LEAKED: NZEI industrial action plans

via the tipline

The NZEI is mounting a public campaign for their pay round. Despite media stories to the contrary they are already planning strike action for Term Two.

I have highlighted some of the more concerning aspects to their plans, including the¬†euphemistically¬†described “school based activities”.

Basically though they are opposed to every aspet of government policy, including national standards, charter schools and decisions in Christchurch. They believe it all to be part of a conspiracy they have called “Global Education Reform Movement” or GERM, which they oppose.

To make it clear it appears they are opposed to ANY reforms of education. At least they have put it all inn writing though which was nice of them. 

NZEI Union Action Plan by cameron_slater

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  • johnbronkhorst

    So.. They don’t want to teach the kids how to think, just WHAT to think. In the method they want.

  • Dave

    I call on the Minister of Education (or our wonderful stand in minister Joyce) to:

    1) Ban ANY union propoganda from school grounds, a school needs to be a place of education, not political or unioninst views piercing young and vunerable minds.

    2) Ban the SAME on any school communications including Websites, P&C meetings etc.

    3) Ban the use of school databases for any union or political means, citing privacy concerns.

    4) Ensure Principals and senior staff are WELL aware they are personally liable for spreading FALSE or MISLEADING claims about school policy, or using education as a means to drive their own personal, political or union agendas. LEts institute fines of up to $10K far any / each breach.

    The answer is simple, offer each and every teacher a $10K pay rise, but make it merit based. Bring in a whole team of assessors and there it is teachers and parents, our wonderful and professional teachers can all earn everything they want, but they MUST perform highly to earn it, in the education of YOUR children.

    • StupidDisqus

      Don’t attack the symptoms: attack the cause.

      The answer is simple, offer each and every teacher a $10K pay rise

      Pay open communist more of my fucking money!! You’re not only dreaming, you’re not only a fellow traveller, you must be a commie yourself.

      How about: fire every single damn teacher, forbid them from ever teaching again, put them all on the pedophile register for life. When they strike, send in armed police to gun them down.

      Never, ever negotiate with terrorists or unionists.

    • Mediaan

      Your third point reminds me to say, if car parks and cellphone private use should be subject to FBT, in business, according to recent attempts at law changes, — then so should school copiers, computers, printers, and other school property.

  • PlanetOrphan

    They should have done this In dec 2012.

    Who knows all those “Mums and Dads” looking after the rugrats might even get inspired and start a charter school ….. hahahaha

    Nationals’ policies sound good on the surface, but the implementation ?

    • Teachersrock

      Anyone with half a brain and access to the net can see how awful Nationals ideologically driven attack on NZ education is.

      • PlanetOrphan

        Short sighted, and re-inventing the wheel.

        • Techersrock

          National are not even reinventing anything. They have latched on to the worst disproven aspects of education and are ramming them through here at the expense of kids.

          • johnbronkhorst

            repeating lies doesn’t make them true. Though, you are obviously a student of lenin ( who believed it did).

          • Teachersrock

            You can call the truth lies if you want, but it won’t make the truth go away.

          • cheryl

            To be honest for a person who goes on how great Teachers are your not very good at researching which involves both sides of the story not just the one sided view you decide to cling onto. Isn’t this that has been taught to children when projects requiring research is done… Oh no! I forgot its only doing the bare minimum is OK don’t try and do more than what is required… laughable

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        As opposed to the union ideology?

        • Teachersrock

          Only ideology at work there is what works for kids.

      • greenghost

        and anyone with half a brain can see the best course of action is to remove a child from any classroom you may be teaching in. I pity any child taught by someone as politically bias as you.

  • Roflcopter

    GERM warfare…. I thought we were passed that kinda stuff?

    • Teachersrock

      Sadly no. National wants to put in place the worst kind of failed education thinking from around the world. It is a shame they cannot simply educate themselves on what actually works, as opposed to treating education as their ideological political toy.

  • johnbronkhorst

    To give you insite into how the NZEI think.

    ‚ÄúThe education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother’s care, shall be in state institutions.‚ÄĚ
    ‚Äē Karl Marx
    So be VERY careful how much you hand ,your kids, over to these abusers of actual education, that call themselves teachers!!!

    • StupidDisqus

      from the moment that they can get along without a mother’s care

      So NZEI is more Marxist than Marx: there’s no way kids should be allowed to be “in their mother’s care”. They belong to the state (in practice to the NZEI) from the day they take their first breath.

  • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Petal

    I must have missed the bit where the the process of good faith bargaining on wage negotiations had come to an impasse and that’s why they were left with no choice but to take industrial action.

    • PlanetOrphan

      Novopay ?

      • Dave

        Wake up please PO. The errors in Novapay are less than or at worst on par with errors in payroll sector nationally. The real issue is schools administration of NovaPay, and the teachers award. 99% of employees in the world are on a very simple pay salary system, its called PERFOMRANCE PAY. Not Teachers Turn up Pay.

        • PlanetOrphan

          If they hadn’t paid me for months, I be on the Dole/looking for another job, and dealing with a mortgagee sale.

          Also, everyone rorts the perfomance pay attempts in other countries, only by working together did they sort it out …
          http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/nov09/vol67/num03/The-Problem-with-Performance-Pay.aspx

          • johnbronkhorst

            What bull shit…….they have been paid, just with errors that had to be corrected manually. to repeat

          • PlanetOrphan

            “A backlog of about 19,000 overpayments, underpayments and non-payments is still to be cleared.”

            http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/130837/%27crazy-practices%27-exposed-by-novopay-review

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            No one has gone without pay for months…show me a single person…you might be assured that if it was the case then we would all know who they were…but not a single person has been put forward.

        • Mediaan

          Not true, at least in the business world.

          From what Steven Joyce has said, serious problems exist. I have been on the administration side of businesses paying staff. You do not make errors. If one is reported, there is a very intense look at the situation and a system is put in place so it doesn’t happen again.

          • Dave

            Mediaan. Go read all the other posts, ESPECIALLY the one from Sarrs where Sarrs STATES the school admin was the problem. The reporting of issues is more around admin and a terrible award than the software, there may be issues with the software, but the real issue is the administration of the system at the SCHOOL end.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

        Novopay has nothing to do with their contract

        • PlanetOrphan

          So what would you do if they hadn’t paid you for months ?
          They should’ve instigated the failsafe Datacom contract but didn’t … why?

          • johnbronkhorst

            What bull shit……..they have been paid, just with errors that had to be corrected manually.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz Whaleoil

            Find me someone who hasn’t been paid for months…I’ll show you a liar. You can be certain that such a person if they existed would have been paraded before the media by now.

          • PlanetOrphan

            19000 errors/problems to clear, it’s not like they can go and find another job at a primary/secondary school.

            That’s 19000 paydays affected.

          • StupidDisqus

            But they can. Once you’ve fired all the teachers in the state system, you will find there are thousands of charter schools opening overnight.

          • PlanetOrphan

            Indeed, just think all those solo mums and dads can be “Stay at home Teachers” now different budget, much harder to kick ya off, and the kids will get A’s.

            Sweet M8! ;-))

          • Dumrse

            Fuck you talk a load of shit.

          • PlanetOrphan

            True

          • Teachersrock

            And NZ’s world leading education system will be in ruins.

          • Cadwallader

            “Leading” To Where? With scum teachers running the NZ education system, if indeed it warrants that title, there ‘s only a slippery slope ahead.

          • Techersrock

            Again, if you have kids I hope you are honest to your comments and home-school them yourself.

          • Muffin

            Are you retarded?

          • PlanetOrphan

            Yeah babe, do you want to abuse me ?

          • StupidDisqus

            I’d quit and get another job that actually paid me.

          • PlanetOrphan

            i.e. leave the kids with no teacher and change professions.

          • Teachersrock

            Which shows how unsuited you would be to teach and how little you know about teachers.

        • StupidDisqus

          Except that according to the union, Novopay can fire teachers.

          So that makes a very simple solution: Get Novopay to fire the rest!

    • unsol

      Which means if Hekia can show she has the balls, can take them to court beforehand & make sure the strike is deemed illegal so that they are left with egg on their face:

      Strikes and lockouts

      Collective bargaining: the basic rules

      Under the Employment Relations Act 2000, strikes and lockouts are lawful:

      if they relate to bargaining for a single-party or multi-party collective agreement, and

      if any existing collective agreement has expired, and

      if the parties began bargaining at least 40 days previously, or

      in some other very limited circumstances where part of a collective agreement is illegal and the Employment Court has made an order suspending part of the agreement.

      The only employees who can lawfully strike or be locked out are those who will be bound by the collective agreement being bargained for”

      I would also LOVE to see Hekia use her might as their employer & suspend striking employees without pay

      Edited to add that I am not sure where the above says they will strike per se & at least the marches will be held on a Saturday, but April 5th – planned action all day….hello, how about teaching our fucking kids.

      Bloody annoying I have to say! Hope to God our very learning rather than politically focussed school doesn’t participate.

      • StupidDisqus

        Why the fuck would you fight the unions with industrial relations law designed by the Labour party – i.e. the unions

        First you change the law – banning teaching unions, banning strikes in schools, making politicising of teaching a criminal offence.

        Second, when they strike and protest – send in the STG & ATS, with the intructions don’t fuck up like you did with Iti – leave none alive.

        Problem solved. For ever.

        • unsol

          Stupid aka 2nd Amendment you live in la la land.

          If you have any ounce of common sense you would know that not only are your ideas ludicrous, but they would never be palatable to the masses in a million years.

          So you take the realistic options with what we have now not stupid vigilante crap like blowing their brains out.

          Honestly. Grow up.

          • StupidDisqus

            Now, dear unsol, go and read the wikipedia entry I posted above.

            What did Reagan do to the Air Traffic Controllers

            What did Scott Walker do to teachers unions in Wisconsin last year

            What did Sid Holland do to the watersides?

            What did Massey do to the miners?

            There is ample precedent – in New Zealand for sending in the cops to gun down strikers. Everything I’m talking about has been done before and can be done again. It’s your ideas – presumably “negotiating” with economic terrorists, using laws written by those terrorists.

            I can’t help it if you attend state schools, and consequently are ignorant about the real history of unionism in NZ. Always supported by the various Communist parties in NZ, and having to be smashed every 30-50 years by gunning down a striker or to (or occasionally running ‘em over). Face it: the time is ripe, again!

          • Mediaan

            You can’t gun down strikers when you are police. A proportion of them will be undercover police or undercover SIS.

            During cointelpro, in the USA, a domestic surveillance operation, the FBI made this clear.

            A senior FBI man was quoted as saying, “Any protest or alternative group, we will have our people in there. Not just in there, but actually the Captain and the Coach of the team.”

          • StupidDisqus

            If you had attended an actual school that taught New Zealand’s actual history, you would know that Massey sent armed police in to deal with the miners in 1912, and that Sid Holland marshalled special constables against watersiders in 1951 – in fact a National State of Emergency was declared, and that picketing unionist was killed as recently as 1999.

            There’s nothing I advocate in dealing with unions that has not be tried and proven effective in New Zealand.

          • Mediaan

            Your words were, “leave none alive”. This was the best way of dealing with the strike or protest, you said. See your post above that starts, “why the fuck would you…” Send in the STG or ADS, you said, but don’t make the mistake you made with Iti.

            Precedent? Precedent in NZ…?

            Rubbish. You are trying to razz up impressionable younger people and make them break laws.

            You encourage people to say things that are silly aggressive echoes of what you said. You then slip sideways and deny saying it.

            Yes, I did recognise those later historical facts when you put them forward the first time. Sid Holland also made it a crime to make any gifts of food to families of striking miners. The union was paying them a small weekly sum, but the money was running out fast. People risked a lot for wrapping a few scones in a tea-towel and making a gift of them to a neighbour, if their husband was on strike.

          • unsol

            Well said, nice rebuttal.

          • Mediaan

            People who are parents – as you seem to be – should not use the term “our fucking kids”. The children are listening, the children need parental standards of respect for others set by you, and the children need a supportive environment. These are the only years you have to teach them these things.

          • unsol

            In your attempt to assume some kind of parental role in my life you failed to pick up on the obvious contradiction in your point: children should not be reading this blog – any good parent would ensure that any blog that regularly uses such words as cunts, talks about child molestation rape or has people like stupid commentating who advocated blowing people up just because they don’t share their, is kept well off limits.

            Further swearing is another adult privilege just like drinking alcohol or earning the funds to purchase & drive a car.

            Our child understands that they are a child, not an adult so if they hear us swear – which would be rare – then they know that they are hearing words they cannot repeat. Just the same as if they see us drink alcohol they know they cannot have a sip (btw, this is a new trend – apparently some parents seem to be allowing their littlies to have sips of their beer & wine). This is called setting boundaries.

          • Mediaan

            Don’t change the subject. You would, by using “how about teaching our fucking kids” to describe your own children and those in their school, develop that kind of attitude in other ways. It is dangerous.

      • Peej

        A very learning rather than politically focussed school is not possible, it does not exist.

        • unsol

          It has at our state school – they join in some battles but keep it off the curriculum radar…until last week when they attended a paid union meeting.

    • StupidDisqus

      Fuck “good faith” – good faith bargaining is communism, forcing employers to do what their employees want.

      There should only be one employment law: Kein Arbeit, Kein Essen!

      • Teachersrock

        You sir are an idiot.

        • Bunswalla

          You’re both idiots

          • Techersrock

            So you are saying people who think employees have rights, and employers do not get to treat workers like shit are idiots…. interesting.

          • StupidDisqus

            I prefer the phrase “seditious economic terrorist” rather than idiot – as I generally do not advocate a civil duty of liquidating mere idiots.

          • Teachersrock

            Urgh you are disgusting.

    • Muffin

      They are just skipping a step, really when did they ever bargin in good faith

    • blokeintakapuna

      … Then because you’re so frustrated, not only do you bite the hand that feeds you whilst you’re not doing what you’re being paid to do, you then urinate on things… Like BBQ’s and stuff…

    • Techersrock

      Wage negotiations make up a small part of this. NZEI have told members, and members agree that this is not the climate to ask for any increase that would truly reflect what teachers deserve.

      One of the main sticking points is developing career pathways for teachers. The Government has agreed in the past to develop them, but are dragging their feet. And industrial action is not a done deal either. NZEI have zero desire to go down that path. But given the arrogant and at times hostile attitude of the MoE negation team the Government may force union hands. As it was the Government was not going to meet NZEI again till April, then as the PUMs began suddenly they were keen to meet. Amazing what can happen when you show the government you are willing to fight back.

      So if you want someone to blame for this, blame the MoE neg. team. They are the ones who are refusing to engage in good faith, and they are the ones causing the mess.

      • Mediaan

        “Developing career pathways for teachers…”
        That’s code for “ensure teachers cannot be got rid of, even if useless and selfish”. Which, it appears, many are.

        • Techersrock

          As usual, wrong.

          It is about develop a pathway to leadership for those teachers who do not want to go into the management side of teaching.

          Do you have kids? Do you home school them given how much you hate teachers?

      • Dave

        Really Kosh. Career Pathways, lets look at it this way. I remind you Meg, we have had this convo previously. Teachers already have an Amazing career path. It’s called JUST TURNING UP. However, for the ambitious teachers, it’s called studying the requirements of the job, Yunno, EDUCATING young minds in the Curriculum. Then they can do extra studies to become Head Of Dept, Junior/senior school leader or Head Teacher (science or whatever). After that, possibly deputy Principal, Principal, cluster leader, or a move into the MOE looking after one of numerous Curriculum portfolios.

        But wait TeachersCock, it’s also about PERFORMING, getting the right performance based reviews, educating your students, helping them to grow. It’s not about JUST TURNING UP.

        There you go, a career path, right in front of you Paul, now go study and we look forward to hearing how you go for that promotion. PS: remember each Promotion carries a higher grading and higher remuneration.

      • StupidDisqus

        career pathways for teachers

        Hint: out of ex-state schools (either closed down or convered to union-free charters) and in to the gutter

        That’s my idea of a career “pathway”

        • Teachersrock

          Yes but you are a troll so thus any suggestion you make can be ignored as tripe.

  • BJ

    The union perpetrators don’t ‘believe’ there is a conspiracy – they are trying to manufacture one and intend for their emotive slogan of Fight the GERM to justify their aggressive action. Suggesting NovoPay issues – which are costing us millions – are intentional, is pure evil.

    I call on the MInister of Education to deal to the real PEST (Planned Educators Stopwork Troublemakers)

    • unsol

      GERMS vs. the PESTS. Love it!

    • StupidDisqus

      PEST = Planned Education Socialist Terrorists

  • StupidDisqus

    Fuck attacking the symptoms: attack the cause. Do what Ronald Reagan did to the air traffic controllers. Pass a law, under urgency, tonight:

    – banning NZEI. PPTA & any other education unions.

    – banning any and all unionists or ex-unionsist from 1km near any school – in perpetuity

    – banning any and all unionists or ex-unionists from any employment ever in the state sector, or ever receiving any benefits (incl super) or any union or education ministry super scheme payouts, or KiwiSaver.

    – transforming every non-charter state school into a private company owned by the BOT.

    • StupidDisqus

      And before you think I’m going over the top – look here -http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional_Air_Traffic_Controllers_Organization_(1968)

      Reagan fired every striker; banned them from federal service for life; made them ineligible to receive any pensions or health benefits; and deregistered their union.

      None of the strikers were ever rehired as Air Traffic Controllers in the US (or indeed in any other job) . Raegan also made clear to other countries (notably the UK & Canada) that their airlines would be prevented from flying to the US should they hire any of the striking controllers.

      These bans remained in force for over ten years, until Clinton removed them: but at that time, the remaining controllers certifications had long since lapsed. I guess some of ‘em took other federal jobs (more’s the pity). Bush II planned to reinstate the ban, but 9/11 got in the way.

    • Peej

      I like the irony where the “commie,” “Marxist” teachers are lambasted by contributers who find those ideas repugnant, but want to use Leninist tactics!

      • StupidDisqus

        I don’t want to us Lenninist tactics: I want to use Stalinst tactics.

        Another scion of the state education system no doubt.

  • Teachersrock

    I see the crazy nutters are going off on a very poorly informed teacher bashing bullshit dribble fest again.

    Ahhh how amusing.

    • blokeintakapuna

      Ladies and gentlemen… It’s troll time.
      On ya marks… Get set…

    • Dave

      I wondered when you would enter the debate Gayguy/kosh/Meg/TeachersCock, god knows if you cant make up your own mind who you actually are, how the hell can you teach our children Paul??

    • johnbronkhorst

      I’ve been around teachers. I find!!
      That they have a list of things to blame when the results are below par.
      1.It’s the kids fault.
      2. It’s the parents fault.
      3. it’s the govt.s fault.
      4. It’s the cariculum’s fault.
      But…It’s NEVER the teachers fault!!!
      I refer you to a very smart man who once said.
      “There are no bad students, only bad teachers”.
      Confuscious…I believe.

      • Teachersrock

        LMAO, I’ve been around teachers….so I guess you are a world expert then just as everyone on the right who went to Kindy knows everything about the education sector.

        Ahhhh what a joke.

        • johnbronkhorst

          No you are the joke!! You prove our point!!! Teachers have been in control of the schools for years and look at the mess, kids that can barely read (and I don’t mean the ones the govt. is referring to) I mean the ones that actually pass. Their maths is poor too. All things fuck wits like you claim to have taught them!! I have seen many of them, disappointed that they didn’t get the job I interviewed them for. Semi literate fools that could barely add two numbers together but had NCEA level 2.

          • Teachersrock

            Yes, one of the most successful education systems in the world, a world leading national curriculum driven by actual best research based evidence.

            Teachers are just plain evil. I hope you are not so 2 faced and that you home-schooled your kids yourself to save them from evil teachers.

          • Mediaan

            Evidence of this education system superiority? You keep making up this stuff. And, puh-lease, don’t quote political factions who want kids dumber. Like parts of the UN.

          • johnbronkhorst

            If the system is so good, I ask myself. Why can’t these kids, that have been told they have PASSED (as far as the testing goes, within the system) , cope outside it (ie read and write to ANY great degree).
            Take a simple example. In the 70’s a road worker say, with NO qualifications, could and would read the news paper, every day, and understand it. Many NCEA qualified kids today, can’t.

          • Techersrock

            I take it you are one of the uneducated right winger nutters who ignore international reports.

            Good to know for the future.

      • P1LL

        Have you ever been into a school that has a majority of fucktard rebellious students ? They are not there to learn , all they want to do is fight , take drugs , have sex and try to look cool by attacking teachers. I have had dealings with a few schools up here in the North that have made me very scared , walking onto the grounds as a white man is frightening . God knows how anyone can learn in that environment.

        • johnbronkhorst

          Just proved by point!!! Never the teachers fault Bull shit!! I’ve seen pratts like you. Last to arrive at work and sprinting to be first to leave!!!

          • P1LL

            I am not a teacher you dumb ass.
            I have/ had children attending some of these schools , I also used to be a computer technician that had to repair computers that these fucktards ruined . Paperclips in the power supplies , stolen RAM / video cards / wireless cards etc etc

          • johnbronkhorst

            Still proves my point…you are too stupid to understand that this thread, these stop work meeting, this challenge to their EMPLOYER,(that wouldn’t and doesn’t happen in any other profession) is about the TEACHERS not the students/ kids. The teachers are supposed to be the grown ups in all this, they are the ones supposed to be imparting their knowledge to the kids, not blaming the kids for their own inadequacies.

          • P1LL

            NO , you are too stupid to understand.
            Walk around Tikipunga High school , Bay of Islands collage or even most intermediate & primary schools up here and see what scum these teachers have to put up with.
            I guess that you live in a decile 7+ area

          • StupidDisqus

            I guess that you live in a decile 7+ area

            We love our children. We don’t send them to state schools. We have no fucking idea what “decile” our “area” is.

        • Mediaan

          The teachers choose the work. They want it so much, they try very hard to be impossible to get rid of. There is good training out there if they want it.

          Some schools with good leadership triumph over rotten past conditions, and transform the student body to where you wouldn’t recognise it.

          Behaviour is what psychologists call “situation specific”. That means, a kid who behaves one way in one setting can learn to behave another way in another setting.

        • StupidDisqus

          Cops. (and real right-wing teachers!). Glocks. Problem Solved.

      • Peej

        Kids have left school barely literate through the ages, it’s not a recent thing.. The grammatical accuracy of your various rants proves that. All semi literate fools aren’t missing out at job interviews with you – many appear on here raving about slack standards.

        • johnbronkhorst

          fool Not the ones who fail in the system, I’m talking about the ones TEACHERS say actually passed!!!

    • Dumrse

      Welcome back. Suggest you talk to Stupid Disqus to see what you have been missing out on.

      • Teachersrock

        Oh I have seen his nonsense before. It is all jumped up far right nut job garbage. Same ol’ same ol from him.

    • Peej

      Especially amusing is someone making a conscious effort to confuse us by trying to write Confucius.

      • Mediaan

        Confucius has no set correct spelling. It derives from the name of a Chinese philosopher, meaning K’ung The Master, and started out in Chinese.

        If you want examples of misspelling, try Teachersrock posts, or the earlier ones from Kosh. His posts are larded with strange spelling.

        Not that it matters – it’s the thought being expressed that matters. In adult discourse, anyway.

        • johnbronkhorst

          I was about to say exactly that!..Thank you.

        • johnbronkhorst

          Another teacher that can’t speak with any subject knowledge and yet thinks teacher rock???Go figure.

  • Steve R

    Don’t forget this is the most cashed up union in the country. And like all lefties they work in half truths and forgetfulness of all facts
    As has been pointed out on this site before , at its worse novapay had a error rate of 2 percent. It’s currently at just over /under 1 percent. 19000 errors over all these months isint that high when the system has 85000 people to pay each pay round.
    As for teaching standards Listen to what Ben Carson said about the teaching standards in the USA today If charter schools will keep us from being that bad ( how can it not ) then that’s got to be good
    Just one more rant . If the education board went to business leaders and employers and asked what they expected from school leavers in both attitude to work and education just think what a great nation we would have in ten -twenty years time.

    • StupidDisqus

      If the education board went to business leaders and employers

      The “education board” would kill themselves.

  • GregM

    I support the teachers in general, mostly they are great people that do a good job. What I don’t support is unionists using my daughter as a pawn in their fucked up power games.
    I will not tolerate her being used in any protest action, she is at school to learn the curriculum, not union bullshit.

    What has novopay, which is no worse than datacom, got to do with the collective?
    When has an employee said before the next round of good faith bargaining has even begun that they are going to strike, in other words they are going to strike whatever the outcome?
    Stupid discus has got a few ticks from me today, unions should be kept as far away from our kids as possible, and I also think there is an argument for banning unions and other lobby groups from our schools.

    • StupidDisqus

      support the teachers in general, mostly they are great people that do a good job.

      Private & partnership school teachers – sure.

      but all state school teachers are Marxist unionists whose only aim is increasing communism in NZ

      • Teachersrock

        You really are a clueless troll.

        If you have kids you better homeschool, otherwise your just another far right nutter.

  • Sarrs

    Without giving away too many details…I had my first client in today to discuss Novopay issues. Every single thing that went wrong with their pay could be attributed to the school’s own recording of information and not the Novopay system. This could just be unique to this one individual or it could be a systemic issue, I don’t know. But the school and their administrators were entirely at fault.

    • Dave

      Thank you Sarrs, I always believed the software was not the main issue. I hope everyone reads your post.

    • Mediaan

      Thank you from me too, Sarrs. It’s clear the students leaving these schools often can barely write, calculate or spell. We know that 20% of them are functionally illiterate when they enter the workforce.

      It makes sense therefore that the standards of clerical work in the school’s communities would be poor, too.

      It’s not just Unions. We have a few more problems to solve in the silly employment law set up by the Clarxists, too. And the Employment Court. Employers have a right to expect a helpful, co-operative worker who does their job properly.

      • StupidDisqus

        And 80-90% of them will never ever pay any nett tax.

        No representation without taxation – so not one vote for any state school teacter! – would go a long way to fixing everything that’s wrong with NZ.

        • Mediaan

          Most would pay GST though, and parts of the excise taxes.

    • spollyike

      Great to hear a first hand perspective, tell us more….pretty please.

      • Sarrs

        Like I said, I can’t say much more. Only that the information recorded by the school was a total cluster fuck. One of the worst cock ups of payroll recording that I have seen. So bad I couldn’t believe it was accidental.

        • spollyike

          As i expected. The unionites are fucking things up to make it look like the government has fucked up. Correct???

          • Sarrs

            I’ve only seen the one case so it’s not really possible to make that sort of call. I despise the teacher’s unions but would they go that far to make the government look bad? I don’t know. I hope to god they wouldn’t, I really do.

          • StupidDisqus

            Of course they would. Look at the mess around National Standards.

            Why else would they bring up Novopay in what were supposed to be stopwork meetings for good-faith bargaining? As soon as Novopay f**ked up, the Unions & Labour have been working together to take down the elected govt of NZ.

          • Teachersrock

            Boy your head is going to fall off when the elected Government of NZ is a left wing one.

    • StupidDisqus

      The problems all stem from the NZEI & PPTA massively complex awards.

      get rid of the unions and you get rid of Novopay problems.

      • Mediaan

        Good point about the pay awards being very complex. Not helpful and not necessary. And, as you say, entirely the fault of the unions.

  • cheryl

    I am so sick of unions trying to make more money by striking. The bottom line is they are not in it for the children they are just in it for themselves. Paid union meetings that can only be done during school hours (why not do it during your holidays I mean is 12 weeks not enough), strikes, pushing your stupid ideas onto the children and trying to get them to strike on your behalf, wake up this only pushes parents to want a stable environment that is not up in the air and making you wonder when you need to arrange to take time off because the Unions have a bug bear roll in CharterPartnership schools I say the sooner the better

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