Gender quota wars last night inside the Greens

Read this email exchange from the Green taliban last night as they discuss gender balance for their list. Metiria Turei gets in on the act.

—–Original Message—–
From:¬†Nancy Higgins [[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 01:59 PM New Zealand Standard Time
To:¬†Green Women; Rainbow Greens;¬†[email protected]nz
Subject: [GW] gender remit

Hi all,

The Maunga Rua Branch’s remit from last year’s AGM has been carried over to this year. I am the contact person for this remit. The remit now reads.

“Remit One¬†to Alternate Male/Female Ranking on the List

Proposer: Maunga Rua Branch

The Party List at each election shall comprise all odd ranked places filled by one gender, and even numbered places filled by the other gender.

The gender filling odd numbered places at¬†any one election shall fill even numbered places at the following election.¬† The gender filling¬†odd numbered places at the first election after this remit is adopted shall be determined by a coin toss.”¬†¬†

I gave out some information about this remit last year, and, have since, siimplified and revised this information (see attached). ‘
We are seeking feedback about this remit, and I would certainly appreciate it, if you can indicate to me what questions you have, what issues you may have with it, and what amendments to the remit may address your questions or issues so that consensus may be reached.

We are considering amending the remit so that the final list can be adjusted for Maori, geographical, or youth representation, but that this adjustment would still need to retain its odd/even gender balance characteristic.

Regards

Nancy

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On 25/03/2013, at 2:21 PM, Metiria Turei wrote:

Kia ora Nancy,

My position remains the same as last year, that i oppose the remit and believe our current rules are sufficient. Its a bit of a bugger to have the debate again so soon after the last debate and i hope this doesn’t become an annual round, but hei aha.

Metiria

Sent with a proprietary device.

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From: On Behalf Of Nancy Higgins
Sent: Monday, 25 March 2013 8:08 p.m.
To: Metiria Turei
Cc:¬†‘Rainbow Greens’; ‘[email protected]‘; ‘Green Women’
Subject: Re: [GW] gender remit

Hi. We never did have the debate at the AGM, we ran out of time.

Why do you oppose it?

Do you just not believe in the even/odd numbered list? Or is it really just because you think that what we have now is the best that we can do

Nancy

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Sent: Monday, 25 March 2013 8:33 p.m.
To:¬†[email protected]
Subject: [YG] RE: [GW] gender remit

Hi Nancy,

The Te Atatu electorate had the following issues with the gender remit and I can’t see that they will not persist:

-          We were uncomfortable with the idea that we would separate women and men into non-competition groups based on their gender, rather than our current system that encourages and allows women to compete with men.

-          We also did not feel that the separate gender ranking system is necessary and that our current system is sufficient based on the number of highly ranked females on our list that have given us more female than male representation in parliament.

-          We would prefer that our list is gender-balanced through the conscious decisions of our members, which will not happen if this system becomes automated.

Regards,

Jesse Chalmers

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On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:28 PM, Nancy Higgins  wrote:

Begin forwarded message:

From: Nancy Higgins

Subject: Re: [GW] gender remit

Date: 25 March 2013 8:10:47 PM NZDT

To: Danna Glendining

But she still may win the coin toss and be number one on the list, but I get your point that you feel that she should be the ‘number one leader of the Party’ if that is the point.

Nancy

On 25/03/2013, at 2:32 PM, Danna Glendining wrote

I would vote against this remit.

I think quite a few people deliberately voted for Metiria to be No 1 on the List

& would be disappointed to have their wishes overturned by such a rule

 

Danna Glendining

[redacted address information]

_________________________________________

From: Sam Taylor
Sent: Monday, 25 March 2013 8:59 p.m.
To:¬†[email protected]
Subject: [YG] Re: [GW] Fwd: gender remit

Hi Nancy,

I too am opposed to this. I agree with all of the above points. Though I can not speak for the Hamilton branch, we too had instructed our delegates to vote against this.

In terms of gender binary, I don’t think it is a good enough reason to say that the binary being in our society/already reflected in formal Green roles makes it okay to embed it even further into Green systems. You do raise a good point in that perhaps if we look at ourselves critically, we are not as far along the path as what we might hope- however that is certainly no reason to go backwards.

I hope collecting other peoples feedback goes well :)

Kind regards,

Sam

  • maninblack

    pack of cunts.

  • Arnie

    Bring it on, this means they will never get the most suitable persons for the job.

  • LabTested

    half way through reading this I checked my calendar to see if it was April the 1st and you were winding us up

  • LionKing

    What a bunch of wish-full cocksmokers. Seriously if that is the focus of the Green Taliban then this country as no hope. These tree-huggers should fuck off back to the commune on the Coromandel somewhere deep in the bush – never to be seen again… until a mining company comes along and digs a fucking great open cast mine next to their camp.

  • Random66

    What a stupid remit Nancy. Pleased to see others call it for what it is. There is no honour or respect in holding a position that you get by the ‘toss of a coin’ or hold just because you are of a certain sex, regardless of your competency (just ask Hekia). Competition is healthy and the only ones afraid of it are the ones that will be found lacking.

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    No mention of skill nor ability, it’s all about what’s between your legs with the Greens.

  • John.Doe.

    And in breaking news, the remit has been extended to include “given the feral & asexual nature of some green candidates, a toss of the coin shall be used to determine if the candidate is in fact male or female”.

  • tarkwin

    I can’t see the problem, all the women look like men and all the men act like women in the Greens. Either way they’re just a bunch of bludging communist wankers.

  • cows4me

    What fucking insanity, what about the best man for the job, oops sorry woman, oops sorry man, oops sorry woman. Some of these people are mad, quite fucking mad.

  • Auto_Immune

    The Greens have more females than males in Parliament. What problem is this person trying to solve exactly? Or is she secretly hoping for more men in caucus?

    • BJ

      Sounds like selection for primary school sports day teams

  • GregM

    Nothing to see here. When has talent and capability ever been part of the greens selection process.

  • johnbronkhorst

    Sounds like a recipe for a below 5% performance at the next election, so the rest of you on here…shut up and let them get on with it. Stop giving them advice to change it.

  • spollyike

    It’s good news the watermelons are so fucked in the head. Almost as good as the latest Herald poll on Homosexual marriage inequality which shows the people are waking up to the worldwide propaganda that has been foisted on them over the last several years. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10873630. The Majority of NZ’ers do not want the rainbow factions bill to pass, now it’s up to parliament to respect that choice. The silence from 2 popular progressive blogs is deafening so far today.

  • williamabong

    Of course Metiria Turei will oppose it, shes sitting the box seat, female and brown, mind you the jury is still out on the female thing.

  • Phar Lap

    Listen you lot ,you are making us sound like AC/DCs even though it is true,seems most of you lot wouldn’t know if the town c(l)ock was up you. Yours in sisterhood signed WEE FAT FROGGIE.alias Metira Turei.(ex mcgillycuddy serious party, then Marijuna party)moonlighting as a commie greenie,until i get found out that my CV is someone elses.So STFU.

  • Patrick

    The biggst challenge for the commie greens is deciding who/what is male or female. I suggest a cursory glance is insufficient, the males have clearly been neutered, the females are clearly in need of facial hair removal & in most cases both sexes are in need of a long soak in a hot bath.
    I can see why it is suggested to use a coin toss, that is obviously the most expedient method to arrive at a decision as everything to do with the commie greens is just too hard to work out using logic or common sense.
    This mob are batshit crazy & should be avoided & ridiculed at every opportunity.

    • redeye

      Just when I thought I could read a thread without mention of gay fucken marriage.

  • Xavier

    I notice that the tone of the emails remains pleasant, constructive, non-abusive though…which is more than can be said for the comments section here.

    • cows4me

      Xavier you can be sure that if ever these idiots get to govern the tone will not be pleasant, certainly not constructive and everyone and everything will be getting abused.

    • Patrick

      That is what is known as the iron fist in the velvet glove.
      If you look back at the commies in the past they were a bunch of hardliners – they have learnt to soften their message to make themselves electable, sure as night follows day given half a chance we will be turned into the North Korea of the South Pacific if this lot are allowed to run amok in Government

  • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

    Kiwis love Greens bros. They will be elected in huge numbers.

  • Phil

    Meteria could claim either gender spot

    • Patrick

      She probably does in the confines of her bedroom

      • Phil

        You mean Paddock

  • BJ

    Next they’ll be suggesting alternating straight gender binary with LGBT

  • blokeintakapuna

    And this is a prime example of why the left hate Capitalism… Because its a true meritocracy, where those that want to excel and those who try actually do get ahead under their own steam… Where as with Socialism, it’s all about the race to the lowest common denominator.

    No wonder the left hate those that can manage themselves and succeed.

  • http://twitter.com/HarryBStard Harry B’Stard

    All those with hairy arm pits in one column and those with moustaches in the other

    • Mr Sackunkrak

      Problem with that is that most of their wimmin have both.

  • Steve R

    Sorry but I got halfway through this and thought “really” is that all they have to worry about

  • James B

    Green “Taliban.” Seriously? Grow up Cameron.

  • Reese

    This is hardly breaking news. It’s called consensus, which is the Green Party way of discussion and decision making. Is there really nothing more interesting happening in the NZ politics that so many people should even be bothered commenting on this dull e-mail exchange?

    • spollyike

      you are obviously one of the watermelon’s moles aren’t you??

      • Reese

        Just bored with the over-excitable reaction to this kind of shit boring story.

        • spollyike

          fair enough, but it has feminist implications if you are male = relevant insight.

  • Bunswalla

    Why has nobody picked up on the last email in the thread? One of the watermelons, presumably from Hamilton (several large pennies fell into place) thinks that the problem is there are only two choices – male and female. Doesn’t wish to “embed the binary even further into Green systems”.

    Not quite sure what the third option looks like, perhaps Georgina Beyer is going to make a comeback and they weren’t sure which column to put her/him in…

  • Dave

    wasn’t one of them a school teacher at one stage, seems like the same selection criteria a teacher might use for next weeks “show and tell”

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