Sunday General Debate

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If you need any inspiration, today’s Debating Topic is:

There should be a consistent single age at which you turn into a legal adult.  This means you can be charged for crimes as an adult, join the army, marry, have sex, purchase alcohol and enter into contracts.

  • Stuarts.burgers

    Just seen on the NY Time Twitter feed ” An awkward return to Harvard for students accused of cheating ” Who told Harvard about Aaron Cunliffes CV

    • NJ

      Barrel scraper…

      You must miss being able to call Helen Clark a lesbo huh.

      • GazzW

        You appear to be making more reference to that of late than anyone else NJ.

      • Pissedoffyouth

        If that is barrel scraping then what the hell is the arguments coming out of the labour party at the moment? 2 meters under the barrel?

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

        Why’s that, does she have some kind of UN immunity that prevents people doing so?

      • Stuarts.burgers

        Ms Clark or should that be Mrs Peter Davis’s sexuality is of no concern to me but seems to toot your horn.

        Maybe you were behind the whispering campaign against Grant and his partner Alf

      • pukakidon

        Oh dear, the Labour Gay community haters have arrived. We here at Whale Oil do not judge people because of their sexuality. Go back to the Standard if you wish to spout that sort of hate speech, calling people Lesbos. Is that why Grant did not get the tick for leader and a deceitful liar like Silent T got the nod. Is it Gay ban now in the Labour party?

        • AnonWgtn

          Why do, believed 2%, of the population of 4,500,000 have so much sway ?
          Why must the other 98% be subjected to this NORM ?

      • Patrick

        You can only scrape the barrel if there is detritus at the bottom of the barrel, Cunliffe through his lying is definitely bottom of the barrel. It is of his own making, no point trying to spin it any other way. Plenty of Labour people will have their hands covering their faces looking through their fingers & saying “oh hell what have we done…..”

      • johnbronkhorst

        Never called her a lesbo…because I don’t care.
        A LIAR however, I have called her and LISTED her many lies!!!

  • Bunswalla

    Re the consistent single age at which you become a legal adult – I have two teenagers, and I think that age should be 30.

    • James Howlett

      Wait until they’re 31 mate: you’ll want to raise it to 35.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Petal

        I agree. It was 35 for me.

    • Bad__Cat

      18 for females, 30 for males.
      EDIT Changed my mind – it should be when they have a job and can live independent of parents or welfare.

      • James Howlett

        I like this – maybe have some sort of exam or practical test?

  • Steve (North Shore)

    23. Teens have their brain removed at 13 – they get it back at 23

    • Pissedoffyouth

      65, plenty of 40 year olds don’t act like adults

      • Cadwallader

        The problem with 65 is that people tend to join “Grey Power” and whine like babies.

        • GazzW

          Only the lefties Cadwallader. A very significant percentage (and increaing rapidly) is still working either part-time or full time to the point where services and charities that rely on those 65+ as volunteers are starting to feel the pinch.

      • Patrick

        Just add beer & I regress to a 15 year old’s mental age, bonus is these days it is requiring less & less beer.

  • Col

    Problem is when you get to 65 plus some adults act like children, some just can’t talk and some talk to much and don’t make sense, Winston Peters is an example of this.
    20 year olds, by that time they have been out of school, been working and have had a few years in the work force and 2 years drinking piss, after that they are adults.

  • Macca

    Whether it is 16,18,20 or 21 a the biggest problem I see is that if the rules are broken ie caught drinking under age, DIC etc, the judiciary are not giving adequate punishment to deter them doing it again. It is not the fault of the politicians or police in my view. Society could be greatly sorted if our judges just did their job!

  • Col

    I have a son who will be 18 April, just had the letter from the school that he has been kicked out of English, but he is ok with his other classes. This English teacher is the same one who told me at school interviews he should leave school. Before he ended up in her class he was ok with English, although some old duck was taking computer classes and he never saw eye to eye with her, he did bring down all the computers at the school, and he was stood down from that class for a week, ( I thought they would have asked him to help check the security on there computers so that wouldn’t happen again?) He is doing a 2 day plumbing course here CHCH at Polytec. Now who will give me some advise, yes and I don’t mind the smart remakes.

    • http://GodHelpMe.Im.Gonna.Gutyas.org.nz/ OrphanIsland

      Nothing wrong with Plumbing, he should invest any spare cash he has in the stock market, do his homework on the companies he’s investing in, he could also diversify by trying Extra work in TV, NZ has a lack of “Bad Guys”.

      Find good products and get the agency for them is another good one, but you have to stay on the game and keep looking for product, make a reasonable percentage as the middleman on the sale etc.

    • cows4me

      Till your son to stick to a trade, he’ll be miles ahead of his mates, Forget computers seems any fool can do them , except me. Two other things he can’t go wrong with. Growing food (farming if you wish), the world population continues to grow and people are becoming richer, they’ll need to eat. Be an undertaker, there’s always someone dropping dead. Don’t invest in the stock market, God that’s just an oversized Ponzi scheme.

    • Patrick

      English is overrated anyway, can he say “How much? That’s too dear” & “I charge more than that & accept cash only.” If so then he will be fine. Seriously be great if he has an understanding & is able to put a CV together & hold an intelligent conversation. That is all that is required. You will of course hold his feet to the fire & not let him off lightly. I know a couple of guys in the dunces class at college & both have run successful businesses, at the end of the day the education he requires is how to work hard, be honest & accumulate rather than waste on the latest fruit phone etc. I doubt there are many teachers left in NZ capable of teaching that.

    • jonno1

      When my youngest opened his School Cert envelope and said “I passed”, his mum’s first words were “You didn’t?!” Very encouraging. He now owns two construction businesses & employs about 15 staff. He treats them well (eg pays well although expects them to perform, and takes them on ski & fishing trips), and they’re all incredibly loyal. So not everyone is an academic, some are better suited to a trade and will do very well at it.

      • dyannt

        Totally agree, Jonno. A hell of a lot of people are not academics and should never be encouraged to go to university.

    • James Howlett

      If he enjoys plumbing, or anything to do with construction for that matter, has a decent work ethic and is in Chch then you shouldn’t have too much to worry about.

    • Pissedoffyouth

      I failed English for the first year of NCEA and then left school at the end of 6th form and studied tertiary, don’t regret it at all. If he wants to be a plumber he’s a smart guy, not enough tradies anymore.

  • cows4me

    Quick whale, The Nation, your favourite dam

  • Ronnie Chow

    After all the publicity and shaming , you would think that Priests could control themselves .

    But , No…

    SCRANTON, Pa. — A Catholic priest whose ministry included counseling troubled youths is facing charges in northeastern Pennsylvania after police say he admitted to sex acts with a 15-year-old boy.

    The Rev. William Paulish was in Lackawanna County prison, unable to post $50,000 bail Friday. The charges include corruption of a minor, indecent exposure, unlawful contact with a minor, indecent assault and involuntary deviate sexual intercourse with a person under 16. Court records did not list a lawyer for Paulish.

    The Times-Tribune of Scranton reported that Paulish, 56, has been reassigned 15 times by the Diocese of Scranton after being ordained in 1988 and has had three separate leaves of absence.

    The diocese did not respond to the newspaper’s requests to explain the reassignments and absences. In a press release, the diocese said it removed Paulish from his assignment as assistant pastor at Prince of Peace Parish in Old Forge and suspended his ability to work as a priest.

    Paulish and the boy were caught by Dunmore police after Penn State Worthington Scranton security guards reported the priest’s car as suspicious when they saw it Thursday night parked near the tennis courts.

    The boy did not have pants on when police arrived and both later admitted to performing sex acts, police said. Paulish told investigators that he arranged the meeting through an ad he posted on Craigslist, police said.

  • Ronnie Chow

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has just published a first-of-its-kind assessmentof the threat the country faces from antibiotic-resistant organisms, ranking them by the number of illnesses and deaths they cause each year and outlining urgent steps that need to be taken to roll back the trend.

    The agency’s overall — and, it stressed, conservative — assessment of the problem:

    Each year, in the U.S., 2,049,442 illnesses caused by bacteria and fungi that are resistant to at least some classes of antibiotics;

    Each year, out of those illnesses, 23,000 deaths;

    Because of those illnesses and deaths, $20 billion each year in additional healthcare spending;

    And beyond the direct healthcare costs, an additional $35 billion lost to society in foregone productivity.

    “If we are not careful, we will soon be in a post-antibiotic era,” Dr. Tom Frieden, the CDC’s director, said in a media briefing. “And for some patients and for some microbes, we are already there.”

    The rest of the article is here http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/09/cdc-amr-rpt1/

  • longjohn

    Too many age targets. Set them all low at say 0 and put a few morals and standards in place and if these are disobeyed then put the fecers down.

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