Marriage Equality Bill introduced in UK

The UK and David Cameron’s government is getting on with making marriage equal for all. The bigots won’t be happy even though there is an exemption for he Church of England.

The British government has introduced a bill legalising same-sex marriage and says lawmakers will get their first vote on it in Parliament next month.

The Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Bill, published yesterday, extends marriage to gay couples but excludes clergy in the Church of England – the country’s official faith – from having to carry out the ceremonies. 

That is intended to placate religious opponents of same-sex unions – though it has not stopped criticism of the bill from religious leaders.

The bill is likely to become law because it is supported by Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron, many of his Cabinet and most Liberal Democrat and Labour lawmakers.

Watch the bigots unhinge themselves about the end of western civilisation as we know it and how we will start to run out of people if pooftahs are allowed to get married.

For those who oppose it they should just be made to listen to this song until they understand that equality is good for us all.

  • starboard

    Well I wont be recognising it..poofters in marriage..not a show..dirty ferals.
    Lily who ?

    • Lion_ess

      Lily Allen – great song isn’t it – it always makes me smile.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        Love it…and so appropriate

      • unsol

        That & her Not Fair – she’s a crack up….gotta love a girl who is not too prudish to talk about real issues in a real way

        • unsol

          Oh look, the prudes & chauvinists hit dislike….surprise surprise!

      • dotcom

        It is a childish song, which could have been written by a 7 year old, while being targeted at the mentality of 9 year old boys who have just discovered that their penis has a use other than peeing. The song is crass. It is incredibly unclever and unsubtle, and is totally devoid of artistry. Puerile is an appropriate word I think. Immature and puerile, describes the song, and the people who claim to love it.

        • Lion_ess

          But doesn’t she perform it well? What songs do you like?

          • dotcom

            Bohemian Rhapsody, by the great Queen for starters. That surprised you didn’t it. The hedonist of all hedonists. But what an artist Freddie was.

          • Lion_ess

            Yep he was, and gay. So, I guess with that you are edging to justify your comments on aids and health insurance?

          • dotcom

            Happy to justify, but this is a happy thread, and you would not like the size of the premiums (for the men of course, not you). Then again, you might delight in seeing how astronomical the male gays’ premiums might be. You might take a lubricious delight in it.

          • Lion_ess

            Insurance is a major con anyway – have you not worked that out yet? Ask the people who live in Christchurch.

          • Lion_ess

            Are you an insurance salesman? Insurance Companies are only a couple of layers down as successful thieves from the churches. But you would know this.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            Gay too…his chin hit more balls than Andre Agassi’s tennis racquet

          • dotcom

            There you go with that double standard thing again.

          • unsol

            Nah, I Want to Break Free, Fat Bottom Girls & Bicycle are way better. BR is a fantastic piano piece though

          • Kimbo

            “…the great Queen…”

            Bah! Queen – more anthems than a Nuremberg rally!

          • dotcom

            I was asked. Should I have consulted you first my ol’ mate Kimbo. Not your style, but a few hundred million record sales says i’m right and you’re not.

          • Kimbo

            “Not your style…”

            Hey, Dotty! Good to find you on a site where you haven’t been…excused. :)

            I actually had all their albums (except ‘Flash Gordon’) to date when I was 18. ‘The Works’ (1984) was the last one I bought before I tired of them and moved on to other things. After that they got even more bombastic – ‘I want it all’, and ‘Highlander’ sound tracks. I pulled the plug just in time.

            Also – FYI – our mate, David Bain was listening to Faroukh Bulsara’s (aka Freddie Mercury) clichĂ©d lyrics and Brian May’s guitar solos when doing that last paper infamous round. Not sure what it means…:)

            Personally, I always liked their 1973 debut album which had overtones of a clean and unpolished Led Zeppelin – it was before Roy Thomas Baker got hold of them and started laying down 101 multi-tracks.

        • Lion_ess

          Well, I love it – and when I listen to it, I think it resonates with more situations than just marriage equality.

        • Gayguy

          Nasty troll aren’t you.

          Not content with condemning people for their sexuality, you are now slamming people for the music they like.

          • dotcom

            Pathetic. Kimbo slammed my taste, dumbarse, numbarse and cumarse. Stop making a fool of the entirety of the gay population by the example you publicly display. Do your fraternity a favour and shaddappa you face.

    • Gayguy

      Nobody cares what you will or won’t accept.

  • Greg

    Yeah, let the arse bandits get married, why shouldn’t they be made to suffer like the rest of us?

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      if someone wants a mother in law then they should be able to, share the burden

  • Gulag

    “Bigots” just because you disagree with something. That is not very tolerant.

    • starboard

      welcome to bigot oil

  • dotcom

    You have made it patent and blatant that debate is not welcome. Your blog. Your rules. Your void of comments.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      You can debate all you like, see if you can manage without saying arse bandits, poo pushers, or other such epithets…which demean what ever argument you profess to have…so far you AIDS argument has been totally destroyed…what next…the gays cause crime?

      • unsol

        Exactly – that along with equating people in legal consensual adult relationships with incest, child molestation & bestiality undermines any credibility a commentator might have in terms of differing point of views.

        Re gays cause crime – he has already argued that (Saturday debate)….despite LGBT being only about 10% of the population with say maybe 4% being men (there are way more girls in this country than boys – see http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/capital-life/5962320/Sorry-ladies-theres-a-man-drought)

        So not sure how that 4% somehow translates into 79% of offenders committing robbery, GBH, male assaults female, rape, child abuse etc etc

        • dotcom

          Liar, you proposed the moot. You said that hetero men were (proportionately) responsible for most “murders, rapes and child molestation”. You made the assertion. I disputed it. You asserted. Your onus to prove it. Not my onus to prove the negative of you assertion. Liar. I never mentioned 4 percent of anything. Liar, unsol. If you are speaking for gay people, then you set a bad, bad example, but no surprises here.

          • unsol

            Mouthy dot you seem to have an awfully short memory, here let me refresh it:

            “[re hetero men] but not for example dishonesty, property or sex crimes, in which hetero men are a lower proportion.Damn those (inconvenient) statistics in which we (conveniently) forget to factor in the proportions of the population. Of course hetero men being a numerically-larger base, contribute numerically more crime. How many times do we have to repeat this proportionality correction? Proportionately, sorry, gay men are the more felonious”

            You didnt give any statistics pertaining to anything, but by default you are suggesting that 4% of the population commit more crime, esp theft & sex crimes, than hetero men.

            To assume – let’s face it, there are no facts to validate your assertion – such a thing is idiotic don’t you think?

            Sex crimes – which crimes are these? The rape of women & rape & molestation of children…nothing about the sexual crime stats back this up.

            Theft etc – mostly Maori in their 20s….are you suggesting that the majority of these boys are gay? Then why do they keep knocking up their missues before the spend another winter in the cells?

            And I doubt the LGBT community would be embarrassed or upset by anything I say….

          • dotcom

            Taken out of the context of your having made a claim that you cannot substantiate or will not substantiate, Unsol. Dirty pool, citing completely out of context, Unsol. Be careful, or I might stop playing with you if you cheat.

      • dotcom

        Thank you. “Arse bandit” has never been one of mine. Contrary to your remarks, the likes/unlikes on my comments suggest that my arguments were not totally destroyed, by a substantial margin.

        In any case, I don’t confine my arguments to HIV/AIDS. This is just the 65-million-people tip of the iceberg.

        But I do have a question for you. Aside from the fact that you are the host, and you can do what you like, how come you can post a song called “fuck you” day after day after day to the point of it being the everyday standard for the blog, but when I come in and use the fairly innocuous term, “poo-pusher” for example, I am vilified, indeed crucified, by the same get-fucked-posting host?

        I know, I know, ‘cos it’s your blog.

        Thirdly, clearly I didn’t get the lay of the land correct on first arrival, that is to say it is “not do as I do, but do as I say”. That said, three times since, I have posted apologies for what I now realise was my particular (as distinct from everyone else) going too far. How many apologies does in take before you will actually acknowledge any one of them?

        Here is another one just in case it might help. It seems that I got the tone and standards of this respectable blog wrong. I didn’t realise that the posting of “get fucked” songs day after day was a standard available only to the host, and a selected chosen few commenters. For getting your unlevel playing field wrong, I deeply and humbly apologise.

        • unsol

          Fuck you is just a general saying – regional/generational dialect if you will, but poo pusher is a derogatory term aimed to belittle a specific group of people.

          And you dare to imply that I’m dumb…or not quite as smart as you?

          • dotcom

            Slimy, smarmy distinction between “get fucked” which is a derogatory term more than “poo pusher” is. You need an independent reviewer of this – sorry your adjudication is not impartial. Anyway, can the moderator/host not answer for himself. Does he need you to wipe his bottom as well?

          • unsol

            You really need to ask? WO hardly lacks spine dotty.

            I’m just trying to prove your assertion that I am a mouthy woman :-)

          • dotcom

            Cheers, mouthy woman, from mouthy man.

        • fozzie2

          in defence of the whale – I think we know where he comes from, politically – but you and your fetish for all things anal are some thing else – you ‘sir/madam’ have a serious problem !!!

          • Alex

            Think dotcom is a bisexual, and that he feels “dirty” (hence the postings on anal sex seem to be catharsis for him). Gay guys get bored of anal quickly; but partnered bisexual men seem to have an insatiable appetite for it.

          • fozzie2

            what ever – I do not judge him – only his judgements on others – challenging what I believe to be untrue or unjust. This world is a tough enough place for our kids to live in – so I despise very much the bullies along with the bigots

          • dotcom

            Despise me all you like. My words will not cause infectious diseases.

          • dotcom

            Yes, this is directly from your GMTM, Gay Mens Tactics Manual.
            Guideline 5.7.2: Accuse the accuser of being the pervert.
            Sorry, doesn’t wash with me, sunshine.

          • dotcom

            Yes, this is directly from your gay mens tactics manual. Accuse the accuser of being the pervert. Sorry, doesn’t wash with me, sunshine.

      • dotcom

        And as far as “gays cause crime” that you mention, I notice you are unperturbed by an accusation today (which you saw) that “murders, rape and child molestation” are the province more of hetero men, than (proportionally) of gay men.

        Presumably if I attempt to contest this outrageous claim, you will be saying that my contesting it, is me conducting a hate campaign against gays.

        Would this be what gave rise to your comment above?

        • unsol

          No outrageous is you saying that 4% of the population is responsible for the majority of NZ crime. Given your eloquence & how you articulate your points I am disappointed that you are so desperate to degrade & discriminate against a small group of people that would purport fiction as fact

          • dotcom

            Not what I said at all. Not one mention of 4 percent. Don’t put your words or anything else of your in my mouth please.

          • dotcom

            You declared that proportionately, hetero men commit “most murders, rapes and child molestation”. You made the assertion. Your onus to prove it. Not my onus to prove the negative. Till you prove the assertion, I regard you as an inventor of bullshit facts.

          • unsol

            Yes onus probandi does lie with me….yaye someone who actually understands the concept of ‘burden of proof’!

            And I didnt mean you said the 4%, I meant that I said it – approx 10% of pop is LGBT and about 4% of them is men

            So given data I outlined earlier there is no way that gay men commit the most crime.

            In terms of finding proof re sexual orientation – corrections & police dont appear to report it so I cant see how you could ever you possibly quantify your claims when most people in NZ are hetero & the criminals are most likely to be young Maori robbing homes, cars, shops & banks etc.

            If gay men are supposed to be flouncy then how can they possibly have the guts – more so than hetero – to do this stuff & worse?

          • dotcom

            Google “homosexuality and crime statistics”. You will not like the results.

          • Alex

            hmmm just did; about hate-crime against gay men. The one site that does support your cause is http://www.jesusissaviour.com

          • unsol

            Haha I saw that too! Gotta love the God fearing bigot.

          • dotcom

            The What-fearing. Fearing what, Unsol? Sorry, don’t believe in your fairy tales.

          • dotcom

            Who is saviour Alex? Who was that again? Not interested in your fairy tales.

          • Gayguy

            Depends if any old garbage will do, or if you want actual reliable facts.

          • dotcom

            Piffle, Gayguy, as always, you post piffle. Do your community a favour and shaddappa you face. You are a serious embarrassment to all upstanding and honourable gay men.

          • unsol

            When I do that it just comes up with heaps of references to hate crimes against gay men…..do you have an anti gay google?

    • Mitch82

      You oughta look back through your comments over the last couple of weeks. Pretty embarrassing stuff for someone using the word ‘debate’.

      • unsol

        Well said – we all say things that could be said better, but what I dislike most about many of the anti comments on this subject is that they are either blatantly degrading or religious sanctimony whereby they make subtle but unmistakably derogatory comments under the guise of appearing to care for their fellow man as per the good Christian way.

        Yet my understanding of Christ is that a potty mouth is irrelevant, but character, attitude & acceptance of others is everything.

        • dotcom

          Never mentioned Christ, religion, or Christianity once, unsol. Not my thing.

          • unsol

            By that I mean the obvious religious nuts & so-called Christians

          • dotcom

            Sorry.

      • dotcom

        I know that “discussing” gay mens health is unpalatable to you. But you confuse your distaste for my stance, with my style of “debate”. I don’t like your comments either, particularly your denial-by-rote of the problem.

        But NOT being allowed to discuss it, is unpalatable to me. The health problems you bring into the community as a whole, affect every person in the world. And populations ignore it at their own peril. I notice Russia have more common sense than us, and passed stronger anti-gay-disease legislation today. Fancy me being jealous of anything Russian.

        • unsol

          It’s a fair point to raise, problem is you are using it to defend your stance against gay marriage.

          Yet if perfection in terms of moral code, actions & health choices were the standard for marriage then no one could get married.

          • dotcom

            No I’m not. Show me where I have made such a stance. Again you’re doing the “onus probandi” thingy.

            Once again for the umpteenth time, my only issues with gay men is the community health one, the unprotected unsafe anal sex. Again for the umpteenth time, we the taxpayer provide unlimited – that’s unlimited – condoms and dams for gay men to use, and they give us the finger and endanger the health of the entire human race.

            The other issue I have is the propaganda machine, that prevents the gay community from telling the straight world the truth about the health issues. The gay community want the straight community to believe that there are no gay health issues; and that to the extent that there “might be” an HIV/Aids issue, that is is more of a hetero problem than gay; and that we don’t have to worry about it, because is is only an African problem. Utter rank and deceitful and dangerous bulldust. The gay community does itself no favours with this constant propaganda stream. All the propaganda achieves for gays, is to bring upon the gays, yet further hate for this gratuitous dishonesty.

        • Gayguy

          Move to Russia. I’ll buy you the one way ticket.

          • dotcom

            I accept with thanks. Has been a bit over 30 years since I was in Red Square, and at Lenin’s tomb. Nominate the travel agency where I can collect ticket.

          • starboard

            How about YOU move to Iran..I’ll buy you a one way ticket chutney.

    • Lion_ess

      Well, you have just been proved wrong on that count.

      • dotcom

        On what count?

        • Lion_ess

          You have made it patent and blatant that debate is not welcome. Your blog. Your rules.

          • dotcom

            Yep, who would have thought?

  • Lion_ess

    Why are the negative comments about “marriage equality” almost always from males, and refer to the idea of two guys getting married? I don’t see the same bigotry projected towards the idea of two females marrying.

    • starboard

      youre female…you wouldn’t understand.

      • Lion_ess

        No, I don’t understand – enlighten me if you would?

        • Travis Poulson

          Let’s see if he can without the use of porn links :)

          • Lion_ess

            Now, back to yesterday’s Face of the Day .. who photo-shopped the cow into the picture?

          • Travis Poulson

            Nobody. It’s not so unbelievable you know, I preferred to squirt it straight into the coffee cup though.

          • Lion_ess

            Sure you did:) Coffee in the cup – check, sugar – check – smudgy eye make-up – check – cowshed.

          • Travis Poulson

            Funny part is you think I’m joking. Ah the innocence of a sheltered townie :)

          • Lion_ess

            Not at all Travis, I’m married to a country boy. Just thought I would have got a better reaction from the “smudgy eye-makeup” part.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            Or saying faggots, homos, poo-pushers, arse bandits, etc…will be an interesting experiment

        • starboard

          male and male…next they will want children which will lead to molestation and violation of said children and we don’t want that now do we.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            really? oh the thouroughly disproved slippery slope…uhmmm…we don’t have gay marriage now…pray tell who is molesting all the kids now?…oh that’s right heterosexuals…in loving marriages…

          • starboard

            link please

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            Is that a reminder to yourself to prove links for you assertions that gays cause crime and two males in a committed relationship molest children?

          • starboard

            “.pray tell who is molesting all the kids now?…oh that’s right heterosexuals…in loving marriages…”

            Link please. Not much to ask ?

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            http://bit.ly/SPIu00- married father-of-two
            http://bit.ly/SPJyRp – A prominent comedian convicted of performing a sex act on his four-year-old daughter
            http://bit.ly/SPJKAj – The parents of eight children have gone on trial in Wellington for neglecting them and committing sexual offences against them.

            As well as sexually abusing the children, the father, 55, is accused of tying the children to a clothes line at their home and spinning them around.

            Want any more..will three do?

          • unsol

            How about we just ask all the girls who have been sexually abused by the time they were 16…..that’s a fair number there.

          • dotcom

            Yes, but a number very much smaller than the number claimed by said sub-16s by a very long way. But that’s another topic for another day.

          • dotcom

            No mention of perverted school teachers or various perverted members of the clergy at this point. Slight inconveniences perhaps?

          • dotcom

            But they never factor in proportionality. Yes, more heteros. But *in proportion*, massively more rainbows.

          • dotcom

            Are you trying to imply that a wedding ring on a gay man is going to be more of a crime deterrent than the same wedding ring on the male half of husband and wife? You’re making this up to test us, right?

          • unsol

            or hetero boys that are just really (un) funny

          • dotcom

            Google “homosexuality and crime statistics”. You will not like what you find.

          • Lion_ess

            Where do you get the idea that child molestation is only perpetrated by gay males? It’s not you know – it’s often perpetrated by heterosexual men who are also married.

          • unsol

            Exactly – most child molestation is committed against girls (so how would a gay pedo ever want to go there?) and of the men who molest boys, 80% identify themselves as hetero (Rape Crisis/MOH etc)

          • starboard

            call bullshit on that

          • unsol

            Ah right back at ya portside. Rape Crisis et el have stats….what is it you have other than bluster & bullshit & just hating on something that freaks you out a little????

          • starboard

            sure sure. Show me some fucking stats then mary.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            No you show some stats…show us a link…

          • starboard

            What Homosexuals Admit

            The 1948 Kinsey survey found that 37% of the gays and 2% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-17-yr-olds, and 28% of the gays and 1% of the lesbians admitted to sexual relations with under-16-yr-olds while they themselves were aged 18 or older. (18)

            In 1970 the Kinsey Institute interviewed 565 white gays in San Francisco: 25% of them admitted to having had sex with boys aged 16 or younger while they themselves were at least 21. (19)

            In The Gay Report, 23% of the gays and 6% of the lesbians admitted to sexual interaction with youth less than 16 years of age. (20)

            In France, 129 convicted gays (21)(average age 34 years) said they had had sexual contact with a total of 11,007 boys (an average of 85 different boys per man). Abel et al reported similarly that men who molested girls outside their family had averaged 20 victims each; those who molested boys averaged 150 victims each. (22)

          • starboard

            and thats over 50 years ago ! Imagine what the filthy perverts get up to now !

          • starboard

            off to shag my wife..g’nite.

          • Alex

            he calls his hand his “wife”, how sweet.

          • Gayguy

            Poor woman having to put up with you.

          • starboard

            oh look its chutney guy. Shagged any bum holes lately?

          • starboard

            Well now chutney boy…at least my wife doesn’t shave and leave the toilet seat up.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            Still no link

          • unsol

            Mary??? Aye at least my portside swipe made sense :-)

            Some useful links:

            Re 80% figure – http://rpe.co.nz/frequently-asked-questions/

            Others about child rape & molestation see http://www.childmatters.org.nz/58/learn-about-child-abuse/myths-and-realities…note the part about 85-90% of all cases are committed by someone they know. Since gay men only make-up about 4% of the population (LGBT total is about 10% & there are more females than males in NZ) then the odds are the offender is hetero. Note also than 51% of child molestation is committed against girls not boys….

            http://www.wellingtonrapecrisis.org.nz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=5

            ttp://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/10-myths

          • Lion_ess

            I’m a stat, have a chat with me.

          • unsol

            Me too – along with over 1/2 of my girl friends…..gotta love Children Homes in the 80s and all those well meaning CYF foster parents we got to go & stay with in the holidays…

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            Got a link for that?

          • unsol

            Actually portside according to a US pastor the only way gays can & want to reproduce is by molesting children……

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      Because that is just awesome and every blokes fantasy…isn’t it?

      • dotcom

        No. (Seeing as you asked).

    • unsol

      I KNOW!!! And it isnt new……lesbian sex was never outlawed.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        I KNOW!!! Awesome

        • unsol

          :)

      • dotcom

        I KNOW!!! as well. Isn’t it great!

  • BR

    I’ll admit it. I’m bigoted. Against leftists. Every large scale avoidable problem on this planet has their fingerprints all over it.

    The homosexual lobby are exclusively of the left. It was the leftist homosexual lobby who succeeded in obtaining the state sanctioning of buggery, under a leftist government of course. It is the leftist homosexual lobby who are vehemently campaigning for the state sanctioning of homosexual “marriage”. The left will not be content with that. They never sleep. They are like cancer. The next step will be homosexual adoption, thereby involving children in these sordid unions.

    Will the left be happy with that?

    Regretfully, no. Nothing is off the table for these evil bastards. Eventually, any and all discrimination against homosexuals will be illegal, forcing Christian churches to endorse these grotesque partnerships.

    So where to after that?

    The left will make a case for the state sanctioning of every kind of perversion, including kiddy-fiddling. Bert Potter convinced a group of people who were otherwise normal to accept pedophilia as a good thing. If one man could do that on his own using little more than a measure of sleazy salesmanship, how about a lengthy and prolonged campaign by the left? Look how far they’ve come already. Two men getting “married” used to be the stuff of Monty Python, but now this absurd concept is being taken seriously.

    Watch this space.

    Bill.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      I hope none of you kids are gay….really I do

      • dotcom

        Do you have a personal interest in the debate that has not been declared, perhaps?

        • unsol

          Other than advocating for a minority of people who are being discriminated against?

          • dotcom

            But you are discriminating against my right to free speech on a topic of public interest. Remember, my only beef with gay men, is reckless and dirty (unprotected) anal sex, something that is dangerous for the entire community. Your preventing me from protesting it, is discriminatory against my right to free speech.

        • Mitch82

          Haha, YOU of all people implying that Whale is closeted? That’s the most delicious irony ever!

          • dotcom

            Not at all. Mine was a reply to his statement about having gay kids. Der. I wondered if he might be the one with gay kids. Context please children.

          • BR

            I don’t believe he believes all this homo “marriage” nonsense himself.
            He only promotes it to improve the blog ratings.

            Bill.

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

          Fairness and equality…funny how somehow I am supposed to be gay now…tell you what dotcom..don’t knock something till you’ve tried it.

          • unsol

            Apparently I’m a Lesbian liberal conservative…on the bright side silly digs that have no substance means they know their arguments have zero credibility

          • Alex

            Change the topic to “old men are dirty sexual predators” and watch dotcom get worked up at how this is a nasty unjust stereotype. Funny he’s so sensitive at that, yet thinks nothing of slandering another group. It’s also funny how dotcom is so economical with the truth: the vast majority of HIV/AIDs infections are in Africa, as a result of heterosexual transmission. Hard to believe that he doesn’t know this; easier to believe that he deliberately ignores this fact.

          • unsol

            But in the West it is gay men that make up the most of our Aids/HIV numbers – huge issue. In Aus their advertising has become quite bold….upsetting the church groups of course see http://www.samesame.com.au/features/8782/Queenslands-most-controversial-ad-campaign-returns.htm

          • Alex

            I recognise that statistics. Personally I’m horrified by the Aids lobby as well. It is time that they started trying to tell promiscuous gay men that having a long term faithful relationship is the ideal. Well actually most gay men eschew promiscuity, either being celibate or in faithful relationships.

            But, my god, guys find it so difficult trying to remind themselves that they can remain faithful for years when you have, on one hand, the likes of dotcom about and, on the other hand, the Aids lobby and the porn and sex-on-site advertisers with their morally questionable messages. The problem stems I think from the fact that homosexual identity in the West has been constructed around sexual attraction. Whereas, in my personal experience, homosexuality is an emotional identity first and foremost; the sexual element being merely a by-product that (from my own and others’ experience) can actually cease to exist once you reach a certain age.

            But as I say, it is so difficult to have a decent conversation about this in this age of crude sexuality and barbarism.

          • unsol

            Fidelity seems to be a gender issue rather than a sexual orientation one……although women are starting to catch up.

            But you’re right – we cant get real on the big issues when people continue to let their fear or ignorance dominate their thought processes. And to always focus your arguments on the sexual intimacy of others is just odd…all sex is a little gross if you think about it too much as it is a very raw, emotionless (except for those who call sex “making love”) & animalistic action…esp if when discussing other people!

            Like most people who comment on this issue, it has no baring on my day to day life – my brother is gay but would never get married (and no he isnt promiscuous…we both appreciate the values we grew up with) & while it is something I dont personally understand I accept it.

            I get that for most LGBT people their sexuality is as natural to them as mine and I fail to see any validity in any of the arguments raised against marriage equality as they all stem from some misguided view on what they think marriage is post marrying for heirs, status & wealth or from religion that is usually based on a very contradictory book whereby interpretations are rarely agreed on amongst the religious let alone the rest of us.

          • dotcom

            Fuck, I’m powerful. Now I’m responsible for all the gay promiscuity. Come out and party with the old guy. Come out and fuck yourselves stupid. Fuck I’m powerful. Thanks Alex, you made my night.

          • Alex

            No, you’re dumb. You can’t read properly. You make bullshit up. You’re obsessed by your own ego, hence you’re need to post continually. You have an anal fixation. But not powerful. Possibly I’d speculate, you’re a dirty old man and have been accused of being one by someone, hence your dislike of that stereotype.

          • Gayguy

            Best summing up ever.

          • dotcom

            Truth at last.

          • unsol

            You havent been able to prove anything I have said is a lie mouthy man….fyi….mouthy women like me dont ever lie either.

            If you can prove me wrong with relevant NZ stats then I will reconsider.

            Problem is such data doesnt exist. :)

          • dotcom

            Here we go again straight out of the gay procedures manual. Guideline 3.4.1, when HIV/AIDS is mentioned, lie about it being an African problem, not a gay problem. Alex, I hope the HIV/Aids you get isn’t the
            African one, but maybe a Chinese one. And Guideline 3.4.3, lie about it being a hertero disease, not a gay disease. And guideline 3.4.6, call the straight person a liar before he calls you one.

            Fucking liars, all of you. You lie so much, that you deserve all of you do have your lies come back and kill you, which they undoubtedly will.

          • Gayguy

            And yet again you demonstrate how poorly educated you are.

          • Alex
          • dotcom

            Alex, my $500 stands. Call me a liar all you like. First one to show where I have lied on the blog, gets the $500.
            Putta uppa or you shaddappa you face.

          • unsol

            Dont take it so personally – if you fire off you have to expect a bit back. It’s only cyberspace….and they admitted to it being a gay man’s disease in the West, but world wide it is a hetero just because of the share numbers.

            Btw, can anyone tell me how the monkeys passed it on to the Africans & gay community?

          • starboard

            sure. A dirty homosexual shagged an infected monkey. Homosexual went home and shagged his bum buddy…bingo! Anal Injected Death Sentence.

          • dotcom

            You need to be truthful about what I have said about gays. You assume far too much. My only beef about gays is the proclivity towards filthy and unsafe and unprotected (anal) sex. I couldn’t care less about the gay parade, or the gay partying, or the gay attire, or who you smoke your dope with etc etc. Couldn’t care less. But the dirty sexual practices cross over and affect my world. Are you denying this? It is time gays stopped lying to the straight world about this, and assuming that we swallow your lies. We hate you because collectively you lie. Tell the truth at least, and it’s one less reason to hate you.

          • dotcom

            Who has suggested you are gay? Tell you what, whaleoil, as for not knocking till I’ve tried something, you can but dream of where I’ve been and what I’ve done. But I wouldn’t risk HIV/AIDS these days at any cost. Besides, I’m too old now, and I have far too many fantastic memories to be spoiling them at this stage by wantonness.

          • fozzie2

            “I’m too old now”

            there in lies your problem – hope you are not looking for a blood transfusion any time soon ….

          • dotcom

            Ahah, I hope you never have to suffer the problem of age, young man. I hope that you die soon enough to never have to. Cheap shot. If you manage to achieve a tenth in your lifetime, that I did, you can rubbish others about their age. Go tell your grandfathers they are inferior because they are old. And no, not blood transfusion, not pills, not zimmer frame, not wheelchair, not walking sticks. You on the other hand, will never have to even consider these things. Fate has a funny way of dealing to people like you. So, as I say, seeing as you have no respect for age, I hope you never have to experience it.

          • fozzie2

            You are sad – I am too – as a mum with an illness that my specialists tell me is now well ‘unfixable’. So Mr NOT dotcom, I know what matters. I celebrate my children’s accomplishments and choices every day – and if one of them is gay I will celebrate that too !

          • dotcom

            My comments about my age stand. Like I said, “the fickle finger of fate” deals to people who abuse older people for being old. Ha ha ha.
            Incidentally, I am tired of the tired old babyish comments about my nickname over the last year. I have been using this nick for 6 years now. Now you were saying?

    • dotcom

      Don’t forget public health costs to the taxpayer. Can you imagine what the gay medical insurance premiums would be if we didn’t have this ridiculous one size fits all, everyone covered, public health scheme. And if medical insurance companies were able to charge premiums genuinely based on actuarial risk.

      Like for example, we could have smokers told that they have to carry their own health risks. So the medical insurers adjust their premiums skywards for smokers.

      If we could do the same for gay men and charge medical insurance premiums based on actuarial risk .. .. .. Just thinking out loud.

      • unsol

        That’s actually a fair point but you have to extend to Maori & PIs (STIs far too high in these groups too), all those who have recently gotten into running whereby shuffling & poor hip/knee alignment is only ever going to result in massive health costs to the taxpayers long term, fat people, smokers, drinkers, recreational cyclists, rugby players, farmers riding quad bikes, motorcross riders etc etc

        We have private health insurance & they charge on actual risk bar recreational sports

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

          Bring ont eh fat tax…Obesity causes far more costs on the health sector than the small percentage of people in NZ with HIV

          • unsol

            Yep sure does…..but I reckon when this new generation of recreational runners (which has only picked up massively in the last 12 years) gets older they will give the fat people a run for our money though. Hip & knee replacements are not cheap and most people who take up running in later life are sitting ducks for both (poor form and/or poor shoes etc)

          • dotcom

            Yes, there is no doubt that I have a worldly perspective on HIV/AIDS which New Zealanders generally lack perspective on. New Zealanders have been generally sheltered from the world magnitude of the problem.

            But look, you will notice that just now, it was not me who redirected the conversation back to HIV/AIDS. So can you please stop banging on about HIV/AIDS. Do you have nothing else to talk about?

          • Gayguy

            Are you still spreading lies about HIV/AIDS?

          • dotcom

            No, are you spreading lies about my spreading lies? I’ll put $500 in escrow, payable to the first person who can show one lie I have told on this blog.

          • Gayguy

            It is not so much the lies and nonsense about HIV/AIDS that you vomit, it is the fact you actually believe them.

          • dotcom

            Put up or shut up. Show my lying and collect $500. Or shutuppa you face.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        You shouldn’t think out loud…better to be thought a fool than speak (or in this case write) and remove all doubt.

        • dotcom

          You are famous for one thing – telling every commenter at some stage that it is better to be thought of as a fool than speak and remove all doubt. I can offer you a new one, or one that you can alternate with this one and double your repertoire if you want.

          • Lion_ess

            Oh, he’s never told me that, yet. I watched your comments on KWB and; you don’t want to comment, rather take over – must be a bloke thing.

          • unsol

            Pawned…..careful Lion, he will call you a mouthy woman that could never get a man :-)

          • dotcom

            Only in response to a woman calling herself mouthy.

          • unsol

            No you called me mouthy – I would describe myself in a derogatory & sexist way.

            Lest you forget: “Now back to topic, imagine being partnered to even one of you, let alone two. Ah well, not for much longer. I know these things, and your mouthy type won’t be partnered for much longer, sweetheart. Good luck.”

          • dotcom

            Off topic sweetheart. Yes, I am a bit of an addict when it comes to David Bain debates. Comment on very little else though, except here, where people have challenged me in a slightly different direction. The David Bain thing is far too complicated for WOBH participants.

          • unsol

            I havent seen your comments – do you think he is guilty, partially guilty (didnt kill Mum & siblings but killed his dad) or innocent….just as an indication

          • dotcom

            Off topic. My views are clear from Bain threads on WOBH.

          • Lion_ess

            Um, actually the debate is still being commented on by the same main participants. This doesn’t suggest advanced mental dexterity to me, rather obsessiveness. There’s the difference.

    • starboard

      +1.
      Good post Bill.

    • Alex

      Bill, the problem is with the idiotic social conservative wing who (as shown by dotcom) use every opportunity to denigrate homosexuals and to resist pretty much every inevitable social change.

      The militant leftist wing is just the counter reaction to that; and both groups feed off each other.

      If the centre-right in this country had stayed faithful to its Classical Liberal roots — ie, that the State has no business regulating the affairs of two consenting adults — and had not pandered to reactionary and religious fossils, then the militant leftist gay lobby would have gained little traction.

      The Left would have been denied valuable ammo against National, which they have used to great advantage in the last 20 years to show that National is full of reactionaries and narrow minded people, and that the Left is “live and let live” and “caring” moderates. Thanks to that approach, the Left has been able to take away much of the middle class and women vote, which traditionally used to favour National,

      While I’m totally bored of this same-sex marriage debate, since it will have very little impact at all and thus seems like a waste of energy, we still have social conservatives haven’t learnt, and spend day and night posting their rants. The same-sex marriage will have no practical effect on them, so heaven knows why they’re getting so exercised by it. All they do is provide futher proof to homosexual voters that the centre-right is the haven for homophobes, and that only Left wing parties can safeguard their interests.

      Ultimately social conservatives are “offended” and “outraged” by same-sex marriage. That being the case, they think that their subjective feelings are valid reasons why the same sex marriage Bill should not be enacted. In this respect, they’re not that different to extreme Leftists with their propensity to be “outraged” and “offended” at anything they disagree with, followed by the tiresome demands for it to be “banned”.

      • dotcom

        Bullshit. I’ve never said any such thing, fuckwit, and liar.

      • dotcom

        I have said repeatedly, but I can’t say it in every comment, that I have no problem with the gay lifestyle. Good god, I was a hedonist myself for most of my adult life, and I loved it. I do have a problem with dangerous sexual practices, including unsafe, unprotected anal sex. That is the only beef I have, so you have no credibility in the inventions above about me. Fucking utter bullshit. Dickhead.

        • Gayguy

          Why do you have this misguided belief that only gays are having unsafe sex?

          • unsol

            Maybe he doesnt – my problem, as stated earlier somewhere down this long page of waffle, is that such issues are brought into a debate about marriage equality so are completely irrelevant

          • Gayguy

            From past ramblings, it does come across that he believes that only gays have unsafe sex. But then he also struggles with the origins of AIDS, or that world wide more heterosexuals have HIV/AIDS than homosexuals.

            DC lacks a level of basic education in all this because of his bigoted attitude and truly believes that marriage equality will cause HIV rates to rise.

          • unsol

            I havent picked on at that all, but then I havent really seen any of his comments before the last couple of days…..whereas the usual suspects stick out like dogs balls as area always really crass, degrading or patronizing & derogatory (the latter all being in the name of God of course).

            But then WO keeps firing these posts out along with other good topics so I have to pick & choose with my PC time!

          • Gayguy

            Fair enough.

          • dotcom

            You do your cause only harm, when you prove time and time again, that nothing you and your kind say, can be believed.

          • dotcom

            Repeatedly and consistently Gayguy, I have said exactly the opposite. Do they give lying lessons in gay school? You must have topped the class. You would do your gay causes much more good, it you didn’t prove time after time, that nothing that comes out of your mouth can be believed.

    • Gayguy

      Good lord what a massive load of shit Bill.

      • starboard

        massive load of shit eh chutney guy..truth hurts eh..ya filthy creature.
        Go play with ya glory hole.

        • dotcom

          Ooooh, glad I didn’t say this. Cam would have boiled me. I’m not even allowed to say p¤¤ p*sher.

      • BR

        Wow! You really have me convinced with that rebuttal.

        Bill

  • fozzie2

    Welcome to ” how i improve my hits” oil – slack day bring on the gay marriage debate ! Show I guess the quality if loons that are attracted to this flame ….

  • Azeraph

    This is rather mute as civil unions give all the rights of two people who want to commit to a life long relationship, so, Why the supposed out cry over it? Child adoption? Then what? Supposed recognition as a separate species of man? That’s just as bad as Judith Butlers babble.

    • Gayguy

      Equal but separate is not equal.

      • Azeraph

        You’re going to have to educate me matey. In all our history of being on this planet where can you point to a community that freely had open sexual rights? Greece can’t be used as it was viewed as a dalliance and respect wasn’t given to men who didn’t have a wife, unless i’m wrong and have a confused memory i’m open to correction. Gay people have full rights is this not true? how is it separate other than the word Marriage?

        • Gayguy

          A CU is not a marriage. That simple.

          • Azeraph

            This has nothing to do with marriage, you and every other person who think they are involved in a connected world wide movement have taken on the segregation syndrone heightened by the classical gay over-bitchness and typical neurotic reactive response that queen spiders love to effect when theres an audience. Marriage states on Dictionary.com that-

            A) A contract between man and woman

            B) Gay marriage, a contract between two of the same gender.

            So you guys will go under B cert, Yippy Kaiyaiyay @#$%^& when it passes and everyone gets a self shot of dopamine and believes they are evolving. Typical children, get your genome checked.

  • cows4me

    Oh fuck is this news? More bullshit from dribbling useless liberal idiots, to solve all the problems in the world we must be equal, fucktards doesn’t even come close to describe these imbeciles

    • Gayguy

      Oh look, the homophobic position so well put.

  • Azeraph

    Strange how the Anglican Church did what they did, knowing full well what was written. I guess they are not one of the seven, just as bad as Mormons.

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