My First Te Reo – tupeka, hikarete, pūahi

Plain-old-tobaccoIt is Maori Language Week, let’s learn some maori.

tupeka

(loan) (noun) tobacco.

hikareti

(loan) (noun) cigarette.

pūahi

(noun) cigarette lighter. 

Modern Usage:

The Maori party want to ban the word tupeka.

They hope that their people will then stop using the pūahi to light up their hikareti.

Using this approach the Maori party will also seek to ban the words tūkinokōhuruapuapu and waipiro.

That will stop the child abuse, the murder, obesity and alcoholism in Maori for sure.

That will fix it bro, ban them nasty words that make our people suffer.

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  • unitedtribes

    or perhaps

    Tari Whakatau Take e pā ana ki te Tiriti o Waitangi, Te

  • Rangi

    You are an obese, “hunter” (murderer, whats the matter? no supermarkets near to you?), alcoholic & known felon who can’t hold on to a job.

    Does that high powered perception you have look just as good reflected?

    • williamabong

      Bait meet hook, look we caught a troll.

      • Euan Ross-Taylor

        Gotta love the “hunter, murderer” derogatory comment coming from a Maori.

        • Rangi

          Yeah sure, attack the culture – not the accuracy of what was posted – oh that’s right, you can’t, so you dredge. Nice one :)

          • williamabong

            So Rangi enlighten us, why should Moari be recognised as one of our country’s official languages??

          • Rangi

            It seems like a pretty good thing to do if you are going to be genuine about intentions of partnership.

          • williamabong

            So why should there be a partnership, and if there is one what would it achieve??

          • Dave

            Problem there, partnership infers working together for the common good, both parties bringing good will, and having like minded intentions. We want, you pay doesn’t seem to fit “partnership” Nuff said.

          • Rangi

            “You Pay” bit is flawed, its more like “You Owe – We all Pay” thats the fact of it all.

          • johnbronkhorst

            You would find yourself better balanced if you had a chip on your other shoulder too!

          • Rangi

            Easy “go to” answer aint it JB? Would you mind pointing out where I could be wrong?

          • johnbronkhorst

            Your attitude makes it easy!
            You are wrong in that The treaty guarantees you not to be discriminated against….equal OPPORTUNITY not equal success, that is down to you!
            Partnership is not relevant, the treaty STATES that Maori ceed sovereignty to the crown, but the crown Guarantee’s the protection of citizens. Any act perpetrated against Maori since, has been the act of individuals misrepresenting the crown!
            This should be addressed!!!
            Also Partnership does not mean EQUAL say. It is equal as to proportion of input and representation.
            eg if I own 10% of a company, I don’t get the same say as someone who owns 40%!

          • Dave

            Yup JB, Rangi’s entitlement came out loud and clear there. somewhere in the treaty the words “settlement” just wish they used tighter terms, such as full and final.

          • williamabong

            So why is it we owe and who owes and who to?

          • Rangi

            A question better answered by your democratically elected Government who speak on behalf of the Crown who acknowledge constant obligation.

          • Rangi

            You’re wandering into philosophical territory there. My take on it is that a partnership would be a better solution than the alternative which is a non-descript, monolith. Bland & predictable

          • williamabong

            You still haven’t answered the question, who is owed, why, and how much,? don’t be evasive just simple answers will suffice.

            And by the way it’s YOUR democratically elected govt as well,

          • AnonWgtn

            It already is along with Sign Language.

          • williamabong

            Still haven’t answered the question – WHY

          • Dave

            another thought, why wasn’t all the radio, TV advertisements debates and printed material for the recent By-election in Maori only. It is being pushed as their language, surely all Maori can speak, write and fully comprehend it ??

          • Polish Pride

            because it is part of New Zealand’s heritage but unfortunately like the rest of Maori culture. The language (and culture will) never be saved in an us vs them mentality. In order to have a chance at saving it, it needs to be given to all New Zealanders as something to be proud of and something to call our own. Unfortunately that is not what is happening. Maori culture language etc. comes with the message of belonging to Maori and Maori alone.
            It is a real shame because it is a beautiful culture.

          • williamabong

            So is Chinese, Gaelic, French, Dutch, German to name a few, why should they not carry equal status, or is there something special about Maori??

          • Rangi

            Apart from both being native to this country and predating English?

          • williamabong

            Rangi you need to read up on your history, MAORI ARE NOT NOR EVER HAVE BEEN NATIVE TO THIS COUNTRY.

          • Polish Pride

            I don’t consider Chinese, Gaelic, French or German and so on to be part of the core identity of what makes New Zealand..well New Zealand. Maori and English I do.

          • Hazards001

            Well then you know sweet FA to do with NZ history then.

            I know many Chinese that have been here as long as my family and their contributions to NZ culture are many. Also there are areas that are to this day significantly Bohemian so on and so on. By the by my family has been here since 1842 and there is not ONE drop of English blood in me. Or Maori.

          • Dave

            Polish, think Germany, as hard as they tried to unite, they fought, they built a wall to keep them apart, the people tore it down and united. Sure, a lot of time and other change as well, but the rhetoric, as long as you FORCE unity, it wont work.

            But, one proud culture, welcoming others, taking a lead, now thats something I might WANT to know more of and learn from. What are the examples I see today Polish, what is the headlines, in our courts, is being rammed down my throat daily, weekly……..?

          • Polish Pride

            Oh yes I completely agree. It might not have been clear in my post but I do see this change or shift in thinking needing to come from Maori. If they are able to do this they will have a far better chance of obtaining the outcome they want for both the Maori culture and the language.

          • Dave

            EXACTLY, it must come from within, inner strength, as JB says (again) Personal Responsibility.

            Change starts now, Personal PRIDE, Pride in ones Culture, pride in ones conduct, then roping in the outliers, or casting them aside…..

            No amount of government intervention, laws, funding or handouts will ever change it.

          • Mr_Blobby

            The current maori language is a bullshit made up language with even less credibility than Klingon another bull shit made up language.

            Do you really think that there was a maori word for Social Welfare, or Child Youth and Family, or ministry of.

            The only difference between the two is that more people speak Klingon than maori and Klingon does not require any public funding, from any source, people learn it on there own accord because they want to.

          • Polish Pride

            studied the Maori Language and culture quite extensively then have you Mr Blobby…………?

          • Mr_Blobby

            More extensively than I would have, thanks to the family historian. If my great grandfather heard modern maori he would probably ask what the fools were talking about.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            Just silly. Read again – I mentioned ‘a’ Maori – you!

          • Rangi

            So the distinction between that & normal person is what?

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            Are you inferring that you are not normal, Rangi?

          • Rangi

            …your answer please…

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            I need an answer first Rangi, as it will qualify why you see yourself as not normal, or what you see as normal.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            Come in Rangi….are you there Rangi….
            I think he’s hung up.

          • Rangi

            Nope still here, you made the distinction, you have not explained it. Why?

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            Actually no, I did not make any distinction – you did, you mentioned ‘normal’ not me.

          • Dave

            Rangi Look widely, please also cast an eye over the stats, no one needs to attack the Maori culture, A lot of maori are unfortunately doing a fine of destroying it themselves. Its left to some maori, and a hell of a lot of White Mother Fuckers and their money to fix it.

          • Rangi

            Bang up job with the “fixing” Dave, You must be proud.

          • Dave

            Rangi. Truth is I couldn’t give a rats about Maori language, or for that matter, Samoan, Tongan, Cantonese, Mandarin, Bahasha Malay, French German etc. I live in a country where English is the spoken language, and it is recognized the world over. Even in some remote parts of Asia, a fair few people you come across have conversational english.

            Its up to each of the cultures to keep their own language alive, promote it and treasure it, and keep it alive. I have learnt the basics (very basic) of a few languages to visit different countries, German, French and Mandarin were most useful, but Maori is not that useful to me.

            Dont get me wrong, Maori does have its place, but it seems to receive too much mainstream attention (and funding) given it is by far a minority language.

          • johnbronkhorst

            In fact, I read somewhere that English is the most commonly spoken language in the world (one reason ALL pilots speak it).
            Not necessarily their first language, but spoken all the same!

          • Dave

            Off topic, sorry, but in the early 90’s I was working in China, near the Mongolian border, every night I ate at a small restaurant that resembled a small garage and they cooked and cleaned outside on the street. The second day I was there, a local couple approached me and we conversed in very broken english / Mandarin. The dialect was different and english was easier, anyway, they asked me to chat to them and in particular their young daughter for a few minutes over dinner. Here was a poor family living near Mongolia who wanted their daughter to learn English. It was a really nice experiance to know that the most basic of things we take for granted can be useful and so valued and appreciated by others. No money changed hands, no favours apart from seeing this young girl start to speak some perfectly formed english words, and many laughs and smiles.

          • AnonWgtn

            Was in China recently and except the elderly, particularly the young, asked would we please speak English, as they learn it at almost every school as a second language. They approached us just for a minute of time.
            Why not Maori ?

          • IWantToBeLikeMallardOneDay

            So you are admitting the problems in Maoridom are cultural?

    • LionKing

      You’re quite the nasty mother fucker aren’t you just.

      • Rangi

        You have read the blog above haven’t you?

      • Donovan Jackson

        In fairness, he is responding in kind to rather nasty implications about his entire people…

        • johnbronkhorst

          Bull shit! suggest you read it again.

          • Donovan Jackson

            It’s hard not to draw an inference from Whale’s post that all Maori smoke (a lot do), that they think banning words will solve their problems (which shows some as being stupid, which is no doubt the case…but lots of people of all kinds are stupid), that they beat their kinds (you know what goes here) etc. The post is inflammatory. If someone said ‘White motherfuckers have been raping our lands and ripping us off for centuries, and all of a sudden you want me to play along with their puritanical bullshit’, for example, I think we’d all feel the same sort of sting that Rangi does.
            The couple Maori folk I’m mates with don’t beat their kids, abuse booze or smoke. Just sayin’.

          • johnbronkhorst

            review the stats. do some research BEFORE you open your mouth.
            Nobody says ALL maori are like this, and I don’t believe it is the responsibility of Rangi or your mates to fix the problem…..I believe the problem and it’s solution can be summed up by 2 words PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY …take it and you get ahead don’t and your life stalls and bad things result!!

          • Donovan Jackson

            I have read all about it John; all I am saying is that while Rangi may not have taken the high road by any means, it should be possible to understand his vituperative response.

          • Dave

            +100000000000 from me JB. Personal Responsibility Plus a guiding hand from the old and wise heads in a- community group, family (whanau) helping and keeping everyone on track. Not racist, but a look at the way a lot in the Asian culture operate, grandparents looking after the grandkids while the parents work, kids having extended lessons etc from parents and grandparents, then the language, often their native Asian language (sometimes two) are fluent at home, and perfect english outside of home.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            While I want to agree with you DJ, I can’t; Cam, in this instance, has merely extrapolated a theme – namely removing words from a dictionary as a solution to stop a problem. If you read the post as it is without reading in any inuendo from past posts, then I think this is a fair post.

          • Donovan Jackson

            Fair enough – and see below answer to JB for context on where I’m coming from…

          • Chris

            Yes, it was the banning words bit that made me wonder. Nobody’s saying this so it’s hard to see where the meaning is. It would’ve been better to have critiqued the “banning everything that moves” culture and used banning tupeka as an example of that.

          • Dave

            DJ One of the core issues here (in my opinion) is this is maori language week, and the state (you and I and thousands of other net taxpayers) have poured millions and millions into the maori language, yet it still languishes, and yet a LOT of maori blame the government and europeans. We have Maori names of places taking priority over the given english name, Whanganui is an example, what a fuss about nothing. The point, and I tried to make it by my comparison using the asian culture / values as an example, nothing will change till the owners of a particular language and indeed culture take OWNERSHIP and RESPONSIBILITY (as JB correctly points out) and extend that to their cultures values etc etc.

            Daily we are subject to various things around that culture, and I accept there is some overflow from that in response to Rangi, especially from me. However, the answer is for that group, culture or sub culture, to stand proud, work, move on, quietly progress and just be the best they can. My pets never bite the hand that feeds them, I never cheat the tax man, i never abuse the system. Again, It comes down to JB’s comment, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, and working out how to progress, to get ahead. Most of what i take from Rangi’s posts is there is little personal responsibility. Happy for others to correct me or add/call me out on this.

            Rangi could have (and still can) post a few positives about the maori language, some useful words and meanings for us.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

            Maori could hardly bother voting in a by-election, they hardly bother keeping their own language alive too.

          • Dave

            And, unfortunately, that is entirely factual, and sad at the same time.

          • Rangi

            Oh yes because all other electorates have stellar turnouts don’t they?
            There you go with blanket statements about “Maori” again – fucking simpleton

          • Mr_Blobby

            Hey Ranki why don’t you follow me, I could do with another stalker.

          • Get a grip

            Dont waste your breath Rangi, the rednecks here wouldn’t understand a reasoned argument if it jumped up and smacked them on the nose!

          • Get a grip

            Perhaps they didnt vote as they figured it was a foregone conclusion for the Labour replacement candidate to win. Cant see any correlation between their voting and keeping their own language tho. Perhaps you could enlighten us on this ‘so obvious; link? :-))

          • Donovan Jackson

            Well said Dave; look, I know all about entitlement mentality (it drove me from Saffaland to paradise, so it can’t all be bad ;-)) but I can also quite readily understand how Rangi might take offense and have a kneejerk response to some pretty aggressive provocation. Personal responsibility FTW always – but telling people they’re useless scum won’t solve anything. I have experience of this – my pappy told me I was useless from the day I could understand things and I behaved that way. Only when mates at uni age (I didn’t get to attend, but made friends who did) encouraged me, did things turn around.
            I was one of those who checked ‘expelled from school’ in the poll, BTW ;-).

          • Dave

            DJ Like you, my schooling was less than ideal. I started uni when i was in my 30’s, and continued until almost 50 (on and off as topics.issues dictated). At some point in ones life, we say Fuck it, time to fix this or that, and not suffer from our pasts no matter how bad they were.

            lets think of that sentiment, and think of the Maori culture, language etc. Nothing will change until that change comes from within. How did the europeans feel about the Japanese 40-50 years ago. Now we all appreciate and recognise the wrongs, we want to visit their country, drive their cars, eat their food etc, and there was no treaty, no ongoing………. Yet, the treaty was centuries ago, and still………..

          • Donovan Jackson

            I have a theory (quite likely a seriously naive and flawed one) that the Crown just puts up with the bullshit and the payments because its less hassle and cheaper than any other alternative (civil unrest, the wrong sorts of headlines and international leftist sentiment, yadda yadda). That, of course, perpetuates the problem. If there is money to be made via a handy taniwha or benny or whatever, why not take it….

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

          Maori are the largest group of smokers, they also kill more of their kids and bash more of them too.

          • Donovan Jackson

            Yep, I know – but it is remiss to say or imply they all do it.

          • Dave

            no-one said all…… group is not all, too many are reading too much into others words DJ

          • Donovan Jackson

            It is hard to avoid the implication in the original post; I merely think of what my couple Maori mates would feel like if they were to read that. I don’t think they would feel warm and fuzzy.

          • Dave

            DJ, I too have some maori friends, progressive, intelligent, helpful, one runs a very large company and employs over 100 people, his term for SOME of Maori, F…ing theiving Maori or plenty worse. I have total admiration for him, a tough upbringing, one of 8 kids, but a stay at home mum who taught them all she knew, and insisted on an education, manners and good behavior. This chap is a bit ashamed of SOME maori, as I am of certain europeans. But, he doesn’t sit round blaming anyone or waiting for another handout, or blaming the treaty, he and a lot of others, just get on with the task at hand. I am serious in saying, admiration for those giving others a hand up, not a hand out.

          • Donovan Jackson

            Dave, how do you think he would respond if he were to read the post and the comments? Would you invite him to do so? I won’t for my mates (and these guys have similar viewpoints to your mate, BTW).

          • LionKing

            Plus they’re the largest tuckers for govt welfare, so despite untold millions (if not billions) of dollars being spent on Maori to help them “improve their lot” they continue to suck on the public teat, only taking a quick smoke break.

          • Get a grip

            Um err, the stats dont agree with you? Pakehas kill more of their kids than Maoris do!

      • Polish Pride

        Which comments of Rangis are you basing that on? I went back and read each one and can’t really see how anyone could draw the conclusion you did. You might not agree with him but not agreeing with him doesn’t make him a ‘nasty mother fucker’ In fact it is more likely if anything to make you appear as such.

    • Arran Hunt

      You’re a vegetarian?

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

      How did the steak get on the tray fool? 3D Printed?

      • OT Richter

        Is that you B.A. Baracus?

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

          I pity the fool who thinks meat at a supermarket as never killed.

          • Rangi

            Yes but killed by others in a controlled environment. They being the murderers, not you – Fool,

          • Polish Pride

            As an ex vegan I have more respect for someone that eats meat and does the killing themselves vs someone who could not and only ever buys prepackaged meat from the supermarket.
            Ever been fishing or collected seafood Rangi?

          • OT Richter

            Of course he has -it’s his right to ignore quota and pillage the ocean.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

            So people who eat meat are accessories to murder?

    • Mr_Blobby

      Try this on Ranki.

      Why don’t you do all your postings in maori. Proper maori, not English with the odd token maori word thrown in.

      That way the 99% of us that don’t give a shit, don’t have to listen to you.

      How relevant is a language that has to be translated. If it means that much to you fund it yourself.

      How about you also fess up about who you work for and who is funding your participation in this Blog.

      • Dave

        a thought Mr B, if there was a post here in french, german, malaysian or even Africans there would probably be more WOBH readers able to read and comprehend it than if it was in Maori.

        That would be an interesting statistic, perhaps a survey.

    • Bad__Cat

      Racist Rangi’s commenting on a general topic.
      Pass the Tui.

  • motorizer

    its funny…. when you here other cultures speak and they have no word in their own language for an english word they just say that word in english. When this occurs in maori they make that english word SOUND like a maori word and act as though they always HAD a word for it.

    • manuka416

      That’s a bit ignorant, motorizer. Adoption and adaption of words from other languages is common in language development. Thousands of words used in the English language are not of English origin, i.e. loan words.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_English_loanwords_by_country_or_language_of_origin

      • Dave

        For once, i agree with you there Manuka. Lets think for a moment of ……. Internet – not existent 30 (ish) years ago. Maori can adapt names to their language as well.

      • motorizer

        apparently we white people dont have a word for “mana” or “kia ka ha” but we dont go and try to spell it “marner” or “keyer karher”….

    • johnbronkhorst

      Not really a valid answer as English has assimilated French words, Dutch words, German words, Italian words etc and whose modern version is based on Latin.
      However a better argument would be that, in order for the Maori language to be relevant it requires a Maori language week. It requires significant funds to be put into it by non Maori speakers to keep it viable (Te Reo etc). Other languages, outside of English are kept viable by the cultures they belong to.
      Having said that, I believe immigrants to NZ should speak English as their PRIMARY language and keep their First language alive themselves.

    • Phil

      Not to mention the words were probably made up by a skinny bearded white male (or female) deep inside university, far far from the real world.

  • williamabong

    Here’s a couple more –

    HONE – A worthless piece of shit masquerading as a politician, pretends to have the interests of Maori as his centrepiece, when in fact all he want to do is blow smoke up “white folks” arses about how he’s hot shit when all the time he’s just a warmed up fart.

    HARIWIRA – The bastardised marty name given to the HATFIELD family, a tightly grouped scum family of criminals and bullies clustered under the leadership of a self appointed scrawny old crone.

    • Dave

      William, you spelt it wrong, the spelling has changed to HateField to reflect his thought towards WMF’s Like the flags on a wide load, its to serve as a warning of his hatred of us whities and any others who get at him or his gang /family, and the trappings our culture brought to his people.

  • Whafe

    Is the word for butter in Maori not putter? I remember reading that somewhere, I still laugh at that one…

  • Phil

    Maybe they should ban maori words for Domestic Violence at the same time to fix that little problem.

    Perhaps there is no maori word for baby killer and so therefore the concept doesn’t exist.

  • Rangi

    This is, without doubt, the most vile piece of trash writing I have discovered in modern NZ public arena. It associates National with the good old days of the poster below. Any support of this horrible piece is a clear indication of the quality of you as a person.

    Don’t ignore that little voice in your head telling you this is not on.

    • johnbronkhorst

      Were you even born when this came out ? I agree it is shameful! But it is from 1972!

      • Travis Poulson

        Sorry, Rangi bro doesn’t have anything current or relevant. Wouldn’t surprise me if he drives everywhere backwards looking in the rear vision mirror either.

        • Rangi

          No Travis, the easiest of observations escapes you once more. The poster demonstrates where Cam gets his warped social compass calibrated. From his dad who was part of this horrible lot – Its the only discernible reason for his rampant racism

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

            I am not racist…there is no racism in this post…just simple facts…you can google them all.

            If it is now racist to tell the truth…well..knock me down with feather.

          • Rangi

            first caps post ever – SO ALL MAORI CAN BE THE TARGETS OF YOUR OBSERVATIONS? – YES APPARENTLY, how else can you describe that but as racist?

            I credited you with professionalism, or has depression taken hold again? With the loss of the Truth gig, that can be excused, your piece of shit writing can not.

          • Dave

            Rangi, that is so so ironic, here you are, on Camerons Blog, the highest rating blog in NZ, and you have a go at him, he who puts his funds, his name and picture out there, He is not hiding behind anything.

            WOW Rangi, that is so ironic, would you like ot come clean about anything.

          • Rangi

            Yes Dave, 3 matters, 1, This is none of your business, 2, My life is in tact, Cam’s is fucked. 3, Anonymity is a luxury I choose to enjoy, Cam doesn’t.

          • Dave

            Now that I have stopped laughing and picked myself up, my response Rangi.

            An observation: YOu posted your comments in a section open to all on cams blog which is open to all, I can respond if I want to, if Cam objects to my comments I will apologise to him and withdraw.

            Cam IS NZ’s most successful Blogger and runs the most successful blog in NZ, had a great and successful career, was editor of Truth (go back and read the posts on why it stopped, also the recent reports of the scum DIRECTORS not paying staff, PRIOR TO CAM JOINING) add to that successful radio commenter, media commenter, the list goes on.

            I admire cam personally, and professionally.

            Now, I am anonymous on here, several commentators and Cam know who I am.

            You are also anonymous, yet you call him out cause you don’t agree with his comments, and you call him out on his personal blog which he pays for.

            As to Cam being Fucked, i suggest you come back and take a look in a few years, i hope he retains the No.1 title, and his blog empire prospers., and you Rangi, will still probably be an anonymous …………….

          • Rangi

            Jesus, why don’t you just blow him & be done with it? “Successful Blogger” is a clear contradiction of terms..

            Sure, I’ll wait a few years for success to come to a “Blogger” but in the mean time, I’ll enjoy the success I’ve created for myself.

          • Mr_Blobby

            What success your just some nob that the rest of us play and amuse ourselves with.

          • Rangi

            You again? I wandered when you were going to come out from under your rock to “contribute”. If you’ve finished, please crawl back, it disturbs me knowing you’re stealing the oxygen of decent people.

          • Mr_Blobby

            Answer the question Ranki.

            Why don’t you do all your postings in maori. Proper maori, not English with the odd token maori word thrown in.

            That way the 99% of us that don’t give a shit, don’t have to listen to you.

            How relevant is a language that has to be translated. If it means that much to you fund it yourself.

            How about you also fess up about who you work for and who is funding your participation in this Blog.

          • Rangi

            What question?, I could post in Maori but….whats the point? My job is a private affair & the participation bit is conducive to active debate. Everybody could just go along with the circle jerk, but that would reduce Cam’s page visits.

            Sated yet? Crawl back now…

          • Travis Poulson

            Anonymity? But you’re the Rangi that publicly comments on his FB are you not? I’m not going to blow your cover, others can do that themselves by looking at his friends list.

          • Rangi

            Sorry, gave up FB about a year ago – wrong person.

          • williamabong

            It’s a shame your grammar is rooted though.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

            You ascribed racism to it all by yourself Rangi, went off in a rage and can’t face the facts that everything I wrote is a statement fo fact.

          • Rangi

            No, I took the lead from rockape, Donovan Jackson, Polish Pride & Andy C.

            Include myself & that makes 5 out of about 15 commentators. Reduce that to allow for the automatic bias of Yourself, Travis & Pete. That’s 5 out of 12. 40% who can see your post for what it is – A complete discredit to any decency you posses as a man.

          • Muffin

            There are a lot of us watching who cant be bothered commenting with you………….. because you are deluded, rasist and more than a little annoying.

          • Rangi

            …I’ll resist, its been a long day…

          • Pheremoans

            Add me to your supporters Rangi! Cam ought to be careful and keep an eye on sections 61 and 131 of the HR act and provisions against HATE SPEECH “unlawful to publish or distribute “threatening, abusive, or insulting…matter or words likely to excite hostility against or bring into contempt any group of persons…on the ground of the colour, race, or ethnic or national or ethnic origins of that group of persons.” Pretty clear breech to me… Does not allow for blogging I think, not yet anyway

          • Rangi

            …Interesting ;)

          • Travis Poulson

            If it doesn’t apply to Hone Harawera, it doesn’t apply here either. Breech is also part of a rifle, breach is the word you’re looking for.

          • Rangi

            Correcting Breach but mis-spelling Harawira……..again – Slow learning hypocrite aren’t ya Travis?

          • Travis Poulson

            Upsizing your shovel, fine by me.

          • Kahu

            I think the statute of limitations is only 6 years so if you want to go after him, you might want to get a move on.

          • Travis Poulson

            Busted with a fake, tut tut Rangi bro.

    • williamabong

      So the relevance of a 40 year old piece of rubbish is ? , and remember Rangi YOU posted this!!!

      • Dave

        So, extending relevance Rangi, how old is the treaty………

      • Polish Pride

        The relevance is that there is still massive amounts of underlying racism in this country and one could easily be forgiven for thinking that there are some who have not moved all that far from the advertisement above.

        • williamabong

          By racism you must mean one group in our society gaining an advantage over another because of their race, is that what you mean?

          • Polish Pride

            Nope that’s not what I mean but agree that that is definitely an issue too.

        • rockape

          Yes your right, but why single out NZ. Canada English v french,
          Britian West indian v white, indian v pakestani. German Former east v west. Tribal warfare in any African Country. Yes NZ has its fair share ,Pick any recent immigrants, Somalian Iranian,Philipino,indonesian and I will find someone brown or white with a prejedice. Me , I hate the Welsh!

          • Polish Pride

            Why single out New Zealand. I don’t I hate all racism it is in my view pure evil and the height of ignorance where ever it is found.
            Interestingly a certain Wellington Taxi Company had an unwritten policy of not allowing any African drivers into its fleet under any circumstances as recently as 4 years ago. This policy no longer exists but much of the thinking behind it still remains.

        • Hazards001

          You mean that’s not next years slogan? Well…..bugger!

    • rrroberto

      Rangi, the text below the headline is hard to read.I worked on the 1972 election, for the winning candidate in Mt Eden, so that was not the party as shown in your poster. I never ever saw or heard of such a poster, though I do recall the slogan at the bottom. I would think that this headline would be impossible to have been sanctioned by a National Party led by Major Sir John Marshall, who was known by all as Gentleman Jack for good reason. So is this a genuine National Party Poster, a fake, or a genuine poster from some fringe group. I vaguely recall some activity at that time by a National Socialist Party of NZ. If you are associating this headline with the National Party, then it would be great if you can show that its association with National is bona fide.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

        It is fake and has been acknowledged as such in numerous forums…it was I believe first published in Craccum as a stunt.

        But Rangi clutches at all sort of conspiracies…this is just another of them…he should go back to being concerned about the Bilderberg Group, chemtrails and the global Jewish financial conspiracy.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

      It is even fake too for complete outrage.

      • orotau
        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

          yup…knew it was a university

      • Rangi

        Fake huh? You’re a blogger Cam, frequently taking liberties with truth & accountability. This poster is not my creation. The public must decide for themselves how “fake” it is & what damage it does to whom

        • Travis Poulson

          So planting a shell casing would be perfectly acceptable by your standards. Can’t let the truth get in the way of a good argument now can we.

          • Rangi

            No its not, but then the Police do many things wrong that result in prosecutions. Just look at Chris Kahui.

          • Travis Poulson

            Irrelevant, the point I was getting at is using false evidence to support your argument.

          • Rangi

            And the point Im making is that Cam & yourselves use “Bloggers license” with impunity, without retraction, consideration or respect. Don’t now grizzle because those tactics are deployed by others.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Petal

            Rangi, Pete here. You’re having a good run at this, but if taken to its conclusion, it’ll end in tears. If you like coming here to wind people up, then you must also know when to stop so you can come do it again another day. There have been many ad hominem attacks by you on this post. You have even dragged family into it. All those are no-no’s on a good day. You’ve had your latitude, now “hit the showers”, and we’ll see you on the next post. Yes?

          • Rangi

            I don’t mean to wind people up, respect is usually a default setting for me, But Im not above getting into the grubby stuff if adequately provoked.

            It is distressing that Cam does not seem to be held to account for tarring you all with the same despicable brush.

            I’ll chill a bit now – good advice :)

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Petal

            “It is distressing that Cam does not seem to be held to account for tarring you all with the same despicable brush.”

            Oh, I think you’ve had a good run at it, don’t you think? But I appreciate you calling it a day on this one.

            One thing will always be true: his blog, his rules. This isn’t a level playing ground, and to expect or demand it is a waste of time.

          • Rangi

            So high standards & consistency should not be expected or aspired to?
            I thought the blog belonged more to the contributors than Cam, if not, whats the point in soliciting commentary?

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Petal

            It is what it is Rangi. I have no idea why the operation of the blog should meet your own expectations of it. All I know is that it is the personal blog of Cameron Slater, and that he can do anything he likes with it. And importantly: consistency, although nice, isn’t a requirement. Neither is fairness. Nor is a level playing ground.

            Nothing happens in a vacuum, so we measure our “success” by how many people continue to come back, out of their own free will, to read this blog. We make small course changes all the time.

            I operate a few rules in the comments sections. No personal attacks. No bringing in family or other non-combattants. No deliberate attempts to damage the blog. And yes, these don’t apply to Cam. If he goes feral, and does so in a way that makes everyone flinch, we’ll lose some of our very hard-won and extremely valued audience. That’s how we pay for any mistakes me make.

            The nature of the blog is to provide stark contrast on contentious issues, frequently from Cam’s point of view. It’s what Cam does, it’s why most of us like to return to see what he has to say.

            That’s really about it. If you can’t, or won’t, grasp this, you’ll continue to be frustrated by it.

          • Rangi

            Nope – not complaining, happy to work within those rules. As I said, I do the grubby stuff as well as the next guy, albeit not my preference. Nuance & subtlety is a better medium but.. y’know…

            This is what It all boils down to – Cam was out of line and for reasons only known to him, he will not acknowledge it

          • Polish Pride

            It raises an interesting point for philosophical consideration…
            Has Whaleoil become a ‘love mark’ and can a blog become a ‘love mark’. Does it matter.

            (just in case google Kevin Roberts Love Marks)

          • Hazards001

            Fucking bush lawyers! Thought this might interest you,posted it a few mins ago.(and edited the original as I was watching)

            Pheremoans to Rangi

            Add me to your supporters Rangi! Cam ought to be careful and keep an eye on sections 61 and 131 of the HR act and provisions against HATE SPEECH “unlawful to publish or distribute “threatening, abusive, or insulting…matter or words likely to excite hostility against or bring into contempt any group of persons…on the ground of the colour, race, or ethnic or national or ethnic origins of that group of persons.” Pretty clear breech to me… Does not allow for blogging I think, not yet anyway

            EDIT: A fucking veiled threat is a threat as far as I’m concerned. There is no hate speech except of course in the eyes of those that want to be offended.

          • Rangi

            You Narky little bitch! – You’ll never live that one down you pillock!

            What makes you think Pete isn’t smart enough to spot it himself?

          • Hazards001

            What makes you think he’s going to trawl through a hundred and seventy comments every hour most of them yours.
            A threat is a threat and your response was complicate collusion.
            As to living it down in what sense do you think I’d be embarrassed?
            You know nothing about me but if you were someone that did know me you’d know one thing. I’m viciously loyal to family and friends and my country. (Not that I’m claiming Cam or anyone else on here fits that..they don’t. I’ve never met him or anyone else here and never will)
            Go have another self righteous indignant cry about the mean white people.
            That’s your whole existence.

          • Rangi

            I know what you have proven yourself to be, that is sufficient.

            I couldn’t detect a threat – If people break the law they should be accountable, do you not agree?

            And nobody likes a showpony narky douche no matter how you spin it

          • Travis Poulson

            Heh, where is this?

          • Hazards001

            in this thread..up I think.

          • Travis Poulson

            You’re as bad as that unsol, you spend time and space arguing and pointing out alleged tactics that you employ yourselves. That paper clipping is a perfect example of that. You can’t expect anyone to take you seriously or believe anything when you pull stunts like that. Also noted that you’re complaining on a blog that you don’t have to read, like going to someones house and telling them how they should be arranging their furniture. As for the personal comments about Cam, depression etc…low blows like that are out of line.

            A few of the other regular readers that suffer from depression probably aren’t that impressed either.

          • Rangi

            Is your advocacy of racism deliberate? Cam’s entire post here is out of line! Just like breaking suppression laws here is out of line! Yet I see no retraction or clarification of what was meant.

            Like you, Cam reveals a childish petulance at digging in heels instead of reconsideration of what was said.

          • Travis Poulson

            Advocating racism? telling the truth about the problems facing maoridom isn’t advocating racism. As for the post, it’s his post and his blog so asking me is pointless. To steal a quote from Pete’s earlier comment:

            “One thing will always be true: his blog, his rules. This isn’t a level playing ground, and to expect or demand it is a waste of time.”

            The sooner you accept that the better, this blog doesn’t run under MMP where the whining minority get their way. Personally I’d accept and expect the same treatment if I went over to The Standard, rather than hover around like a mosquito being an irritation complaining about something that won’t change rather than accept it.

            By all means keep complaining, but it won’t get you anywhere, I can assure you of that much.

        • Euan Ross-Taylor

          So to come forward from some distant decade of a doubtfully authentic political poster to the present, you would be evn more outraged at a Maori politician referring to a national Government as “White Mother f……rs”?

          • Rangi

            I was – nearly five years ago when it happened.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            Then treat us with the same respect that you want. Your cause it not lost on most of us, but your abusive arrogance does you no favours, I refer you to your first comment on this post.

          • Rangi

            For balance – Lambaste Cam with the vitriol I received (moreso for being the instigator) then I may consider what you say. I think Im being a tad restrained personally.

          • Euan Ross-Taylor

            When you made your original comment which was vile and personal, Cam had done nothing more than make a point that removing words from a dictionary will not help solve real problems. It would seem that you may have read more into the post than what was written. I humbly suggest you need to consider that you may have over reacted and mistakenly thought he was Maori-bashing. I think you will admit that the words he included in the post are real current issues in your/our NZ culture (I include myself as I identify as a New Zealander), all of which would be ludicrous to think could be addressed by removing them from the Maori dictionary.

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil
        • Muffin

          I vote fake, I vote that you are quite likely retarded as well Rangi

    • Rex Widerstrom

      Rangi, that poster is a (well known, I thought) fake, from 1973 edition of the Massey University capping magazine Masskerade. Another “National” poster read “Norman Kirk farts in the bath” :-D

      See: http://www.listener.co.nz/commentary/the-internaut/revealed-national-1972-%E2%80%9Cnigger%E2%80%9D-campaign-advertisement-source/

  • williamabong

    The real sad thing here is Rangi comes here to spout the the diatribe, but when he gets asked questions he can’t or wont answer them, so to you Rangi goes the award for “Bullshitter of the Week” a title I’m sure you will have no trouble living with, then again you could always redeem yourself and answer some of the questions.

    • Rangi

      What question did you want an answer to? None go unanswered below so what are you on about?

      • williamabong

        Who is owed, what are they owed and by who, simple enough questions, even for you.

      • Dave

        Rangi, go to the top of this discussion, read the questions and please answer them, not divert, stall, just an honest direct to the point answer please. oh, reasonably on topic too.

        PS: there are always examples or sexist or discriminatory adverts in the past, the one you use above is over 30 years old. Hell, in the oil industry we used a bikini clad women spread over a drum of oil in advertising, now times have changed, 99% of us have moved on Rangi, and i (we) cringe at some of the things we did years ago. but we move on Rangi……….. Progress!

  • williamabong

    Tui wins again

    • Dave

      Why not start Hokoi’s at 1.00 pm on Saturdays, meet all Saturday arvo, evening, continue Sunday morning after a 7.00 am prayer session, wrap up at 12noon on Sunday, feast till 1.00 pm, then the delegates (troughers) can still make it to Koru for their flight home. Better still, a few cameras, interactive screens and it could become a virtual Hikoi, BYO own popcorn and pork pies.

    • Andy C

      Could I just ask a quick question Williamabong: do you view this Tui mock up as racist?

      • williamabong

        Not at all, they should perhaps have the next one on a weekend, much easier to get there.

        • Andy C

          The joke is that maori are not working, so why would they have the next one on a weekend?

          • williamabong

            Not at all just a simple statement that some people couldn’t make it due to work, it’s you that put the racist spin on it.

          • Polish Pride

            Oh so you see it as a statement of simple fact and not even as a joke let alone a racist one….?

          • williamabong

            Hell no, to do otherwise would be racist.

          • Andy C

            And seeing as you were totally full of it, I guess that makes you a …. ?

          • williamabong

            Yes but as the two of you are as equally full of shit I am inclined to dismiss it as the rantings of an idiot.

          • Andy C

            That’s not taking it on the chin William. Try again.

          • Polish Pride

            See Andy’s reply above, I couldn’t have summed it up more perfectly.

          • motorizer

            It could be applied to any election. It just happened to be maori. Which is relevant.

          • Andy C

            What a load of rubbish William. The entire concept behind a Tui add is that they are NOT simple statements that are read and taken literally. You are full of it i’m afraid.

          • williamabong

            You are probably justified in being afraid, if I shared your outlook on life I would struggle to even leave the house.

          • Andy C

            See now i dont know whether to take that seriously, or whether it is just another completely made up pile of nonsense from you william.

            You’ve made a dreadful attempt at pretending you didn’t mean something, that we all know you did. Take it on the chin buddy.

          • Dave

            WINZ dont open on weekends.

  • rockape

    Hey guys why all the vitriol at Rangi. I dont agree with all he says but then I am a scot and dont have the same viewpoint a him. But am a bit surprised at what I am reading here. I hoped we were a bit above that. Above all else I respect peoples viewpoint even when I take an opposed view.

    • Dave

      Rocky, i take the point, but a lot of what I see is Rangi baiting and half answering points, a habit of his/hers from way back. What might seem like picking on him/her is (from my perspective) calling him/her out on the half answers, or missed points. just my thoughts, happy to be called on it.

      the old adage….. cap, head…… fit!

    • Donovan Jackson

      I read that in a Scottish accent.

    • williamabong

      Absolutely, right at the start of this discussion I asked Rangi a simple question –

      “So Rangi enlighten us, why should Maori be recognised as one of our country’s official languages??” this question mains un-answered.

      Later I asked, twice – “You still haven’t answered the question, who is owed, why, and how much,? don’t be evasive just simple answers will suffice.”

      Still no answers to simple basic questions that sit right at the bottom of this entire debate, all Rangi has added is whole bunch of obtuse diatribe, like –

      “A question better answered by your democratically elected Government who speak on behalf of the Crown who acknowledge constant obligation.”

      With crap answers like that I will continue to call him out.

  • rockape

    I hope there are no Welshmen here. Now there is a language that has had billions spent on it. All road signs in two languages Immersion schools TV and radio channels government forms in two languages and even less people speak it. In NZ some try and speak a few words, I do ,if badly but you wont find English doing that in WALES. As for a dead language try Gaelic I think my only words of my own language i can say is Kiss my arse !

  • Time For Accountability

    Te Tari Taake = IRD slogan

    It means there is no Tari in the Takee.

  • thor42

    More Te Reo –

    “puha hiko” – electric puha.

    Meh…. “dak” is shorter…… :)

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