sports you’ve got a level playing field and a neutral ref.

  • Dave

    Simple charge the lot of them with attempted arson for firing fireworks at a building. We have become for to PC Hitting them with the flax was the symptom, the cause was their fireworks and careless behavior.

  • http://elephanza.blogspot.co.nz/ Duncan Brown

    “One of the youths had been filming the incident” – so let’s see the evidence and charge the little firebugs. A litle bit of flax is not much worse than a wet bus ticket. “Could not take the law into his own hands”?! What about protecting his property from going up in flames… And then the youths called the police?!

  • toby_toby

    “He initially went out to the group to get them to move on and accepted he had gone too far and should have called police.”

    Call the police? I wonder where the police would have prioritised this against all the other fireworks related incidents at that time as well as the more serious crimes. No, the police would have arrived far too late.
    It’s a shame that you can’t really defend your property here. If you try that shit in the US (in some states) the owner may well come out with a shotgun. You’d the firework chucking shits disappear pretty quick. While I’m not advocating that response here, I think we can agree that a property owner should be able to stand up for himself in a way that gets results.

  • steve and monique

    Disgusting!!!.Judge needs a kick up the arse.

  • JimboBug

    We, as citizens, have outsourced the responsibility for our security to the police and judiciary. If they do not perform to the standards expected of them then we should be perfectly entitled to take action ourselves.
    They would have been very lucky to get away with a smack with a bit of flax if it were more. And I would simply refuse to turn up in court as, in this case, I would deny the court jurisdiction over me.

    • Mohawk Genocide

      Taking responsibility for your own security isn’t compatible with citizenship. The civil system is derived from Roman law in which citizens has the benefit of the protection of the state. Denying jurisdiction is not always possible as an obligation may exist, eg a citizen a can’t deny personal jurisdiction.

      • JimboBug

        If you can show me one document that I have signed, as an adult, agreeing to fully, unconditionally and permanently hand over responsibility for my security, then you may be right. Until then I am responsible for it but may, temporarily, allow the police and courts jurisdiction.

        • Mohawk Genocide

          You said: “We, as citizens”. Anything you say can be used against you.

          • JimboBug

            And I am a citizen – not a subject. The State does not rule over me but is allowed to exist because of me (and my fellow citizens). If the State does not perform to my expectations then I do not have to follow its rules (provided that my actions have no adverse consequences on other citizens – unless protecting myself or my property from them).
            It is the difference between being a free man and being a slave.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            If you identify yourself as a citizen the state has every right to treat you as one in the civil sense – your beliefs about citizenship in the Greek sense do not matter. And yes, it is the difference between freedom and slavery.

    • trisha

      ‘simply refuse to turn up in court’…all that will get you is a fine of up to $2000. or up to 1 year jail………..if any ‘youths’ did that to me or my family…..I would video them, with special care of great close up shot’s of said ‘youth’s’ faces…send it to police and youtube…. these days you have to use the same tactic’s that the ‘youths’ use…cause justice stinks or is it just judges stink

      • JimboBug

        If you do not recognise the courts then they can try and do whatever they want. Doesn’t actually mean anything though.

  • In Vino Veritas

    A-hem. Firing fireworks at a house is causing, or attempting intentional damage. Te Wehi has every right to protect his property. To many Judges these days claim “taking the law in your own hands” when there is facility for just that under the Crimes Act. What Te Wehi should have claimed was that he was trying to bring the kids to justice under Sections 35 – 39 of the Crimes Act. He is allowed to use reasonable force in these instances. Walloping a kid with a bit of flax bush whent they may have been threatening him would have been justified.

    • Mohawk Genocide

      No, they could have been intending to cause annoyance but not damage.

      Taking the law into you own hands does not mean that you are bound by the Crimes Act.

      Justification is based on facts, not assumptions i.e. “may have been threatening”

      • In Vino Veritas

        So one has to wait to see if one is shot before assuming one is justified in defending oneself? Nice work Mohawk.

        • Mohawk Genocide

          Self defence is a common law right, in other words justification is not assumed.

          • Bunswalla

            Fucking amateur bush lawyer. Go and get some education before you start pontificating on matters you clearly know nothing about. Your continued defence of these vandals and arsonists betrays your ignorance, your probable racism, and your overwhelming urge to hug criminals. Get help.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            The thing is Busnwalla, people notice when you can’t quote what you allege that I said. Why you are you such a liar?

          • Bunswalla

            Cock-smokers like you always trip themselves up. For example, you agree with me that teaching the little cunts not to do it again is a good idea (read your own post, cock-smoker, the one that says “I agree”) and at the same time you’re saying that Te Wehi may have been to blame and that “slanderers” don’t like investigating intent.
            SO on the one hand you say that perhaps there was more to this and Te Wehi may be to blame – don’t go jumping to conclusions until you understand motivation and intent blah blah blah. While on the other hand you agree that they are little cunts that shouldn’t do it again – despite your earlier assertion that perhaps it wasn’t their fault and the little kiddies just need a hug.
            Hoist with your own petard, cock-smoker!

          • Mohawk Genocide

            That’s not what I agreed with – you were talking about the general case. But why would you start telling the truth now?

          • Bunswalla

            It’s not what you agreed with, it’s what you stated, then denied. At least have the balls to own your own bullshit, buddy. Being a serial liar/denier is not cool.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            If you were telling the truth then you could quote what I said, Bunswalla, you lying hypocrite.

          • Bunswalla

            I always tell the truth. You’re just too stupid to even find your own posts – either that or you deny them once you read them again and realise how ill-informed, uneducated and crim-hugging they are.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            You lied when you made the following accusations against me, Bunswalla:

            1. being a liar
            2. endorsing arson
            3. having a predilection for hugging crims
            4. blaming Te Wehi.

            If you were telling the truth you would be able to quote what I said that substantiated your accusations.

          • Bunswalla

            Listen fruit-cake. I don’t know who you are or what rock you crawled out from under, but you clearly want to have some kind of relationship with me, which is weird and just a little creepy. I understand you have no friends, nobody that’s smart enough to “get” you, and no prospect of ever forming a close and meaningful relationship with, well, anyone. But don’t pick on me, I’m not the person you want to have a relationship with – really I’m not. Enough already.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            Same old slander, Bunswalla. You have no way of knowing what I want.

          • Contractor

            First off have to say I have no dog in this fight…or whatever you two might call it. just a thought….theres 86 posts on this thread, around 82 are outraged Te wehi was held to account for losing his rag and hitting some kids. Big percentage. Last week there was a thread on here around some school’s dep head being a rooter and alleged to have assualted his wife in a case of domestic violence. Around 300 odd posts were left, with much the same percentage as this thread, calling for the guys nuts on a plate, based on the goldmine of rational information they gleaned off each others comments here. The catch phrase being bandied about was “Its not ok”. dead right. It isnt. The violence that is. The rooting….well who gives a shit. no ones business except those in the relationship,plenty of forgiving wives/husbands out there it seems so good luck.So we all agreed it ‘s not ok to use violence.
            And yes I know these fireworks kids werent exactly children, teenagers etc. Look at a scenario perhaps.

            During an argument over a husbands infidelity the dep heads wife calls him a cheating cunt. he loses his rag, pushes her over. Ok? No of course not. “Its not ok”

            During an argument the wife strikes her husband out of anger, no real damage done, he pushes her over. ok? No. Defend yourself within reason, or leave the situation. So still “not ok”.

            During an argument the wife attacks his convertible he was rooting the mistress in. he pushes her over. Ok? no.

            During an argument the wife gets all the clothes she suspects the mistress bought him, puts them on the front lawn, pours petrol on them and sets fire. He pushes her over. Ok? No. she’s wrecked his shit, and potential for the house to go up in flames etc, but still its not ok for domestic violence.(intentional damage, disturbing the peace, yada yada yada)

            During an argument husband ignores wife cause hes watching the rugby, wife goes outside launches skyrocket at his house to piss him off. he comes outside, pushes her over and hits her (with some flax??? dont get that bit….anyhow). Is it now “ok”?

            Or only if its someones elses kids or wife?

            Thats the thing, the spectrum of when to use violence to resolve an issue is pretty vast. There are times when there is no alternative and you need to meet violence with violence. I presume we all agree its not ok for me to be violent with my wife ANYTIME. So surely the neighbours kids shooting fireworks are not “ok” to be abused. Yep agree the cops wont come around for something as minor. Buts that the thing, they see it as so minor as probably wont attend, seems they turned up once people started using violence.So those we choose to uphold the law obviously make the distinction between shooting fireworks and assault.Remember they’re your cops too.We actually entrust our police to decide whats important and whats not.Apparently assualt is more important than annoying/potentailly intentional damge causing shitheads….

            And bunswalla, before you start calling me a cock smoker or accusing me of having no mates, lefty crim hugging peacenik etc etc, no, beleive me I’m anything but. Working as a security contractor I have had many an occasion when rightly or wrongly I’ve had to use violence, and when i do i use all that is at my disposal and dont stop till the threat stops or goes away. But working in some of the most dangerous places on the planet I’ve been seen a fair amount of violence, and violence on any scale is nothing but ugly. no one feels better after beleive me. you live in the luxury of having to take my word for that I’m guessing. So looking at that spectrum, kids shooting fireworks – yep, little cunts, start the cycle though and where does it end, and who decides what level of retribution fits the crime? Not me, not you. Apparently in our democracy the courts which supposedly base decisions on society’s mores.(yea right). Agree with them or not though, thats the choice of living in our society. dont like it, head off to one of those others where retribution at the end of a gun or ied is the norm if you want to take it to that level. thats what makes us different.
            Maybe keep things in perspective dude.
            Cause everyone on here last week reckoned “Its not ok”.

          • Bunswalla

            Contractor – thank you for your long and considered post. First off, it isn’t a fight, or certainly not a fair one. To be honest I’m goading an idiot for sport – not very mature I admit, but based on these and other posts the guy is clearly a fruit-loop and I took it upon myself to point that out.

            So, sorry for the thread-jacking, and back to the point. I also detected the outrage that many posters feel that Mr Te Wehi found himself before the courts for assault. To his credit he acknowledged he went too far and is paying the price.

            My comments are not around what has or hasn’t happened to Mr Te Wehi, rather about the little toe-rags who behaved like idiots and appear to have gotten away with attempted arson. It says something about a community when a mob of unruly youths can be letting fireworks off in the street for an hour and nobody does anything to stop them. After being “moved on” from terrorising an elderly neighbour, they took it upon themselves to throw fireworks up the drive and onto the roof of Mr Te Wehi’s house.

            Throwing them up the driveway is stupid but most likely not criminal; throwing lighted fireworks on the roof of a house is stupid AND criminal, and fraught with danger. It only takes a few dried leaves in the gutter to catch alight, and next thing you have a roof on fire and possibly the whole house. The same could also happen if they threw fireworks into dried plant material around the house, so really there’s no excuse for any of it.

            The outrage and frustration felt by most on this thread is (if I may be permitted to summarise) at the perceived injustice that little shit-bags behave like criminal idiots, a home-owner oversteps the mark in dealing with it, the kids are recording it for their own and their friends’ amusement, and the homeowner is the only one penalised.

            They’ve actually been rewarded for their behaviour and like many I don’t think that’s right. There’s no incentive for them to stop that behaviour, in fact they may well repeat it and see who else they can get to react.

            So, what to do? Others (not me) have advocated a kick in the balls or a size 12 steel toecap to the tailbone (cheers, Trav, can always rely on you!). I think your attempt to connect the dots between the alleged domestic violence of the Kristen principal and this incident is a bit of a stretch, to be honest. I doubt that the ex-wife throwing lighted fireworks at the house is a feasible scenario, but I take your point that you believe violence is never the answer.
            I’m not so sure. Growing up in the era I did (born 1960) the local policeman was someone to watch out for and the concept of a clip around the ear to keep you on the straight and narrow was something very real in my neighbourhood (and house – my father was in the job for 28 years). The bleeding hearts and panty-waists will focus on the “clip around the ear” part of that and ignore what it really was – a short sharp shock that did not the slightest lasting harm, and in many cases a great deal of lasting good.
            Did I ever smack my children? Yes I did, without regret, probably two or three times each child. Never in anger, never more than a short sharp shock to remind them where the boundaries were. Fortunately this was pre-Bradford’s bill so neither my wife nor I were criminalised. Kids these days have it very tough – they’re made only too aware from an early age that they have “rights” and often are subject to panty-waist helicopter parents who not only never let them take risks, but fail to impose rules and boundaries. End result – kids who have no idea what they’re supposed to do and not do, and keep on pushing and often get into serious shit.
            I didn’t advocate that these toe-rags are subject to violence, but that’s not to say I wouldn’t approve if the local cops gave them a short sharp shock of some sort that told them where the boundaries were and reinforced that there are consequences – sometimes painful ones – for violating the no-dickhead rules.

          • Mohawk Genocide

            What I think got people upset was the fact that I challenged the Sensible Sentencing Trust agenda of “get tough on crime” & “no bail for violent offences”. The problem with the agenda is that it opposes the common law principle of looking to the intent of those involved before making a judgment.

            It’s an example of the conflict between common law and the civil (Roman) system, conflict which is very much part of the events of recent weeks.

  • Phar Lap

    Seems a reincarnation of the hanging judge,as usual the victim gets punished,making the criminals the innocent.Time for a Hikoi with a march on Judge Dolittles house,with free fireworks supplied.

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