Why the full court press against Bevan Chuang?

Len Brown and his team of council paid spin weasels have relentlessly led the attacks against Bevan Chuang. From the outset there were threats and those threats have come to pass.

My media sources tell me that David Lewis has been front and centre in leading the charge to dish the dirt on Bevan Chuang. It wasn’t me or Stephen Cook who released her name and details or even published photos of her until yesterday. The photos we did publish were also none of the salacious ones currently being shown in other media. It was the NZ Herald that jumped in boots and all and published photos, including a 5 page spread on the whole saga. I’m also told they doubled their print run and delivered and sold many more papers on Wednesday than they have for a very long time.

In all my public appearances I haven’t said a bad word about Bevan Chuang…she is not the target in this, despite Len Brown’s team guided by the thoroughly nasty David Lewis throwing her under the bus.

But why did they do that…remember that Len Brown on Christmas Day 2012 told Bevan Chuang that he loved her…and generally signed off his text messages with kisses…so why would he do that?

Simple.

To stop the other women…and there are other women, there is more than enough info available now to be able to say that, to stop them coming forward. 

The smashing up of Bevan Chuang is deliberate and calculated to instil fear into the other women to make them nervous about copping the same treatment…and the media played along…shame on them.

Bevan Chuang may be a hussy, sleeping her way into jobs, power and privilege but she is a single woman and entitled to use all her assets to progress her many careers. THis story has never been about her and shame on the media and the various left wing apologists and a few of my own commenters to make this about her.

It is about the dodgy ratbag conduct of Mayor Len Brown, in obtaining jobs for his mistress and lobbying on her behalf like what Nick Smith did (he resigned).

It is about Mayor Len Brown using his position to obtain benefits, both sexual, financial (free rooms), and influence in order to get his jollies, like Richard Worth (he resigned/was fired)

It is about Mayor Len Brown using inappropriate language and racial terms like “Geisha Girl” and “Manchu Girl”, no unlike Alasdair Thompson or Paul Henry (they both lost their jobs)

It is about Len Brown using council resources including his driver and vehicle, the staff at Townhall, the offices, bathrooms and the Ngati Whatua room as his private pimps, chauffeur and bordello in order to facilitate easy illicit affairs.

It is about Len Brown’s hypocrisy, honesty, ethics and integrity in campaigning as one man and acting as another.

It is about Len Brown’s use of ratepayer funded spin weasels to defend his actions, to speak on behalf of his family and to attack and hound a women who is actually a victim in all of this.

One thing is for sure…the leftwing have allowed for a new ethical standard to be created for anyone to use as a defence when they are likewise compromised.

The Brown Standard of Public ethics….it allows for rooting, lying, cheating, and bribery with impunity. No longer will Russell Brown, half the left wing, almost all of the media be able to call for anyone’s head for their shenanigans because that ratbag politician will be able to claim the “Brown Standard”….as long as nothing is illegal you are good to go. there will be no consequences like for everyone else before them…you get off scot free, even with sympathy.

Our media disgusts me.Len Brown disgusts me, and David Lewis especially disgusts me.

I am of a mind to organise a protest at the swearing in so we can all laugh and mock Len Brown as he is sworn in just as he is creating laughter and mocking for the city he professes to love.

  • Monique Angel

    Ha ha. It’s never an isolated incident at this level of betrayal. Men like this have a history of womanising. Bevan came forward for whatever reason and has to see it out. Saddest thing was seeing her wish the best for Brown. She has to realize the possibility that she’s being played like a violin by a smooth operator. Hopefully he’s run out of women to use.

    • David

      “Men like this…” – the assumptions here make me laugh. We can assume for a second that Brown has some long standing history of affairs that his wife has never found out about… or look at the facts.

      In the space of two years, he slept with this woman a total of four times. That doesn’t sound like a guy fiending on affairs.

      The woman in question is highly questionable for both her attention seeking and muck raking in other areas, such as giving away passwords to other peoples email accounts. She is also heavily involved in politics and seems to gravitate towards those she considers have political power……

      So… is it really beyond question that Bevan Chuang simply came on to the mayor strongly, several times, before he stupidly cracked? Seems like something a girl of her type isn’t beyond and being that she backstabs almost every single thing in her life when the pressure is on her, it’s not really a character defamation on her. She put herself in this position.

      Len Brown should resign. His decision making is compromised and he cannot possibly do an effective job from this point onwards. He made a stupid series of mistakes with someone and put his family in jeopardy. That’s where his attention should be…

      But Chuang should never again be involved at any level of advisory or politics, nor would I feel many employers would want to take her too seriously from this point onwards. That’s what you get for being a home breaker and someone who thought sleeping your way to the top was the best option.

      • Random66

        Len is without doubt a sleaze and I agree with everything you say about Chuang. What she has also yet to realize is that she will no longer be invited to dinner parties etc where wives will not want a known predator around their husbands. Her friends will treat her differently because she has shown herself unable to keep secrets or confidences. Men previously considered just friends, will now give her a second glance because she has become interesting and fair game. Sadly Chuang has yet to realize just how great her fall really is.

        • David

          Agree 100%

          The other thing that makes me laugh is how WhaleOil seems to think that he should believe everything that Chuang has said while she actively stabs him in the back and makes him seem like he’s done some great Machiavellian plot and pressured her into this against her will. If she is now spinning a different story about him and he knows the circumstances, why does he believe without question her events with Brown?

          That’s why I say he’s just better off consigning both of them to being absolute distrustful clowns who both deserve the comeuppance they’re currently receiving.

        • Monique Angel

          She would have been treated with SOO much more respect had she kept quiet.
          I don’t think she was going to be getting many dinner party invites in the foreseeable, regardless.

          • David

            Of course she would have, because no one would have known that she was actively involved in an affair with a married man and one in which she seems to have expected professional, political and social gain through that relationship.

            This isn’t about blaming her for “coming out” because realistically, I don’t care either way about that. This is about blaming her for getting involved with someone in the first place, using that relationship to get a reference for a job combined with lying about criminal convictions that she had. This is about blaming her for being an attention seeking creeper who seems to flock towards political types and get involved with them.

            Len Brown made a series of stupid mistakes that in my view should cost him both his career and his marriage. Bevan Chuang made a series of stupid mistakes that in my view should cost her both her political career and social status as someone you “invite to dinner parties”.

          • David

            Of course she would have, because no one would have known that she was actively involved in an affair with a married man and one in which she seems to have expected professional, political and social gain through that relationship.

          • David

            This isn’t about blaming her for “coming out” because realistically, I don’t care either way about that. This is about blaming her for getting involved with someone in the first place, using that relationship to get a reference for a job combined with lying about criminal convictions that she had. This is about blaming her for being an attention seeking creeper who seems to flock towards political types and get involved with them.

          • Gaynor

            I wonder how many of the mayors ‘mates’ or staff were aware of his affairs.

      • Monique Angel

        Yeah she should have kept quiet. Set the precedent for men in power to abuse the trust of younger females.
        He told her he loved her, remember?
        Waving your vagina in front of someone doesn’t ‘t make you a home wrecker. Sticking your cock inside one without telling your wife, (breaching the rules of basic hygiene, does.
        And what are you suggesting? That he’s only half a cheater because he slept with her ONLY four times?
        That’s like being half pregnant.

        • David

          No, she shouldn’t have done it in the first place. She’s an adult more than capable of making decisions, she showed that when she repeatedly rebuked her partner Luigi around going public with her affair… so it seems like she’s more than capable of rejecting any advance that an old politician may have made.

        • David

          Moderated post..

          Again, you seem to think that I say absolve Len of all guilt when realistically I’m saying it takes two to tango and her guilt in this is equal. She deserves what shes getting and it’s not because she’s come out about it, it’s because she’s done it in the first place and sought to profit from it.

          • Monique Angel

            “She deserves what she is getting”.
            that’s abhorrent. Have you no respect for females?

          • David

            Not this one, no.

          • Gaynor

            If you can talk about one woman , who you don’t know, like this then just maybe you are not much different from Len Brown.

          • Rubyred

            Actions speak for themselves buddy.

          • David

            I know of her behaviors, that’s enough to assess respect. As for Len Brown, I have no views as to whether or not he respects females, nor do I really give a shit. I’m playing the ball, not the man.

          • Random66

            Don’t make this about females. I am one and I don’t have respect for this woman. I don’t respect Len either. You would have us all believe that this ‘young’ (32 yr old) woman is too innocent in the way of the world and of men in general to not know her own mind, and that he took advantage of her due to her innocence and youth. Yeah right. She knew exactly what she was about and was only pissed when things didn’t go the way she planned. I agree with David they are both equally culpable.

        • Rex Widerstrom

          Waving your vagina in front of someone doesn’t ‘t make you a home wrecker.

          No, but you conveniently left out “…someone you know to be married and to have children“.

          By so doing you show yourself, at an absolute minimum, to be a narcissist with utterly no empathy for the innocents whose lives you’ll destroy if the person you’re targeting is also so utterly lacking in morals and decency to accept your invitation.

          About your only justification is then “if it wasn’t me, it would have been someone else”. Probably quite true in this case, but that in no way lessens the immorality of your decision to let it be you instead.

          • Monique Angel

            Yeah I got that. re “you”.
            I’m not saying Bevan isn’t a narcissist or someone who I’d want my daughter emulating.
            But I am saying, her character should absolutely not be in question or under discussion with regards to Brown’s culpability. It is absolutely beside the point.
            The only relevant factor is Brown’s abuse of power by a man in his position.
            EG: The age difference and circumstances are similar to a teacher/student relationship.
            In no cases would you say, “Well, the student gave explicit details of the liason which embarrassed the wife and she also encouraged the sex.
            No, no , no, no no.
            You’d say: “The dirty old teacher”. Hang him high.
            This is absolutely the same scenario but with participants in different areas of pubic service.

          • SDCLFC1 .

            No it’s not. A teacher/student relationship implies that the student was not an adult. Bevan is certainly naive and vulnerable, but she was an adult.
            Question. If Bevan has been used by Len and Whaleoil, whose manipulation was she more likely to suffer the greater harm from?

          • Rex Widerstrom

            Actually, I wouldn’t. Not if the student were 32 years old, had a child, was an aspiring political candidate and showed every sign of being able to make mature judgements. And if she knew the teacher was married, my opinion would be exactly the same.

            You say there’s a power imbalance. There is, but it’s on both sides of the equation. As soon as a lecherous old married fool decides to have an affair his mistress has him by the balls, in both the figurative and literal sense. Always unspoken is the possibility that she may opt to ruin him if displeased, just as there is always the unspoken implication that he may withdraw his patronage and thus ruin, or at least set back, her career.

        • OhopeBeachBugger

          I have to agree with you. A single person doesn’t have a responsibility, the married one does.

          • Rex Widerstrom

            Let’s say you have a thriving business, which relies on the capital of your wealthy business partner.

            Because I’m a practised hustler, I quickly pick up on the fact your business partner is a weak, avaricious, egotistical little man and start making him promises of even greater riches if he invests with me. Maybe I even take a few amounts off him, making sure to hand him back a profit and heaping undue praise on his investing savvy.

            I do this knowing full well that if he invests with me it’ll destroy your business, bankrupt you, and put your staff out of work. Yet I continue to play on his weakness and ego solely for my own benefit.

            Do I bear no moral responsibility for the eventual collapse of your business? Despite the fact I calculatedly used your partner’s weakness and narcissism to get what I wanted, knowing full well the damage it’d do?

          • Hazards001

            Horse shit. I’m single. That doesn’t give me the right to screw someone else’s wife.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            If she is willing, she carries the greater responsibility.

          • Rubyred

            Yeah but if Hazzard lept at the opportunity then he would have the morals of a dog on heat. Which he clearly doesn’t given his view.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            Well, I’ve never messed with married women even when I was single, because I considered rings off limits – but I still think the greater responsibility lies with the betrothed. In any event, that applies to me now as I am happily married – so if some brazen hussy were to try her luck with me, that’s her prerogative, but it is my responsibility to turn that down, no matter how ripe the temptation.

          • Rubyred

            True. Though if you turned her down you’d be a man your family could depend on. No small thing. She would still be the brazen hussy.

          • OhopeBeachBugger

            To be sure, I would and I do :-).

      • Macca

        Rubbish! Although I don’t condone what she did, this is not about her! NZ has the dubious distinction of having some of the most promiscuous women in the world – but once again, it’s not about them! This is about a man who professes to be a good family man not only lying but living that lie! Going home and jumping in the same bed of the woman he pledged to have and to hold – after he’d been rutting on another woman just hours before!
        Stop trying to blame her and fucken man up! You talk as if it was all her and Brown is innocent and guilt free!

        • Rubyred

          He never said that. He said they both share in the blame. The issue is that many here want to paint her as a victim when she clearly isn’t.

          • Hazards001

            Exactly.

      • http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/ Keeping Stock

        So you criticise Monique for the assumption “men like this, then say

        Seems like something a girl of her type isn’t beyond…

        Was that intentional irony, or an accident?

        • Monique Angel

          I’ll clarify the phrase, : “duplicitous men like this”:
          I am acquainted with a certain type of partner vis a vis the misadventures suffered by a number of my friends .
          Some partners who have short or long sexual liasons but do not ‘fess until they are busted by the wife or as in Brown’s case, the timing of confession to Wife coincides with being outed by the other woman.
          As I’ve said: Having a booze fueled shag or an affair is not a marriage breaker but not being honest with a partner in a reasonable amount of time or putting them in a position where they are exposed to community ridicule is the mark of a callous sociopath.
          As is telling someone you love them to get the sex.
          I know of three men who verbally abuse their partners if the encounter is not witnessed but will turn the charm on to impress onlookers that they are the perfect dad.
          They are the kind of men who do have a succession of ever younger lovers but will not see the connection between their behavior and the destruction of the relationships.

          But generally they are able to keep appearances up with Wife (unless busted) or their Mom.

  • Patrick

    What do we need to know about Mr Lewis? Seems to me he plays a major role in Mr Brown’s affairs, he is obviously being paid by the Auckland ratepayers therefore shouldn’t we have some clarity around this chappie & what he does/has done in the past.

    • Sooty

      How do the ratepayers get on? He is not the mayor until sworn in, I would think. What right has he to go and spend the ratepayers money on spin doctors etc before he is sworn in. I very much doubt that all off this is on his dime. These spin doctors will no doubt be some of the highest payed in the council staff. I would love for Len to get a bill for hours spent spinning this, they would have been camped out in their offices all night. Imagine the cost.

  • GregM

    I would strongly support a protest at the swearing in.

    • kwikkiwi

      I will be there. Suggest we take one black g string each to throw at him Tom Jones style!

      • patrickstarr

        A tissue may be more appropiate

      • Nechtan

        Packets of noodles?

        • Col

          New product coming on supermarket shelves LENS 2 Minute Noddle, with a free tissue.

          • Nechtan

            And special sauce? (silly I know but what the hell)

          • Col

            Could call the noddle pkt “Come and Away”

      • redeye

        Or an egg timer?

        • Col

          You could put the timer on slow, he may die of a heart attack.

      • blokeintakapuna

        a soggy NZ Herald? Rolled up of course…

        • Sooty

          Every one to Clap.

          • Harry B’Stard

            He’s already had the clap

          • Mr_Blobby

            A long slow clap. TV will be there for the moment.

      • Col

        How about getting a few of the girls from the strip clubs to come along, with a sign WE Will Miss You Lenny.

        • Nechtan

          Or “Love You Long Time”, ” Buy Me Drink?” etc.

        • Kimbo

          in the best traditions of Dan Segretti rat-fucking…

    • AnonWgtn

      Believe some Uni Students expect to be there at the Coronation.

    • Monique Angel

      Take cans of whipped cream.

    • kehua

      Let us get it on, would love to see the reaction from MSM and the breathless Telly fronts, can just see the Headlines, `Vicious Far Right Protesters Spoil Favourite Mayors Celebration`. Love it.

    • Hazards001

      I’m game..WO T shirts too?

    • GregM

      I seriously think we should. Peaceful and silent, but there in the TV cameras face. Some holding 4/10 scorecards, some holding ” Busted” or Shame” or “Just resign” placards.
      Cactus Kate dressed in a dominatrix costume could be helpful, but I’m going off tangent a little bit here…

  • Mr Sackunkrak

    Let’s add misogynistic bully to Len’s current list of endearing qualities.

  • Monique Angel

    And it’s being heartwarming seeing MSM and Boag cry like babies over the impertinence of a mere Blogger breaking the story of the year.
    Berlusconi Brown won’t be able to live it down so the old guard will have to suck it back.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

      Boag has her own skeletons, she should STFU

      • Sooty

        Do tell.

    • Patrick

      That is the interesting sideline to all of this, the biggest political story for many a year & the MSM were caught with their trousers around their ankles. Maybe, just maybe they now see the writing on the wall, old style media is gone, yesterdays dog tucker. Print, radio & telly media are so far behind the game on this Brown issue & in fact it looks like they knew of this issue with Brown but chose to sweep it under the carpet. Obviously though there still is a place for investigative journalism, the audience is crying out for it judging by the web traffic to WOBH over the last few days. On top of that what we are really after is some honesty, if you are aligned to one side of the political spectrum or the other have the gonads to come out & say it, don’t portray yourself as impartial then scheme & collude with the Unions to attack the centre right Government ala NZ Herald.

    • Gaynor

      Monique Angel I
      with you 100%. I can’t believe how many posters are trying to blame Bevan. Shame on you all, especially other women who can’t defend another female . We are also talking about a young Chinese woman who was brought up in a different culture and didn’t arrive in NZ until 1999.
      Len Brown is the sleaze, Len Brown is the adulterer, the one using his power. Len Brown is the one who used Bevan until he was finished with her and then threw her aside. . .
      I well believe there will be other women because men like Len Brown don’t just do it one time

      • Rex Widerstrom

        …a young Chinese woman who was brought up in a different culture

        Oh rly? this lot seem to manage okay:

        According to leaked French intelligence files, China has been employing beautiful female spies — the dreaded “honeytrap” method — and blackmail to steal business secrets from French executives. And it wouldn’t be the first time that China has used such tricks to gain access to privileged information.

        But, but… they’re young Chinese women brought up in a different culture! And they had to learn French, and everything!

  • Lion_ess

    Tawdry, tacky, unmanly behaviour – this is the leader of NZ’s largest city. Someone who leaves a trail of cum stains throughout Council property and jacks-off on the job. If he has any shred of dignity, he’ll resign. Who’d want to shake hands with him – he’s a fucking, disgraceful embarrasment.

    • 4077th

      Well said Lion_ess!

  • blokeintakapuna

    Like someone else mentioned a day or two ago – if Lyin’ Lennie was a National Party politician – the likes Rudman and cohorts would run out of Terra-bytes in their abuse.
    I only hope the Press Council and BSA hold Rudman’s blatant bias to account and censor him about “journalistic integrity & standards” and use his shrill in today’s Herald as the only proof they need. Rudman – petard – hoist.

    • patrickstarr

      Maybe a lawyer could comment on this – but Rudman has straight out accused Palino of ‘honeytrapping’. I would imagine the courts, as opposed to the press council maybe the better forum?

      • Mr Sackunkrak

        It’s called innuendo, a means of defamation. I’m pretty sure the only entrapment in this sordid affair was Len’s lust for banging a load out.

      • Monique Angel

        You’re grabbing at straws sweetie.She didn’t exactly coerce him with freebies in flash hotels, did she?

        • patrickstarr

          …huh? you may need to re-read what I wrote more carefully

          • Monique Angel

            Nah. You shoot from the hip, you get it wrong sometimes but more often you hit something.

      • Michael

        If Len wasn’t so stupid (which he is) he wouldn’t have gone there. But he did and now he has to suck it up and pay the price. You don’t get to taste the honey without the sting of the bee!

        • patrickstarr

          yeah, thats what im saying… Rudman is defaming Palino with that allegation

          • tarkwin

            Rudman is an A grade wanker.

          • Michael

            Yep – agree. I don’t give a rats who alleged what – it simply doesn’t matter. The point is Len’s shit behaviour while he was Mayor during the last term of office. This bullshit about “Oh but it doesn’t stop him doing a good job, so let him carry on – shag at the office, that’s personal”, is crap. Of course his behaviour had an impact on his work and will continue to. There is no way in hell that he is not distracted from his job and many other aspects of his life now. He is TOAST.

      • Rex Widerstrom

        The courts? And what would be the charge? “Theft of dignity”?

        Unless there was blackmail involved, simply inducing a fool to give in to his baser instincts isn’t illegal.

        • patrickstarr

          given the definition of honeytrapping, Im asking whether Rudman may be subject to an civil action by Palino

          • Rex Widerstrom

            Ahhhh I see. Sorry, I hear “court” I automatically think “criminal” because I do a lot of work there.

            That’d be a fascinating case, for defamation presumably. If someone digs a hole, but puts up the “danger” tape that’d cause any reasonable man to proceed with extreme caution, does the fool who falls in headfirst have a claim against the digger?

            Let’s hope it happens, I’d love to see the outcome.

    • AnonWgtn

      Rudman has no Integrity – never has had – silly old pillock.

      • Patrick

        Another welfare dependent bludger, “gimmie a new theatre Brian”

  • philbest

    Know what famous quote all this makes me think of?

    “They would say that, wouldn’t they”?

    – Mandy Rice Davies

  • Jman

    The point that seems to have been missed by all and sundry, is how Len Browns behavior exposes him to being blackmailed or coerced. For example, we have the story of the security guard who caught them in the act, and Bevan was worried he might expose them, but “luckily” enough that never happened. Isn’t that interesting? How do we know that the guard wasn’t bribed to keep quiet? Well we don’t know at this stage, but the point is that Len Browns behavior is what created this situation in the first place. How do we know what the owners of the various hotels have on him? Is this the man we want running our city? Someone who is potentially exposed to such blackmail? This is the real reason why this kind of behavior shouldn’t be tolerated.

    • Patrick

      Agree, read the below in the Herald & then ask why Brown changed horses mid race – did he no longer have any use for free rooms at Sky City? Whatever the answer Brown has opened himself up to the accusation of conflicts of interest.
      Smart Pollie? Not a chance, just an old fool being led by the little head in much the same fashion as Peter Dunne.

      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11133147

    • SJ00

      Hopefully the real trained and skilled journalists are tracking down the security guard for his side of things (maybe Woman’s Day can get him in for a 2 page spread!)

  • Euan Ross-Taylor

    Whale, you are sounding like a Greenie Zealot. Go Whale!

  • blokeintakapuna

    When rate-payer funded employees use rate payer funded resources to publically smear and attempt to deflect agenda-driven media opinion against a victim abused by the Mayor of our largest City – it’s time for a Full Independent Enquiry.
    …and I’m sure Cunliffe will be in full public support – because when it comes to matters of “perception” he’s the first to act – and it’s vital to have the full truth exposed to the disinfecting qualities of brilliant sunlight.
    With all the proof now in various media of political bullying from the Mayor’s office – who overseas and stops it?

  • patrickstarr

    I must confess I saw the wheels looking a bit dodgy on this when the chlamydia claim came out – and BC stated “who could I have got this from?” … really if she had to ask herself that question? – the MSM sniffed blood

    • Monique Angel

      Yeah, it’s disgusting that the mayor possibly passed it on to his wife.

  • David

    Or because Bevan is being held accountable for her actions here, knowingly entering an affair with a married man in the hopes of gaining some level of political favor….

    Again, you’re better off actually stating like you have “Bevan is a hussy who used her ‘talents’ to further herself politically and professionally” and admitting that she is culpable in this, perhaps if other women are afraid of the backlash of coming forward, other women will be afraid of the backlash of starting such a relationship in the first place.

  • Toryboy

    If there are other women why does whaleoil not mention their names?

    • sarah

      Why so they can get the same treatment as BC?

    • SJ00

      Cam never leaked Bevans name, pretty sure the Herald was the one with that scoop. Cam and Stephen were protecting Bevan from the start. He is hardly going to throw someone under the bus just to get Lenny Pantsdown. The person would have to want to have their name out there and based off the teardown of Bevan, who would want to? And Cam never leaked the story when he had half the facts, he only posted once he had all (or nearly) all his ducks in a row. Any other woman maybe rumor or fact, but Cam isn’t going to go in all Lenny (half cocked and shooting his wad after 2 minutes).

      • Mr_Blobby

        Maybe they are still employed by Council.

  • conwaycaptain

    When and where is the inauguration

  • patrickstarr

    interesting that the herald are running an investigative piece on the identity of the mystery text

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11142257

    • metalnwood

      Whoever sent it would be an idiot if they didnt run out and buy a cheap prepaid sim to use for those texts so no one is going to know the number.

      If there was a complaint which was valid enough for the police to get a warrant to go to the telco then there is some hope.

      There is the hope that the sim was put inside the persons regular phone, then there is the record of the phones IMEI, a unique identifier for the handset recorded against that SIM. You could then track back which other sim that IMEI has been used with and get the owner.

      Even with a warrant I am not sure they can get the telco to give them anything more than some raw records which they cant match up like that.

      It may take a snooping employee to ever unravel it.

      edit. I also know it could be done without the right employee being traced doing it so there is a chance it could happen..

      • blokeintakapuna

        so much then for all the hype about GCSB/police snooping on everyone’s phone calls then…
        but I guess that was just more scaremongering from the Left…

        • Nechtan

          Good point, according to them John Key must have already seen the texts and know exactly who sent them!

      • Harroputza

        My weird fantasy was that someone had bought the phone and driven to Len Brown’s house to send the message and kept it switched off at all other times. Then someone would be able to CSI that shit and triangulate or whatever and pin it on Lenny. That would just be amazing (dishonest, but amazing).

  • Toryboy

    I see on the NZ Herald website they are asking for information on who sent the text threatening this woman.
    Threatening text messages is a serious matter – a crime – and something which has caused many people to even top themselves.
    I bet if someone asked Mr Brown “who did you give her number to so they could threaten her?” he would deny it; I also bet the media will not attack him for interfering with a Police investigation, perverting the course of Justice, and clearly lying.
    It seems preposterous there were dozens, or hundreds of people helping Len’s campaign who knew about this, were given her number, and off their own bat decided to threaten her – so Len must know who it was.
    Who sent the text is a question I would like Mr Brown to answer – I dare him to lie.

  • SJ00

    This. One of the best articles I’ve read, it sums things up perfectly. The problem is the ‘real’ newspapers are reporting the facts, and WO is just a sleezy ‘blog’ that is throwing muck. Well thats how they see themselves anyway. The attitude of the Herald and the people backing Len and attacking Bevan are disgusting. As you said, it sets the standard for all future affairs in the public eye and if King Lenny Pantsdown Brown can get away with it, so can anyone, one can argue. The first person fired for shagging in the council offices post this story is going to have a field day taking their case to court and getting a huge payout.

  • Truth

    Eat shit, Cameron Slater.
    You’re just another silly rightie, just like those retards in America who masquerade as the Tea Party.

    • Monique Angel

      Hmmm. How old is this one I wonder. Still waiting for the pre-frontal to mature?

    • Nechtan

      Another insightful well thought comment from the intellectual giants on the left. Well done.

  • SDCLFC1 .

    No, no and no. This one has gone from you and you’re still bleating on about it. You had a story and you failed to execute it properly.

    It’s three days in and you’re still, effectively, only posting on this while it ceased being the headline item for the national news on Wednesday.

    The questions over council impropriety will be addressed by the inquiry.

    The issue of infidelity will be a question for a small amount of voters whereas most voters simply want to pass judgment according to the response. In particular they want to see if the politician will be resilient in the face of attack. If they are prepared to fight for their political life or let it get the better of them. Show resilience, together with contrition and sincerity, and most voters will let it pass. They recognise that the only person who can fully pass a moral judgment on Len is Shan.

    Bevan is a woman who slept with another woman’s husband. What do you think Shan, the person most hurt by, primarily, Len’s actions but also, secondarily, your politically motivated campaign (you’ve said yourself it was), thinks of Bevan? We should reach for the Thesaurus.

    What did you think was going to happen to her? You have launched an attack on a politician using their private life to a degree that has never before been seen in this country and you used Bevan to do it. You lacked the the skill and possibly the care and empathy to fully protect Bevan once you elicited from her all you were after.

    In light of the coroner’s report into the death of Greg King you should take responsibility for your actions and cease your campaign out of consideration for peoples well being. You launched the attack and have failed to control it.

    You can see you’re “ratbag” getting away when you had him in your sights so you’re trying to claw-back the issue to claim a victory – you’re campaign is self absorbed.

    • middleagedwhiteguy

      You’re entitled to your opinion, and free to express it here, unlike the standard where dissent is deleted from the forum for the sake of the appearance of unity, but I have to ask you, do you condone Len’s actions? After all, there would be no need for an attack had Len simply acted in accordance with the values he displayed for the masses and simply kept it in his pants.

      Or is it all OK so long as he didn’t get caught?

      So tell me, what standard do you accept from your elected officials?

      • SDCLFC1 .

        I think as I stated, I won’t judge him for his infidelity, that is for his wife to do, however I will judge him on his response and in particular his resilience. If he shows that he wants to fight for his political future, in an appropriate way, not in an anything goes way that then that will go a long way to to resurrecting his standing with me.

        • middleagedwhiteguy

          It is not for us to judge him on his infidelity at all. those directly affected by that have that burden, but I do judge him on his judgement, and in that regard I find him deficient

          • SDCLFC1 .

            His judgment does need questioning but as I say he can rehabilitate himself through his response. However the issue of his judgment seems out of balance with level of attack that Whaleoil is expending and that is why I suggest that his campaign is self-absorbed. He’s after his victory more than anything else.
            The level of agitation, hurt or pain that voters feel is not commensurate to that of having someone cheat on you, yet Whaleoil seems to be trying to draw readers into feeling like he cheated on them

        • http://manymonkeys.co.nz/ Hamilton Lad

          But according to the lady in question his ‘standing’ wasn’t particularly noteworthy. Or did I misread your post – or did she misread his?

          • SDCLFC1 .

            Maybe I’ve misread yours because I found it funny. If I may, I’ve used the metaphor that this story has lacked foreplay, stuck it in too quickly and blown it’s load too early. More innuendo from everyone please.

          • http://manymonkeys.co.nz/ Hamilton Lad

            So I wasn’t too subtle for you then …. LOL

          • SDCLFC1 .

            Oh dear, I’m lost now. I don’t know if I’m double bluffing myself in irony or sarcasm or whatever copulation we’re engaged in. I’m just glad your not calling me an f$#@ing whatever like the other replies to my post. The only way to relieve myself is to visit some less, or perhaps more, reputable websites.
            Or maybe this one.

            http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/nation-struggles-to-masturbate-to-len-brown-affair/

    • Bunswalla

      Your (not “you’re” by the way – learning some simple grammar will add weight to your comments, and goodness knows they need it) post is disingenuous and misguided.

      On the one hand you blame the messenger for not only bringing opprobrium and humiliation to Len Brown, who has absolutely nobody to blame for those consequences except himself. He is the architect of his demise – and a sad but inevitable demise it will be – and WO is just the messenger.

      Yet on the other hand you fail to blame the messenger (in this case the MSM) for the enormous pressure Bevan Chuang now finds herself under. The Herald is the one that named her, found and published photos, and continues to run the story with no signs of interest waning. And they do so for very good reasons – sex sells, and sex sells newspapers and website hits most of all. Their other agenda is only slightly less transparent – to help Brown cling to the baubles of office because a) it suits their liberal viewpoint, and b) it will help sell more papers for the next 3 years.

      Trying to link the events of the last 3 days with Greg King’s situation is despicable and drawing a very long bow, and trying to apportion blame to the wrong place is just stupid. Have a look to the Herald, Stuff, NBR, TV1, TV3 and other MSM outlets for the reasons this has gone nuclear. And while you’re about it, have a look at yourself for throwing more fuel on the fire.

      • SDCLFC1 .

        I was thinking that the reference to coroner’s report into Greg King’s death would not be received well so I’ll extend on it. I found the extent to which the coroner covered the issue of self-harm insightful and beneficial for the wider community in understanding such a terrible affliction. Given that the issues have shared the same new space, I think it’s pertinent for Whaleoil to consider the dangers people face from self-harm when under extreme and unfamiliar amounts of pressure.
        To break the story he has not needed to leave Bevan as exposed as he has given that she gave him everyhitng he was after.

        If the story had broken in the mainstream media it would’ve been better managed and Bevan better protected than is the case with Whalieoil having broken it
        The only thing I now see here is vitriol and lots of it.

    • blokeintakapuna

      when using solvents in enclosed spaces, always ensure adequate ventilation.

    • Guest

      “Show resilience, together with contrition and sincerity, and most voters will let it pass.”

      While Len may appear to be resilient in endeavoring to hold on to his beloved position (and wage packet), we now all know he lacks stamina. I do not believe the public has seen evidence of contrition or sincerity from him, so I can’t see the voters letting this pass any time soon – nor should they. Bevan’s gleeful and graphic description of her affair with Len providing all the salacious details will cause far more pain to the wife than if she had simply just heard Len was having an affair. Care and empathy aren’t words that should be used in the same sentence as that tart.

    • Team ENZ

      no no yourself you sanctimonious twat. It takes two to tango.. Nobody force Lying lennie to the affair. so like in the muslim countries in a rape case you blame the woman… F*%# off.

    • SJ00

      Bleat on about it? Unlike the news or newspaper that will run a story like the GCSB for months on end, repeating Labour and Green spin and not bothering to report the facts? Despite the average joe blogs not giving a flying stuff about the GCSB?

      Who cares if the Left aligned national news stop reporting it? They have a reason to stop reporting it, just as Cam has a reason to keep reporting it.

      You don’t seem to understand that it was the mighty Herald that named Bevan (within a few hours of Cam breaking the story). He never named her and went so far as to protect her and make sure she was aware of what she was telling them and what it could do.

      Show us the letter you have written to the Herald having a crack at their 5 page spread on this non-story! No letter? Of course not. Because you are here simply to attack the messenger. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Cam encouraging Lenny Pantsdown to stick his 2 minute noodle into her wonton.

      Lenny using council resources to fight this should also be investigated. If its a personal matter, like you, him and the other morons think it is, then let him personally pay for the spin doctors and shit shoveler’s.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

      Comparing rooting Len with a decent human like Greg King, shame on you.

      • SDCLFC1 .

        You’ve mistaken what I was trying to get across. I was not to comparing Greg King with Len Brown. I’ve covered this below in a reply to Bunswalla.

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

          You’ve mistaken what I was trying to get across. Len Brown shit in is own nest. Greg King didn’t. But having said that, as sad as it is King took the selfish cowards option out.

  • LesleyNZ

    Shame on them. Of course NZ Herald can’t stand you Cam nor could NBR Jock Anderson and they have made this personal and have lost objectivity. At least NZ Herald’s Bernard Orsman is still demanding answers. NZ Herald need to take a good look at themselves before pointing the finger at anyone else. Sadly they have the monopoly on the news in print in AKLD.

    • blokeintakapuna

      they used to – they’re being pushed aside for more credible, factual, free news found here… and of course the witty comments too…

      • Bunswalla

        I blush

        • rangitoto

          Cows4me tells me that blokeintakapuna’s “witty comments” was referring to him.

          • blokeintakapuna

            haha -you’re all wrong. I was referring to my own witty comments – except I’m far too shy and humble to mention it…

  • Michael

    ..And Len’s spin team will be encouraged by the Herald poll published today, showing 54% support for the Fucker to remain as Mayor for another 3 years… surely it had to be a strategic sample of people polled!

    • http://manymonkeys.co.nz/ Hamilton Lad

      Organised polling, I suggest. Yesterday Stuff had 55% for, 45% against – the opposite of what the Herald had. So for the Herald to have changed that quickly, it has to be block and organised voting. So scared are the left ….

      • blokeintakapuna

        maybe take a quick poll down at Union HQ where opinions of individuals are easily told by the stewards… and they’re so sure, they often don’t even need a secret ballot.

        • Harroputza

          Len Brown must also have logged on to every council computer in Town Hall and voted for himself to stay.

  • Ururoa

    Why is everyone positioning Chuang as a victim here? She is not a victim, she is an independent adult who engaged in a dodgy affair for her own reasons. She freely speaks to the media, divulging all sorts of salacious details (why on earth did she need to tell the media she had an STD???) that just make her look worse and worse. Nobody is forcing her to open her mouth to the media; but she seems determined to dig a bigger and deeper hole for herself.

    Don’t get me wrong, Brown must go asap, but Chuang is definitely not a victim and deserves exactly the same out of sympathy that Len deserves, i.e. zero.

  • Col

    I reckon we should go into the council with our blow up dolls and a pkt of 2 Minute noddle.

  • Never in the dark…..

    “I am of a mind to organise a protest at the swearing in so we can all
    laugh and mock Len Brown as he is sworn in just as he is creating
    laughter and mocking for the city he professes to love.”

    What does a tray of eggs cost? Could leave them in the sun for a couple of days with some cream……..

  • Team ENZ

    When is the swearing in? we would all like to be there to cheering for him… yeah right… maybe we could all swear at him and with him….

  • Mr_Blobby

    A 2 year relationship, does that give some claim on the Brown estate.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

      Sounds like he spent more time with is hand, does mrs palmer and her 5 daughters get some too?

  • disqus_Aa7kWsb7Fp

    It looks like he’ll come in handy nothing else being available

    • blokeintakapuna

      “It looks like he’ll come in handy”
      I see what you’ve done there – brilliant!

  • Eiselmann

    The media are scared …lose Len and who in the left will replace him ? Tizard Minto(that would be funny and very scary) if Len goes there is a real possibility that a right leaning candidate will be the new mayor and to have the two most powerful politicians in the land as centre right must have some media feeling very scared.

    • philbest

      I say Quax should go for it.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

        I’m actually keen for Cameron Brewer. One day anyway. Next election maybe.

        • philbest

          Brewer and Quax are already like a “team” – I would be pleased to see them both advance their positions, whichever one becomes Mayor.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

            I guess I could go along with that too

  • Outdoor

    Why can’t you just accept…both parties are at fault…this woman is no better or worse than Brown.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

      He is worse, she isn’t the only one.

      He is married, she is not.

  • Divad

    C’mon Cameron…

    You wouldn’t think such heavy-handed tactics would be necessary.

    Many women who’ve been intimate with Bill Clinton or John Kennedy might find themselves the envy of, at least some of, their friends.

    But Len Brown…!!?? It’s hard to believe they’d be rushing to come forward.

  • pukakidon

    It is a shame that these media and shitbags blame the woman here. The person at fault is the public figure who lied to the rate payer about his integrity and honesty. These scumbags are the same ones that blame the woman for being raped for wearing skimpy clothing. Regardless of whether or not she is a Slapper, she is single and did not have responsibility for a partner and family, lecherous Len sort her out for his own self indulgent two minute pleasure bukake fests.

  • Rex Widerstrom

    …not being honest with a partner in a reasonable amount of time or putting them in a position where they are exposed to community ridicule is the mark of a callous sociopath

    I’d not looked at it that way… perhaps I spend too much time working with and for duplicitous people… but you’re dead right. Reminds me of Michael Laws confessing to his liaison with a woman he then endeavoured to smear in the worst possible terms. But the confession was timed to trump the publication of the sordid details in a newspaper.

    I’d used words like vain, egotistical and narcissistic about Brown, but on reflection, you’ve nailed it by focusing not on his treatment of Chuang (about whom we can debate levels of culpability) but his wife. A sociopath.

  • Monique Angel

    I have to agree

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