Phil Goff – For F*cks Sake

TV3’s Pedro Gower has run a clip of Phil Goff’s offensive behaviour at Select Committee:

However, Pedro goes on to say that he can’t recall the F word being used at Select Committee before and it’s ‘uncharted’ territory. 

I can’t recall it being used previously at select committees either, but it has been used on the floor of the House.

After this little outburst – Steve Maharey went on to retire from politics. Tick tock Phil Goff?

For the record: NZFirst’s Ron Mark also famously flipped the bird in Parliament too… and the Labour Speaker punished TV3 for showing it!

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  • Daniel Church

    And to think – this clown wanted to be Prime Minister! LOL.

  • Col

    Oh that is good, instead of writing F^*&* I can now follow those who represent this country in govt and say Fuck You and write it as well.

  • Rex Widerstrom

    And…?

    A bit of passion in politics doesn’t go amiss.

    And in terms of entertainment value, I’d rather sit on a Select Committee with Malcolm Tucker than Ben Swain.

    (Has anybody else noticed that Russel Norman bears an uncanny resemblance to Swain, in both appearance and manner? While being considerably smaller.)

    • Bunswalla

      Passion in politics is all well and good, but the purpose and business of Select Committees is not political (in the party sense, at least). Goff was not even being political, he was being personal towards both Mike Bush and Anne Tolley (although the latter was probably more for political reasons as well).

      In any case, he was being a complete cock. No surprises there.

      • Guest

        Yep he was. But being pulled over the coals for swearing? I’m not so sure. Unless it was in the rules (which I think it is for the House)

        • Bunswalla

          Select Committees come under the same Standing Orders that govern behaviour in the House. Which is probably why the Chair of the Law and Order Select Committee has lodged a Privileges complaint against both Mallard and Goff.

          • Guest

            Well then he should know better. Mind you it will be interesting to see if the complaint holds water given he didn’t use the expletive when addressing the committee & appeared instead to be trying to have a private conversation.

            I wonder – did the Chair actually hear him or find out after the fact re Gower? Im guessing the latter….it would seem that that alliance (MSM & the left) has hit a rocky patch!

  • Whafe

    It is about the most passion I have ever seen the driest of dry ball Phil Goofy ever show….

  • In Vino Veritas

    Oooh! Phil the hard man! Hunts with the sheep people.

  • johnbronkhorst

    Would appear we can now see the difference between the word fuck used to emphacise a point and to just be abusive …..it appears labour only know the 2nd kind!

  • jaundiced

    I like this earthy Phil. Better than the normal politician stringing slogans together.

    • 4077th

      For once in his life he hasn’t got that silly smirk on his face..he genuinely looks like he has a pair..I like the new Goofy.

  • LesleyNZ

    I am DISGUSTED. I hate that word, but to hear it come out of the mouth of a politician in the House and in select committee is unacceptable. Shame on Phil Goff. What do his own children and other children think? How can an MP who swears like this lead by example? I am pretty sure the F word has been used by other MP’s in parliament. Sue Bradford being one:
    ‘F…’ word never acceptable in Parliament http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/569580/F-word-never-acceptable-in-Parliament

    • Guest

      Oh my GOD. Seriously, oh my God – what world do you live in?

      Gower was silly to raise this topic & your judgement of Goff is awfully ironic given Cameron has, until recently it would seem, been very very fond of using expletives & yet you are one of his biggest fans. And I can’t say I have ever seen you object to his use of fuck or worse in his titles & in fact, it has always had its intended purpose – got you to comment (on the topic – e.g. religious pedophiles etc…which interestingly failed to draw you out when it was about the Anglicans. See http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/05/its-not-just-the-bloody-catholics/).

      The swearing in this house is of course not acceptable, but it should be the least of your concerns re the type of debate that goes with respect to questions & answers. They show a complete lack of respect towards the process & to each other. THAT is the primary issue. Not swearing.

      • LesleyNZ

        You are so self- righteous and sanctimonious sometimes unsol. What world do you live in? Cameron knows what I think about swear words. Cameron is an open book – he is honest and I like his honesty. Just because someone swears doesn’t mean to say you don’t like them. If there are no standards in the House unsol – then the law of the jungle may as well rule. Why do you love to accept the lowest of standard? The link you posted didn’t work. What do you mean by “draw you out”? I don’t care whether a paedophile is an Anglican, Catholic Methodist Presbyterian or Baptist – they are all the same – evil and sinful. I have personally known two paedophiles who have gone to jail here in NZ for the crime they committed. They were soft-coated predators. They are still around.

        • Guest

          Lowest standards? Awfully presumptuous Lesley yet you are audacious enough to call me self-righteous & sanctimonious…ironic.

          Your moral compass does not have the authority to dictate that of others; character is not defined by expletives. But it is defined by how you judge & how you treat others.

          And we weren’t talking about whether swearing in the House was OK – personally I don’t think anyone should swear at their place of work (time & a place for everything) – I was merely responding to your assumption that it is only Labour MPs swear….when in fact most probably do. Some are just better at not getting caught.

          And in terms of Goff’s language at the select committee – the comment was clearly said in conversational/off the record type tones as opposed to being part of the formal minutes. I have more of an issue with his arrogance towards her than his use of the word fuck.

          Re the link – http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/05/its-not-just-the-bloody-catholics/

          • Muffin

            Can anyone say cat fight

          • LesleyNZ

            No – not a cat fight – don’t believe in that.

          • LesleyNZ

            “Your moral compass does not have the authority to dictate that of others; character is not defined by expletives. But it is defined by how you judge & how you treat others.” Unsol – when we are talking about the language and behaviour from our elected MP’s in the highest office in the land we should expect the highest standard from them. I do. Certainly Phil Goff has shown his true character in what he said to Anne Tolley. What comes out of your mouth is what is in your heart and mind. I am not assuming just Labour MP’s swear – but it appears to be Labour MP’s (and Greens/Mana) who have used bad language like this in the highest office of our land in the House. I am sure other MP’s from other parties use unsavoury language. Most though don’t use it when they are in the House. Think it is time that the Speaker of the House raised the standard of language and behaviour in the highest office in our land.

        • Whafe

          LesleyNZ – the law of the jungle may as well rule. It sure does rule in the NZ parliment, it is asstounding the behaviour that is displayed. I agree they shouldn’t say fuck etc etc, however there is behaviour that happens constantly that is not pulled up…

          • LesleyNZ

            Totally agree. The MP’s can do and say what they like in their own home but not in the highest office in the land and at the place of their work. Standards have slipped so much and a dumbed down attitude prevails to the point that a low standard of language and behaviour has become the norm and acceptable. There is little respect for the highest office in the land – I mean most of us think parliament is a bit of a joke. What Phil Goff said to Anne Tolley is totally unacceptable – those who think it is OK (some unwittingly) show that they have a low standard themselves. If their standard was higher they would think the language and behaviour of some of our MP’s was unacceptable.

          • Whafe

            Yes agree with many of your points… The nation has moved to a level where by mediocrity is the acceptable norm… What do people expect when this is what is leading our country…

            But swearing is not the measure anymore of ones moral compass… I swear for sure, however these is a time and place for everything….

            I mean I see the name Winston, Hone, Norman, etc etc, all I can say is Fuck… ;)

          • Guest

            That’s the thing Lesley. Few people on here have said it is OK that MPs swear in the house or at the select committee.

            I don’t think they should. My objection was that you seemed to think that this was the monopoly of Labour yet failed to see that in the clip above, Jonathan Coleman actually started it. Maharey was just unlucky enough to get caught on the mike so he got sanctioned.

            Further you seem to place more emphasis on the expletives that the tone or attitude. The biggest issue in this case was the way in which Goff addressed Tolley rather than his use of a common phrase.

            “There is little respect for the highest office in the land – I mean most of us think parliament is a bit of a joke.” – I agree. Question is, how do we get them to treat their job & our money with the respect it deserves?

      • Guest

        oops

        • Bunswalla

          “Oh my GOD. Seriously, oh my God – what world do you live in?”

          That one – she lives in that GOD world. That’s why.

          • Guest

            I believe in the same God Buns :-)

            My point was more about her rather naive world view resultant from what appears to be a very sheltered life.

            P.s had to delete as replied to myself instead of Lesley…doh!

          • LesleyNZ

            Just because I expect a higher standard you think I I have had a sheltered life and am naive? That is presumptuous unsol. If you believe in the God I believe in you see the world in quite a different light – a lot to do with what good is and what evil is.

          • RightOfGenghis

            Might not agree but I have to say I like your style Lesley. Totally uncompromising, predictable and immune to ridicule. Makes Unsol’s shadow boxing look a little silly by comparison

          • LesleyNZ

            I don’t expect you to agree with me at all. I am usually in the minority. I accept that.

          • Guest

            Nothing silly about holding people to account when they appear to have double standards.

            Shadow boxing – kinder than the real thing & it gets a response which of course is what blogs are all about :)

          • LesleyNZ

            What double standards?

          • Guest

            message vs delivery

          • Guest

            It’s the shock that you express that implies naivety not your preference for clean language 100% of the time.

            Plenty of people share your world view including many of my friends. But they don’t get shocked by things like MPs swearing.

            And not everyone who believes in God – your God – shares the same world view.

            As for higher standards – then why defend Clint Richards, Bruce Hutton, Mike Bush or even Bill Roache? Why fail to comment on issues pertaining to porn or when WO called a 10 year old dumb because of the actions of his mother?

          • LesleyNZ

            Shock? No. Disgusted in his language and behaviour. Where have I said I was shocked? You are twisting what I said………..

          • Guest

            Your syntax & stylistic approach to responding to topics like this often implies shock. You come across as if you are surprised that MPs swear.

          • LesleyNZ

            Of course a lot of them swear – but they should not in the House and in select committee. I know women use the F word but for Phil Goff to say it to Anne Tolley shows a lack of courtesy and decency. The way he said it – he obviously uses it all the time. Nothing surprises me anymore. I will however espouse my opinion on what is posted. I do not expect you to agree.

    • 4077th

      “What do his own children and other children think?” They are probably thinking..oh FFS just get on with it Phil.

  • LesleyNZ

    Do a bit of research Paddy…. the F word has been used a few times in the “House”. Not only Sue Bradford – Steve Maharey Great example he was – Education Minister back then and still in education (Massey Uni). What a low standard the Labour party (and Mana Party) have.
    Thursday Apr 5, 2007 http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10432776
    “Education Minister Steve Maharey says it was “a slip of the tongue” yesterday in Parliament when he said “f*** you” to Northcote MP Jonathan Coleman. Mr Maharey uttered the profanity as he sat down after answering questions from Dr Coleman, and possibly thought his microphone was off.”

  • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

    Nothing will happen. He will get a slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket. NZ Speaker, UN, WTO – these are all toothless specimens. Only there for a show. Move on boyz.

  • Donovan Jackson

    At least ole Goffy has the decency to use the expression properly. I have always maintained (stridently, at times) that the correct expostulation is ‘for fuck’s sake’, and not ‘for fuck sakes’.

  • LesleyNZ

    So Labour, Mana and Green Youth have used the F word in parliament.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/blogs/on-the-house/1875501/Politics-in-the-blender
    “Funnily enough, while Kate Steel, 16, a Green Party nominee, was ejected for using the f-word, Steve Maharey – who also used it just a few weeks back – didn’t have to leave the chamber. Sounds like a double standard to me. The irony of course is that Steel is representing the Greens, which is probably the one party that you will never hear swear in the chamber.”

    Have any MP’s from National Party used the F word in parliament?

    • Guest

      Have a look at the video again – Jonathan Coleman clearly said “oh fuck off” as he sat down before Maharey even stood up…..

      Quick google – Nick Smith got a good telling off for swearing in the house in 2007 & had to apologise. See http://www.3news.co.nz/National-MP-apologises-for-swearing-in-House/tabid/423/articleID/27504/Default.aspx

      They’ve also been known to swear at police when pulled over for driving offences – see http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10515888

    • jaundiced

      Shock horror, a politician used the F word!
      For goodness sake. Lesley is not only DISGUSTED but obsessing over what parties have used the F word in parliament. And having to go back years to find any!!!

      Are you seriously turning this into a political issue? Does it really matter?
      Great to see a bit of genuine emotion at least.
      And what sanctimonious nonsense ”..the Greens, which is the one party that you would never hear swear in the chamber”.
      Yeah, right.

      • LesleyNZ

        Yes it does matter – very much. Just shows you how dumbed down you have become when it comes to what is a good standard.

        • unsol

          “Just shows you how dumbed down you have become when it comes to what is a good standard”. Now that is sanctimonious for sure.

          Again character is not defined by the use of expletives & by saying things like that your character is most certainly lacking. You just can’t say shit like that. You don’t know them. You don’t know me. Yet you just judge away like you are God’s little gift to mankind. Gotta change your sales pitch as that kind of approach aint never going to be a winner.

          And you never did answer why a swear word is in the bible….

        • jaundiced

          Swearing is an appropriate expression of emotion. In fact an interesting documentary on BBC at the moment, with Stephen Fry explores the development and use of language. Research shows that when women swear during childbirth (who might not usually use the f word and feel embarrassed afterwards) it helps deal with the pain enormously. They also did an experiment to see how long Stephen Fry (who swears sparingly) and Brain Blessed (who swears profoundly and often) could hold their hand in ice water. With swearing Stephen Fry held out several times longer than without swearing. For Brian Blessed it made little difference, because he swears all the time and this reduces its role for him as an emotional release. So I agree Lesley that’s its not a good idea to swear all the time, as it lessens its impact when you need it. But really, you shouldn’t waste too much time stressing about ‘standards’. It really DOESN’T matter.
          Mae West once said (I think it was her) “People who shock easily should be shocked more often”
          Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck…
          Try it, you’ll feel better

          • LesleyNZ

            You need to go and sit in the sunshine for a bit – you sound a bit jaundiced…………………………….

        • Muffin

          I’m with you, the least we can expect from these idiots is a degree of civility.

    • 4077th

      I bet you Mojo tried to say it plenty before she got her all singing and dancing laptop…she just couldn’t make herself understood. Now she can register her anger digitally like Ron.

  • Donovan Jackson

    Oh and another thing, I always thought having power was a prerequisite for going power mad. Apparently not.

  • cows4me

    Poor old Goofy is losing it. Half the Liarbore caucus need culling, they’re are way pass their so called productive lives and are simply troughing it now. Why can’t these pricks quit while they still have a scrap of respect. Fuck his party stabbed him in the back and the people of NZ wanted nothing of him, you would think he would get the message and leave. All this dead wood shows the true outlook of the socialist mind and that is to suck on the public tit because they’re to fucking useless to survive in the real world.

    • Whafe

      Totally agree cows, shocking behaviour, none of these clown pants have any emotional intelligence… Learn to read what is happening….

      • Guest

        You say in complete agreement to a comment that has more fucks than it does nouns. :-)

        • Bunswalla

          Fuck can be a noun too – I had a good fuck the other day. An adverb – Lesley’s fucking sanctimonious wouldn’t you say? An expletive – Fuck! that really hurt, Charlie, you bit my finger! A verb – well fuck me, who knew the greens were sanctimonious hypocritical twats?

          Let me know if you need any more examples.

          • Guest

            Haha clever cookie & oops walked into that one!

          • Bunswalla

            It can even be the name of a blog – WOBH

          • Dave

            Only if your irish :)

          • Dave

            vote up from me Buns.

            and no thanks to the last invitation with the F word!

    • Lofty

      Trouble is cows, that even if 1/2 were culled, the replacements would then require instant culling, and so on, and so on etc etc etc.

      This country has such a shallow depth of political talent.

  • GregM

    I can put up with Mahareys FU and Ron Marks bird is okay too, but it was the bullying manner that Goff used I find unacceptable.

    • Guest

      I agree. He was treating Tolley like she’s a child, as if he has the authority on the matter. Which we all know can’t possibly be true as the man has about as much authority as Aaron Gilmore.

  • Guest

    What a NON issue – honestly. Clearly Goff is having a private word with Tolley – he isn’t in speech mode (notice that his voice is not at its normal high pitched self – he is trying to talk quietly). The issue should be about his arrogance & condescending tone towards her rather than his use of swear words.

    As for the house – funny. Funny that no one seems to have noticed that Jonathan Coleman clearly said “oh fuck off” as he sat down before Maharey even stood up/camera swapped to him. Unless I am wrong? Have another look…what do you reckon?

    • LesleyNZ

      Foul-mouthed to speak to another politician like this – So it is alright for him to speak to Anne Tolley like this? I don’t think so.

      • Guest

        In terms of the use of swear words in what was supposed to be a quiet conversation because he is clearly annoyed then yes. In terms of his arrogance & presumption of authority on the matter – no. He is coming across like a condescending prick.

  • 4077th

    ‘Show me the money” FFS do you really want to have a fight over this..because we will!

  • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

    For the record, I don’t think Goff saying fuck is the main issue here.

    I think him threatening a select committee chair with a ‘fight’ in the crazed way he does that’s the problem.

    • Mr_Blobby

      I think it is a big to do about nothing.

    • Muffin

      If only she got up and smacked him over, that would be worth this level of discussion

      • Guest

        “If only”….so your version of civility prefers violence over swearing? :-)

        • Muffin

          Well they are already saying fuck, might as well make it entertaining.

        • Muffin

          And I was really only pointing out that the fuck was un important, not worth a massive 70 comments and a Lesley unsol smack down session

          • LesleyNZ

            Just show you then how low society has become.

          • Guest

            Yes picked up on the poke. If it wasn’t me that questioned her it would have been someone else

            And few high view posts are ever worth the commentary they get. It all depends on the day & who can be bothered stirring the pot.

    • Troy

      Is it permissible for a NZ citizen to lodge a complaint with the Privileges Committee? – i’m just wondering, i kinda feel like it’s about time NZ citizens had more of input into the standards of MP’s once elected – afterall, we only get to choice electorate MP’s every 3 years. I’ve been trying to find if anything is written in Standing Orders etc (i don’t think anything is on the statutes about it). Maybe I’ll just write to the Speaker cc all party leaders anyway.

      • Guest

        I agree. The way they carry on in the House is appalling. They are worse than toddlers fighting over the tonkas in the sandpit.

        The lack of professionalism & sheer arrogance that they can spend our money by using Q & A time with pettiness, trivia & insults is mind boggling. Swearing is the least of their problems. They have no respect for others, the process or us as voters; their audacious sense of entitlement knows no bounds.

        To me they are no better than generational benes or WFF families who choose to have kids they clearly can’t afford.

        We need to stop them taking the piss.

    • LesleyNZ

      Both are issues Whale and they go hand in hand with each other. What he said to Anne Tolley was unacceptable and so was his behaviour. About time we saw the real person who we are voting for. In the House we see a performance. Out of the House we see the true character. Twenty years ago this would not have been acceptable. In twenty years time the standard will be even lower if the likes of Phil Goff are allowed to behave and speak in the manner he did. Same goes for Steve Maharey, Ron Mark, Trevor Mallard and Hone Harawira (and there are others). It is these politicians who have lowered the standard. It is up to the others to raise the standard. Glad that Paddy Gower is reporting this.

      • GregM

        I’ve been watching this thread all day, and I do see your point Lesley.
        I don’t mind the occasional profanity, but I won’t tolerate bullying, which is what Goff was doing.

  • Hazards001

    I can believe the goofy fucking womble swore in a select commitee…I can’t however believe he thinks he is so important he can threaten the Chair. What a dick!

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