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williamabong commented on Sunday General Debate

Great to see John Hatfeilds scumbag of a mother getting her scrawny old rack in a twist because she has been arse card from Waitangi this year.
Sounds like the local iwi have had a gutsfull of the first family of hate and all they stand for.
Best thing Key could do would be to actually grow a pair, not unlike the pair Helen had, and tell the locals when they sort “Brown Rentamob” out I’ll be back, and take all the government representatives and their money with him, then we would see how unified the tribes actually were.

mitch82 commented on The banning of a hateful troll, why I did it

The reason Whale and the blog will survive and thrive is that he sees what Colin Craig, the Catholic Church and the US GOP stubbornly refuse to: conservatives are going to have to come to terms with gay marriage and accept it, or they’ll quite simply become relics of a bygone era.

As far as the debate goes, it’s been a long time since there’s been any rational conversation. The anti side know they’ve lost. All of their arguments have been overwhelmingly debunked, and it’s devolved into the few committed morons like ‘dotcom’ flinging their feces through the monkey bars at the public.

  • Andrei

    The reason Whale and the blog will survive and thrive is that he sees what Colin Craig, the Catholic Church and the US GOP stubbornly refuse to: conservatives are going to have to come to terms with gay marriage and accept it, or they’ll quite simply become relics of a bygone era.

    As far as the debate goes, it’s been a long time since there’s been any rational conversation. The anti side know they’ve lost. All of their arguments have been overwhelmingly debunked, and it’s devolved into the few committed morons like ‘dotcom’ flinging their feces through the monkey bars at the public.

    Now there’s a bit on empty headed triumphalism.

    To be sure we will get gay “marriage” in New Zealand and I even knew and said that when we got civil unions, I knew then that they would not be enough and gay “marriage” would appear within the decade as it will do.

    Never the less, it is a temporary thing, 20 years I give it, I also predict having acheived gay “marriage”, it will not be enough because “marriage” for gays is a hollow thing and this victory is a hollow victory.

    All the gays and their fellow travellors have acheived is the right to claim “equality” with hetrosexuals but they haven’t actually acheived “equality” because they cannot – it can’t be done no matter how many laws are passed or benefits bestowed.

    You cannot monkey with the lifecycle of the human being nor the mechanism for reproduction and socialization of the new generations without their being long consequences.

    And the fact our elites cannot see this, refuse to see this shows how dumb they really are

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Petal

      But then again, the idea of Equality is a absurd notion to start with Andrei.

      How many years after women fought for Equality are we now? And how exactly are all the salary surveys still showing that they are paid less (on average).

      A parent that says they love their children equally and show no favour? Bull. Children get all sorts of non-equal treatment depending on all sorts of factors.

      The IDEA that we should at least TRY to generate a more level playing field isn’t a bad one. Even though equality may never be achieved, it can at least be attempted, thereby improving life for those concerned along the way.

      • BJ

        Equal belongs in a maths equation. Equivalency is more applicable to society. Equality is a bullshit notion thats a case of ‘life’s not fair’ Well I’ve got news for some people – life ain’t fair.

  • BJ

    The concept of marriage is a fundamental category of existence.

    There are two fundamental natures in the world – Man and Woman. Their co-operation and not just mere existence forms that basis of our being. Co-operation between the two will only continue in the future if it is honoured by commitment, ideally in the differences bonding (marriage). This concept is important for the future of ‘Mankind’

    In eastern countries where their religious beliefs ( only anothers original idea taken further) dictate how the whole of society lives, have placed men has being the only important imput to human existence and therefore don’t work cooperatively and respectfully with their opposite (woman) and look where their societies are rapidly heading. I believe they have continual conflict because there are no stops on their behaviour from their opposites imput.

    In the west, by condoning homosexual relationships- within the framework or concept of marriage- as the base level of bonding, will bring about the western equivalent of the easts attitude. When it becomes ‘normal’ for two men to face the world together, using women for their imput into procreation only, men in the west will not be tempered by their opposite anymore. It will tear men and women apart over time and the only outcome from that is war.

    It won’t happen in my lifetime but the future for society that condones the concept of marriage for gays will see the total breakdown of society because the lack of understanding and fear that breeds disharmony and leads to war over religion is heading to our shores because men and women will not be able to work at getting along cooperatively anymore as it will not be happening at the personal level.

    I have tried really hard to articulate my thoughts respectfully on this post – lets see if the debate can stay grownup and respectful on both sides.

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