Creepy Sloth Lookalike Says “discrimination is ok”

The Creepy Conservative Creature from North Shore has had another brain fart. He’s kicked off his bigoted 2013 attention seeking campaign with a pearler this time, stating that society has a right to discriminate against gay relationships, not just marriage. What Colin Craig fails to realize (or accept) is that he is trying to slam the barn door shut well after the horse has bolted. Times have changed but cringeworthy Colin is still stuck in the stone age.

colin the sloth

Conservative Party leader Colin Craig says homosexuality is a choice and society is right to discriminate against gay relationships.

Mr Craig, a Christian, backed church groups who called at a select committee hearing in Auckland yesterday for a royal commission and a referendum on any change to the definition of marriage.

He said the debate about Manurewa MP Louisa Wall’s bill to define marriage as the union of any two people regardless of gender was about the value the country placed on its history and traditions.

“It asks whether the history and tradition of marriage as an institution uniting a man and a woman for the benefit of children and society deserves our protection,” he said.

“Changes like this should not be made lightly. I am not convinced that there is a compelling reason for change.

Labour MP Moana Mackey asked Mr Craig if he still believed, as he said last August, that homosexuality was “a choice”.

“I do,” he said. “It’s a choice influenced by a number of things including genetics.”

But he declined to be drawn into another question from gay Green MP Kevin Hague about whether he agreed with victim advocate Garth McVicar that gay marriages would lead to more crime. “That is not a link that I draw,” he said.

But Uncle Bob gets in on it too, using paranoid scaremongering to make his point:

Earlier, Family First director Bob McCoskrie warned that terms such as mother, father, husband and wife could disappear from the law if gay marriage was legalised.

He said Spanish law had recently replaced the terms mother and father with Progenitor A and Progenitor B.

“The US State of Washington is to remove the terms husband and wife from divorce courts. In France the words mother and father will be stripped from official documents.”

The Tongan church doesn’t much like it either, being as unaccepting of inevitable change as the North Shore Sloth and Uncle Bob:

Tongan churches said the bill would destroy their traditional social structure, which was based on relationships to a person’s father and mother.

“Within a marriage between a male and a female, the female person’s maternal uncle or ‘fa’e tangata’ has a different obligation to that of the male person’s paternal aunty or ‘fahu’,” said the Tongan branch of the Methodist Church.

“The fahu, the highest-ranking woman in the family, can only have that rank if her brother is married to a woman and they have children.”

Kathleen Tuaitaufoou, a New Zealand-born mother of three, said she wanted her children to grow up in traditional culture.

“We have fa’afine. We have a gay community that is openly homosexual,” she said.

“But our gay community said, ‘We are not going to be out there saying [gay marriage should be legalised], we are going to say we have our boundaries, we know that marriage belongs to the religious part of our culture’.” – source

Sloth, Uncle Bob and the Tongan Church are entitled to their opinions, but they’re wrong, they look silly and the wheels are already in motion. Gay marriage will be passed into law this year.

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  • http://voakl.net/ Ben Ross

    Despite the fact that if we did undertake “active” discrimination against gay relationships as those three idiots would have us too – the courts would be backed up for years in litigation due to the Bill of Rights being infringed.

    Heavens sake the “Faith” might say one thing but the Parliament and its apparatus The State are supreme – and I would not as an abiding citizen want to go pissing all over it to go die in a ditch over all this – unless I wanted to face its consequences

    Any case to go put it out there Western Liberal Society follows Individual Freedom, Individual Choice, Individual Responsibility if wants to adhere to a stable society

    Bob and Colin can have their opinions as we can have ours

    However in all things deemed legal (that is we do not commit an illegal act) who the hell are we to “interfere” in another persons freedom, choice and responsibilities (basically actions).

    I wonder if Bob and Colin suffer from a complex what I call Small Man Syndrome

    • dotcom

      65,000,000 people either living with HIV/AIDS or who have died from it, are trying to tell you something. Fuck “human rights”, when it’s your “human rights” that have killed us. 65,000,000 of us. Where the fuck are the “human rights” of the victims of your “human rights”?

      You don’t have a “human right” to endanger the entire human race. Fucking Western-world-wide idiots.

      • Mitch82

        So what about people who fail to take a full coarse of antibiotics, or take them when their immune system could handle it? How many years in Ye Old Gaol for that one, your Honor?

        • dotcom

          Every time you take an antibiotic is one less time for the overall life of antibiotics will have on this Earth. Every time you take an antibiotic the diseases move one step closer to being resistant to antibiotics. Then it’s goodbye human beings fairly quickly. By the tens of percentages at a time. No longer will it be by the millions: it will be by the billions at a time.

      • Gayguy

        You are a retard when it comes to understanding HIV/AIDs.

        It started in Africa, moved from the heterosexual population there out to the rest of the world. So I suggest you pull your head out of your hate filled ill educated ass and learn a thing or two before posting on line after you have been whacking off to the writings of Fred Phelps.

        • dotcom

          Nope. You are probably in denial, so I will not call you stupid on trust. You missed out the bit in between, the gay male bit. Like I keep on reminding you Gayguy, yes, it came from Africa. But I was living in New York not long after Stonewall. I saw gay men in New York dropping like flies, Gayguy, and the newspapers from other places like San Francisco were saturated with it. Stop living in denial, Gayguy. It is dangerous for such medically-important denial to be allowed to run rife. Are you denying that naked poo-pushing is discouraged even in the gay community, yet you practise it, and love it according to your own comments? Insult me all you like Gayguy, you’re the one playing a form of Roulette of the Bolshevik kind. It is a fact of life, that a number of gay men today, 23 January 2013, (and yes, heteros as well) died as a result of naked fudge-packing, and the selection of who did die and who didn’t die, was pure chance.

          • Gayguy

            Sigh.

            I know the history, but I also know where and how it started. I also know more heterosexuals in the world have HIV/AIDS than homosexuals.

            I also know that because of church teachings more people around the world have died than ever should have.

            I suggest you stop living in ignorance and hate and educate yourself.

          • dotcom

            There you go again. Yes, NOW more heteros have HIV/AIDS. See what you did to the rest of us, you care-less dirty individual. You actually don’t know, do you, the role poofters had in elevating this relatively obscure disease to a pandemic, which yes, now affects more heteros than you dirty lot. Thanks for nothing, dirt-monger.

          • Gayguy

            No it is not NOW, it has always been. Heterosexual numbers world wide have always out stripped Homosexual numbers.

            Idiot.

          • dotcom

            Not true, Maybe so in closeted New Zealand. You were not there watching them dropping like flies, when it was a gay disease. Never mind anyway. You will still be putting your naked dick into your friend’s poo no doubt, when every gay site on the Internet advises you not to do so. N’est pas?

          • Gayguy

            You were in one city in one country on a planet with billions. You are quiet wrong no matter what bullshit you spout.

          • dotcom

            No, you are dangerously in denial about the history. Either that or you are deliberately telling propaganda to protect your own. Does your gay internet base tell you, or does it not tell you, to stop putting your unprotected dick and your unprotected tongue into your friend’s anus? And do you, or do you not, like doing the unprotected thing, contrary to all the worldly advice not to?

          • Gayguy

            The safe sex message is put out there for ALL human beings.

            And given that I have been with the same man for the last 13+ years, I KNOW the sex I have is safe. Oh, and we don’t do anal, unlike many many heterosexuals we do not enjoy it.

          • dotcom

            Call me an idiot all you like, Gayguy. I’m not the one playing Russian Roulette with my dick. Now that’s what I call idiot. And it’s what your gay magazines tell you is being an idiot.

          • Gayguy

            Why are you reading gay magazines?

          • dotcom

            To learn what filthmongering I have to protect against. But actually, gay magazines are really responsible. They promote safe sex. I like that. they never promote risky sex. I like that. I love poofters who practice safe sex.

          • dotcom

            And who cares about what any church teaches. Do you think of priests when you are putting your naked dick into your friend’s poo? If you do think of priests or it you don’t think of priests, you are playing the identical game of Russian Roulette.

          • Gayguy

            You are such a clueless retard about the wider world.

          • dotcom

            Yes, and because the law tells me I have to, Gayguy, I still love you. I love you in spite of the rancour, hostility and vulgarity that your keyboard keeps emitting.

        • BR

          The first know cases of aids were homosexuals who spread it by buggery.

          Bill.

          • Gazzaw

            Game, set & match BR.

          • Gayguy

            Wrong

          • dotcom

            Look I still love you Gayguy, but you are a bloody liar, and it is dangerous for filth-mongers like you to lie.

          • Gayguy

            Wrong again DC. Again, really sucks to be you.

        • dotcom

          Yes, yes, yes, of course, Gayguy. It started in Africa, so presumably it will only kill Africans. That’s a relief. What is not a relief, is that you are so bone ignorant (though I still love you) as to believe its African origin makes the blindest bit of different when you’re dying of it. Remember, Gayguy, I don’t want to lose you my love, but today, 24 January 2013, men throughout the world will be contracting diseases which will kill them, from either licking or penetrating unprotected anuses. And that is a fact, sorry sunshine-anus.

      • http://voakl.net/ Ben Ross

        By the looks of the attack – I’d would be at a guess someone here has been (and it is unfortunate in any circumstance) witnessed to the absolute disaster that is the HIV/AIDs problem

        However the point I make stands and I am fully aware of the 65,000,000 people who have the HIV/AIDs disease.

        However as it has been noted in this stream: 1) yes it came out of Africa, 2) It was first picked up from the homosexual community 3) The disease is damn indiscriminate and will take down heterosexual and homosexuals alike without mercy.

        That said the Ministry of Health no so long ago ran a massive campaign on HIV and AIDs and guess who the target audience was – it was not homosexuals as they (and everyone else knows) the risks there – but it was to heterosexual and often heterosexual MARRIED couples owing to one of the partner’s previous heterosexual sex life (sleeping around).

        Why did the MoH do this – because of common perception like Dotcom display and not – no failing to recognise that HIV/AIDs is in discriminate and has ruined married heterosexual couples.permanently.

        The MoH had the right idea – dotcom lives probably somewhere in the dark ages.

        As for science and the fight against AIDs – yep that has its success and failures. But I also note the scientific community is paying very close attention over in Africa to our biological capacity as well. It is believed and running through rigorous scientific process that man could of evolved enough to start naturally beating back AIDs. Now look at my English closely – especially to the fundy’s in here; believed, could of. Meaning it has been theorised, noted in I think two particular individuals and seeing if the theory could become actual. However we won’t know that for many years to come.

        If man has begun to biologically evolve to naturally be resistant to AID, well nature at work. But we are not the only ones to evolve and I wonder how long before HIV mutates over to adapt – nature at its finest and crudest

        • dotcom

          Ha ha ha ha. Therein lies the complete and utter stupidity of present-day thinking as shown on the surface of your oh-so-well-thought-through post by Ben Ross.

          Guess what Ben Ross? So we fix HIV/AIDS, yeah? And that will be the end of that, right?

          Mother Nature does not work like this. Mother Nature will hit us with something that will make HIV/AIDS look like a Sunday school picnic. You don’t get it. Mother Nature gave us beautiful dicks to put into vaginas, and beautiful poo-holes to emit poo from. Mother Nature does not like being fucked with. Fuck with Mother Nature, Mother Nature will discard us just like the other 99.9 percent of all the species that ever lived on this planet. Mother Nature will fuck humans over quicker in biological terms that you can fart. Good luck.

  • Andrei

    Society does not discriminate against gay relationships, they are not and cannot ever be equivalent to a procreative relationship between a man and a woman.

    Trying to claim they are is just silly.

    What is it with you trendy lefties, do you really think the Government is the fairy Godmother than can wave her magic wand and make the world the way you want it

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Tell us how we are going to run out of people because of gay marriage

      • Andrei

        We are not going to run out of people Whale – there will be plenty of the demographic who hang their kids from clothslines who despite a casualty or two amongst their offspring produce lots of babies.

        And Muslims are doing quite well at making little muslim babies as is well documented.

        No there will be plenty of people, just not the sort who fit in well in the middle class drawing rooms of Epsom and Khandallah where the people are confused about how babies are made live.

        • Mitch82

          Seriously, you need to stop posting comments when you’re pissed.

      • dotcom

        See, we used to “run out of gays”, because when they put their dicks into their buddies’ rectums, Mother Nature said, “I don’t like what you are doing”. Mother Nature said “this is not the reason for which I gave you that beautiful piece of equipment called ‘a dick’”. And Mother Nature said. “And it isn’t the reason I gave you that other beautiful piece of equipment, that incredible poo-disposal unit called an ‘anus’”.

        And Mother Nature said, “If you keep mis-using my beautiful creations, I am going to kill you”. And Mother Nature DID kill the people who mis-used her beautiful creations.

        But we human beings, we had to go and fuck with Mother Nature, because we human beings we think we are better than Mother Nature, and we said, we are going to use medicine to stop the deaths caused by poo-pushing, fudge-packing and by things like oral-anal contact.

        And soon all the human beings got diseases that we could no longer defeat. And the entire human race was wiped out because of a small percentage who broke Mother Nature’s rules.

        It will happen. Remember, 99.9 percent of the world’s species are extinct. And we are but one among the many species, none of whom are immune from Mother Nature’s ruthlessness. Here endeth the lesson. But will we heed it. Yes, we will, but I suspect it will take another HIV/AIDS, but one ten times worse than the current one. Good luck 21st Century people.

        • Hans

          Oh dear. Please don’t be a fucktard… For starters, who determines what is part of “nature” and what isn’t? You?
          Or could it be that everything that is part of nature is, by definition, natural and intellectual cripples like you just use the expressions “unnatural” or “against nature” to lend credibility to their fucktarded opinions.
          Oh yeah, and what category do I, the heterosexual who happens to practice anal sex, fall under?

          • Hans

            Also, we as a species only got AIDS because some fucktards in Africa decided it would be great idea to kill and eat monkeys which happened to have it. Not because some people like to pack fudge etc…

          • Mitch82

            I’ve had this argument out with him recently, he isn’t buying any of it.

            Nevermind the piles of research into simian immunodeficiency virus, he’ll tell you we’re burning books and rewriting history. Now he’s resorting to the “You’ll know I’m right in a few decades and wish you listened” line of attack that pretty much signals “Screw it, I ain’t got nothin’”.

          • dotcom

            You can deny it all you like, Mitch, it’ll still bite you in the bum (i y w p t e). Naked poo-pushing causes disease, and Mother Nature is always looking for new ways to improve on her mistakes. Go for it though, Mitch. Lick your best friend’s bum all you like. A Darwin award is not guaranteed to you personally: lotteries don’t work like this: but someone today somewhere, will have died from licking his partner’s bum.

          • Mitch82

            You’re not this guy are you?

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Haggard

          • Rodger T

            He,he Mitch ,I`m starting to wonder if DC isn`t being paid by the Whale to increase the site traffic by posting his mindblowing ignorance.

          • dotcom

            Why does every post by every gay or gay hugger, have to include rancour such as “mindblowing ignorance”. Don’t you realise this only further damages your cause EVERY time, and is mindblowingly counter-productive.

          • dotcom

            Unlike you posting this, Mitch, I’m not stupid enough to even consider looking.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

          • dotcom

            Thanks boss. What DO you think of naked poo-pushing? I would have thought that the naked poo-pushers are the ones you would be unintelligently directing to that famous sadly-modern decayed-standards, youtube site that I didn’t bother going to. What DO you, as a responsible journalist, Cam, think of naked poo-pushing for which Gayguy tells us on your blog here, he “loves bareback”. Is this a good thing to be endorsing on a responsible blog anywhere, any time, Cam? You will have a smart-arsed answer for me of course. But you will not honestly tell me the answer. And telling me it is none of my business, is the wrong answer, just as would telling me that the blight on all humanity called HIV/AIDS is none of my business. So long as I am a member of my community, then community health IS my business, Cam, and it would be yours, if you were a responsible blog host. Promotion of “love bareback” is a slur on responsible journalism and a slur on responsible blogging. You Cam, have lost all perspective on this, in this dangerous modern hug-a-gay at any and all costs, era. We are trying to turn around blindly, in our so-called enlightenment-otherwise-known-as-fashion, a million years of history. Fashion is not always sensible.

          • Gayguy

            Why do you assume all homosexuals are into anal? There are a number who are not. And there are a number of heterosexuals who are into it.

            You seem you be amazingly uneducated in so many things.

          • dotcom

            Where have I said that I assume all homos are anally sexual? I love you Gayguy, but you are seriously testing the depth of my love with your inventive (aka ‘dishonest’) commenting.

          • Ronnie Chow

            “Take, for example, the latest data on anal sex. According to the National Survey of Family Growth, which surveyed thousands of people between the ages of 15 and 44 in 2006-2008, anal sex is really popular with heterosexuals. 44 percent of straight men report having anal sex at least once in their lives, and 36 percent of straight women do too. Though more straight men than women were enjoying anal sex, women were enjoying gay sex more. Twice as many women (12%) reported having homosexual sex at least once in their lifetimes compared with men (5.8%).”

          • dotcom

            So what? This is not a hetero sex thread. When there is a hetero sex thread, I’ll cover it. This is a thread about poofters. And I don’t like poofters who risk killing off the human species. Do you really think that HIV/AIDS is the best Mother Nature can do to people who mess with her. The next one is going to make that disease look like a Sunday school picnic. Mother Nature doesn’t like being fucked with.

          • dotcom

            Standard but uneducated response, Hans. When will people realise that it doesn’t actually matter where the disease comes from. If it came from Alaska, would it kill less, Hans. Like I say, Hans, keep it covered or the roulette you play is of the Bolshevik kind. And if you think that HIV/AIDS is the worst that Mother Nature can dish out .. .. think again.

          • Hans

            Uneducated? Doctorate in biochemistry from Charles University, Prague, 1999. How much more educated would you like me to be… And I do apologise for the Ad Hominem before…It may have been uncalled for.

          • dotcom

            Congrats Dr Hans. By the way, I said neither “unnatural” nor “against nature” nor anything resembling. So IF you have a doctorate, I expect to be cited correctly. Or don’t you do it this way in the Czech Republic?

          • AnonWgtn

            Are you sure it was only the kiling and eating of Monkeys in Africa from which AIDS came – not sexually transmitted ?

          • Hans

            You mean killing monkeys, eating them, and fucking them? In no particular order, of course….

          • dotcom

            Normal response, turn it into a rancour competition. If you practice anal sex without protection, then you are just as much risk to the race as what is after all the topic of the thread, and I hope you win a Darwin award soon.

          • dotcom

            See the problem is, that for a million years or so, a certain proportion of people who put their unprotected dick into an accumulation of poo, like you, DIED as a result of it, and so did a selection of those whose poo-hole was violated – male or female. This percentage of deaths kept the chances of species annihilation to a minimum. But now, we think we can treat every disease that comes along, so we take risks. But Mother Nature is poised .. .. and waiting .. .. just .. .. like .. .. she did .. .. with HIV/AIDS. Good luck, Hans, because it’s only luck that is keeping you from that Darwin award – no matter how much you regard me (twice) as fucktarded. I might be fucktarded, Hans, but you’re the one risking death.

          • Ronnie Chow

            So why is heterosexual arse fucking so commonplace ? You surely don’t deny the prevalence .

          • dotcom

            How many times do I have to say it. I have nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing against arse-fucking. Just use a condom. They are free. What else can I do for you. I provide *unlimited* supplies of free condoms for you. Do you actually want me to have to put the condom on your dick for you. Arse-fuck to your heart’s content. Just use protection. Several people today, 24 January 2013, will die from ignoring the free condoms available for this practice. Will you be one of them? Will you buy a lottery ticket today? What’s the odds? $2 prize or death.

          • dotcom

            Off topic idiot. This is a thread about pillow biters of the male/male variety. Yet all you want to do is tell me about off-topic stuff over and over. Look, I love you, but your idiocy is taking its toll.

        • Gayguy

          I see you are posting without engaging your brain again.

          • dotcom

            I see you are as always immediately resorting to rancour. You never say anything which does not include rancour. You are a bad example for all gay men, because you cannot, that’s CANNOT speak civilly.

          • Gayguy

            You have posted lie after lie, spewed nothing but hate, and you expect me to be nice to you?

            Fuck off nut job.

          • dotcom

            See there you go again. Spewing venom, profanity and hate. Exactly the opposite of what you should be doing, if you want people like me to love filth-mongers like you, with filthy keyboards to match.

            There is nothing surer, Gayguy. If you keep on telling me that I hate you, guess what is going to be the result. Doesn’t take a rocket scientist, though Hans above is one – he can probably explain it to you.

          • Gayguy

            The gay community do not want people like you. We would be happy if you buggered off to Iran where your kind of thinking is accepted. Then NZ would be better off and you would be happy.

          • dotcom

            What is wrong with my wanting a healthier New Zealand, sweatheart? I don’t care about Iran. Besides I’ve already been there and I don’t like it. Do you want a healthier New Zealand, Gayguy? Simple. Stop barebacking.

    • Gayguy

      So in your mind infertile couples are in a lesser marriage than a couple who can have kids?

      You are so stuck in the dark ages.

  • Jimmie

    The conservatives will get my vote in 2014 simply for the fact that the pc brigade (including you WO) are so gay about him having a contrary opinion.

    Would be easy for him to go with the flow (all sheep like) and say that he loves all things gay. However he has chosen to take an opinion against the gay rights agenda and is taking all the expected flack heading his way.

    Long term it may be ineffective however I would suggest that he has bigger kahunas than all the rest of the liberal political wowsers.

    Perhaps you have got yourself too caught up in the seedy world of The Truth adult section WO that you have forgotten some basic moral standards which are good for society. (Narcissm has never really helped build any successful society that I am aware of)

    In the past you have stated that you are a Christian. You quote proverbs from the bible on a daily basis so presumably you must hold the Bible in some regard.

    Assuming that by calling yourself a christian you would consider yourself a follower of Christ to some degree, I am puzzled when you jump up and down on a daily basis making a mockery of basic christian teaching which Christ taught.

    (Right through the gospels basics moral truths are taught without condemnation but also without compromise.)

    Or do you keep your faith as something separate from your blogging/public persona?
    Is it a crutch that helped you get over your depression – soon to be discarded – or is it ongoing and part of your life?

    I am genuinely interested as there seems a dichotomy in regards to what you portray.

    • Mitch82

      You’re making the most common mistake when dealing with Colin ‘Fuck The Facts’ Craig. This isn’t his opinion, as stated in a thoughtful and intelligent statement.

      This is the political equivalent of him jumping up on the bar at your local pub and waving his cock around for some attention, hoping that some completely blind drunk heffer might let him stick it in. I would not, in 100% honesty, be surprised in the least if he came out in support of the Westboro Baptist Church – it’d be controversial, and it’d get him headlines.

      It’s debatable whether people have the inherent right to be a fuckwit – but when they’re doing it on our dollar, they’re more than open to a flogging from Whale Oil.

      Also, the whole ‘rebuttal via personal attack’ approach pretty much trashes anything intelligent you might have said in your comment. Good job.

      • dotcom

        That’s a completely inappropriate and despicable analogy. That you have got any plus-votes for it is sickening to me. But it is the current world we live in. Sorry we left the world this way for you younger people. We tried to do better, but things became very loose, very fast. You will learn, and in a few decades you will be looking back and saying “people like that Dotcom (me), they tried to tell us, you know”.

        • Mitch82

          Chastised by the bigot who thinks AIDS originated specifically from the gay community, and accused me of burning books and rewriting history, but refused to say what was being burnt or rewritten.

          This has really made my night, thank you :)

          • dotcom

            No, I always get this silly uneducated irresponsible response, and it worries me that gays, simply don’t know the real history. You lie, you are in denial, and you consequently don’t take safety as your priority. When you stop putting your naked dick or tongue in an anus, the world will be a safer place.

            I lived in New York and watched gay men dropping like flies in the 1980s, not because the disease was introduced by gay men, but because nature decided that gay men were to be the ones to be most afflicted by it. And what gay men did, was take an almost unheard of disease, and turn it into a pandemic. We deserve better from you than your lying and remaining in denial about this.

            My job will be done when gay men stop the inevitable lying about this.

          • Gayguy

            Fuck you are a moron.

          • dotcom

            See there you go again, courting my fancy with your beautiful charm. No wonder you are hated with your venom in EVERY comment. I feel sorry for you. Truly I do. Sorry I can’t love someone with a gutter mouth like you. I try but .. .. ..

          • Mitch82

            Yawn.

            I’m actually all for you shouting your version from the rooftops – everybody loves a psycho.

            But lets call a spade a spade. You’ll stop being anti-gay when every gay person stops being gay. Nice offer. In reality, you’re holding on to a thin, frayed thread, somewhat unique, that gives you a reason to rail against the gay community.

            The thread means, in your own mind, that you don’t have to paint a target on your head (figuratively, because we’d all really miss you if you were literally shot dead) by just being flat out honest, and admitting that you hate gay people.

            Nobody is fooled by your bullshit.

            Facts, or fuck off.

          • Hans

            Facts, or fuck off would be a good motto for this debate.

          • dotcom

            You do have a nasty little tendency to put YOUR words in MY mouth. And considering the lack of civility in most gay men’s comments, I don’t like your words or your anything in my mouth. No, I have no problem with the gay lifestyle. You can have it. My only issue is a community health one, a topic which has been conveniently put to the politically incorrect basket while we all feel compelled in the current fashion to hug men who put their naked dicks into packets of poo. No thanks. You lot stop naked poo pushing forever, and I’ll stop poofter-bashing forever. Deal.

            There was never a better time in history for you to get this right. Safety for you lot costs nothing. Condoms and dams are free. And you lot bluntly refuse to use them. And you lot want ME to fuck off? I supply you lot with unlimited free condoms and dams, and you lot bluntly refuse them. And I’m the one who should fuck off? I think the world has gone mad.

          • Gayguy

            You have zero rights to tell anyone to be civil given the number of lies you have told and the hate you spew.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Man , you are a bigoted , blinkered ‘Super Right Man’ , and here’s why………

            In case you haven’t noticed , in all your rants about GAY anal sex , the vast majority of anal sex in this world is carried out by blokes with their missus .

            So what does that do to your continuing hammering of an argument that is totally ignorant of the facts on the physical act of anal sex , it’s prevalence in mainstream porn , and it’s commonality in the heterosexual bedroom ?

          • dotcom

            Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. So what? Do I have to say it every fucking time for you dumb lot. My problem is with ALL unprotected anal sex. So what if hetero men push poo. Does hetero men doing it make your bareback safer? And in ratio to numbers, your remarks are dangerously ignorant. You always push poo. Heteros occasionally do. All bareback is dangerous. Your gay magazines keep trying to tell you. Stop your lies. Get it into your fat dumb head, Ronnie Chow. I AM TALKING ABOUT ALL UNPROTECTED ANAL SEX. it is dirty, and it causes disease. And it will lead to new diseases, because Mother Nature does not like being fucked with. Mother Nature did not give us arseholes for fucking. We provide you with unlimited condoms and dams, so use them. Use them.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Yes , but WHY do you have a problem with unprotected anal sex ?. WHY the fixation , the OBSESSION . The Anus has got you by the balls.

        • Gayguy

          You are quite a clueless wee thing aren’t you.

          • dotcom

            On the contrary. Fortunately for humanity, I am one of the better educated on the subject. Indeed, some would say I am an expert. And unlike you, I am not prejudiced by the denial that causes you to be a huge risk to both yourself, and the human species as a whole. You have told us you like bareback, Gayguy. Good luck. Many men today somewhere died from doing that exact thing. Like I say, good luck, Gayguy. Stop showing us how dangerous you personally are, in your consistently denying that it is a problem for all gay men (as well as men who have unprotected anal with women).

          • Gayguy

            No you are not an expert.

            You are a fool, a clueless hate driven fool.

          • dotcom

            I tried to love you, Gayguy, but you are making it so hard with all the venom that spews from that keyboard of yours.

          • DJ

            Ahhhh bless Dotcom. Big man hug for you ………..

            There feel better now?

          • Mitch82

            Right, so if you’re not prejudiced, why are you not railing against heroin users, hemophiliacs and Haitians?

            You’re apparently quite educated, so this shouldn’t be too daunting, besides the whole ‘full of facts’ annoyance:

            http://www.retrovirology.com/content/3/1/72

          • dotcom

            Answer couldn’t be simpler, Mitch. Silly question really. If I posted here about heroin users, I’d be off-topic. And I told you, don’t bother posting your silly links, I know better than to follow them.

          • Ronnie Chow

            ” some would say I am an expert” Well , that just makes you an absolute pillock , because you don’t know that the vast majority of anal sex, carried out by humans , on this planet , is between a man and a woman .
            Don’t let that fact override your disgust with gay guys .

          • dotcom

            How many fucking times do I have to say it, fathead. Just because a man and a woman has anal sex, does not make any safer, your having unprotected sex safe. Ronnie Chow, answer a question for me if you are capable. Is unprotected anal sex dirty and does it lead to disease? And is it any less dirty or less likely to lead to disease, just because a man and a woman also does it? Ronnie, are they or are they not, both causes of disease? If you cannot answer this question, then you are a danger to mankind. I am aware however that your main aim is propaganda. Your propaganda will not stop this one person campaigning for safer sex. Every time you stupidly criticise me, I will point out what a danger your unprotected arse-fucking is to the world. Every time, Ronnie Chow. Every time.

          • Gazzaw

            There you go DC – your big chance. I think Gayguy wants to take you under his wing and teach you a thing or two.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      The Conservatives Cult of Colin are living a lie…they will not repeal this…they will simply nod and take your votes.

      Don;t believe me ask Colin Craig…ask him for a commitment to repeal and watch Colin the Sloth turn into Colin the Weasel.

      Show me in the New Testament where Christ ever says anything other than equality and sharing, and peace…go on…show me where he says hate other people…he even spared the prostitute from stoning…

      What I see is a compassionate Christ, not a bigoted hate filled buch of cunts too busy worrying about other peoples sex lives

      • Jimmie

        Easy WO I will use the example you have given.

        1 She was not a prostitute she was a woman caught in adultery.

        2 The religious hypocrites of the day wanted Christ to condemn her to death (as per the then current law) in order to make his teachings a mockery.

        3 After He made the religious leaders have an attack of the guilty conscience he said this to the woman:

        He said to her, “Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?” She said, “No one, Lord.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more.

        The point is: Jesus did not condemn her as per the law however neither did He say that her actions were fine and that whatever two adults did in the privacy of their own home was ok with Him.

        He said: Go and sin no more. In other words what you did was wrong, I’m not condemning you but you need to change your future behaviour.

        This is a perfect example for Christians to follow: Going around with a heavy moral bat is just as wrong as going around saying that anything is fine with God – there are no moral standards.

        There are plenty of other examples in the gospels

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

          Sure go and sin no more, spoken by the only man who had no sin…it isn’t possible to sin no more….really it isn;t possible…the only person with no sin got nailed to a cross and we will always have sin…show me a man who says he doesn’t sin and I will show you a liar.

          And Christ pointed that “all sin is equal” and the “wages of sin are death”…given that all sin is evil, the liar will die just as easily as the homosexual…of course there is the escape clause…accepting that Christ died for ALL of us….there were no exceptions…if you accept that plan of salvation then you are saved…that is it…no exceptions.

          1 John 5:16-17
          1 John 1:9

          Romans 6:23
          There is only one sin that can never be forgiven: Matthew 12:31

          • Jimmie

            No issues with that WO – I completely agree.

      • dotcom

        I don’t hate. You should not assume I do. I do feel sorry for a society which has deluded itself into thinking that it can fool, and even ignore the lessons from, Mother Nature. Won’t be long, maybe decades even, you’ll be saying “wish we’d listened to that Dotcom (me, the original Dotcom, not the fat german one)”.

        • Gayguy

          You hate.

          Spin it however you like to let you sleep at night, but you hate.

          • dotcom

            Okay, Gayguy says I hate. That’s it then. Decided. Funny that Gayguy knows more about what’s in my head than I do. Hey, Gayguy, it isn’t the voices in my head that are driving me crazy. It’s the voices in your head that are driving me crazy.

          • Gayguy

            Your posts speak for themselves.

            You hate.

          • Hans

            What irritates me is not the hating, hate is a perfectly sensible emotion in some situations. If you can back up why you hate with facts or a logical case, fine. DC’s problem is that he can’t…

          • Gayguy

            It is because of his hate that he is so clueless. He will not look at facts or accept truths because it would force him to acknowledge to himself that he is a fool.

          • dotcom

            But I have all the way backed it up with reasons. The reasons are disease, disease, disease and disease. And to back it up further, all anyone has to do is google – “mens health” – and what will you be directed to? Hundreds of gay sites telling you over and over again, not to bareback. So how come if I remind you of what you should be doing but are not doing, I’m the ogre? I want to love you, but you make it so hard for me to.

          • Gayguy

            You have backed up your hate with pure rubbish and lies.

          • dotcom

            Gayguy, my love, google “mens health”. Tens of thousands of links supporting exactly what I say.

          • dotcom

            The more you tell me I hate you, the more it is likely to be self-fulfilling. I keep telling you that I’m trying to love you, but you keep rejecting me.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Dotcom , you need to be disgusted with ALL blokes who practice anal sex , the majority of whom are HETEROSEXUAL !

          • dotcom

            So what. Does hetero anal sex, make your anal sex immune from disease? And do you follow instructions or not of the thousands of gay internet sites for example telling you to use condoms and dams. If you do, I love you. If you don’t, I hate what you do, and I feel sorry for you, because someone today 24 January 2013, will be barebacking, and will get a disease that will kill him.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Oh fucking diddums . You don’t care if someone else dies . You are just disgusted by anal sex . Fucking puritan .

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

          Clearly you have never given your missus one in the chook

          • dotcom

            Clearly you have.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Heterosexual anal sex is mainstream.Your friends are doing it . The one’s you talk to , face to face , with the odd drop of spittle coming your way . Your friends are doing it mate , so broaden your rant to include all hetero’s , meaning everyone .

          • dotcom

            I think you might find, it you were not so prejudiced, that my “rant” was already broadened to what you wish, even though you are well off topic. It changes nothing. Porking poo (male or female poo – do I have to stipulate it in EVERY post?), without protection, is dangerous, and disease ridden. Now then, did you have anything to say ON topic?
            Ronnie Chow, am I correct or am I incorrect? Truth please.

          • Ronnie Chow

            “When the last gay man promises the world that he will no longer put his dick or his tongue UNPROTECTED into his friend’s anus, then I promise I will have said my last anti-gay word ever.”

            This is what you wrote . If you take out the ‘gay’ part , what’s left ? My last anti- word ever ?

            What is left is that you wish that unprotected anal sex didn’t exist amongst all men including heterosexuals . That is so off topic that it’s off the page .

            You also wrote ….”denying that it is a problem for all gay men (as well as men who have unprotected anal with women)”.

            May I suggest that you have a thing about germs ? Didn’t go so well for Howard Hughes , did it ?

            Hughes’ mother Allene apparently introduced Howard to the idea that germs were to be avoided at all costs. Her obsession with germs would color her son’s life from that early introduction onward.

            It is quite possible that the early death of his parents instilled in Howard the need to be even more proactive in germ avoidance.

          • dotcom

            What a stupid and irrelevant rant, Ronnie Chow. But by law I have to love you, so I still love you Ronnie.

          • dotcom

            By the way, Whaleoil, just as relevant to whether I ever, as you so quaintly put it, gave my wife “one in the chook” is my asking you if you have ever taken “one in the chook”? Not that I care in the slightest what the answer might be, it is merely my academic demonstration of the inaptness and ineptness of your question, by way of my returning the favour, that’s all.

          • Ronnie Chow

            “asking you if you have ever taken “one in the chook”?

            That’s a fucking queer request ! VOYEUR ALERT ! Sure you ain’t repressing something here ?

          • dotcom

            Tit for tat, fucktard, and described as such, retard. Can you not read?

          • Ronnie Chow

            Haven’t you heard of rimming . Everyone does it these days . Bet you have never enjoyed sex .

        • Gazzaw

          I find it fascinating dotcom that Gayguy, Mitch & Hans all dodge around the alien physical aspects of homosexuality.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Yeah , about that .
            At the moment , rooting the missus up the back pussy is more popular than sliced bread . Guess that makes a lot of blokes aliens .

      • DJ

        Sorry debate over for me. How can you possibly quote a fictional book as fact in a debate?

        • dotcom

          But even if he does quote his fiction, he can point only to heterosexual marriages. None of the hero males in the entire book, has a husband. Not one.

          • Gayguy

            There are at least 2 examples that can be taken as loving same sex relationships in the Bible.

          • dotcom

            I couldn’t give a fuck about that book. Don’t point your stupid bible comments at me.

          • Gayguy

            LOL, when slapped with facts DC does what he does best, spews hate.

          • Ronnie Chow

            But you do trawl gay websites , hence your statement that they advocate condom use .

  • Rodger T

    It is fascinating how the only people having hissy fits about this bill, are the nasty little christian busybodies that are completely unaffected by it.

    • dotcom

      Not so. I don’t follow any religion. And I am not unaffected by your putting the very survival of my entire species at risk. When you promise me that you will not put your unprotected tongue or dick into someone’s anus, and when you promise me that no-one else of your kind will either, then enjoy your lifestyle choices to your heart’s content, Rodger T.

      • Rodger T

        I suspect you a protesting a little too much there DC,on one hand you claim that anal sex is a death sentence on the other you claim you are at risk of catching it.

        You appear to be too dim to understand that homosexuality has been with the human species for millennia ,and yet just because in NZ , gay marriage will be legalised it will lead to the end of the world.
        You do understand that it is heterosexual parents that give birth to children that grow to be gay or lesbian? I doubt that you would admit that fact because it does not fit your feeble world view.
        And just FYI ,I am not homosexual ,been married for 22 years . I am just not as insecure as you and do not share your obsession of anal sex.

        • dotcom

          No, no, no. I haven’t linked gay marriage with any such thing. I keep having to tell you lot that I am far from being an idiot, and won’t sit by and see your dirty little word games perpetrated against me. And I try to set an example, as well while I’m at it, an example you could learn from, in not degrading the conversation by use of personal unwarranted insults. Your lot do yourself no favours by your constant vulgarity and rancour.

          • Rodger T

            And yet here you are with 30+ posts on a gay marriage thread talking about the ins and outs ( as it were) about anal sex .

            Probably if you cut out the “rancour” and abuse in your own posts ,you may find those who reply to your comments may do the same.
            I realise it is futile to try to have a rational debate on this issue with persons like yourself,but hey,it made a quiet evening a little more interesting.
            Did you ever stop and think that it is you that is getting trolled rather than you doing the trolling?

          • dotcom

            Sorry to be pedantic, but you have invited pedantry. The topic of this thread was “gay relationships” not “gay marriage”. And I don’t regard on-topic genuine debate, in my case devoid of vulgarity and rancour, to be trollee or troller. Now while I’m discussing pedantry, I actually post mostly, not on anal sex, but on a particular kind of anal sex, the UNPROTECTED kind. Though I am inclined as well to reply to questions or accusations made to me.

  • Rodger T

    I wouldn`t be surprised if Craig had one of these,

  • dotcom

    Well, by my reckoning it is about 978,640-or-so years that human beings have discriminated against poofters. But suddenly, we’ve realised the error of all these gaziolion years of enlightenment. And so now we have suddenly seen the new dawning of the light, and 978,640 years of wrongs have to be undone. Like fuck. I think the nays have it.

    • Gayguy

      Actually homosexuality was accepted throughout the ancient world, it has only been in the last few hundred years that the hate has really take hold, driven by the Catholic Church in the west.

      • Hans

        I’m willing to have a quiet bet that homosexuality is a reaction to the environment… before you get on my case, please finish reading this post…
        The current research more or less concludes that homosexuality is caused by a certain ratio of hormones in the mother’s body as she is carrying the child.
        I’ll wager that this is caused by a combination of an abundance of food and other comforts of life and societal pressures (human nature not adapting fast enough to the direction in which society is evolving). In short I think that homosexuality is nature’s attempt at preventing overpopulation. Think of it as an unconscious “fuck you, world, the generation after won’t breed”.
        I’m also willing to bet that you could collect data that would go some way towards proving something like this, only you would be committing academic suicide if you as much as suggested it.

        • Gayguy

          I have no idea why some are born gay and others straight, but your thoughts make as much sense as any other reasonable ideas.

      • dotcom

        Wrong again. Your lack of knowledge of your gay topic concerns me greatly, Gayguy, especially considering how dirty and diseased it is. Your reckless statements confirm the worst: that you have no idea how dangerous your practices are and the risks you pose to your entire community.

        In fact, gay dislike has come and gone over the years, in all societies, and in all periods of history. You mention the Catholic Church, but you conveniently forget that for every Roman Catholic there is a Muslim, and a Hindu, and a Buddhist, and a Maoist, basically all of them detesters of poofters a lot more than Catholics ever were. Read the Koran. Yes, some eras and some countries have temporarily embraced poofters, but it has been by a very long way, the exception rather than the rule.

        And the reason you haven’t been liked is mainly because of the diseases you bring into communities, particularly your propensity to vagina hunt to remind yourselves occasionally of what you are missing out on. When you have done this historically, people have died from your stray visits. And communities don’t like you for this for very long, sorry. As a rule, we human beings are not stupid, and when we see something that tends to kill us, we tend to want to kill it.

        • Gayguy

          I suggest you educate yourself, A LOT. You are amazingly poorly informed on basic history.

          • dotcom

            And for a poofter, you are amazingly poorly informed about poofters. I still love you though. Why do I love you. Society says I am obliged to. So I do love you Gayguy. Really.

          • Gayguy

            Wrong again. Wow, sucks to be you.

          • dotcom

            Love you too, Gayguy. In spite of your consistently venomous keyboard.

    • Rodger T

      Well then, present your paper for peer review,and collect your Nobel prize.

      • dotcom

        Thank you. Clearly you recognise genius when you see it. Again thank you.

  • Edwin Wigmore

    I think we should stop being such bigots.

    Regardless of what you may think of gays people should have the right to like or not like their lifestyle. I don’t think it is constructive to be so closed to other people’s point of view. It’s their life. They’re not hurting anyone as far as I’m aware, and they have every right to believe what ever it is they believe. .

    • dotcom

      If only it were limited to a point of view, not a point of sexual entry. I have no problem with the gay lifestyle. I do have a problem with unprotected anal sex. Unprotected anal sex will come back to haunt the entire human race within a very short space of time. We pretend that HIV/AIDS didn’t happen, and we pretend that it will be the last and most deadly disease of its kind, at the peril of our entire species.

      How, Edwin Wigmore, is endangering the entire human species, “not hurting anyone”. It is indeed, Edwin Wigmore, “hurting everyone”.

      • Mitch82
      • Gayguy

        Yes, you do have a problem with homosexuals, you hate and despise us. At least be man enough to stand by what you honestly think.

        • BR

          I hate and despise what you do, i.e. buggery, and I hate and despise the propaganda of the left wing homosexual lobby group that you continuously promote.

          Bill.

          • Gayguy

            Yes, I know how much you hate equality for all.

        • dotcom

          Gayguy, one thing I can guarantee you. If you continue to tell me that I hate you, your statement is sure to come true. But you are showing exactly one of the many ways you bring it upon yourselves. How many times do I have to tell you that I don’t hate you? How many times can you tell me that I do hate you, without it becoming a self-fulfilling prophesy. Okay only to satisfy you. I am so accommodating of your deepest desires, that I will even lie, to make you feel happier. I hate you. And for every time you have told me that I do, maybe twenty by now, I hate you more. Happy now. I’d even lie for you, darling.

          • Gayguy

            You hate homosexuals.

            So you are part way to being honest.

          • dotcom

            Nope, you keep lying about this. I love gay men. But I don’t love gay men who practice unsafe sex. Unsafe sex makes the world a less safe place for my children and my grand-children.

          • Gayguy

            Then teach your children and grandchildren to have safe sex.

        • dotcom

          I have said it enough times to make your reply totally irresponsible and abhorrently dishonest. I love gay men, but only those who practice safe sex. I have absolutely no problem with the gay lifestyle. That much is none of my business. What you contribute to the health of the community, is my business.

          • Gayguy

            Please do no lie. You hate homosexuality. Your posts speak volumes and betray the real you.

  • BR

    If Colin Craig is the only political candidate prepared to take a stand against the hard-left driven homosexual lobby, then he will get both my votes at election time.

    Bill.

    • dotcom

      But we need a lot more thinking like yours, Bill. It is a sad old world for the time being. If you are not hugging a gay boy, you’re out of vogue, Bill. What are we doing about increasing our numbers? I don’t follow any religion, btw.

      • Mitch82

        Storm Poland or France or something? It’s worked in the past..

        • dotcom

          Or Gomorrah or Sodom. That helped a bit. Temporary fix though I suspect.

          • Gayguy

            Oh look, not only does DC know nothing about AIDS but he knows nothing about biblical stories too.

          • Hans

            And he feels the need to educate us about primary school chemistry.

          • Gayguy

            I don’t think he has the hang of primary school chemistry.

          • dotcom

            Oh, Hans, now why didn’t I come up with such a clever comment as this one, Doctor? I realise you know everything, but my experience tells me that not everyone knows what brimstone is. Sorry, Hans, the comment being not directed at you, sweetheart, you could have ignored it, and I might still have loved you. Love you lots anyway.

          • dotcom

            I tried to love you Gayguy. Let’s meet. Lunch on me. Hugs and kisses, darling.

    • Gayguy

      Wasting your votes eh.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      But he won;t, he lives a political lie, sucking in fools like you.

      • BR

        Who else is there to vote for?

        Can anyone find a bone of integrity in any of the current crop of sitting politicians?

        Bill.

        • Gayguy

          Almost any one of them is preferable to Colin.

  • LesleyNZ

    Just because the “changing of the times” pro gay marriage ones think homosexuality is not a choice, it doesn’t make gay marriage right. It never will be right – like a lot of other pro choice things that happen these days. There is a lot of wrong happening these days dressed up to look right. This is to be expected when good and wholesome values are thought be old fashioned and not relevant anymore. These days right and wrong is no longer clearly defined.

    • Hans

      Hi Lesley, what exactly are those “good old fashioned values” you speak of? Can you give me, say, 5 examples? I’m honestly not trolling, I’d just love to understand what exactly you mean when you use that phrase…

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        Solomon was old and wise…he wrote the Proverbs…he could be said ti have good old fashioned values couldn’t he?

        According to the Bible, Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

        • Orange

          As I mentioned already, you are (deliberately?) taking the opposite meaning of the what the Bible states. The downfall of Solomon (and mirrored in Revelation 20) is specifically because he went after all the women. See 1 Kings 11:1-3. He was wise, then he went stupid. That’s the whole point of the story!

        • dotcom

          So how many husbands did he have? And how many of the concubines were male? 0 and 0.

        • LesleyNZ

          An interesting read: http://christiananswers.net/dictionary/solomon.html
          Solomon was not an old man when he wrote the Proverbs. God blessed him and he had what we call – his heart’s desire of riches plus great wisdom. He was the greatest King. However his downfall started when God was no longer that important in his life. It was as if his status and all his riches went to his head. He forgot all that his father King David (and his mother) taught him (Before his death David gave parting instructions to his son (1 Kings 2:1-9; 1Chr. 22:7-16) and his riches consumed his life. Solomon had much wisdom but about halfway through his reign did not listen to his own words of wisdom. We don’t know much about the end of his life – if anything. He may have repented and got right with God – we are not really told much.
          “The bright day of Solomon’s glory ended in clouds and darkness. His
          decline and fall from his high estate is a sad record.”
          “Solomon excelled all the kings of the earth in riches and in
          wisdom.” 2 Chronicles 9:22 Eight verses later he is dead.” – John
          Piper.
          Chief among the causes of his decline were his polygamy and his great wealth.
          2 Chronicles 9: Solomon’s Death – http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Chronicles+9&version=NIV
          v 29 “As for the other events of Solomon’s reign, from beginning to end, are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet, in the prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite and in the visions of Iddo the seer concerning Jeroboam son of Nebat? 30 Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel forty years. 31 Then he rested with his ancestors and was buried in the city of David his father. And Rehoboam his son succeeded him as king.”
          A lot can be learned about human nature from the life of King Solomon – not only from the Proverbs/Ecclesiastes/Song of Solomon he wrote, but from his life – the rise and fall of King Solomon.

        • Hazards001

          Well clearly he wasn’t really that wise was he? What sort of halfwit lands themselves with 700 mother in laws?

      • LesleyNZ

        If you look at the 10 commandments there are more than 5 examples. The last five being particularly relevant in today’s age. Even simple things like having good manners is no longer important. Once swearing in public and in mainstream media was considered to be inappropriate – nowadays swearing is a must – and using even more vulgar language even better. Examples are in this particular post. So when anyone stands up for what is good and wholesome these days and thinks differently than those who are liberal and anything goes – they get cut down by those who think being good and wholesome is so old-fashioned. As the 50+ population who have been taught the old fashioned values dies off – NZ will be a very different country. This is already happening with the younger generation taking up positions of responsibility and taking over the direction of our country.

        • Rodger T

          The trouble is Lesley,your holy book does not provide a guide on how and when to cherrypick whatever passages you want and when you want.

          Family values,

          http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/fv_list.html

          Women

          http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/wom_list.html

          You know and I know that the only rule that we all should be following is the Golden rule.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule
          Which as you know predates your christianity and your mythical Jesus.

          Have you noticed that the first 3 of your commandments,your god is a tad jealous of other gods and murder doesn`t even make it `til halfway down?

          • LesleyNZ

            Yes – God is a jealous God. The holy book as you call it – tells us all about human nature – that is why so many don’t like what it says.

          • Rodger T

            That is not a very godly like attribute then ,is it?

            Epicurus says all that needs to be said on your god .

        • Hans

          Fair enough, even though I am certainly not a man of faith I see your point regarding the last 5 commandments. What I fail to see is how homosexuality relates to obeying (or otherwise) these commandments (or their “secular” commonsense equivalents). I simply don’t understand how homosexuality you has anything to do with the decline of society or it’s morals. My golden rule is, if it doesn’t affect me, it’s none of my business…

  • Hans

    Ok, since I’ve been having a go at a few people here, I think it might be time to declare my position, so there’s no misunderstandings:

    I am not particularly interested in the cause-celebré of homosexuality or homosexual rights.
    I am not homosexual and I am an atheist.
    I have my reservations towards the way a part of the gay community pushes an agenda that seems a little less than transparent and honest at times.
    But what really gets my goat is the usual situation where the ill informed bigots start mouthing off…
    Please, if you’re going to spout intolerance and preach morals, at least have something to back it up with: Peer reviewed publications, a good logical argument or, at the very least, wikipedia. I will personally not accept religious dogma as a valid argument.

    Sorry to carry on chaps,

    Good night

    • Shugmcglumfer

      Nothing “starts” it. It’s caused by the mother’s biochemistry when the child is in the womb.

      WTF!

    • dotcom

      This is a blog, an opinion site, not a university thesis submission site. And if you are calling for citations, practise what you preach.

  • Shugmcglumfer

    Don’t worry about it! Legalise gay marriage and they will
    eventually die out.

    No more gays stuck in heterosexual marriages so no more
    children born to a gay father/mother.

    They can adopt but this will not pass on their genes.

    2 or 3 generations and there won’t be a poof on the planet!

    • Hans

      And yet another Ad Hominem from me: Fuck, you are a retard. No, the Earth is not 6000 years old, and no, homosexuality is not inherited.

      • Shugmcglumfer

        Not inherited? So what starts it? No I am not a retard. Just not a poof!

        • Hans

          Nothing “starts” it. It’s caused by the mother’s biochemistry when the child is in the womb.

          • Shugmcglumfer

            So gay marriage won’t wipe this out? A gay marriage won’t be
            able to impregnate so no kids! Therefore the line dies out. Simple!

          • Shugmcglumfer

            Another thought. If the gay lineage survives it must be because of the influence of the parents.

            http://gillreport.com/2011/09/lesbian-parents-seek-sex-change-for-their-8-year-old-boy/

          • Gayguy

            Your and idiot.

            Where do you think homosexuals come from? Gasp! Straight women giving birth to them.

          • Rodger T

            The trouble with trying to debate an idiot,GG,is that they will drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

            Don`t feed the Trolls.

          • Gayguy

            I know I shouldn’t feed the trolls, but the level of hate and pure stupidity they exhibit is just to staggering to let go unanswered.

          • Travis Poulson

            “I know I shouldn’t feed the trolls”

            You won’t win this argument with a hunger strike Paul.

          • Shugmcglumfer

            Lesbians won’t be giving birth unless they are impregnated
            by a real man!

            Straight women are tricked by homo’s who stay in the closet!

            Allowing gay marriage will free up those that are stuck in a “heterosexual
            marriage”

            to leave and seek the anus/dildo of their choice

          • Gayguy

            This is what you seriously believe????

            Fuck, you are stupid.

          • Shugmcglumfer

            OK .Convince me otherwise!

          • Gayguy

            You think gays go around tricking women into sex to make more gay people.

            There is no convincing you how stupid that idea is.

          • Shugmcglumfer

            OK if Gay guys go with guys (no children) and gay women go
            with women (no children), how is the gay gene transferred across the
            generations unless being influenced by their parents?

          • Gayguy

            God. Chance, take your pick.

          • Shugmcglumfer

            That’s not answer! There is no God. So you are saying that the gay gene is a gamble? Much like gays being normal!

          • Gayguy

            Urgh.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            Are you really as stupid as your name suggests? It would appear so..I have plenty of gay friends who have kids.

          • Shugmcglumfer

            How?

    • dotcom

      If only it worked like this.

      • Gayguy

        Wow, wishing the eradication of a particular group of people. How aryan of you.

        • dotcom

          Godwin’s Law, Gayguy. You lose, I win, and the debate ends. Love you in spite of your loss.

          • Gayguy

            Oh dear, shows how uneducated you are, again. The idea of a pure race is not only one of the NAZI party.

            Wrong again. REALLY sucks to be you. (Oh and I not you do not deny your eradication position).

          • dotcom

            Gayguy, please put nothing of yours in my mouth again, especially your words. Oh yuck. Where have those words been for you to be putting them in my mouth. Such pollutions. Such eewwwwwwwwwww.

          • Gayguy

            Filth like you are not my type, so don’t flatter yourself.

  • Pissedoffyouth

    Alright, debates over, the gays have equity now so no need to argue anymore.

    And don’t tell me “We aren’t equal, we can’t adopt”

    You want a kid? Make one.

  • parorchestia

    Like it or not National are going to have to make some accommodation with a potential coalition partner. I think the Conservatives are a lot less dangerous than, say, the Maori Party if by some amazing stretch of the near impossible National were ever to compromise their principles to form a coalition with this bunch of want-it-alls-without-effort. Oops, they have already! But the Maori Party is in destruction mode, so who does that leave again? ACT? Migillicudy Serious? The Communists?

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