Charter Schools on track, the left will be upset

John Banks was interviewed on Q+A about charter schools. It seems they are on track:

Act Party leader John Banks says there won’t be any changes to legislation around the controversial partnership schools despite opposition parties continuing their objections to elements of the bill such as allowing unqualified teachers.

The Education Amendment Bill, which would establish charter schools, known as partnership schools, was expected to pass in Parliament with the support of National, Act and the Maori Party.

Mr Banks told TVNZ’s¬†Q+A¬†programme today it was not insignificant the Maori Party would want to support the bill.

“Because every second young Maori leaves school after 12 years of schooling without NCEA level 2, no numeracy or literacy.”

He said the Maori Party had not asked for any changes to the bill in exchange for their support of it. 

Mr Banks said there had been interest from iwi, church groups, industry-based groups and existing schools in the partnership school programme.

“This is going to be a paradigm shift for some of our poorest families in this country – particularly Maori and Pacifica.”

There would initially be just a handful of partnership schools, but that number would increase to 50 or 60 across the country in ten years time, Mr Banks said.

He could not say where the first of the schools would be set up, but legislation stopped them from “cherry-picking” the best students.

Labour are opposed to better outcomes and have said they would close down all charter schools, irrespective of whether or not parents are getting great vaue for their children from them.

  • LesleyNZ

    No way would I send a child of mine to a public school where old fashioned phonics reading is not taught, where proper history is not taught, where students are taught that they have rights and are the most important human beings ever to walk on this earth, where they are indoctrinated about man-made global warming, evolution and where sex education is taught at a young age by those who do not have the morals and values that the parents have. Bring on Charter Schools so that parents have a choice to send their child to a school which suits them best.

    • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

      But be aware Sheep will close these schools in 2014 when he assumes power.

      • Gazzaw

        Shearer and his partner in crime, Russel Norman are going to be busy boys renationalising partially privately owned property. Sounds like Stalinesque stuff from the 30s.

        • LesleyNZ

          Where is Gayguy – he has disappeared…………..

      • LesleyNZ

        He wouldn’t dare!

        • Teachersrock

          Labour have made it clear CS’s will become state schools, or subject to all the rules state schools must follow.

    • Teachersrock

      Clearly you have no idea what goes on in a public school given those amazingly ignorant comments.

      • johnbronkhorst

        but we do!!! That’s why we ALL want change and choice!!!

        • Teachersrock

          No you do not. Especially if you believe in the nonsense Lesley stated.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Is the yes we do no we don’t …..of a 5 year old the only argument you have (we know it is), just proves what we believe!!!

          • Teachersrock

            Umm wrong. The fact being that what Lesley said is quite factually incorrect. That is the position I am taking. And my position is based on fact, as opposed to right wing made up nonsense.

            Phonics is taught in NZ schools, along with a range of other skills. Global warming is almost never touched on in Primary and Intermediate but we do teach that our actions impact on the environment. Something that is fact BTW. Oh and evolution is also scientific fact too, and is taught in science. As for sex ed, that is not done until Year 9-11. Sexuality education, where we teach puberty is done, at around Year 7-8. Body parts are taught in year one and two, and generally as part of the Keeping Ourselves Safe program. You know, the one the Police designed. They have found if kids know the names of their body parts sexual abuse is found out a lot more.

            It is facts like this that make Lesely’s post a joke.

      • LesleyNZ

        You mean you wish I didn’t know what goes on in a public school. Defending your job is a normal reaction. Not all teacher’s rock.

        • Teachersrock

          No, from what you said, you have zero idea what actually goes on in the average kiwi class. You spouted right wing paranoid lies. Not facts.

          • johnbronkhorst

            I have worked in a few (not a teacher) and I know how incompetent and LAZY some teachers can be!!!

          • Teachersrock

            Ahhh that old chestnut. Some are bad so all must be bad. Yep. Heard that one from National before.

          • johnbronkhorst

            NO only dorks like you try to put words in my mouth!!! I said SOME…..it is you and the unions that make generalisations and say NONE and accuse any criticisers of lying.

          • Chad Chambers

            Don’t speak to your teacher like that, sonny.

          • Teachersrock

            No words need to be put in your mouth. Your meaning is plain.

      • Dion

        Why don’t you actually debate the issue by stating some facts rather than spouting invective like that?

        If you don’t like the ideas expressed on a right wing blog, then don’t read a right wing blog.

        • Teachersrock

          See my post above. Choc full of facts, and showing Les to be rather poorly informed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Greg-Davis/624235869 Greg Davis

      “evolution”
      What’s wrong with evolution? It’s obvious we evolved. Nutter.

      • LesleyNZ

        Well I think you might have but I didn’t. Are you still evolving?

        • LabTested

          Lesley. with all due respect, i think you have shot yourself in the foot with that comment

          • LesleyNZ

            Why?

          • Chad Chambers

            Respect? I’m not sure the paranoid, religious right deserves respect. They are a fringe community.

        • Teachersrock

          Seriously? Next you will tell me Earth is only 6000 years old.

  • JC

    What I’m looking forward to (and quietly talking about) is what will the Govt do and what will the teachers say when a rich iwi says it wants to lease the school in their area and run it as a charter?

    JC

    • Teachersrock

      More interesting will be when Destiny opens its schools and teach that evolution is wrong and God demands we give all our money to Bishop Brian.

      • Gazzaw

        In other words no different to most existing religious state-integrated schools.

        • Teachersrock

          Actually there are rules that current religious state schools must follow. Charter Schools is open season for any nutjobs. The damage that these schools can do long term is disgusting.

          Thankfully they will be closed down, made follow Education rules once Labour return to power next year.

          • Gazzaw

            By the time the legal challenges are done with including those from Maori, any greens/labour government will be well and truly consigned to the ashes of NZ political history.

          • Ronnie Chow

            “The damage that these schools can do long term is disgusting.”

            Last I saw , kids go to Temples , Churches and Mosques across the country on a weekly basis , as well as living with their parents who are firm believers in the faith .

            Your comment would indicate that living with Religious parents is also disgusting . I think YOU are the reason we need Charter Schools .

          • LesleyNZ

            Well said Ronnie!

          • Teachersrock

            Actually I was referring to Destiny. Which I specifically stated.

            Open your eyes, your ideology is clouding your… well I would say judgement but I am guessing you are a National voter.

          • Sponge

            Your infantile comment above shows that you have no judgement. Has it ever occurred to you that someone with an opposing view might just be correct?

          • Teachersrock

            Yes. The overseas evidence however proves the supporters of CS’s are wrong.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Only if you use the VERY selective examination process used by the teachers union!!! The overseas evidence is that….CS’s are at least as good as public schools and their quality depends on their CHARTER…,which in turn depends on the REGULATIONS that their charter operates under….DICK HEAD!!!!!

          • Teachersrock

            Tut tut.

            Telling lies will get you no where.

          • Ronnie Chow

            “Actually I was referring to Destiny. Which I specifically stated ”

            You stated “Charter Schools is (should be ‘are’) open season for any nutjobs. The damage that these schools can do long term is disgusting. ‘

            Meaning only Destiny ?. Not what you wrote , you failure of a teacher . I wouldn’t want you teaching anyone above Primer 1 .

          • Teachersrock

            Oh there are plenty of nut jobs out there who can do amazing damage because CS’s will allow it.

            And the fact you are using words like primer indicates how out of step with the times you are.

          • LesleyNZ

            What damage? Concrete proof please.
            Just shows how much you know about integrated religious type schools. I know about them.
            They will not be closed down. Power to the parents not the State.

          • Teachersrock

            Having worked in religious schools, I think I know what happens in them.

            Power to the parents would be nice, but National do not believe in that.

          • LesleyNZ

            No good saying what you think. You sound like Gayguy. He never did find the gay gene proof.

          • Teachersrock

            Given you do not believe in evolution, I cannot take any comment you make on science without laughing then dismissing it.

          • LesleyNZ

            So do you say this to your school children when they bring up the subject of evolution and creation. If you believe in evolution then you must believe that evolution is still happening – what will humans evolve into next?

          • Teachersrock

            Evolution is taught in science. It is a scientific fact. Are you suggesting we lie to kids about science because it goes against Orthodox religious teachings?

            As for what we will become next, God only knows.

          • LesleyNZ

            Scientific fact? You mean you teach evolution as a fact not a theory? No way would I want you teaching my kids. You can teach evolution – but do not teach evolution as fact. It is not. Creationism should also be taught .
            God does know.

          • Teachersrock

            Creationism is religious belief. Not fact. You require faith to believe otherwise it isn’t religion.

            Given you do not accept scientific facts you will have to forgive me if I think you are a tad silly.

          • LesleyNZ

            Not true. Some scientists are acknowledging a “God” particle. You either believe nothing created something out of nothing or you believe something created something out of nothing.
            http://ca.news.yahoo.com/video/god-particle-dummies-082100040.html

          • Teachersrock

            You do understand that they are calling it that not because they they believe it has anything to do with a God… right?

            If you look to science to prove God, then you are sillier that I thought.

          • LesleyNZ

            Yes I know – however they are not acknowledging that it is evolutionary.

          • LesleyNZ

            Yes I know – however they are not acknowledging that it is evolutionary.

          • LesleyNZ

            And “sillier” is merely your opinion. Time will tell who is the sillier.

          • johnbronkhorst

            I believe in evolution.
            But it worries me when idiots like you talk about scientific FACTS. They are theories only corroborated , until DISPROVED. eg…The scientific theory (as they thought FACT), until Magelan , was that the earth was flat!!!

          • Teachersrock

            Rather sure we can consider evolution fact given all the corroboration. And I am sure that your ideology does not colour your responses.

          • Bafacu

            If God only knows what we will become next, does that imply that you believe in creation?? Very confusing!

          • Teachersrock

            It is very easy to confuse fools.

      • JC

        Who cares if he improves the numbers getting NCEA 2.

        JC

        • Gazzaw

          Only those who put politiical dogma before education JC.

          • JC

            I remember when Mormonism swept through some Maori communities back in the 60s.. everyone thought the religion was weird but then farmers and some foresters saw non drinking, non smoking and non swearing Maori shearing gangs turn up and those jokers could work (and negotiate :)) and were a pleasure to have around.

            Same with Muslim gangs that hit the orchards a few years ago.. very reliable.

            So religions however weird don’t faze me so long as they produce a better or at least a more useful human and I always like to remind myself that Socialism, Unionism and Statism have many of the trappings of Calvinism.

            JC

          • johnbronkhorst

            Yes funny how Marx has almost religious status among the believers.
            When Marx himself was so scornful of religion!

      • LesleyNZ

        Who said evolution is right? God does not demand money.

        • Teachersrock

          Bishop Brian does.

          And did you just deny evolution??

          • LesleyNZ

            Of course. Evolution is a lie. I don’t particularly warm to the Bishop Brian way. I prefer the way like in the Bible story of the widow’s offering http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+12%3A41-44&version=NIV
            Mark 12:41-44 РThe Widow’s Offering
            41 Jesus sat down opposite the place where the offerings were put and watched the crowd putting their money into the temple treasury. Many rich people threw in large amounts. 42 But a poor widow came and put in two very small copper coins, worth only a few cents.
            43 Calling his disciples to him, Jesus said, ‚ÄúTruly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others. 44 They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything‚ÄĒall she had to live on.‚ÄĚ

          • Teachersrock

            At least we agree on old Bish Bri.

            But seriously??? Evolution is a lie???? How do you come to that position And please I hope it is better than there are still monkeys around.

  • Teachersrock

    Seems a total waste of money given Labour will stop CS’s once in power and halt the damage.

    • Gazzaw

      It will be the same scenario as nationalising the power companies. By the time the necessary legislation passes the greens/labour/mana/nzfirst coalition will have been arseholed so effectively you have a fait accompli on your hands. That is of course in the very unlikely event that the public will vote for the coalition from hell.

      • Teachersrock

        Given it will be a 2 party Government, less than the number ruling now, your comments are a little on the nonsense scaremongering side.

        Also, Labour can use urgency to move the required changes through the house with lightening speed and undo the damage before it becomes too great.

        • Gazzaw

          How do you figure the two party government then TR?

        • LesleyNZ

          What’s the other party?

        • LabTested

          So Labour will ensure that all parents with kids in Charter Schools, or parents who want choice for their kids, will vote National?

          • Teachersrock

            Parents who care about their kids education will vote for the left, not the right.

          • LesleyNZ

            Are you teaching children?

          • Sponge

            Utter bullshit. Parents who are intelligent will be voting centre right. I don’t want to leave a country for my kids that has been defiled/destroyed by a green labour coalition.

          • Teachersrock

            I hope you will still love your children if they grow up to be lefties.

          • Gazzaw

            Too late for sarcasm TR. You’re wasting your time with your comments – they’ve fallen on deaf ears. We’ve all gone to bed, some of us have to work tomorrow. This thread is dead.

            Over & out.

          • Teachersrock

            Yes I know the truth and facts fall on deaf ears when it comes to talking about education on this site. But still. lies like the ones told in this thread by the likes of Lesley need to be shown for the nonsense they are.

            And as for everyone in bed… not true. Lesley seems to be having a ball down voting my posts.

          • LesleyNZ

            I can see already – Sponge’s children will not grow up to be lefties.

          • Teachersrock

            You mean like strict religious parents can already tell their children will never be gay?

            That is a bit scary Les.

          • LesleyNZ

            Gay guy – No it is not – my kids would NEVER vote left – they know better.

          • Teachersrock

            Goodness…. they know better. Rather ominous sounding. Pity your poor kids.

          • LesleyNZ

            They’re great kids – all grown up now and on the right track.

          • Teachersrock

            And they do as they are told.

        • Bunswalla

          I guess you mean fewer parties rather than less parties. Fucking teachers, you’d think they’d have a basic grasp of grammar.

        • Phill

          Like they did with the electoral laws when they goy caught breaking the rules. Thanks for reminding us how Labour has one set of rules when in Govt and a totaly different set when in opposition. Wankers!
          If National did anything under urgency you would be the 1st to cry foul!

          • Teachersrock

            Ummm National broke the record for pushing things through under urgency. How short your memory is.

    • LesleyNZ

      Are you “in the know” in the Labour Party? You seem very confident. Labour has to win the election. Not going too well at present.

      • Teachersrock

        Given you and your lot focus on one party, as opposed the new reality, that is just one reason (and by no means the largest) National will be out after 2014.

  • amys

    http://www.isreview.org/issues/62/feat-charterschools.shtml
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/15/us-usa-charters-admissions-idUSBRE91E0HF20130215
    I suggest we all should “get educated” about how charter schools have fared overseas before you start hurling the proverbial political manure about whether you would send your child to a charter or public school – whether you are a socialist or captalist, kids educational needs should be addressed first and foremost… not the pockets of the opportunists.

  • Big-Inja

    Charter schools are a good idea – If regulated and managed well, kids would really benefit e.g. more performing arts schools, vocational schools for kids they are not academic, religion/ culture based schools for parent’s that want to send their kids their (funnily enough – these schools tend to have the longest waiting lists).

    Would’ve like to see a NZ pilot project first. I hate making decisions based on US and European initiatives.

    • LesleyNZ

      Look at the Corelli School in Browns Bay. It is an example of what a Charter School could be like. Very successful. http://www.corelli.school.nz/

    • Teachersrock

      There will be next to no controls over CS’s National will let them do as they please. It will be a disaster.

      • Big-Inja

        Not sure this is entirely a bad thing. Sure there will be crap schools…like there are now. But there will also be really good schools, who fee they are constrained by the current education system. At the end of the day…if the school is crap, it will come out in the wash and like any business, will fail.

  • AMM1812

    Are we forgetting where this matters the most – our childrens’ education and a life of continued learning. We argue terminology when we should be arguing accountability. I agree that the opportunists need to be stood on. We are on the verge of placing our kids in boxes so that we don’t have to address any underlying issues. We once had an education system that lead the world in literacy – we set the pace – what happened? We have become a nation of followers in regard to this as opposed to what we used to be leaders and innovators. We fail to confront things due to the possibility of conflict – grow a pair – let your kids climb a tree and play bull rush – instead of face booking things with irrelevant bullshit and anonymity.
    I don’t want to be as ignorant as to say old school is good school – but it does seem that we are simply finding fanciful ways of spending money to put the basics back into education – ie. numeracy, literacy, risk taking, smaller class numbers, discipline, manners, respect

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