What’s wrong with a bullet to the head?

The liberal hand-wringers are stopping executions in the US because the lethal injection drugs might cause the ratbags some pain.

Seriously?

What’s wrong with a bullet to the head?

A US federal judge has granted a stay of execution to a white supremacist serial killer amid legal challenges over the use of a new drug in the execution process.

The ruling came hours before Joseph Franklin was due to be put to death in Missouri.

Franklin, 63, was sentenced to death for killing one man and wounding two others outside a synagogue in 1977.

He was also convicted of a series of other racially motivated murders.

Franklin also confessed to being the sniper who shot porn publisher Larry Flynt in 1978, leaving him partially paralysed.  

In her ruling on Tuesday, US District Court Judge Nanette Laughrey said that a lawsuit filed by Franklin and other death-row inmates challenging Missouri’s drug protocol must first be resolved.

She said details of the execution protocol had been “illusive at best”.

“It is clear from the procedural history of this case that through no fault of his own, Franklin could not resolve his claims without a stay of his scheduled execution date.”

She added: “Franklin has been afforded no time to research the risk of pain associated with the department’s new protocol, the quality of the pentobarbital provided, and the record of the source of the pentobarbital.”

Franklin was to be executed for shooting a man dead outside a Missouri synagogue in 1977 – one of some 20 killings in which he targeted black and Jewish people across several states.

In 1978 he shot Hustler publisher Larry Flynt after seeing a picture of a mixed-race couple in one of his magazines.

He never thought for a moment about the risk of pain when he shot and killed his victims.

If execution hurts then good job.

  • blokeintakapuna

    A sturdy rope is completely sustainable… and it would save the tax payers having to buy costly ammunition. The wobbly, 3-legged stool – completely optional.

    • johnbronkhorst

      Recyclable and reusable too.
      EDIT:…..So the greens should support hanging?

      • John1234

        … as long as it is hemp rope, not the synthetic stuff!

        • johnbronkhorst

          No as long lasting, but would fully decompose!!! Has merit.

        • sandynobb

          They’d smoke it.

          • John1234

            LOL, see what I did there? Set up the line for you to step up and smack it to the covers.Well played sir.

            I’m always playing the straight man.

      • Sir Cullen’s Sidekick

        You could get the Fat Tuatara to sit on top of this creature. He will be killed mercifully in 3 secs…..

  • Chancey

    If you think that is OTT check this

    In a 5-2 decision, the Florida Supreme Court on Monday ordered that Thomas Knight’s scheduled execution be delayed so he can argue that a new drug used to sedate a prisoner at the start of the lethal injection process could subject him to “serious harm.” Knight, also known as Askari Abdullah Muhammad, had been scheduled to die at Florida State Prison on Dec. 3.

    Florida is the only state in the U.S. that uses midazolam hydrochloride as an anesthetic in the first stage of a three-drug lethal injection mixture. The new drug replaced pentobarbital after the state Department of Corrections exhausted its supply.

    Read more: http://deathpenaltynews.blogspot.com/#ixzz2lDxHUS5W

    • Mr_Blobby

      “serious harm” Maybe if he survives the procedure, death is considered reasonably serious as nobody survives it.

      • Chancey

        its all a bucket of shit

  • Harry B’Stard

    The jabbed him already, he’s dead.

  • Harry B’Stard

    A bullet to the head makes a mess to clean up, perhaps the others on death row could do it before their turn?

    • sandynobb

      Also damages eyes, which could be donated.

      • Ronnie Chow

        A killers eyes may ‘contain’ some of it’s consciousness , as it is being kept alive . Not such a good idea .

  • ex-JAFA

    Just do a survey of the prisoners afterwards to see if any have a complaint to make about any pain or inconvenience. I’ll bet none do.

  • conwaycaptain

    It is cheaper tpo give these criminals LIFE than it is to execute them.
    When I was a kid in the UK they still had hanging and it was usually about 3 weeks from judgement to execution and that included appeals

    • Liberty

      This chap might be low life scum. But keeping a man on death
      row for 36yrs is barbaric.

  • drummerboy

    Shouldn’t be killing anyone for crimes. Killing them in self defense is ok, But i think killing someone once you catch them and they are no longer a risk is a tad psycho… but been whale oil you probably all disagree haha

    • Pissedoffyouth

      You miss the point – why should taxpayers have to be punished to house and feed this crook for the rest of his life?

      • drummerboy

        after the appeals process and the decades they spend waiting it is normally cheaper to lock them up for life. I say they lock them up but make them have to sustain them selves through hard labour.

        • johnbronkhorst

          Have you taken into account the cost housing?..When the next scumbag goes to prison (during his lifetime), we must build a new cell for him instead of the past tenant vacating and allowing room for the next tenant.

          • drummerboy

            pretty sure not everyone who goes to prison goes there for life.

          • johnbronkhorst

            But we are talking about the difference between life in prison and the death penalty.

          • drummerboy

            yeah. As lesser criminals leave prison they free up space for life sentence prisoners. anyway if we are just talking about financial costs why don’t we just kill everyone who has to serve more than say 20 years regardless of crime? It’s because the death penalty is motivated by revenge not saving money.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Not true. there are more lesser criminal rotating the bed space as well….we are talking about lifers here.

          • Bazar

            “As lesser criminals leave prison they free up space for life sentence prisoners. ”
            And what about the room for lesser criminals now being taken up by lifers.

            Thats just stupid logic.
            As for it being cheaper to give them life, thats disputed. It certainly is cheaper short term to give them LowP (Life without Parole).
            At least in the US, the difference in court costs is about 1.5 years for LwoP, vs 4 years legal wranglings for a death sentence

            But you have to consider that you’ll be paying for accommodation for the rest of their remaining natural lives, that will slowly tilt the cost of a death sentence being cheaper long term.

            Then there is the idea of justice.
            There are some people that should just be executed, both to set an example, and act as a deterrent.

            Finally draw this idea of justice, so that people who believe in happy thoughts, can have a taste of reality.
            Lets take an extreme hypothetical case, If someone came into your home, bashed and then raped both your wife and 2 daughters in unspeakable ways, then slowly continued to mutilate them till they were dead, one after the other.

            Could you still make an argument that its cheaper to let him live?
            Could you live with the “justice” each night you go home to an empty house, knowing that while your family is dead, with their last moments in agony, their murderer was being served 3 meals a day

            Some people deserve to die. To just dismiss all possibilities of issuing a death sentence is ludicrous to me.

          • drummerboy

            lol. that is a plot from a movie i have seen (can’t remember the name). Death penalty is not justice, it is revenge. I just think there are better ways to punish prisoners.

          • Bazar

            a death penalty can be, and is sometimes the only justice possible.
            To just disregard the death sentence as “revenge” is dishonest at best.
            I may as well call a life sentence the same thing, revenge without lethal force.
            The only real difference between revenge and justice, is if its personal or not.
            I don’t need to be personally involved, to want, expect, and demand a death sentence for any bastard of the type i listed.
            As that’s the closest to real justice that can be given.

          • Pissedoffyouth

            If they have killed someone in cold blood they should be.

            Life should be life, or with a death sentence life should be death.

            i only support death sentence if there is video evidence or even a large amount of witnesses or something – not just suspicion.

          • johnbronkhorst

            Absolute PROOF….agreed.

          • Ronnie Chow

            “If they have killed someone in cold blood they should be.”

            Disagree . Wanton murder of strangers by sociopaths . Yes.
            Wife killing abusive husband . No.

          • Pissedoffyouth

            Wrong – you should never take a life unless it is punishment by society. The abusive husband never gets a chance to defend himself – the wfire could maim him and then stand trial but killed in cold blood? No

          • Ronnie Chow

            And if society is Stalin’s Soviet Union , millions are ‘punished’ , that’s ok ?
            You will have to define society .

        • HtD

          It’s expensive in the US because their system is crap. We set up a much better 3 strikes than the US – we learned from their mistakes. We could set up a quick and cheaper appeal process and execute within weeks. Best of both worlds and protects prison guards too.

    • johnbronkhorst

      “Killing them in self defense is ok”
      Since we are killing them in defence of society considering their offences were murderous and are now financial, against society., We are defending our selves from further abuse!!
      Therefore you are PRO capital punishment, like me,…..no?

      • drummerboy

        that’s a bit of a stretch. financial cost of death out weighs life in most cases. there are ways punishment could profit society rather than cost it.

        • johnbronkhorst

          Not the only reason for the death penalty…….PUNISHMENT

        • Ronnie Chow

          Bullshit . Put them to sleep , dig a hole , drop a block of concrete on their heads and fill in the hole . Less than a thousand bucks.

    • Ronnie Chow

      “no longer a risk” , except for the Prison Guards , one of whom was killed not so long ago .

      • Ronnie Chow

        In 2010, Waikato prison guard Jason Palmer, 33, died after being punched by prisoner Latu Kepu.

        Figures from the Corrections Department show that 356 workers were assaulted by prisoners in the 2011-12 financial year. This includes serious, non-serious and non-injury assaults.

  • John Q Public

    How long was he on Death Row, 30 years??

  • wanarunna

    Now here is something useful Melissa Bachman could do.

    • johnbronkhorst

      She could give them a running start!!

  • Orange

    “But his fate was sealed early on Wednesday (local time) when the US
    Supreme Court upheld a federal appeals court ruling that overturned two
    stays granted Tuesday evening by district court judges in Missouri”

    He has officially now met God and presumed to be surprised to find out he’s Jewish.

    • Eiselmann

      Yeah that could be a problem for him, his chance of making a good first impression has been blown by his reputation preceding him

  • James M

    Here’s an interesting little snippet, Jay Chapman the creator of the “Chapman Protocol” (aka 3 stage lethal injection) thinks the guillotine should be brought back.
    I read this a few weeks back

    “Dr. Jay Chapman, the creator of the three-drug cocktail, supports ditching his 1977 invention due to its reputation for causing slow, painful deaths. “The simplest thing I know of is the guillotine,” he told CNN in 2007. “And I’m not at all opposed to bringing it back. The person’s head is cut off and that’s the end of it.””

    • GORDON GIBSON

      Trouble is they are already whining about ‘the mess’ they have to clean up after a simple bullet to the head. There would be a hell of a mess to clean up after a chopping.
      I guess you are aware of numerous reports there has been several thousand new guillotines been built and are stored in secret in the US.
      Or have I been on too many whacky websites lately?

  • John

    But it’s not his fault! society let him down, why should he suffer because (pick one of the following) he had bad parents, he was bullied at school, he was forced to use drugs, one of his distant relatives was persecuted?

  • John1234

    They obvously got over it and finished the job using the single drug method, and it sounds like it all went according to plan:

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9425041/Racist-serial-killer-Joseph-Franklin-executed

  • ratmuncher

    If they must execute, at least a bullet to the head is more honest and quicker – opposed the creepy automatic, hands off injection contraptions. But who other than a psychopath would want it as a job.

    • Ronnie Chow

      There is no shortage .

      • ratmuncher

        Ha Ha – conclusion above confirmed.

  • DLNZ

    The whole “pain” thing is ridiculous. Midazolam is used by paramedics here in NZ to sedate patients, Propofol is the drug of choice for surgery (and Michael Jackson). If its good enough to administer it to the general population on an every day basis then it can’t be all that painful.

  • Eiselmann

    I’ve always been in favour of using white island for people like him in our legal system ..no water and food of course.
    If I was a relative of one of his victims I’d have no issue with watching him scream in agony as he died , infact I’d be disappointed if he didn’t scream, but I guess fair is fair if the judge is worried this lowlife will feel pain as he died I’m sure someone would volunteer to beat him into unconsciousness before he gets injected…so theres no pain felt in the actual carrying out of the death penalty.

    • James M

      I too have thought of white island being used as con college.
      Drop them off with a fishing line and a packet of pilchards

  • Team ENZ

    Is pain only applicable when these lowlifers inflict upon their victims, but not the other way round? Bloody do-gooders round the world have no concern for the victims but alot of concern for these lowlifes? may I wish Karma be upon these do-gooders.

  • Col

    They could have DYC stool, rope, when you arrive or we can do it for you, better still you could be let go in the forest and have Melissa stalk you.

  • steve and monique

    Bullet to the head. To quick, and not enough suffering.

  • Te Kapua

    “The judicial killing of a man is placed in its proper perspective and has no longer a place in a civilised community” R.D. Muldoon, extracted from what Muldoon regards as his “best speech in the house”.
    Whether we regard any US community as civilised is another matter. Having recently lost my father to cancer, I have formed the view that taking a life does not punish the correct person. It is societies response to outrage, anger, confusion. No matter the circumstances, it requires a degree of interpretation from the judiciary as even a confession would only yield a commuted sentence. Capital punishment is far from an effective deterrent.

    Any reasonable justification is simply absent.

    • GORDON GIBSON

      You said: ‘Capital punishment is far from an effective deterrent’.
      Don’t forget in London a few hundred years ago, when they used to publicly hang pick-pockets as young as 12 years old…There would be kids going through the crowd….picking pockets.

    • Ronnie Chow

      Unless we want to get rid of the enemy . What is the difference between killing Taliban , 100% guilty murderers , or Saddam , other than the situation .

      Deterrent is not the point . Saving our dignity and our sanity by killing the enemy who is trying to kill us , is the point .
      Who in their right mind would suggest capturing all the Taliban and imprisoning them ?

      • Te Kapua

        The obvious difference is we, as a rule, don’t kill people. You propose killing without a declaration of war or trial?

        As far as I’m aware, we, here in NZ. have no “enemies”. We do have a unique record of keeping our allies honest when it comes to sending our guys to fight on their behalf.

        Despite the chest-thumping going on here, I like the fact we live in relative peace with the unfortunates of our society. It seems a worthy use of my tax dollars.

  • baw

    No need for a bullet – too messy
    No need for a rope – on occasion can rip a head off.
    No need for injections – some conjecture that there may be pain involved.
    No need for the electric chair – messy, cooks the body, electric shocks cause pain.
    No need for the gas chamber – do you like tear gas?

    Aspiciation – simply remove all the oxygen from the air, say feed them a stream of nitrogen gas and it all ends simply. Cheap and no FDA consent for drugs required. Also much easier for the executioner. No need to do any injections. People who nearly died from lack of oxygen report that it was not a painful experience.

    • Ronnie Chow

      Just put them in a room with William Dwane Bell , our own candidate for State sponsored execution . Then fill the room with Carbon Monoxide.

      Or perhaps for Bell , the slow slicing , also translated as the slow process, the lingering death, or death by a thousand cuts . This was a form of torture and execution used in China from roughly AD 900 until it was banned in 1905. In this form of execution, the condemned person was killed by using a knife to methodically remove portions of the body over an extended period of time. The term língchí derives from a classical description of ascending a mountain slowly. Lingchi was reserved for crimes viewed as especially severe, such as treason and killing one’s parents. The process involved tying the person to be executed to a wooden frame, usually in a public place. The flesh was then cut from the body in multiple slices in a process that was not specified in detail in Chinese law and therefore most likely varied.

      This could take up to 3 days . Our Fijian brothers used to cut pieces off the living victim and eat them in front of them .
      Sadly , now , our society has reverted to the more humane mental torture of prolonged imprisonment for the Evildoers amongst us . That’s progress.

  • Ronnie Chow

    Just set them free to be bred purely for sport .
    Closer to home , would any of you hotshots accept an invitation to shoot a Lion at Zion Wildlife Park ? Just for the rush and the rug ?

  • Arran Hunt

    What’s wrong with using a new drug? The eventual purpose is death, if he should feel it a little he won’t remember it for long. I have no time for racists.

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