Pakeha Don’t Get Koha

Here’s the most untrusted person in New Zealand… telling us Pakeha don’t ‘get’ koha…

Mana Party leader Hone Harawira is standing behind his party’s by-election candidate saying Pakeha don’t understand koha if they have a problem with him keeping the $12,000 raised for his surgery.

Mana’s Ikaroa-Rawhiti candidate, Te Hamua Nikora, raised the money for an operation on a brain tumour but the Auckland District Health Board decided to do it free of charge.

Nikora gave back some of the more than $30,000 raised, but said people would not take back the final $12,000. 

Harawira defended Nikora’s position this morning, saying it was about koha – gift.

“I’m not saying Pakeha don’t understand generosity at all, I mean Pakeha can be as generous as any other. There seems to be a clear disconnect though in the way in which we understand koha.”

We understand it perfectly.

Koha is the maori word for extortion, payment for some sort of pretend cultural service, extorted by making pakeha feel guilty about a perceived grievance

or wrong from the past.

  • johnbronkhorst

    “Harawira defended Nikora’s position this morning, saying it was about koha – gift.”
    So, hone misunderstands the English word GIFT…it doesn’t mean (or not in any thesaurus I have seen) FRAUD!

  • Donovan Jackson

    Actually I’m inclined to agree we don’t get koha. Instead, we work for our comforts.

    • Rangi

      Catholic charities would disagree…

      • Donovan Jackson

        Now those sound like reputable institutions.

  • mike

    How about they show some compassion and give a “koha” of $12000 to Kids Can? That would feed a lot of hungry kids…

    • Michael

      exactly! Koha the Koha.

      • johnbronkhorst

        AAHH and there in lies the dilemma ….He can’t hold true to his beliefs…………….”What’s yours is mine and what’s mine is me own!”

      • Dave

        Probably not in keeping with maori customs and tradition.

        • Mr_Blobby

          What exactly are Maori customs and traditions they seem to change to suit the situation.

          • Dave

            Anything involving assets, Koha and cash for them. as WO stated I.W.I.

            OH, forgot the other custom, dancing round half naked to frighten pakeha into being nice and giving Koha.

    • Mr_Blobby

      No feeding the kids is our responsibility. Because we encouraged them to have children that they don’t want to look after.

  • williamabong

    The operation was much cheaper when it was found the brain was smaller than a regular person.
    More racist bullshit from a diluted minority that claim they are owed, still no one has worked out why, or what, time we all hardened up and told them to fuck off,

    • Rangi

      Yeah! Fuck off home you Maori’s……oh..wait….

      • Donovan Jackson

        Hehe, that’s pretty funny.

      • johnbronkhorst

        Wait for what??? Maori’s are immigrants too!!!

        • williamabong

          Not according to marty, they owned it and us white mother fuckers stole it from them, now we buy it back twenty times over.

          • Rangi

            Oh god, are you still going on about “White mother fuckers??”. FFS, Would you like a hug or something? Do you really take what Hone says to heart?

          • Mr_Blobby

            No because he is a racist black mother fucker.

          • Rangi

            Are you being ironic? “racist”? and “Black mother fucker” in the same sentence??

            What the fuck are you? A 2 year old?

          • Dave

            Rangi, Mr Hatefield coined that phrase, i don’t like it, but as he coined it, it is entirely appropriate to:

            a) Refer to oneself with regard how to Mr Hatefield sees us.

            b) Call him by the term, as he is a………..

            Its his term, it fits, he should wear it with pride. If he cant take it Rangi, he shouldnt dish it out.

          • Rangi

            In response,

            a) It’s not “Marty” saying this, it’s Hone, you’ve mixed them up if you are referring to williamabong & Mr Blobby,

            b) A black person & Hone are clearly different skin tones. If you want to be derogatory, say something about Hone – not Maori.

            You, Williamabong & Mr_Blobby clearly, very clearly have deep issues with Hone & for some reason, you’ve elected to extend that to all Maori. Or, is that just a convenient excuse to thinly conceal your racism?

          • Dave

            Read again Rangi, no where in my post do i refer to Maori, it starts with Hatefield, and continues, so don’t extend it beyond what I have said, an apology it was not me would be nice.

            And, hey, since YOU raised maori, how are the Stats coming along Rangi.

      • Ronnie Chow

        Moriori have regrets . What’s left of them .

        All Moriori today trace their ancestry back to Rongomaiwhenua. What distinguished Moriori was their adherence to a covenant of peace which they observed for over 500 years and remains a beacon of hope for our people today.

        Any compensation from the Maori in the pipeline , Rangi ?

        • williamabong

          Moriori don’t exist, never did, if they existed then marty would be paying them the compensation that seems to flow so handsomely to them. Yeah Right.

          • mike

            Helps when you eat all the evidence :-)

          • Ronnie Chow

            Some context…

            “And the perpetrators of that grievance were not white colonists from England, but Maori invaders from Taranaki.”

            Te Wharekura and his hapu at Te Raki killed and roasted 50 Moriori in one oven .

            Nearly all the Moriori belonging to Waitangi were exterminated .

        • Mr_Blobby

          They did get compensation from the Government, it was all our fault, that we failed to protect them. It should have been deducted from the compensation of the local tribes.

        • Rangi

          What the fuck would you know about “Moriori regrets”? What the fuck would you know about anything that didn’t involve soy sauce?

          Im sick of your psycho-chase-my-post-every-chance-you-get bull shit – Do some good in the world & go feed yourself to some dogs.

          • Ronnie Chow

            “What the fuck would you know about “Moriori regrets”? ”

            More than you . The survivors are organising against Maori . Time for some MURU .
            What the fuck would you know about Maori giving money as redress for past wrongs to other Maori ?

            Nothing , because Maori don’t do that .

            Now stick your racist jibes into the ground and let them ferment a bit .

          • Rangi

            “The Maori underclass is simply a very large criminal network ” – Sound familiar Dim Sim (pleton)? Now go fuck yourself before your really show how worthless your hypocritical & unhelpful posts are.

          • Ronnie Chow

            Dim Sum ? Facts getting into your clouded vision ?

            Akuanei koe i a au ka patua , Poaka momona !

          • Whafe

            Rangi? your retort please?

          • Dave

            Rangi, I think your comment above is totally out of order, its Straight RACISM. How do you know Ronnie does anything with, or knows anything about Soy Sauce ??

            You claim myself and others are racist, but seriously, have a look at what you say to others. Straight Racism!

          • mike

            Racist much Rangi?

      • williamabong

        There’s a fucking good idea, don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out bro.

    • Dave

      Perhaps we should hold all future settlements in trust for the Maoriori, the ones Maori wiped out.

  • Whafe

    I don’t know about you all, but when I read media words from Hone, it makes me vomit and piss blood….. Give me strength

    • Donovan Jackson

      Saw the fucker on Maori TV last night and wanted to throw my beer at the set. I held back only because the bottle was still half full….

      • James

        You wanted to wait and use a full one so that it did more damage? Right?

        • Donovan Jackson

          Hey it was my TV…and beer. An EMPTY one would have been a far better choice.

      • GregM

        What the hell were you doing watching that ???

        • Donovan Jackson

          Fair question. It was merely an intersection during channel surfing; Hone’s mug invokes righteous indignation. Hence I was righteously indignant.

    • Sarrs

      Hone Harawira is the only person in the world who I feel like hates me just because I was born.

      • Whafe

        I used to go to look at crops north of Kaitaia and always saw him in the airport, I felt the same… He hated me purely because I was white…..Seriously mean that too.

      • Simo

        A lot of Maori share his sentiments off the record, but while the extortion keeps food on the table they STFU, bit like the Muslims…..they never run in the streets protesting when one of their enlightened ones jumps the virgin queue and creates a dozen instant martyrs.

  • Jimmie

    I don’t mind genuine examples of koha, for example going to a tangi and giving some $$ to the hosting marae and in return being fed and a place to sleep.

    What I don’t like is when a scrote who has been caught with his hand in the till tries to justify his theft by giving his actions a veneer of respectability by claiming he was motivated by a cultural custom.

    It denigrates genuine examples of koha and makes Nikora out to be a liar as well as a thief.

    This is no different to cons door knocking pretending to represent a genuine charity, or a conning charity pretending to support some group when 95% of donations are diverted to other expenses.

    They are all scum who should be called for what they are.

  • Sarrs

    I understand koha. My argument still goes back to the fact the funds were raised via an auction and the people bidding and donating items were told it was for his treatment. It was not used for treatment. He also received his surgery free from the ADHB after he stated that he would distribute ALL of the funds he received to the community or charity. As far as I’m concerned, these are the relevant facts. Nothing else matters.

    Two questions still unanswered:
    1. How do the people involved in the art auction feel after their donations were not used for the purpose under which they were raised?
    2. How does the ADHB feel after it performed the private surgery for free once it was assured that all of the funds raised would be distributed to the community or charity?

    • Guest

      Spot on bean counter. I would love to hear the answers to those two questions.

      Perhaps we can initiate the media to ask for us!

      • Sarrs

        My biggest problem with the media is that they ask the wrong questions. The original article about this from The Herald didn’t even touch on these two areas. These would be my first questions if I was a decent journalist, trained and skilled.

        • James

          If you were a decent journalist, trained and skilled, then you wouldn’t be working in New Zealand. For one thing because there appears to be a worldwide shortage of them so you could name your price; and for another you wouldn’t want the dross masquerading as journalists here ruin your good name.

        • Whafe

          That’s why it is the NZ Horrid………………………….. It will all get turned around that we are racists (well white motha fuckers), when you are correct, the money was raised under false pretences in the end…. Theft

        • Dave

          Im in total agreement as well, but the media only ask stupid or blindingly obvious questions 99% of the time. I think its because they want to keep lines of commuication open for future queries, and are afraid if they ask too pointed questions people like Hone wont talk to them in future, or they will be accused of racism.

          • Sarrs

            You’re exactly right. The media in NZ are scared they won’t be invited back to the tea party if they upset anyone. I mean we piss and moan a fair bit here about biased journalism in the MSM but it’s mostly just the negativity of it, they would be too scared to go in and cause any real damage to either side.

    • johnbronkhorst

      I would believe, under the law, it is irrelevant how they feel NOW. Only how they felt at the time of donation and why they gave the money in the first place. The money was collected, as it turned out, under false pretences.

      • Sarrs

        $12,000 is a lot of money. He said he was going to give it to charity. I guess being a liar isn’t illegal but I would expect a higher standard of behaviour from someone who wishes to represent his community in parliament.

        • Whafe

          More important behaviour than swearing in Parliment to me… Lying like this is just not cool or should not be accepted

          • Guest

            Hear hear; again ones character should not ever be defined by ones use of expletives. Some of the best people I have ever met are a constant tap of crude & foul language yet they have more honour & mana in one eye lash than people like Hone will ever have.

          • johnbronkhorst

            My views on lying (by anyone)….Lying is the biggest insult you pay me. The fact that you think I am stupid enough to believe you!!

  • cows4me

    Nikora should give the 12k to Hone, not sure how much removing chips from shoulders are these days but should go a fair way.

  • Simo

    Just throw up Hadrian’s Wall using the fella’s in the new uniforms from Onerini Road in Kaiwaka to Molesworth Road in Mangawhai, the f&*^^kers will have to paddle to do the burgs in Auckland. Fence ‘em off and leave them to own sovereignty, social welfare, health and koha

  • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

    Why are we losing sleep over a small change? Settle down folks….Horny Hone is a man of integrity and our future Maori Affairs Minister.

  • European Kiwi Born

    I’m starting to like this WhaleOil Blog :-)

    • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

      Are you a rich prick? If so let me know and I will add you to my rich prick’s list for heavy taxation when Labour-Green-NZ First-Mana block comes to power in 2014. I am compiling this register for Hippie Norman. Most of Whale Oil blog readers are hard workers and take care of their own affairs and hence liable for punitive taxes.

      • Whafe

        Hey hey hey, we are the Whaleoil Army, tax the fuck out of us, we so want to pay more tax….

      • Dave

        And I thought the Rich Pricks tax was the Treaty of Waitangi SCS.

        • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

          Because of your nastiness, you have now been included twice. If you behave, I will get you one of Horny Horne’s Maori only free houses…..

          • Dave

            I want four houses Cullen Bro, I am entitled to them, my great grandfathers neighbors cousin half sisters boyfriend was once a warrior bro!! One for me and the current misses, one for the ex misses and all her kids, and one for the factory we produce stuff in (prefer that in the next street or suburb bro) and one for the whanau to live in, but that one needs to be in northland Cullen bro, dont want those thieving pricks living too close, jeez they want everything of mine.

          • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

            Gee Dave – You tick all the boxes in Horny’s form…You can move in any time now :-)

          • Dave

            Oh, and i forgot SCS, any chance of getting those pricks at WINZ to realize my unfortunate circumstances, i need money for a new car, getting to old to find one abandoned in someones garage, and the young ones are too lazy to find one for me. One of those Chrysler jeeps will do SCS bro mate.

          • RightOfGenghis

            I want one too! My ancestor was eaten by a Ngapuhi chief. That makes me Maori by absorption…

          • Rangi

            He shat him out again – now what does that make you?

          • RightOfGenghis

            A koha ;)

          • johnbronkhorst

            Smart enough to get as far away as possible!!!

          • Dave

            Absolutley brilliant RoG!! Love it.

    • Sarrs

      Pays to familiarise yourself with Sir Cullen’s Sidekick and his tongue in cheek comments :)

  • peterwn

    I thought a ‘Koha’ implied the return of the gift if no longer required for its intended purpose. A Maori tribe made a school site available to the Anglican Church (and Torrens title issued to the Church). The school was not built and they wanted the land back on this basis – Chief Justice Prendagast dismissed the claim. See:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wi_Parata_v_Bishop_of_Wellington

  • Mediaan

    What is the Maori for, “Be scrupulous with other people’s possessions”, I wonder.

    Or the Maori for, “Grow up and be a man who plays his full part in the community” …

  • Col

    Fuck me days, now I understand why we should learn Maori, I would have been a Billionaire by now.

  • Troy

    Mr Harawira – I’d like the latest model of porsche (don’t care which), a 100m swimming pool (heated of course)…. and, and and for no Mana Party member to ever be elected again. Koha please (half will do given I can definately see the 1/2 maori blood flowing thru my veins).

  • CJA

    Lol my wife is part maori and in her words last night watching the news “That’s bullshit”. Thought it was rather classic.

  • sarah

    I wonder whether its been declared with IRD as I understand it, this comes under the “gift tax” system

  • Chris

    Harawiri’s not the least trusted person in NZ. He’s the 100th most trusted. That’s pretty good out of a population of over 4 million.

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