AFA’s Bryan Fischer Says Taking It Up The Chook Not a Constitutional Right

Bryan Fischer from the American Family Association must be lapping up water from the same toilet bowl as the North Shore Sloth, kicking the year off with outlandish ignorant statements decades out of date. Fischer even goes as far to say:

homosexuals have no more right to engage in sodomy than paedophiles have to engage their sexual practices, that those who would like to engage in incest have a right to engage in their kind of practices, or people who want to have sex with animals, they don’t have a right to do that under the constitution.”

The American Family Association‘s Bryan Fischer condemned President Barack Obama’s inaugural address, pointing specifically to — you guessed it — the historic segments on gay rights.

“Homosexuals do not have a constitutional right to engage in sodomy,” Fischer proclaimed, as first reported by Right Wing Watch. Noting that sodomy was a felony for the first 200 years of America’s history, he added, “It’s absurd in the extreme, it’s ridiculous, it’s ludicrous for homosexuals to claim that they have some kind of constitutional right to engage in sexually deviant behavior.”

“All men are created equal, but nobody, nobody, nobody is born gay,” Fischer, who also argued that Obama “displays ignorance” in his embrace of same-sex marriage and other LGBT rights and “doesn’t know what he’s talking about,” stated. “Nobody’s born that way!”

Fischer’s remarks follow those of National Organization for Marriage (NOM) President Brian Brown, who argued that LGBT Americans already have the same rights as heterosexual Americans.

The Family Research Council‘s Peter Sprigg has objected to the president’s comparison of the 1969 Stonewall Inn riot — a watershed moment for gay rights — with similar moments from the women’s rights and Civil Rights movements.

“We as social conservatives do not agree with the president’s attempt to link the modern homosexual movement with the women’s rights movement or the civil rights movement for African Americans,” Sprigg said. “The irony is that homosexuals already have all the same civil rights as anyone else.”

Maybe Colin Craig and Bryan Fischer need to sit down together with a cup of tea and a gingernut and sing along to this song. Who knows, they might even loosen up a bit and take one up the clacker.

If you want to sing along, the lyrics are here

  • LesleyNZ

    This is getting grubby on this blog. Brings out the worst in some – especially the ones who are nameless. Philippians 4:8 New International Version (NIV)
    “Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.”

    • dotcom

      Well, it’s a grubby blog. We live in grubby times. Most threads are at a minimum laced with at least double-entendre, if not blatant smut. These are the times we live in.

      My view is plain. Mother Nature gave us a beautiful poo-hole for pooing. Mother Nature has this tendency to exploit divergences from her perfect model. As Darwin went to some trouble to explain to us, She either rewards good deviations from Her perfect design, and species evolve positively, or she kills off the bad examples.

      The biological history is plain for everyone to see. 99.9 percent of all the species that ever lived on this Earth are extinct. And we human beings are just another example of a vulnerable species that is just as vulnerable to extinction as any other of the 99.9. Mother Nature doesn’t like being fucked with. She did not give us bum-holes, for foreign invasions. Foreign invasion is counter-productive to the well-being of the species, and Mother Nature has tried to remind us throughout human history, that She doesn’t like our deviations from Her plan.

      HIV/AIDS was just one of the latest of Her warnings, one that is tiny compared to what She is capable of. Good luck, human beings. Good luck Homo Sapiens.

      Why do we immediately go into denial, and pretend that HIV/AIDS was not a gay disease? What good is lying and manipulating the history of this? Who are we trying to fool? Ourselves? And what is the penalty of fooling ourselves? Extinction of Species? Extinction of Species, for the sake of this gay minority, and the people who insist on hugging them?

      • http://voakl.net/ Ben Ross

        Seeming you have a butt and poo fetish, as well as some rather “interesting attacks” yesterday and the day before I thought I might look somethings up on HIV/AIDs

        As I mentioned in my other comment HIV/AIDs affects both heterosexual and homosexual sexual partners. However as I also said the Ministry of Health recently did a massive education blitz on HIV affecting heterosexual couples – often married and often trying for children. The MoH was aware but Dotcom here carries on with their butt fetish.

        So this I dug up:

        “Sexual

        The most frequent mode of transmission of HIV is through sexual contact with an infected person.[2] Worldwide, the majority of cases of transmission occur through heterosexual contacts (i.e. sexual contacts between people of the opposite sex).[2] However, the pattern of transmission varies significantly between countries. In the United States, as of 2009, most sexual transmission occurred in men who have sex with men,[2] with this population accounting for 64% of all new cases.[32]”

        Now it does say patterns vary country to country with the IS having issues along the homosexual line. But for the rest of the world including Africa where the disease came from and is rampant, as well as Asia where it has also become rampant it is primarily heterosexual

        Source is wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HIV/AIDS however its information was pulled from the US CDC which backed the claim

        So I be damned where you think these so called “magnificent” lies come from when even the CDC and to extension the WHO confirm what I just pasted above

        Then again one with a butt fetish here seems to have done a Lance Armstrong and so convinced by their own “lies” that they see it as nothing but the truth despite all else

        • dotcom

          Right on cue, on at least two counts. Propaganda and spin. And we tolerate this lying and propaganda. At the risk of Extinction of Species, we hug these liars and propagandists.

          • http://voakl.net/ Ben Ross

            I have provided my sources from the CDC and extension the WHO.
            All you have said is propaganda and spin and yet no sources to refute what I has pulled from the CDC via Wikipedia.

            So right now I am going to take the value of information from the CDC until you provide sources to counter what I have claimed

            Basically PUT UP or SHUT UP

          • dotcom

            No problem. From the same Wikipedia source:

            The initial cases [of the by then unnamed disease] were .. homosexual men. Soon an unexpected number of gay men developed a rare skin cancer called KS. At one point, the CDC coined the phrase “THE 4H DISEASE”, since the syndrome seemed to affect Haitians, homosexuals, haemophiliacs, and heroin users. In the general press, the term “GRID”, which stood for “gay-related immune deficiency”, had been coined.

            But look Ben Ross. It is you who wants to pretend that HIV/AIDS is not a gay issue. I’m the one being consistently honest and saying that unprotected anal sex, is risking the entire species. And only by your propaganda and lies, can you deny the link between unprotected anal sex and disease.

            FACT: All unprotected anal sex is conducive to disease.

        • LesleyNZ

          You are also childish in your language and how you espouse. I do believe our bodies were created in a specific way with specific functions – but no need to be so debased about it. We live in grubby times because of those like you that have not been taught how to talk decently. I guess it is to be expected these days – but I certainly will never accept low standards. You have earned the right to a bar of soap! (OoopsSorry Ben – this is directed at Dotcom – can’t change it now).

          • http://voakl.net/ Ben Ross

            All Good Lesley – I had gathered that :)

      • LesleyNZ

        Replying to correct person this time! Dotcom – You are also childish in your language and how you espouse. I do believe our bodies were created in a specific way with specific functions – but no need to be so debased about it. We live in grubby times because of those like you that have not been taught how to talk decently. I guess it is to be expected these days – but I certainly will never accept low standards. You have earned the right to a bar of soap!

        • dotcom

          Piffle

          • LesleyNZ

            LOL! Dotcom – you have described how you express yourself very well.
            pif·fle
            (pfl)
            To talk or act feebly or futilely.

            n.
            Foolish or futile talk or ideas; nonsense.

            [Origin unknown.]
            http://www.thefreedictionary.com/piffle

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            Lesley is a very proper upstanding lady…watch how you speak to her please.

          • dotcom

            And I’m a very proper upstanding gentleman. Which particular comment to Lesley is brought into question? And why would there be differing standards here for women than for men?

            And surely you set the standard for the thread, with it’s title. What exactly did I say, that was more offensive than the title itself, a title which didn’t stop Lesley from coming inside?

            Just struggling to learn what the boundaries are, that’s all, Cam. Are you in fact using the excuse of Lesley being in the room, to silence my point of view, when you were the one who dog-whistled?

            Don’t misunderstand, Boss. Your blog, your rules, but there have to actually be fair and consistent rules. [Well maybe not have to be, but perhaps ought to be.]

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            I can be whatever I want…you have spewed your bigoted lies and bile all over here fro a few days with your jaundiced and prejudice view on gay people….I reckon I have been pretty tolerant allowing that…then again the more people like you spew forth the better it is for the opposing side of the argument simply because people will not want to be associated with people like you or your views.

          • dotcom

            I don’t lie. I have an opinion. My opinion consistently gets more up-votes than down-votes. The health issue concerning homosexuality has become a no-go politically incorrect issue, and I see silencing this issue as the danger that loss of freedom of speech usually is.

            I lie about nothing. I defy anyone to show ONE lie I have told on your blog. You might not like my style, but it is not lying.

            You have noticeably avoided my comments, Cam, which I took as tacit endorsement, if not of the content, then at least of the direction/style. To be told that I offended a female who ventured here today came as a little bit of a surprise.

            I agree you can do whatever you want on your blog. I don’t think I came even close to suggesting otherwise. You apparently haven’t seen my apology above for seemingly having overstepped an unspecified line.

            I don’t lie. I do opine.

          • LesleyNZ

            I never ever get offended. Would you (and others) be carrying on like you do with piffle talk if you used your proper name? It is how you say what you say – you lose the argument or issue when you resort to grubby language. Talking in a “proper” way (because as the Whale says – I tend to be proper and upstanding) I believe that God created us humans (not Mother Nature) and designed our bodies, with its specific functions, in a an amazing and wonderful way. The orifices of our body were designed to perform specific functions to ensure our well-being and to keep us alive. For example our nose is designed so that air can get easily into our bodies without having to open our mouths. The orifice for the passing of solid waste product was not designed to have anything stuck up it (unless of course one needs medical attention). We wash our hands after a bowel movement – why? Because of germs and disease. Now if you are a homosexual man (or from what I have read becoming more common -heterosexuals as well) and engage in anal sex you not only risk immediate health problems but risk major problems later on in life. A friend of mine who was a nurse told me how she was in a ward where older homosexual men were in nappies waiting for an operation to fix up their sphincter muscle. So from a purely medical point of view engaging in anal sex is not normal and is not to be advised. I also have a point of view concerning the moral side of this – and I know I am in the minority these days and get called a bigot. In the end we will stand before God and give an account of our lives. God will be the judge. In the meantime I will continue to be proper and as upstanding as I can be – standing up for what I believe is right. I am very aware that we are all human and no matter who we are – we can all fall.

          • dotcom

            That’s all fine. I have noted your comments very carefully. You have not given my comments the same care. My comments are far less offensive than you are trying to convey. I don’t use terms like the host here does, for example, such as “taking it up the chook”. And I notice that your first comment here was posted before I’d even commented.

            You don’t like my gruff references to the gay mens health issues. That’s fine. I acknowledge that there is room for me to tone it down, and above I have already committed to doing so. I simply thought I was mirroring the standards common for the blog generally.

            Of course, neither do gay men like me referring to gay mens health issues. Gay men do everything they can to deflect discussion away from the real and profound community issue which gay mens health is.

            My point, and clearly I make it with not undue emphasisis, is that gay mens health has grave implications for community health, but as a topic in recent decades it has become taboo to even mention it. For example, on a gay thread in David Farrar’s blog, I merely mentioned the word “disease” with no derogation, and Farrar immediately gave me 60 of his famous demerits.

            To demonstrate, this was my (60-demerit) inoffensive comment there, when the debate was about the fact that older people (of which I am one) have less affinity for gays, while younger people have more.

            “The historical antipathy against homosexuality was based on disease, an aspect of the discussion which is completely taboo these days. How quickly we have managed to put aside the memory of millions who have died of HIV/AIDS, which no matter how much people conveniently deny it now, was/is a gay disease.”

            Farrar responded with his 60 demerits: while and neither of his comments made sense other than to express outrage. He said:-

            “Oh what crap. Antipathy to homosexuality has existed for around 2,000 or more years and AIDS was only discovered in the 1970s. And you really need to understand the difference between sodomy and homosexuality”.

            What!?

            So as usual, and as stated, the very important taboo topic of gay mens health as a community issue, was buried as always.

            Now once again Lesley, if you were offended by my choice of style, then I apologise. This is not an issue for delicate people. But I remind you that you came inside a thread which was headed with something to do with “taking it up the chook”, and my comments have never reached that low standard. I believe you don’t like my message, and you are visiting on me, sins that I have not earned.

            Indeed, aside from your indignation with my style, we are very much fellow travellers in what we believe. It is a pity that you haven’t mentioned this anywhere, in your indignation with me.

          • dotcom

            Oh, one other small thing, LesleyNZ. You have commented with just as much anonymity as I have. Or will I find you in the electoral role under the surname, “NZ”?

          • dotcom

            Now lo and behold, as a complete aside and as a complete surprise, in seeking out my Kiwiblog comment to cite it above, I find that Farrar must have had second thoughts and removed his 60-point demerit. I had no way of knowing that the deranged host had come to his senses and done this.

          • dotcom

            I might also mention in passing, Cam, that I had never heard of the expression in my life – “taking it up the chook”, until you started repeating it over the last few days. So, whatever I might have “spewed” as you call it …
            And I don’t lie. Sometimes I opine. But I don’t lie.

          • Travis Poulson

            You must be new here.

          • dotcom

            Several years between my visits yes. Much changed in the hosting of blogs in the intervening years.

          • dotcom

            It is worth noting Cam, that Lesley’s comment on this thread about the blog getting grubby, was made before I had commented on this thread. Yeah?

          • dotcom

            If I went too far, I apologise unreservedly to both you as host, and to Lesley who has expressed her concern.

          • LesleyNZ

            Thank you Whale :)

      • Auto_Immune

        There’s so many ways to respond to that. But it’s Friday, so here’s mine:

        My view is plain. Mother Nature gave us a beautiful mouth-hole for talking and eating. Mother Nature has this tendency to exploit divergences from her perfect model. As Darwin went to some trouble to explain to us, She either rewards good deviations from Her perfect design, and species evolve positively, or she kills off the bad examples.

        The biological history is plain for everyone to see. 99.9 percent of all the species that ever lived on this Earth are extinct. And we human beings are just another example of a vulnerable species that is just as vulnerable to extinction as any other of the 99.9. Mother Nature doesn’t like being fucked with. She did not give us mouth-holes, for foreign invasions. Foreign invasion is counter-productive to the well-being of the species, and Mother Nature has tried to remind us throughout human history, that She doesn’t like our deviations from Her plan.

        Meningitis/Glandular Fever was just one of the latest of Her warnings, one that is tiny compared to what She is capable of. Good luck, human beings. Good luck Homo Sapiens.

        • dotcom

          Exactly, Auto-immune. Who in their right mind is doing things to actively promote the spread of meningitis? Can you name one person, Auto-immune, who is deliberately doing anything to actively spread meningitis? Note that if they did so, they would be a criminal. Yet a person who actively engages in promotion and spread of the disease HIV/AIDS is apparently not a criminal. Are you serious? I think your post, Auto-immune, might be what soccer players call an “own goal”.

          • James Gray

            Kissing between heterosexual or homosexual couples promotes the spread of meningitis. Do you want to ban that as well?

          • dotcom

            A normal diversion tactic of the propaganda mob, who would much rather talk about meningitis than anal sex. This is not what Whaleoil posted on, so nor will I, thanks all the same James Gray.

          • James Gray

            You brought up the topic of meningitis… Your logic is:

            Anal sex can spread HIV/AIDS
            Spreading AIDS is like spreading meningitis
            Spreading meningitis is a criminal act
            Therefore, anal sex should be a criminal act

            However, is that not every instance of anal sex necessarily spreads HIV/AIDS. If we assume that the fact that anal sex can spread HIV/AIDS is sufficient for anal sex to be considered a criminal act (whether a given instance results in HIV transmission or not), then the following must also be true:

            Kissing (between heterosexual or homosexual couples) can spread meningitis
            Spreading meningitis is a criminal act
            Therefore, kissing is a criminal act.

          • dotcom

            Nope, Auto-immune brought in the topic of “meningitis”.
            And as regards your:-
            “I have performed this act on women”. Sound like you regard women as your semen receptors. And yes, apparently, prostitutes have this “act” demanded of them regularly these days, so I’m not surprised you have.
            At least the prostitutes will have insisted that you use a condom.

          • James Gray

            Fair enough in regards to who brought the topic up, but I’m hardly using it as a diversion, just stating corollaries of the assertions made in this debate. One could argue that the corollary actually invalid, if that were the case, but instead you choose to question my motivations behind making the argument?

            And no, I do not regard women simply as semen receptors.

          • Auto_Immune

            How many people, beyond a few truly sick f*ers are “actively engag[ing] in promotion and spread of the disease HIV/AIDS”?. If you say anybody engaging in the act, then the meningitis comparision is indeed apt because it implies that anybody caught kissing is actively engaging in the promotion and spread of that disease too.

          • dotcom

            When Whaleoil has a thread on meningitis I’ll decide then on whether or not to comment on it. I will not follow your diversionary tactic here, designed only to take the conversation away from the one in the heading, which is, as Mr Slater so quaintly puts it, “taking it up the chook”.

          • Auto_Immune

            You use an analogy in your earlier response (Mother Nature) which is apparently fine to illustrate your point, but suddenly I use an analogy to illustrate mine and I’m being diversionary. Incidentially your comment didn’t actually answer my question either, which did directly address “taking it up the chook”.

          • dotcom

            Can you name one person, Auto-immune, who is deliberately doing anything to actively spread meningitis?

          • Auto_Immune

            Thank you for inadvertently validating my point. :) Have a good weekend dotcom!

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

  • cows4me

    So what really is the problem, I don’t agree with him and I’m sure most won’t. Let the old goat say what he likes, geez people just love to be outraged these days. Of course the politically correct will come out in their droves, wail , bleat and beat their breasts. For fucks sake if you take offense change the channel. Consequently in Aussie two members of the Australian party have been dumped because they put gays and pedophiles in the same category, fuck if the general pubic don’t like what these people believe they won’t vote for them. I’m so tied of society bending over backwards and treading on eggshells lease they cause offense to some minority group.

    • spollyike

      Right on the money cows. When exactly did we lose the right to cause offense? These sniveling cry baby groups compete over who can be the squeakiest wheel in order to get some more attention from nanny state. Weren’t they ever taught that sticks and stones can break their bones but names can never hurt them?

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      I’m not outraged…I think people like this and Colin Craig should be encouraged to speak often, and with the full gaze of the media on them.

  • Blair Mulholland

    I agree with everything he said. There’s no constitutional right to fuck other men. Nobody is born predisposed to want to fuck other men. And homosexuals have the same civil rights as everyone else. All these things are true. What is the point of pretending otherwise. More ‘baiting?

    • dotcom

      Thank you Blair. We seem to be few and far between. I consistently get a lot of up-votes on my comments but people are intimidated against commenting using even a nickname for fear of reprisals from these well-trained, well-versed, lying and vicious propagandists. Not that many women would be posting here anyway. Certainly not members of the local primary school mothers club, anyway.

      I suspect as well that a lot of the up-votes I get are from women whose husbands are effectively repeatedly raping them, and exposing them unwillingly to diseases that are totally out of their control. I suspect such husband/rapists regularly leave selectively worded comments right here on Whaleoil. I move in circles that enable me to make this claim with authority.

      But how does a housewife subscriber to Women’s Home Journal, and committee member of the local school amenities fund, go to the cops and say over the public counter – “My husband will not stop butt-fucking me, and I hate it, and I want him charged with multiple rape?”

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