Media continue the faux outrage

The media continue to make themselves the story in attempting to pursue John Key.

Apparently the inquiry that the opposition called for, the media demanded is now the “sound was of the democratic fabric being ripped asunder”.

So far John Armstrong is the most outraged using all sorts of metaphors to try to describe one little inquiry as some affront to democratic traditions.

Thrown together in the rabbit warren which passes for the parliamentary complex – a veritable hothouse fuelled by rampant ego, unrequited ambition, never-ending rumour and constant intrigue – MPs and media nevertheless have to establish a degree of trust for their mutually parasitic relationship to function effectively.

That trust works on many levels, be it MPs feeling they can talk off-the-record confident they will not be shopped to their superiors, to journalists respecting embargoes, to Cabinet ministers not blocking the release of sensitive documents sought by media under the Official Information Act.

That trust can take a long time to establish. It can be destroyed in a matter of seconds.

Even so, when trust does break down, it usually amounts to little more than a pin-prick on the fabric of democracy.

Not so this week, however. The prevailing sound was of the democratic fabric being ripped asunder.  

The trawling of a Press Gallery reporter’s phone logs by parliamentary authorities is a breach of trust of such mega proportions that it may well place a lingering chill on politician-journalist contact.

What a load of horse-shit.

Presumably John Armstrong had to surreptitiously write his article away from the prying eyes of government censors standing over journalists in the press gallery? His editor had to avoid the jack-booted goon standing in the corner of his office and they had to print the paper from an undisclosed location in order to get the story out?

Or perhaps they are massively over egging a rather silly little pudding massively. If the very fabric of democracy was being ripped asunder surely they would have trouble even reporting on this, the radio and television stations would be screening documentaries of our glorious past leaders in place of real news.

These guys know not what they enjoy. They are being shown up for the petulant and pathetic howlers that they are.

Of course what goes unsaid is that in New Zealand at the moment the media are the opposition.

Now what is more of a affront to democratic freedoms than an activist unelected media intent on a political agenda trying to overthrow the democratically elected Prime Minister by white-anting him through their publications?

I’m reminded of a song that applies equally to the media as well as to Wayne Eagleson and his pals.

  • thor42

    FFS. Hear that? That’s the sound of me yawning about the media “faux outrage”. Maybe I should be outraged at the “faux outrage” but I can’t be bothered.

  • Macca

    Armstrong was one of the main reasons I stopped reading the Horrid on line because of his pathetic rants. Reading extracts above just reinforces those sentiments. I wonder how much business (both advertising and sales revenue), he has cost his paymasters? Yep, he sure is a trained journalist alright! TWAT!

    • GazzW

      Just a sad old journo hanging on to get his super. Unfortunately the Herald has too many of them for its own good. Age was never an issue when print was king because they brought new information to the table and wrote brilliantly. Alas, now in most cases age is an issue as they struggle to survive in an ever increasing environment of irrelevance. Bitterness and cynicism is no substitute for good journalism.

      • Rodger T

        The print media now is always a day late and a dollar short.

  • Patrick

    Vance’s employer is a private organisation (Fairfax), how is it the phone logs & email correspondence of an employee of Fairfax came to be in the possession of Parliamentary Services? This is how it is being represented. Or is it more the case that the correspondence to & from Peter Dunne has been revealed, specifically that of Ms Vance?

    • Mr_Blobby

      Did she operate out of Parliament and use there facilities. Then they would have access to everything.

      Interesting the security measures were put into place for safety reasons, but have been more useful for breaching personal privacy.

      If you give up your privacy for perceived safety, you will have neither.

      • Phill

        If your in a building that uses swipe card access, your dreaming if you think your movements aren’t being monitored or stored for later reporting.
        and isn’t it a laugh that an ex news of the world reporter is mad as hell about phone and email records being intercepted……nigga please!
        Move along people…nothing to see here

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

      Because Fairfax like other media bludge free services including phones off of the state.

      The solution to all this is easy…they can rent their own offices, provide their own phones and fuck off.

      • Mr_Blobby

        Finally you have something constructive to add to the discussion.

        • Muffin

          Unlike you who has just prattled on like some sort of demented media groupie.

      • Patrick

        Unbelievable, so the taxpayer subsidises the employees of a private organisation – & a foreign owned one at that. Where is Winnie Peters? As you say they should provide their staff with company tools as any other private organisation is obliged to do.

    • Liberty

      I don’t see the problem with Duns Mail .

      Peters has claimed he has had the mail for weeks.

      As we know Peters is a pure as the driven snow. And never
      ever tells porkies.

      So why are all in sundry getting there knickers in a knot now.

      It has never been explained why a spunky chick had such a
      close working relationship with an old loser.

      • Patrick

        Because the old loser with his mind addled by too many years suckling at the public tit somehow believed the so called “spunky chick” found his wit, charm & good looks irresistable. Unfortunately for the old loser a freight train called reality hit him square between the eyes – he was only of use to her as long as he had access to confidential information. No fool like an old fool.

    • Clairbare

      It is not clear (I think purposely not clear) exactly what phone logs were provided. Reading through the deliberately vague reporting the closest thing to a fact I can find is that phone calls between certain Ministers and or others within the parliamentary precinct to Ms Vances phone (not sure if that is her land line or her mob) were delivered. i.e. they were only internal parliamentary phone logs. This would be quite consistent with an internal investigation into any leak. The impression given (again I think deliberately so) was that 3 months worth of her calls to anybody anywhere were collected by the GCSB, in a Stasi style raid on her privacy. In the end as this report was shortly going to be released to the public anyway – her aim had to be to ensure a scoop for material gain for her and her organisation. I.e. they make more money that way, sell more advertising, copy etc.

      Any facts others have seen???

  • PlanetOrphan

    The media argue that democracy needs transparency to function
    John Key argues that democracy needs transparency to function

    The real argument is about who gets to enforce it and how …

    Conclusion: The media a full of shit at the moment, throwing their toys out of their cot.

  • Mr_Blobby

    Don’t forget Whale boy this all started with our spys,without proper oversight, breaking the law that governs them, then the Government trying to fix it by making it legal.

    The problem when you have that sort of power. The power to see/store/access all electronic communications there is no privacy and the ability for a dictator like situation to develop, where it is impossible for people to resist.

    Another program reveled that the NSA had been collecting phone records for 7 years. One year ago the head of the NSA told a senate committee in answer to a direct question, that No, they were not collecting the information, well maybe inadvertently, a straight out lie. It was also revealed that it may have prevented one terrorist attack in that time, the doubt being the the information originally came from the British.

    The Snowden revelations have stunned even the tinfoil hat brigade.

    • PlanetOrphan

      So how are Spys’ meant to operate ?
      If they are monitoring a conversation the implication it’s with a NZer.

      And garnering information about internal processes would be an obvious requirement of building a transparent/auditable process surely ?

      • Mr_Blobby

        They operate like everyone else, within the law.

        In reality we/they have little control over the process as all the information is collected and stored by the US. When they want something they put in a request for the information. There role is to support the US in the collection of the data.

        The argument of safety vs security is flawed, without privacy (secrets) how can you be safe, if someone in power can see everything about you and that power can and will be abused. I

        It is like living in a glass house with no curtains. The burglars can see everything.

        The depth of this has stunned even the tinfoil hat conspiracy nut jobs, so yes we should be more than a little concerned.

        • PlanetOrphan

          Agreed, but stuffing our heads in the sand wont help either, the Laws need better definition and precedent.

          I.E. The Media are arguing the wrong points, which invalidates their point and achieves nothing, because the process will be written regardless.

          • Mr_Blobby

            Nothing new there the media are good at arguing the wrong points.

            Yes the law does need better definition and precedent.

            But also there is absolutely no need for the urgency and rush put on this by the Government. Lets sit back have a cup of tea and think about it. It is time for a reasoned discussion, lets get it right and have everybody singing from the same song sheet.

          • PlanetOrphan

            And urgency has actually brought the “beltway issue” to the fore …

          • Mr_Blobby

            That is a matter of debate in itself. This whole debacle is taking on a life of its own there would have been no need for leaks if we had just had a frank, honest and open discussion.

          • PlanetOrphan

            True, but the motivation is directionless , and ultimately driven by those with things to hide ….

          • Mr_Blobby

            Exactly. So lets open it up and see what crawls out.

          • PlanetOrphan

            Indeed M8!

    • JeffDaRef

      The original problem was the shoddy laws said two different things (thanks Helen), so the Govt is giving it clarity – despite the huge beatup nothing much has changed from the version they were operating under, which they thought at the time to be legal.
      The stupid opposition and media have allowed crooked Dotcom to stir up all levels of shit to muddy the water and try to save his sorry arse!!

      • Mr_Blobby

        See my comment to Planet Orphan.

    • peterwn

      The Dotcom/ GSCB starting point is irrevelant. The starting point was the leaking of the Kitteridge report to Andrea Vance. Actually, IMO all the goings on must surely be starting to shed light on how Winston Peters got wind of who allegedly leaked the report.

      • Mr_Blobby

        Debatable, given that is the starting point.

        But the real problem is that to many people, making the decisions here, have to much to hide.

        So lets open it all up to some real sunlight, not some tightly controlled inquiry, and see what crawls out of the shit.

        • peterwn

          And what is it that John Key wants to hide? He has been amazingly open about all this. The GSCB problem existed under Helen Clark, it was just unlucky it blew up on his watch instead of Helen’s watch. It was unlucky for John that the Yanks sought extradition of Mr Dotcom when they did – extradition treaties and comity between mations required action from NZ. It would have been corrupt of John and his ministers to have tried blocking his extradition for political reasons.

          The opposition and the media are trying to pull down John’s and National’s popularity – funny thing – it is not working.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Petal

      “Don’t forget Whale boy this all started with our spys,without proper oversight, breaking the law that governs them”

      No.

      This all started with our spies following the law, as created by the Helen Clark government, and used by the Helen Clark government, and we have subsequently discovered it was poorly drafted and contradicts itself.

      So the amendments are to clear up this contradiction so that the Police, SIS and GCSB can continue to do what Helen Clark’s government intended, and this government continued.

      Your turn. Tell me where I’m wrong, if I’m wrong.

      • Mr_Blobby

        Tough to know where to start, to many people with shit to hide and far to many private agendas.

        Lets have open it up put everything on the table and have a proper discussion on the subject. Because so far all we, the public, have seen are limp wristed attempts to cover it up and hide it all away.

    • LesleyNZ

      Watch out Blobby – they will find you………….

      • Mr_Blobby

        If I don’t find them first.

  • Phar Lap

    Armstrong like most of his reporter mates are so used to creeping around other people,s rubbish bins and private affairs without a beg your pardon.Now he is out trying to defend the indefensible ,there is no such thing as a good reporter .They are all tainted and been exposed, such as the News of the World and its reporters.Until NZ newspapers give a balance to the news,no one will give a fiddlers **** to read or listen to ratbags like Vance,or Armstrong.Armstrong seems to be full of mad dog ****.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Except that the sheeple do read and listen to them.

  • JeffDaRef

    It seems John Key is about the only person not “outraged” – so for his calm in the face of hysteria, he has my vote in 2014!!

    • Mr_Blobby

      He is shitting his pants.

      • JeffDaRef

        Not at all – the emails clearly show the PMs department told Parliamentary Services the inquiry was happening and they should cooperate – but made it absolutely clear it applied to Ministers. The f*&kup happened in Parliamentary Services, which doesn’t work for the PM, they are independent.
        The opposition and media are trying to beat it up, but Key is the cleanest person there – based solely on the “evidence”.

        • Mr_Blobby

          He is shitting his pants.

          Really how independent do you really think they are.

          We did not read the emails, we did not request, look I just saw another pig fly past my window.

          • PlanetOrphan

            Not any more, he is delegating properly now.

            i.e he understands why

          • Mr_Blobby

            Looking for the exit more likely, and a few scapegoats.

          • PlanetOrphan

            Metaphors from the past, I think you are mistaken.

          • JeffDaRef

            Claims which could be easily proven by IT records, they wouldnt outright deny it if they couldnt back it up.
            Seen any UFOs lately? Elvis? Bin Laden?
            Paid your sub to the Conspiracy Theorists Association??

          • Mr_Blobby

            No1 rule in politics.

            When you get caught with your pants down, pull them up and lie.

      • Muffin

        I really doubt that.

        • Mr_Blobby

          Really, look closely into his eyes next time you see him talking.

          • Muffin

            Desperate much?

  • GarethsPussy

    I await the stampede of journalists rushing to shine a light on the Brash email leaks.

    Will the prevailing sound be of the democratic fabric being ripped asunder?

  • rockape

    I would like to hear the following statement from JK.” Due to the interest of the opposition and the media this matter has now become a matter of National significance. I therefore consider that the need for truth outweighs the need for privacy and authorize the release of all phone records and emails in full to the enquiry” That would have them running for cover!

    • Mr_Blobby

      Yes it would and no it is not going to happen.

  • Steve R

    Yawn is this thing still going on . I lost interest on the first night when the tv one reporter held up his parliament pass and stated that they monitor the press movements in parliament from where his pass is used . HELLO .
    God I must be bored today

    • GazzW

      The parliamentary media display the same levels of ‘professionalism’ as Europe’s paparazzi. Pursuing MPs like a pack of wild dogs, shoving microphones & cameras in their faces and yelling unintelligible questions. I never had any truck with Chris Carter but I well recall a pack of media pursuing him in ‘media no go’ areas and trying to shove their cameras into caucus rooms and private offices. The media has no respect at all for privacy and they have no justification at all to expect different treatment.

  • Bryan

    “Good to see you are creating ructions on the other side of the world – some things never change! Keep up the excellent work ” from her mates on other side
    so her and her media mates from news of world think its a great big joke

  • Jimmie

    Well after all this bruhaha I wanna read the emails.

    Hurry up would someone please leak Dunne’s love letters in the public interest?

    Gotta be interesting reading Vance egging Dunne on.

    Surely this has to be a form of cock tax – paid in advance? (Excuse the pun)

    • Col

      Has she bent down to pick up the pen on the floor, that laid between Dunnies feet, Dunnie felt he had to let go, and slipped her ……………………………

  • LesleyNZ

    http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/dear-john-basf-commercial-1981
    Dear John – we are with Whaleoil Blog now…………….

  • Blue Tim

    The longer the moan & groan the more J K will go up in the polls. Unfortunately it takes the low torch off Shearer

  • http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/ Keeping Stock

    I spoke to a friend after golf this morning who is a retired newspaper editor and journalist. He was scathing towards all those “precious petals” (his words) who are so outraged at the so-called privacy leak. He commented that the young journos today are taught to scandal-chase, but there’s no consequences for them when they break a story which they have obtained by nefarious means.

    Andrea Vance got kudos for writing a story based on information that was leaked to her. For her now to be getting all uptight because the worm turned an her details were given to the Henry inquiry is simply hypocritical.

  • Bob Murphy

    Who gives a shit? The big news is happening at Rugby Park, Hamilton this evening and I hope there is a decent reporter available to write about it.

    • Whanga_Cynic

      Is “decent reporter” an oxymoron in New Zealand?

  • steve and monique

    Said it before.Who gives a fuck about the media. Heres a hint for them. Fuck off,and report news people want to hear about,and PLEASE get your facts right before insulting the intelligence of the fine people of NZ who buy your papers.And by doing so,pay your wages by proxy.

  • Muffin

    If it wasn’t for WOBH I think that’s labour polling in the 20s and the scientist behind nz power calling it a political sham would have gone unheralded.

    These useless churnos aren’t doing their job, or worse they might have been brought and paid for, or incapable of unbiased reporting.

    I think our lack of neutral press is of far greater concern to our ‘democracy’ than that prostitute vances emails being made available to an investigation.

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