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The kids left behind by traditional schools are helped by Top US Charter Schools

by Whaleoil on February 5, 2013

Everyone knows the US Charter Schools have mixed results (unlike Sweden who have nailed it) and that there are things that have to be done right in New Zealand to get the massive benefits that are possible.

The key thing in the latest US study that New Zealand has to nail is the authorisation process. It has to be very thorough and the schools have to start well. If those things are done they will make a big difference to the children currently missing out.

Other findings to note:

1.   It is possible to organize a school to be excellent on Day One – and they need to be.

2. Charter Management Organisations post superior results with historically disadvantaged student subgroups.   They produce stronger academic gains for students of colour and students in poverty than those students would have realised either in traditional public schools or in many categories what would have learned in independent charter schools.  

In other words done well they massively help the targeted group for New Zealand which is the underachieving tail that the NZEI/PPTA/Labour/Green/Conglomerate want you to pretend don’t exist.

The finding that the opponents will ignore is:

“Charter Management Organisations (CMOs) have shown dramatically better results with critical sub-populations; this wisdom should be captured and shared to provide even wider education opportunities for underserved students.  CMOs with focused attention to underserved student groups have proven that strong outcomes in both growth and achievement are possible.  Those like KIPP and Uncommon Schools have shown that it is possible to be effective at scale.”

Once again – if the teacher unions and opposition parties have even half a care for the actual education of children it is well past time to drop the charade.

For parents – time to claim the choice for your kids.

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  • Bunswalla

    If you want to see an excellent example of the philosophy of being outstanding from Day 1, check out Andre Agassi’s preparatory college http://www.agassiprep.org/ – it shows what charter schools can achieve if they’re run properly. Hi autobiography Open is a pretty good read, too.

  • thor42

    Jeez – unionised teacher – “I know my kids are learning when I look in their eyes…”

    Wow – I’ll bet the charter school teachers can say the same thing, but they have RESULTS to back it up.

    Teacher unions are the scum of the world. They don’t give a damn about the children.

    • StupidDisqus

      Teacher unions are the scum of the world. They don’t give a damn about the children. They are self-serving, dinosaurial pricks.

      Which is why nothing short of a full on frontal assault: not just banning the unions by banning anyone who has ever been a unionist from setting foot in any school in NZ – is the only way to end the scourge once and for all.

  • blokeintakapuna

    This evidence and proof will send the education unions into a right tizzy… And righty so.

    How inconvenient for them when the facts and proven examples completely trumps their patch protection propaganda and brat-like squeals.

    Please show this to all teachers and unions everywhere. Hopefully that will make them STFU and stop their featherbedding and sheltering of incompetent, stale teachers.

    • StupidDisqus

      I don’t want to send the unions into a tizzy. I want to abolish them!

      Please show this to all teachers and unions everywhere. Hopefully that will make them STFU and stop their featherbedding and sheltering of incompetent, stale teachers.

      Dream the fuck on. You could (more to the point, NZ should) put “Teachersrock” and all his fellows up against the wall and all of them would rather die and recant their socialism. Nothing will change their minds: nothing will stop the massive damage they do to kids every day.

      The only saving grace is that the kids they are destroying are so awful their own parents don’t give a shit about them — because if they did, they’d be in private schools, not state schools.

  • Stuarts.burgers

    It took me a while but of course teachers are back at school so we will need to wait until after 3pm for Teachersrock to turn up to have their say

  • Teachersrock

    It would be intresting to sit in on one of these classes in one of these US CS’s WHale is highlighting.

    Odds are you will find what they are doing in most public classrooms across NZ.

    Even John Key is now saying publicly we have an outstanding public education system.

    • blokeintakapuna

      Yeah… But it stands out for all the wrong reasons. A 20 percent failure rate is beyond excuse and union excuses.

      • Teachersrock

        The 20% is an out right lie.

        • thor42

          Our education system can be *better*. There is no debate about that at all. There are FAR too many children – especially Maori and Pasifika children – failing. Given that charter schools have been shown to work, why are you against them?

          • Teachersrock

            The results around the world prove that CS’s much more often than not either do nothing, or are worse than public schools.

            Yes there are the odd success story, but more often than not, CS’s are a failure. We have one of the best systems in the world, let’s make that proven successful system even better rather than allowing the likes of Destiny Church set up cult schools using tax payer money.

          • thor42

            Wrong, Teachersrock. Repeating lies doesn’t make them true.

            “Odd success story” – yeah, right. Why, then, is the UK government ploughing ahead with charter schools? Sweden too has had huge success with charter schools.

            As for the likes of Destiny Church setting one up – that can be easily taken care of by the legislation.

          • Teachersrock

            No not wrong.

            Look at the international stats.

            And if you are going to legislate who can and cannot open charter schools, then it makes a mockery of the concept and they are nothing more than rewards for the Governments mates so they can make money off kids.

          • StupidDisqus

            Look at the international stats.

            5% of the population nett tax payers, and the rest vote for socialism again and again and again. Pretty significant total failure to me!

          • Dion

            I suppose you teach on a voluntary basis, do you?

          • Teachersrock

            No, I am right. There are far more failures that successes. And given this Governments track record, CS’s will be a spectacular failure.

          • StupidDisqus

            Given this government’s pathetic track record – two charters, and coverting Joyce-knows how many private schools to integrated – yes the government’s record is a spectacular failure.

          • TeacherUnionsRscum

            Just like Catholic schools are cult schools? Just like public schools are socialist cult schools?

          • Teachersrock

            Sigh. It is like talking to morons when trying to talk education with the right.

          • Bunswalla

            I’m no defender of religion in any shape or form, but it’s useful to remember a few things about Destiny Church.

            Nobody has ever been tortured, killed or banished for not belonging to it, and to my knowledge they’re not in the practice of buggering boys.

            That puts them a hell of a long way ahead of most other religions, and given their constituency they probably keep a lot of people on the straight and narrow, even if they mainly encourage them into gainful employment for the purpose of extracting cash. Probably one of the more transparent churches with regard to their purpose and meaning.

          • StupidDisqus

            Better by far the Romans than the Unionists.

            Better by far Destiny that the Romans.

            Remember: If you love your kids, you’ll never send them to a state school.

          • StupidDisqus

            We have one of the best systems in the world, at inculcating communism.

            At teaching freedom, liberty, self reliance, personal wealth we have by far the worst

            Why can’t you realise that parents don’t what their children taught what you unionists teach them?

          • Teachersrock

            Why can you not buy a brain?

          • pukakidon

            silly child

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            Got any links? Thought not

        • StupidDisqus

          Yep. More like 95%. Key is the state house state school kid who escaped from his background — although the fact we still have state houses and state schools shows he really didn’t move very far!

      • StupidDisqus

        And if you’re talking about academic results – 20% is far too high for the structure of NZ society.

    • Sym Gardiner

      In that case… instead of spouting off in ignorance, use a week of your next holiday and go to the US and visit one of these school.
      No one is saying most NZ schools are very good. What we are saying is they can be better AND they certainly can serve some sections of the NZ population MUCH better. The competition of Charter Schools will allow this to happen because the current system is not.

      • StupidDisqus

        No one is saying that most NZ schools aren’t very good

        Almost all NZ schools are foetid socialist indoctrination centers.

        • Sym Gardiner

          True. But society in NZ is pretty socialist in nature.

        • Teachersrock

          Idiot.

      • Teachersrock

        You pay, I’ll go, for both weeks. And visit more than one school.

        • Sym Gardiner

          Typical. Hands out.

    • StupidDisqus

      Odds are you will find what they are doing in most public classrooms across NZ.

      Utter rubbish. NZ state schools are taught by unionists and inculcate communism by their very nature.

      US Charter schools teach freedom.

      • Teachersrock

        Which shows how little you know on this topic.

        Studies carried out on US CS’s have shown they have little impact, and in most cases zero to negative impact.

        The US is not the best poster child for your poorly informed position.

        • Sym Gardiner

          Did you actually watch the video?

          • pukakidon

            He and his like dont need to, ignorant condescending self serving teachers know far better than anyone else. They will never look at the other side.

  • Orange

    Great video! Some of my classes are like that. Some are not so keen on the education thing but I see that as a positive challenge.

  • StupidDisqus

    Everyone knows the US Charter Schools have mixed results

    rubbish. Charter schools demonstrably attack the teacher unions – and that’s a result.
    They inculcate capitalism, rather than socialism. What other results are important?
    Better an innumerate illiterate who understands a capitalist society and their insignificant place it – serving their betters or starving in the gutter – than leftist drones taught by unionist communists who can read both Marx and Lenin and calculate their benefit entitlements to ten decimal places.

  • thor42

    The good news is that leftist ideology and policy has been *utterly* discredited (except for pig-ignorant Labour supporters). Teachersrock is one of the last of a dying breed (thank goodness, and good riddance).

    All you have to do nowadays to shut leftists up is to utter the word “Greece”. Greece is the poster-child of what happens to a country when all of a leftie’s wishes are granted and money is thrown around like water.

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