Graduating doesn’t create jobs out of thin air

Here’s surprise, obviously for these muppet trainee teachers. Graduating doesn’t create jobs out of thin air.

Teaching graduates are struggling to find jobs in Tauranga, with one graduate moving as far as Canterbury to get a start in her career.

Waikato University dean of education Roger Moltzen said the job market for teachers was more competitive now than it had been but he predicted a shortage before the decade was out.

The Education Gazette website has just 16 teaching vacancies in the Western Bay of Plenty in early childhood, primary and secondary positions.

Bethlehem Tertiary Institute teacher education programme co-ordinator Cathryn Bell said the 65 per cent employment rate for last year’s graduate primary teachers was the lowest in years.  

Out of 26 graduates, 17 have jobs but many of those had left the Western Bay to find work.

“[Not finding employment] is really demoralising for them and us. It is really hard. We have had some go overseas and some who would not have chosen to go to other parts of New Zealand.”

Good grief these people are soft. When my missus graduated from teachers college there were no jobs unless you had experience, so she went and worked of a year for IHC teaching…then the next year she applied for 75 jobs and got one interview and one offer…in Wellington. Guess where we moved to.

Honestly I am sick of these entitled graduates carping on about no jobs in the god-forsaken tinpot little village they WANT to live in.

They need to dry their eyes and get on with life.

  • GazzW

    I wonder how the city-based muppets would have coped when two years teaching in a country school was mandatory.

    • cows4me

      You are very right Gazz , works both ways. What I find interest is the fact that we are turning out more teachers then we need. I was lead to believe that teaching was a noble vocation and those seeking such a vocation did it for the love of teaching. I’m sure a great many do but given some of the stories coming out of the profession I suspect many see it as a lifestyle occupation, shit I could handle three months off a year, I would be in seven heaven. Anyhow seen as it is such a noble cause you wouldn’t think they would have problems filling any vacancies after all it’s all about the vocation, isn’t it?

      • rockape

        How many times have we heard “The need for a payrise is to attract more to the proffesion”, Shorter hours is “all about the kids” Opposition to standards monitoring, “is all about the kids” Tosh, its all about unionists wanting to do less for more and ensuring they have a job for life.

        • Jonathan Pull

          While agree its unionist bullshit people cant use the ” we need to pay them well” argument for politicians and not say the same for QUALITY teachers. We want GOOD politicians to run the country and we want GOOD teachers (there are some) to teach the future workers and politicians. After all you get what you pay for.

          • cows4me

            While I agree with you on some levels Jonathan teachers are their own worst enemies. They should be paid on performance. By blindly follow the socialist way and believing all are equal and all deserve the same pay they have hamstrung themselves to mediocrity. Why strive for higher ideals only to be paid the same as the dropkick who doesn’t give a flying fuck about the job? Why are some of our schools failing, the answer lies in the failed ideology they pin their colours to.

          • Jonathan Pull

            I agree completely.
            A blanket wage is pointless.
            I’m all for performance pay but what I’m asking is what teachers get paid today enough IF they are good teachers?

      • GazzW

        It is all about the vocation c4m. Anyone going into the profession on the basis that they get three months off a year and work a seven hour day very soon realise that they are in the wrong game. Unfortunately for our kids they don’t leave, they just hang around gaining an increasing degree of self-entitlement doing a mediocre job knowing that they won’t be fired protected as they are by the country’s best organised union. There’s a lot of hope though as young teachers are not joining the union and with open minds about performance pay and charter schools.

        Come in teachersrock…………5,4,3,2

        • DLNZ

          Teachersrock has been awfully quiet since the tourism figures for The Hobbit came out a few days ago…. Haven’t heard a peep out of Helen Kelly or Labour either :P

      • Lance

        shit I could handle three months off a year, I would be in seven heaven.

        So become a teacher then.

        • cows4me

          I lack the educational skills Lance besides I very much doubt I would be constrained enough just to pat the little dears on the head should they transgress.

        • dyannt

          Any teacher worth their salt would spend half their time out of the classroom planning quality lessons for the next term. Any teacher who thinks their work hours is 9.00 to 3.00 should have been let go after their first 90 days.
          If there is now an over supply of newly qualified teachers, perhaps the 90 days trial should be introduced into all schools.

          • AngryTory

            If there is now an over supply of newly qualified teachers

            Then fire all the unionists!

        • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

          I am a teacher in Asia. I get three months off, but a teaching day is 12 hours long and the salary’s half of what NZ teachers get. Chinese teachers receive half of that still: depending on the discipline they teach, they receive a salary in the range of 1800 (geography, history, politics and core science teachers) to 3200 (English, Chinese and Mathematics teachers) yuan per month and they receive only a basic stipend of one third of their monthly pay during the holidays.

    • dyannt

      I started teaching with that requirement. My first school was near Tauramanui and the second down country from Nelson. Loved them both. It was a bit of a culture shock to teach in a town intermediate school, I can tell you.

      Also it was very common that farmers married the young ladies who were doing their country school service. Probably a good thing because it brought new blood into the community.

      • Bunswalla

        Shame you weren’t in Taumarunui long enough to learn how to spell it.

        • dyannt

          Well you know how it is with uneducated teachers, Buns. :-)

          With your eye for detail, you’re not an accountant by any chance?

  • Steve R

    Roger that

  • Pissedoffyouth

    Since when has it been easy for graduates?

    Oh wait, the 50’s, when only the best and brightest went to uni while everyone else provided services and trades.

    Nowaday’s the smartest guys get into trades (for the money), while the rest end up studying a useless degree for 3 years and then working form the bottom like they would have if they had just started working!

    • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

      “The smartest go into trades” I am not convinced that’s true, although I agree that academia is seriously dumbed down now.

      Most of the stupidest people I went to school with are now rich tradesmen. They’re rich, but they’re still stupid. Watch Shortland Street, Friends and Cooking Shows while they eat chips on the couch with the fat missus and SOCK(s). Big time Working for Families recipients and conspicuous consumers.

      Of course, many tradesmen are extremely bright, but you don’t have to be that bright to evaluate the opportunity costs associated with getting a student loan, being out of the workforce for 3+ years, and then earning something like $32,000 a year writing HR memos. I studied what I studied because I love literature and I hope to pass on that passion to teenagers so they don’t wind up all crass and vacuous like the people I’ve described to you above.

      I don’t regret studying what I studied, but the tendentious nutters in those universities almost strove me crazy and the cost of studying is unbelievably expensive. I was able to navigate my way through and avoid taking classes where they talk about politics and trust me, you can take a class about medieval literature or biomedical engineering and they’ll just rant about politics every second lesson. It is quite pathetic.

      If I was a tradesmen, I probably have electrocuted myself or met with some other bad end long ago. I am so uncoordinated and impractical but then again, it’s not like a dodgy or inept tradesman is an unheard of phenomenon, is it? :-)

  • Jimmie

    When my sis graduated as a teacher 30 odd years ago the only job she got was at a primary school in Patea.

    Worked out ok – met her husband to be who was a local cockie – so good things can come from little towns.

  • baw

    When are the laws of supply and demand going to kick in?

    There are more teachers available so when are pay rates going to drop? Surely they could employ more teachers etc. After all the union says small class sizes are good? We could employ more teacher aids to help struggling students etc.

    Oh that’s right the union has a pay monopoly. Yet private childcare etc. is under significant pressure because of supply and demand laws because people are not willing to pay huge amounts for childcare. If all schools were charter schools we would see teacher pay rates drop as schools made themselves more compeditive by offering a higher teacher to student ratio.

    I also note that experience counts. If a newly graduated teacher does not have experience, then they can easily get some. Just go overseas and teach English for a few years. Once you have done that you should have better odds for getting a job. The money is very good. I saved a good amount and had great trips around Korea. I don’t even have a teaching degree.

    Additionally I currently work in Auckland. I moved to Auckland for the work. I did not want to live here. There is a link between home ownership and unemployment. Why? Because when people own their own homes, the find it harder to move to where the jobs are.

    Small towns are great. But the reality is this. They have fewer jobs.

    • AngryTory

      There is a link between home ownership and unemployment

      Which completely backs up my point that home ownership in NZ is too high, not too low. What NZ needs more slums, not more “affordable homes”

  • Harroputza

    So, the dean of education in Waikato is predicting a coming shortage of teachers? Nothing like a little bit of bias when promoting your product and justifying your existence.

    • baw

      Good point

    • GazzW

      Roger Moltzen is probably right. I don’t know the demographics but I understand that there is a primary teacher shortage predicted from 2017 onwards. The only indicator that I can go on is a school where a family member teaches and his comment that sibling registrations from 2015 are very heavy. Mind you I am talking Auckland here so population growth is a big factor.

  • AngryTory

    then the next year she applied for 75 jobs and got one interview and one offer…in Wellington. Guess where we moved to.

    London? Good money for NA non-union teachers there in private school & always has been

    • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

      Do you have the figures? I heard supply teachers can make $300 a day. Is this correct?

      • AngryTory

        No – I make all my shit up. But I can Google. I guess that’s something else you don’t learn in a state school.

        http://www.teachinlondon.net/Job.aspx?VacNo=486632&Page=2

        There you are. OK sorry only NZD270.

        • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

          That is only one provider. Presumably these are public schools. I’ve no intention of hanging out with those militant unionists they have over there.
          Thanks anyway, my high Tory friend :-)

  • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

    I couldn’t get a teaching job in NZ so I left. Now I’m having such a great time that I’ll probably never come back. Who would want their kid exposed to a person who hasn’t even got the aptitude to survive in a modern economy without the state giving them something? No wonder loads of people don’t know anything, won’t get a real job when there are no bottom-feeder suit-wearing positions, and can’t spell!
    Then we wonder why society at large is the way it is.
    Keep your kids away from these people.

  • Tom

    Maybe they are overpaid to hell and teachers need to get a big paydrop to just above minimum wage.

    Supply and demand.

    • AngryTory

      Above? Why above?

      When NZ was founded, teachers were paid in room & board & a bottle of whisky every Christmas, and had to clean their classrooms.

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