Breaking the no rooting and the no poofters rule at the same time

The Catholic Church has some pretty strict rules, especially for the clergy. No marriage or relationships, no rooting and no poofters.

You can imagine what happen if you doing all of them can’t you…you’d be a Cardinal for sure.

Cardinal Keith O’Brien had a long-standing physical relationship with one of the men whose complaints about his behaviour sparked his downfall as leader of the Catholic Church in Scotland.

The man left the priesthood in the middle of the last decade but rejoined and is living on the continent in a post the cardinal helped him secure.

The complainant is known to have been in regular telephone contact with Cardinal O’Brien until recently and was a frequent visitor to St Benets, his official residence in Edinburgh’s Morningside.

It is understood the cardinal confessed to the relationship after it was recently revealed there had been several complaints to the Vatican about his sexual behaviour towards priests in the 1980s. It is thought to be part of his reference to his sexual conduct as “a priest, a bishop and a cardinal”. 

It also emerged the dramatic downfall of Britain’s leading Catholic cleric was spurred by gay priests angry at his rhetoric and hypocrisy about same-sex marriages.

All those who complained about Cardinal O’Brien and alleged they had been abused by him were known to him for decades. At least two are known to have been in same-sex relationships and had become exasperated at double standards in his statements about gay marriage.

In the six months building up to him being forced to stand down last month, the cardinal had been under some pressure from priests to tone down the rhetoric.

However, his statements, such as describing homosexuality as a “moral degradation”, were a tipping point for those previously close to him.

Andrew Sullivan, himself a gay catholic notes:

So a cardinal in a same-sex relationship who publicly declared the idea of marriage equality as “madness” finally saw his elaborate house of cards collapse under the weight of massive hypocrisy.

It was massive. He goes on:

It’s a crack in the Catholic clerical closet – but look how long the news took to break and how egregious the hypocrisy had to be in order for the truth to come out. I’m against outing people in public life. But there are cases of such extreme hypocrisy, where such a vast gulf between private beliefs and public rhetoric almost requires people of conscience to speak out.

This is what I have been saying. The Catholic Church portrays itself, via the Pope and its Cardinals and all of its leaders int he clergy as the moral arbiters of the world. They are vocal on all sorts of issues from contraception to abortion to homosexuality and now on same-sex marriage. Yet everywhere you look inside in the Catholic Church you see a corroded rotting corpse of carnality with gay sex, heterosexual sex, and child abuse. The Catholic Church is morally bankrupt from its highest levels down…it urgently needs to be fixed. At the very least remove the hypocrisy. Either the rules are bullshit (which they are) or the church is bullshit for allowing such hypocrisy to grow and fester.

  • Gayguy

    This is nothing new. The Catholic church for centuries has been telling others how to lead their lives and then behind closed doors screwing everything that moves and being involved in allllll manner of questionable/immoral actions.

    I am not saying ALL members of the Church have behaved in this way since 2000 years ago. But a good number of them have.

  • Rodger T

    So I guess he can`t join the faculty at the University of Wooloomooloo then,

  • Jimmie

    If they really want their priests to be celibate for the rest of their lives why not make it a condition of becoming a priest to surgically remove their genitals.

    This shouldn’t concern them as they are vowing never to use them again right??

    • Gayguy

      Well they may need to pee at some point.

      • Rodger T

        Thats why god invented non-toxic tubing.

  • cows4me

    I fail to see the hypocrisy of a gay cleric calling gay marriage “madness”. He’s been a hypocrite to the rules of his faith but just because he’s in a gay relationship doesn’t mean that automatically he must be for gay marriage. Sounds to me the man is a realist when claiming gay marriage is “madness”, even a gay can understand the total stupidity of it all.

  • http://nzconservative.blogspot.com Lucia Maria

    At the very least remove the hypocrisy. Either the rules are bullshit
    (which they are)

    That was the call of Machiavelli. Whale, you should read my post on this: Christian journalist goes down for child porn and Hypocrisy in morals crusaders

    …or the church is bullshit for allowing such hypocrisy to grow and fester.

    The Church is full of sinners (even the popes go to Confession), therefore there is a constant need for purification. That purification is underway right now. The major sign that this so, is that this whole thing is so public, and therefore humiliating. It’s what’s necessary to clean it up.

    Your two options don’t quite work by themselves. The third would be : Or the Church is what she says she is and what we are witnessing right now is a purification by the Holy Spirit.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

      I knew you would fall into that…there is a big difference between being a christian journalist and the leader of a church. If you can;t see that then you are blinded by your willingness to excuse away the crimes of the catholic church.

      I am a christian blogger, it doesn’t mean I am without sin, and I am not moralising on any issue. The Cardinal of a church however is a different matter, not only was he living a lie, he was also telling everyone else how to live.

      I can’t see why you can’t see that.

      • http://nzconservative.blogspot.com Lucia Maria

        Whale,

        I agree with you that a Cardinal should be better than that. Totally, totally agree. Men like that have done an incredible amount of damage to the Church. They should not have ever become priests, much less Cardinals.

        I’ll stop at that point (before I continue) so me agreeing with you on something can sink in. :)

      • http://nzconservative.blogspot.com Lucia Maria

        Ok, will continue now.

        I made my initial comment to point out the error in your thinking between the either or choices you gave and how related that was to Machiavelli’s call to abolish all moral standards, because no one could ever live up to those standards (so why have them?).

        Do you really believe that if standards can’t be lived up to they should be abolished? Are you on Machiavelli’s side? That’s the reason I linked my post in. Not to accuse you personally of anything – that’s your own business.

        • Gayguy

          There is a difference between not being able to live up to moral standards, and vile condemnation of people when you yourself are doing the very thing you are attacking others for with such hate.

          • http://nzconservative.blogspot.com Lucia Maria

            Yes, you’re right, there is a difference. So, show me what O’Brien has said directly that is “vile condemnation”.

          • Gayguy

            I am talking about the church in general. But no doubt as a Catholic Cardinal he will be anti gay rights and will be happy to say said homos will burn in hell.

            But that is just an assumption on my part. Seeing as he is gay himself and sinning like there is no tomorrow he may not believe in hell.

        • Mediaan

          These priests, knowing (as you say) they are sinners, carry on with the hypocrisy of saying they are almost Christlike, and a part of God himself? Multiple priestly-sex child complainants have explained they sort of had to believe the sex abuse was all right, because they were always being told, the priest was God.

          • http://nzconservative.blogspot.com Lucia Maria

            I have never heard a priest say that he was almost Christlike and part of God, nor have I ever heard anyone say that the priest was God.

            Where on earth did you get that from?

          • Gayguy

            Have to agree with LM on this one. Where did you get the idea priests compare themselves to Christ, or claim to be part of God?

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