Hand in your No8 wire and go hide in shame

Matt Stewart reports on a bunch of wet blouse Kiwis living in Australia that have imported the nation’s most insidious rot:  the victim mentality

A Kiwi rights lobby in Australia is threatening legal action against Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp after its papers ran stories painting New Zealanders as dole bludgers and backdoor migrants.

David Faulkner, of the OzKiwi website, said he was appalled by articles that appeared on Saturday in Brisbane’s Courier Mail, the Northern Territory News and other Murdoch-owned mastheads featuring headlines such as “Kiwi layabouts are flooding in”, and “Immigration back door”.

He said the articles played on statistically dubious, racially charged stereotypes of New Zealanders – especially Pacific Islanders and Asians.

“We believe it’s unlawful racial vilification, which breaches the Racial Discrimination Act,” Faulkner said.

“It appears to be little more than a racist beatup based upon deceptively presented and ill-interpreted statistics in order to fabricate a story during the slow Christmas period.”

OzKiwi has drafted a letter of complaint to News Corp, which it has posted on its Facebook page.

It has gathered more than 1000 signatures for a “massive class action” against the media giant, which would be launched if the group did not receive a retraction and apology, Faulkner said.

He accused News Corp of promoting myths of the Kiwi dole bludger and the idea that migrants used New Zealand citizenship as a “backdoor” route into Australia.

Oh shut up already.  You’re embarrassing yourself and the rest of us.  

Faulkner said it was dangerous for both countries to have the press pushing the bludger stereotype, along with claims in the Courier Mail that “tens of thousands of South Pacific and Asian migrants are using NZ as a back door to duck Australia’s tough migration controls”.

Another News Corp article said Australia’s “welfare crackdown is forcing jobless Kiwi migrants to sardine into shared houses with friends and extended family on the fringes of major cities”.

“People think you’ve got all these coloured people – not the nice white people – sneaking in through the back door from New Zealand,” Faulkner said.

“Is News Corp only concerned about the possibility of ‘backdoor’ migration by non-Europeans? If we keep going this way, we’re heading to further deterioration between the two nations.”

Explaining is losing.  If there’s something that Ozzies hate more than bludgers, it is entitled bludgers with a victim mentality.

Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully said the Government was aware of the problems faced by some Kiwis living in Australia.

“New Zealanders planning to move to Australia need to make sure they are aware of their rights and entitlements, and make sure they have backup if things don’t go to plan,” McCully said

New Zealanders had the most free access of any foreign citizens to live, work or study in Australia.

“Freedom of movement across the Tasman is a longstanding pillar of the Australia-New Zealand relationship. It benefits both countries, and both governments are committed to retaining this.”

McCully is being way too diplomatic of course.  Auntie Helen threw us under the bus.  Kiwis in Australia are not there on an equal footing, and are not entitled to government financial support that is on offer for anyone else.  Kiwis in Australia are already second class citizens.

But that’s well known, and no problem to anyone with a No8 wire can-do attitude and the backstop of being able to run back to New Zealand if it gets too tough for any that are precious petals.

David Faulkner is a whining little bitch and should go live within walking distance of Work and Income in Tokoroa.

  • Ben

    Demonstrating once again that Muldoon was correct in saying that NZ migrants to oz raised the IQ level of bothe countries.

    • VivaLasOzzy

      Your obviously a narrow minded dumb fuck

  • Chiefsfan73

    What has Tokoroa done to deserve him.

    • Adam Michaels

      Luck of the draw, poor sods!

  • Custard

    Having lived in Sydney for 3 years, I can absolutely confirm that there are kiwis in Australia that go over with no plans, no job, high expectations and end up being stuck there and broke. And some I talked to were even arrogant enough to blame Australia for it.

    • johnbronkhorst

      I went there broke, chasing a girl (like the immature idiot that I was). Turned around after 2 weeks (after that fell apart, BIG surprise), found I had no money, living in a hostel in Kings Cross, about to be evicted. It was then that I grew up by at least 10 years, got a job (a shitty one, but it paid wages) and never looked back.

      • Custard

        And credit where credit is due. You obviously didn’t feel like a state owed you anything.

        • Mo

          The vast majority of Kiwis living in Australia don’t actually think that anyway. They have about as much interest in getting the dole as you have in learning what this story is actually about. Zilch!

          • Custard

            I never said the majority of kiwis think that way. I merely said that, through my own experiences across the ditch, I have come across my fair share that fall into the category of having no plan, and even less blamed the state. . Nothing more, nothing less. I don’t see why you have a problem with that, or can you not accept that there is some truth to the original article?

          • Mo

            The problem is Custard the article you refer to as “The Original Article” is in fact a letter to the editor in response to a number of articles. The pages seems to have totally missed the beginning of the story.

            David Faulkner TV3 Interview and Trish Routley’s ‘story’ are actually in response to a story written by Natasha Bita which was published in a number of Australian Newspapers on Dec 28th with headlines like “Kiwi Layabouts are flooding in” and “Immigration Backdoor”.

            Cameron Slater and you seem to have missed these items completely and gone off half cocked about this issue.

            If you truely want to understand what is going on then you need to talk to somebody who knows about it instead of doing this.

    • Adam Michaels

      I fail to see the problem- if Kiwis go over there with their eyes open and have realistic expectations they have a chance to do well. And if they try hard and it doesn’t work out- what the hell- it is life experience- Kiwis are lucky , they can still return to NZ and have a go at something else for a crust.

      • Custard

        If they can.

        • Adam Michaels

          I appreciate that most people go to Oz to work and for some, if they loose their job in the lucky country, that there isn’t much back NZ

          • Basorexic

            I moved here with my husband 6 years ago, we had 2 kids, then he quite suddenly upped and left me for another woman. I was a full time mum at the time, had no car, no family and no access to social services to help me get on my feet.

            He put the kids on the ‘no-fly’ list and due to the Hague Convention, the only way I can return to NZ is if I leave my kids here.

            So I’m forced to live in a country where I’m denied basic social services, where my Aussie born kids are denied disability assistance and my only path to citizenship is marrying an Australian.

      • Mo

        Adam how could these people have predicted the changes?

        What about guys like Russell Crowe who went to Australia as a child and was working out of the country when Australia changed the laws in 2001 effectively preventing him from gaining PR and therefore citizenship. He was 6 years old, what the hell chance did he have of making an informed decision about immigrating to Australia, or making sure he was in the country so he could comply with Australia’s rules that they didn’t advertise they were about to change.

        Australia put the guy on a stamp FFS! ………. he is still not an Australian!

        and he doesn’t moan about the dole either.

        • Adam Michaels

          Mo, predicting the changes that politicians make to agreements is a difficult thing. And I know from my own experiences working in other countries that there is always the chance of the goal posts being shifted.
          We go work in another nation and we are optimistic and sometimes it works out well. But there is always a risk of the unexpected in a foreign land because they don’t have to account to non-citizens.
          And there is little individuals can do about it. Is it fair? Probably not, but beyond our control.

      • Rob O’Connor

        The problem is if we make a good go of it and then choose to call Australia home and raise our Australian born children here and want to further contribute to the running of this fine nation, we cannot fully do so, we cannot vote, we are unable to work in certain federal government jobs and cannot serve in the military. Then god forbid something happens to me or my children, I will have NO means to support the because despite paying taxes since moving over here, and having to contribute to the national disability scheme, I/we are entitled to none of it. The main thing I want is a fair path to citizenship for kiwis who choose to move over permanently and call Australia home, not to have the right to the dole the second I got off the plane.

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

          Become an Australian then…and fuck off permanently. Instead you are trying to have it both ways,

          • Rob O’Connor

            Thats what all this is about, kiwis have no pathway to citizenship, yes we are entitled to live and work and pay taxes, Like myself and my family there are a lot of us who wish to live here for the remainder of our lives, we have no plans to return to New Zealand, I can’t see where I said I want it both ways so let me put it this way We want to be able to get citizenship, we want a fair opportunity, nothing more.
            And just to be clear, I am one of the few luck ones who where able to get PR and in November this year I will be applying for citizenship, I do however have New Zealand friends who at this stage will never have that opportunity, despite making this great place home, their kids, despited knowing little of New Zealand will never have the opportunities afforded to their Australian born friends such as the right to vote, the right to defend this country by serving in the armed forces, the right to really call Australia home.

          • Mo

            Cameron you are not even smart. You clearly don’t get this issue.

          • Mo

            Jeeezus Cameron! You’re a whole lot dumber than the newpapers make you out to be. If you had have a brain and some balls you’d get off your fat ass and do some serious investigation into this issue because come NZ election time you can bet me and a whole lot of other Kiwis living permanently in Australia will be voting in NZ.

            Having no political voice in Australia doesn’t mean we have no political voice in NZ. At some point NZ will have to do more than negotiate trade deals with Australia and actually address the real issue at stake. The one you have so conveniently ignored because you’re too bloody lazy to investigate the real story.

            Kiwis in Aussie if you haven’t already enrolled to vote this useless excuse for humanity just gave you an excellent reason to get it done. So long as you have been in NZ in the last 3 years you can sign up here.

            http://www.elections.org.nz/

        • Adam Michaels

          What is the actual difficulty for you in obtaining citizenship? What exact impediment has been placed in your way by the Australian government?

          • Rob O’Connor

            New Zealand and Australia have had freedom of movement between the two countries since the early 1900s in the 1970 the Trans-Tasman travel arrangement was brought in.
            “The Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement was announced in 1973. It allows Australian and New Zealand citizens to enter one another’s country to visit, live and work, without the need to apply for authority to enter the other country before traveling. This arrangement is unique under Australia’s migration arrangements.”
            This allowed citizens of each country to travel and work in the other without the need to apply for visas, they were until 1st Sep 1994 granted PR on arrival, for various reasons, which people today still believe to be an issue, such as kiwis coming and accessing social services as soon as they arrived, things were tightened up, and so they should, I completely agree that Kiwis should not be able to hop off a plane and get access to these, they were how ever still eligible to apply for PR and subsequently citizenship, On the 26 feb 2001 this changed and unless you met certain conditions you were ineligible for PR and there for citizenship

            Now Kiwis are entilted to apply for PR visas, such as skilled migrant or be sponsored by employees, just like the rest of the world, and thats fine if you can go down this road, however just some food for thought, not all Kiwis who move over want to remain permanently some just want the experience or a working holiday, some want to make a quick buck in the mines to get ahead before going back to their life in NZ, others come and fall in love with this country and wish to call it home, they may not meet the fluid requirements for a skilled migrant visa, they might start a relationship with an Australian, have a family and if it all goes south not want to go back and Ditch their kids, there can be all sorts of reasons but I have made this long enough

            All we are asking for is a path way, even if it means living and working here for 5 or even 10 years before been eligible to apply for PR and even then having to show cause, such as tax returns, proof of ties and contributions to australia etc, give those of us that want to be called Australian a chance to do so. Is that really to much?

            http://www.immi.gov.au/Live/Pages/new-zealand-citizens.aspx

          • Adam Michaels

            So, let me understand this. You are saying that currently, NZ citizens are treated no differently to other nationalities regarding applying for PR and following the path for citizenship.
            However, you wish to make a case for those New Zealanders, resident in Australia, who do not met the existing requirements for PR, being given an alternative path way obtain citizenship.
            Have I understood the gist of your comments correctly?

          • Mo

            don’t be a smart ass Adam, you know full well what the issues are

          • Adam Michaels

            As you see fit, Mo.

          • Rob O’Connor

            Thats right, and petty as it may seem it is in reality in keeping with the arrangement already made, and conditions New Zealanders already had. Australians entering New Zealand have that option, as after 2 years they are eligible to vote and obtain citizenship. I am not saying we should be allowed such easy access, as I do acknowledge that there are by far more Kiwis moving to Australia than there are Aussies moving there, However I believe percentage wise it much the same Kiwis in Aus make up 2.9% and Vice versa. Then there is the reality that of the 600,000 Kiwis currently here only a minority would want to remain permanently and if they are contributing why not encourage them to stay. There is the issue of the perceived Dole bludger moving over and mooching, That has been addressed by tightening up on the SCV, It was however a bit like taking a sledge hammer to a walnut, a little too effective. By allowing the few kiwis who wish to be called Australian a way to, lets say, upgrade their SCV to become PR should not be a huge issue when you take into account the contribution they would have made in the 5 or 10 years they have been here before been eligible, add to that the fact that who in their right mind would wait that long just to be able to bludge and I don’t see how it is a problem.

          • Adam Michaels

            Thanks, Rob

    • Mo

      By the same token there are huge numbers who went to Australia with their children shortly after 2001 when the law changes were not well publicised and no way to predict that Australia would continue to change the laws to exclude New Zealand hard working tax paying permanent residents of Australia. If you think this issue is just about being able to get the dole then you have missed all the really important parts of it.

      • Custard

        Again, read what is written. I am not commenting on the overall subject of the article, but commenting that I have had experiences with kiwis over the which are relevant to it. Simple as that.

        • Mo

          The problem is Custard this is not THE ORIGINAL ARTICLE! It’s actually a response to something that was published on Dec 28th.

          The major problem I have with what has happened here is that once again Cameron Slater has proven he is not a journalist.

          THere is actually a really good story here, and if stopped to listen instead of trying to grab headlines at the expense of others he may actually regain some of the credibility he’s lost recently.

          I find it really sad and disappointing.

          • Mo

            and I’d like to point out that if New Zelanders regardless of where they live are ok with being trashed by the Australian News Media like this then you have no balls at all.

            They’re not just talking about Kiwis in Aussie, they’re talking about All Kiwis! You guys have totally missed this story.

          • Custard

            Mo, I am very aware this is not the original article. And again, I commented on MY experiences that were relevant to some (not all) sections of the comments made. As much as it seems you want to discredit me on this, they are my own experiences that I had while living there and working in various volunteer organisations in Sydney and outer areas. You are trying to make out as if I am in support of the usual stereotypical kiwi bashing that happens over there. That is not the case. I am respectfully not going to carry on with this as both you and I are on completely different pages about this and there is no point in carrying on discussing it on a web forum.

    • Greg Ngamotu

      So what you are saying custard is 1 out of 10000 kiwis have come to Australia with no plans. What about the Kiwis that have moved here and have been working and paying Australian taxes. Do they deserve better than what is offered now.

      • Custard

        Greg, finally someone who can read, as opposed to mo. I made no comment as to the ones who are actually working over there and am in absolute agreement that those kiwis should be up to scratch to what we offer Aussies here, or preferably more as I generally feel we tend to be better workers overall.

      • Custard

        For some reason my reply didn’t come up, so, again. Thank you for reading and actually thinking about what I put down Greg. From my time there I would say it’s more like 10 in 100 in Sydney, but most who do that end up with some job in the suburbs and have family over ther who can usually help out financially. Non event really, as they will either come home or get a full time job. Then there is the flip side, as mentioned in my op. As for your question, I’m all in favour of kiwis getting equivalent to what Aussies get here, or better.

  • johnbronkhorst

    Because it is so easy to go to Australia, these people don’t see it for what it is….
    A Foreign country. Like all other countries in this world, you must respect the locals (or leave). If you want the same rights and privileges as the locals, emigrate and become an Aussie, other wise shut up and say thank you to them for ALLOWING you the scope that you do have.

    • Mo

      I’m personally extremely grateful for the opportunities that Australia provides, and as a hard working tax payer I’d like to be treated at least equal with the other permanent residents of this country. The right to vote would be good, the right to NDIS which I am effectively excluded from because I was born in NZ.

      Kiwi kids here arriving after 2001 and having completed their schooling here still don’t even get a student loan, they can’t join the armed forces or work for Government Departments either. How about student concessions for travel in Vic?…. or what about Government housing can’t get that either.

      Do you guys have any clue what NZ does for Australians who arrive in NZ? It’s like fucken MacDonalds for Aussies! They arrive there and NZ says “Welcome! you’re one of us now, can we upsize you?! Here you go have this emergency benefit, and a State house, never mind that you never paid a bean in taxes here.”

      • johnbronkhorst

        SO what!!! You are still a foreigner in a foreign country. If you don’t like it……… LEAVE otherwise STFU or become an Australian!!

        • Tehinenga Pakeho

          Thats all you aussies say is “if you dont like it leave”….your fukn lucky the abo’s didnt turn your boats away when you criminal pricks rocked up

          • johnbronkhorst

            Dum fuck…I am a kiwi, living and working in NZ.
            double dum fuck…I have lived in Aus. when you could claim the dole …I didn’t I recognised the FACT that I was living, by choice in THEIR country. I got a job, paid taxes and said THANK YOU for the opportunity.

        • Tehinenga Pakeho

          We aint gonna leave and we aint gonna STFU, we will stand up for what we believe in and if that upsets you then thats your problem. We work fukn hard like the next aussie, pay taxes like the next aussie, work in positions where we are saving the lives of the next aussie yet we cant even have a fukn say in where our tax dollars go? our 5 billion dollars worth of tax? You might be use to sucking aussie cock but we aint!

          • Darren Waller

            You tell him :)

          • johnbronkhorst

            Dum fuck;…..you are in THEIR country!!!!!

            Paste to you what I said to the cowardly guest.

            Dum fuck…I am a kiwi, living and working in NZ.
            double dum fuck…I have lived in Aus. when you could claim the dole …I didn’t I recognised the FACT that I was living, by choice in THEIR country. I got a job, paid taxes and said THANK YOU for the opportunity.

          • Jimbo

            English is a second language for you my friend. Brae time is it? My condolences to you and your fellow South African countryman, with regards to Nelson Mandelas passing. You appear to have been one of the back door fuckers mentioned my friend! YOU LEAVE AND GO HOME!

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            No shit! We are all paying our way just like aussies but your too much of a drop nuts to ask for the same rights as we give them then thats your choice but we aint going to juggle aussie dick in our mouth like you do

        • Darren Waller

          Dick head …… Kiwis can not become Australians, So you STFU !

          • johnbronkhorst

            Yes they can!!! dick head!!!!!

          • Ettienne Lambrecht

            Actually they can not. I have been here 10 years and still can not apply for PR. BTW are you ex South African?)

          • Dave

            Yes they can!! Get the forms read them, fill them out, pay he fees and good luck. Whilst there is little chance of getting PR, you can actually apply, unless there is something your not mentioning such as a strong of criminal convictions.

          • Ettienne Lambrecht

            Oops sorry, Got the forms, read them – too old, not enough points – no PR! And definitely NO citizenship.

          • Dave

            Ettienne, that sounds racist! What difference is it if JBH is South African, English, American or god forbid, an Australian even!

          • Ettienne Lambrecht

            You should read the definition of racism: “the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.” I asked about his NATIONALITY not his race!

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

        Become Australians if you love it so much.

        • Basorexic

          With pleasure… except I don’t (and as things currently stand won’t ever) qualify.

          That is the issue here. It’s that a newborn baby can be moved to Australia, grow up here, be educated here, work his whole life and even as an old man who has spent 99.99% of his life in Australia won’t qualify for citizenship at any point in his life.

          There is NO path to citizenship for a large portion of the Kiwis living in Australia.

        • Mo

          Shut up Cameron you are immaterial here.

        • Kiefer Donald

          By the way it is ironic that such a fat figure would refer to himself as ‘Whale Oil’. Very clever. You are, however, at a very unhealthy weight level, which is perhaps why you are so upset with your life. Sort this out before you try to put others down.

      • Mac

        It’s difficult, sometimes impossible, for Australians to get public housing. Student travel concessions aren’t available to any overseas students in Victoria. The state government subsidises all public transport in Victoria for all travellers and don’t see why there should be more subsidies on top of that.

    • Kiefer Donald

      Do you live in Australia ? If not shut the FUCK UP. Refugees coming here on boats are getting more rights than we are. And yet we are paying tax to come here, let a lone to live and thrive. Why do we as KIWIS deserve such unfair treatment from our ‘sister country’ ?

  • GazzW

    Kiwis are by far and away the most privileged group of migrants in Australia. Who else can board a plane, get off in Sydney, go get a job and stay for the rest of their lives should they choose to do so. So the social welfare rules are a bit tough and they aren’t fair because Kiwis pay taxes. Well that’s tough BUT they knew the rules before they went and many were keen enough even to stick the boot into NZ before they left. The message is to either come home (I hope not!) or take out Aussie citizenship. You’re giving a bad name so shut the fuck up.

    • Mel

      The thing is, while most people did do their research before moving to Aussie a lot of the information was either misleading or completely wrong. You obviously have no idea that it is near on impossible for post-Feb 2001 arrivals to even get permanent residency unless they have the necessary skills, can get employer sponsorship or they have a family member or partner who can sponsor them. Permanent residency status is required to apply for citizenship, so just how do you think they should “take out Aussie citizenship” when they aren’t eligible for permanent residency? You’re the one who should shut the fuck up.

      • johnbronkhorst

        Misleading….you should read the shit they sent my wife, before she came back here with me.

      • johnbronkhorst

        Then get eligible and stop fucking moaning!!!
        You are in a foreign country when you go their!!!

        • Mel

          I’m not “fucking moaning”. I’ve been here since 1988 and am an Australian citizen.

          • johnbronkhorst

            so what all the moaning about???

          • Mel

            I was simply pointing out what is required to obtain citizenship for the benefit of GazzW who seems to think it is a walk in the park.

          • Dave

            John I respect your comments, however, kiwis are 2nd class citizens in Aussie, and it’s almost impossible to get Australian Citizenship as a kiwi. I am an Aussie citizen, arrived here in the early 90’s and became a citizen in the late 90’s after serving on many community organizations. Moved back to NZ for a short stint (still working for an Aussie company) and moved back in 2011 however, my wife is highly unlikey to get citizenship despite her owning our company which employs several other Aussies, working as a medical specialist earring well into 6 figures and being On the desired specialist list for immigration. The issue, first it’s almost $5k for the PR application, then the citizenship application. Both harder for kiwis that Brits, Saffers or even Americans. Like many others we have never ever had a handout! But she would like to vote etc. the Aussie government IS discriminating against kiwis, all we want is a level playing field with others.

            PS The law was passed as too many lazy Whanau Kiwis had started coming over here in the late 90’s as it was easier to get benefits in Aussie than NZ.

          • Rob O’Connor

            Dave Sorry I can’t seem to PM you, Don’t want to be presumptuous but if your wife is Kiwi and she was in Australia prior to 1 sep 1994 for any reason she may be able to get a returning resident visa.

            http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/155-157.aspx

            Also, if this is not an option are you trying for a partner visa or a skilled migrant as she should be entitled to a partnership visa.

            http://www.immi.gov.au/migrants/family/family-visas-partner.htm

            Again sorry I couldn’t work out how to do this in a PM, any questions feel free to look me up on facebook.

          • Dave

            Rob Much appreciated The issue us she is my 2nd wife she only arrived in Aussie in 2011! Little hope unfortunately, the odds are stacked a little against us. But, we will keep trying and just pay as it’s importAnt to us. Thanks again, really appreciated!

    • Darren Waller

      Your a complete muppet !

      • johnbronkhorst

        and that would make you a self mobilized hand puppet!!
        ie got your hand up your own ass.

        • Jimbo

          You need a pussklap

  • Mr_Blobby

    Sorry Whale Boy as a nation we handed in our No 8 fencing wire some time ago.

    For some time now the incentive has been to opt out and more and more are doing it. This trend will only accelerate as people realize that due to the ever increasing TAX requirements from the Government to fund everything, those working will feel more like they are on a tread mill and it is easier to step off and let those left carry the burden.

    The very rich will, if they have not already, be TAX resident elsewhere, Lower wage workers with big families are already better off not working. The middle class and small businesses are seen as easy targets for a whole lot of unnecessary extra Taxes, compliance costs the list is literally endless, with Councils and Government departments falling over each other in the race to gather funding. Some will climb out of it others will drop out, the end result is that those with the ability to fund everything for everyone else will slowly disappear.

    This is an inevitable process and will all end very badly. Fortunately other Countries are further down this path and at some stage the real bad news will filter past the propaganda establishment and we will see the problems and social unrest that other, so called first world, Countries are facing.

    • Don W

      As M thatcher said , socialism works until they run out of other people’s money

  • Phill

    “People think you’ve got all these coloured people – not the nice white people – sneaking in through the back door from New Zealand,” Faulkner said.

    haha…talk to me about dubious, racially charged stereotypes again mate!

    • Gerald

      You’ve missed it totally mate. Have you read the news article hes (Faulkner) referring to?
      It Implies and directs its assault mainly towards the Asian and Pacific Island people. Where when it comes to a similar colored race, you see no highlighting of a problem there. Clearly the person that wrote the story has a personal stigma yet refuses to voice it in a equal manner.

      • Mo

        Totally Agree with you Gerald. Cameron has really missed the actual story here.

  • Night Stick

    Our whole ethics as a nation has been skewed by the blasted Treaty, where some hold their hands out and they are showered with money, where WINZ softens the blows in life, where we just can’t hit rock bottom and climb out by ourselves. PC also prevents useful criticism.

    • Odd Ball

      Australia is very PC at the moment & similar to how NZ was during the last of the clark years. ie, everyone feels good about themselves, but the economies stuffed & there is red tape everywhere. Don’t write off NZ yet.

  • Dave

    The original story was, well written in true Trained and Skilled Journo style, just make shit up, it appears the Herald style of Writing has made it to Aussie. At least someone is putting the story straight

  • Mo

    Cameron it looks like you don’t have a great handle on this story mate. Perhaps time to hone your investigative skills or maybe even talk to somebody………… naaah never mind… you’re gonna find out soon enough

  • Tehinenga Pakeho

    You aussies can stick your dole payments where the sun dont shine! We dont want your freaking dole and havent been receiving it since 2001. The only bludgers us tax paying kiwi’s are supporting are you blunt aussies!!!

    • Bob

      Go back to NZ if you don’t like tit. Australia’s our country

      • Mo

        We love it and we’re here to stay Bobby!!

        • Bob

          You won’t be saying they when the SCV is ended and kiwis have to apply for a working visa like other nationalities. The current government is looking at doing this now.

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            As if they would even pass this. We contribute more than 5 billion dollars to the Australian economy. It would be a huge blow to you A-holes!

          • Bob

            5 Billion is nothing in an economy our size. We can find plenty of people fm other countries to drive forklifts, work in warehouses or drive delivery vans. We would save billions if we got rid of kiwis as our crime rate would fall. Due to the drop in robberies and violent attacks committed by kiwis.
            Remember your a temporary guest in our country. Your legally not a permanent resident or citizen. At any time we could vote to end the SCV and you would be deported.

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            Well thank your lucky stars the abo’s didnt turn your boats away when you criminal pricks rocked up here! Thats something all you aussies seem to forget! You think we turned up with our hands out?? Take a look in the backyard of your ancestors!

          • Bob

            Typical racist comment by an ignorant kiwi calling our native people “Abo’s” they are called Aborigines thank you.

            Yes the majority of you turn up here with your hands out. Why you expect a foreign country to look after you is embarrassing.

            Why kiwis think Australia owes them anything is beyond me.

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            Yet no assistance has been given to us kiwi’s since 2001 and YET we are still portrayed as “bludgers”….come on now. My mother works in emergency services, saving lives of Australian citizens yet she is portrayed as a “bludger”. I work in litigation where I am the last step before repossesion of properties and I am bending over backwards to ensure Australian citizens dont loose their homes yet I am portrayed as a “bludger” because I feel that we should have the same rights in aussie that ausies do in NZ. And I am also known as an aboriginal of my country and I will shorten the name where I see fit! All i see is greed from a nation I once dreamed to become apart of.

          • Bob

            If you want full rights then become a citizen. No body is stopping you. Just don’t expect us to lower our requirements because your a kiwi. We treat everybody equally here.

            What NZ does in its own country is it’s business. Just as what happens in Australia is our business. New Zealanders who are not Australian citizens or permanent residents as foreign nationals have no right to tell us what to do.

            Calling an aboriginal an “Abo” is a racist slur. We don’t call them that.

          • Rob O’Connor

            Bob, thats the problem, most Kiwis, who want to get PR and then citizenship cannot, and thats not just because they drive forklifts or work in warehouses etc this is DR’s, nurses,ambos, firefighters, police officers. Skilled professionals that contribute way more than just tax. I do not know of a single fellow kiwi that haas come over and expected a hand out, I know of a few that have asked in a time of need and been declined, and fair enough, you’re right, no one should be entitled to government support the moment they arrive. Financial assistance, government paid accommodation legal and medical aid the moment you step off the plane, I agree no way if you want that you need to come by boat.

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            its racist coming from you, not from me

          • Bob

            It is racist. Are you saying that kiwis can abuse and call aborigines “Abo’s”? Yes Australians can’t?

            Your a foreign visitor here and not a person of his country

          • Bob

            Your a racist. You don’t belong in my country. Go back to NZ and cook food in the ground.

          • Darren Waller

            kiwis don’t do trivial work like you arse holes do

          • Bob

            I have a high paying job.
            If your talking about trivial then your job as a MSS security centre mall cop hardly rates as a high paying job. FYI your comments calling Aussies idiots has been spread. Expect some backlash

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            While your at it, let your employer know how you like to belittle people because of where theyre from and what they do. I bet in your “high paying job” your company employes the services of security guards too because as we all know, they play a detrimental role in our communities, companies, government agencies ect. If your looking for someone to stalk, try stalking all those aussie dole bludgers and see where my hards earned tax money is going!

          • Bob

            It’s not belittling somebody. If somebody who is a MSS “security guard” calls Australians idiots and reckons he has an important job then he’s sadly mistaken.

          • Darren Waller

            Truthfully that wouldn’t worry me as some of us have important jobs unlike you muppets, you are all soft cocks even the ones that work are …..

          • Bob

            Yes important jobs like being a security guard huh? I can see why we don’t hand out welfare and citizenship to people like you. Your far below our standards.

          • Mo

            I think you mean ‘You’re’ as in ‘You are’ not ‘Your’ as in ‘belonging to you’.

      • Tehinenga Pakeho

        Who said I didnt like the country? Its the original boat people claiming Australia as their own that I dont like BOB

        • Darren Waller

          yeah they should have sunk the original boat people a long time ago lol

          • Bob

            Your a spastic security guard.

        • Mac

          So I guess you aren’t working with any of the infrastructure, social or work structures that ‘the original boat people’ created in Australia then? You’re here as a hunter and gatherer then?

      • Darren Waller

        No its not its the Aboriginals you muppet, your just a freak’n convict !

        • Bob

          I’m born here to Australian parents. I’m a citizen. Your a foreign temp worker here. We have all seen your comments on OZ kiwi referring to Australians as idiots. Your employer MSS security have also been made aware of your views of the country you wish to be a citizen of.

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            WOW, and the number 1 stalker goes to……

          • Bob

            You may enjoy hearing a foreign guest that we are nice enough to “tolerate” in OUR country abusing us. How would you feel about some foreigner in NZ who you were nice enough to allow as a guest into your country referring to all kiwis as idiots?
            His comments have been widely viewed by Australians.

            Funny how he abuses us but wants to live in our country.

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            Nice enough to allow us as guests?? How is branding us as dole bludgers being nice? If someone said that to me then there is no way I am going to show that person respect even if they are a citizen!

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            Also another thing, there is nothing wrong with Darren sharing his views on a social media site. When it becomes illegal, let us know.

      • Mo

        Bobby I suspect you would fail the immigration tests set by your own country.

        • Bob

          I have a university degree and govt job so I doubt it

  • Bob

    Great and accurate article Cameron!
    David Faulkner the “Fuhrer” of Oz Kiwi isn’t even a kiwi… He’s a Pom!
    He has a misguided hatred of Australia who nicely enough tolerate his pitiful whining existence.

  • Mo

    Here you go Cameron and Custard, this is where the story started. Published Dec 28

    The facts of it are totally untrue, the statistics are invented, there has actually been a decrease in the numbers of Kiwis going to Australia to live, and this is the line David Faulkner refers to as racist

    “Another 14,744 Kiwi citizens were born in Asia, 5842 in Africa and 2116 in the Middle East” No mention of “nice white people here”

    What this article does is reinforce the ‘Back Door Immigration’ and ‘Bondi Bludger’ myths of 13 years ago.

    David Faulkner and Trish Routley wrote in response to this article.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=560899463988122&set=pb.454486557962747.-2207520000.1388533506.&type=3&theater

    • Mo

      This is the response to it…….. and your real story.

      Oz Kiwi is the peak independent body advocating for the rights of New Zealanders in Australia.

      On the 28th of December 2013, News Corp Australia published a number of
      variants of an article by Natasha Bita concerning New Zealanders in
      Australia.

      Oz Kiwi has received a considerable number of
      complaints from New Zealand-born and Pasifika-born who have expressed
      concerns that variants of this story have offended, insulted, and
      humiliated them based upon their national origin.

      As the
      publications in question do not appear to represent a fair and accurate
      report, we are concerned that they are racially inflammatory, in breach
      of Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 (Cth).

      In particular, Oz Kiwi is concerned about the following published texts:

      1. “JOBLESS Kiwis are flocking to Australia in search of work and demanding the dole”

      2. “Kiwi layabouts are flooding in”

      3. “TENS of thousands of South Pacific and Asian migrants are using New
      Zealand as a back door to duck Australia’s tough migration controls”

      4. “That means one in every eight of the migrants gained New Zealand
      citizenship before switching to Australia, with 14,744 born in Asia,
      10,592 born in Samoa, 5269 in the Cook Islands, 5842 in Africa, 2754 in
      Fiji and 2116 in the Middle East.”

      The story appears to be
      little more than a racist beat-up based upon deceptively presented and
      ill-interpreted statistics in order to fabricate a story during the slow
      Christmas period – in that:

      • Any article relating to the impact of the 2007-08 GFC on Australian-New Zealand migration is woefully out-of-date;

      • No evidence whatsoever was offered to substantiate that ‘flocks’ of Kiwi layabouts are currently descending upon Australia;

      • The allegation that large numbers of non-NZ-born are deliberately
      abusing the Trans-Tasman Travel Arrangement is similarly not
      substantiated by any fact mentioned in the article.

      • The
      article raises with implied importance that 1 in 8 NZ citizens in
      Australia are not born in New Zealand. However, more than 1 in 8 NZ
      citizens in NZ are not born there. Similarly, nearly 1in 7 Australian
      citizens are not born in Australia. There appears to be little merit in
      raising such an otherwise meaningless statistic unless it is to incite
      emotion based upon national origin.

      • Many Pasifika acquire NZ
      nationality by birth. To imply they are using their birthright to ‘rort’
      Australian immigration is offensive.

      • The article
      specifically racially targets NZ citizens of Asian, Pasifika, African,
      and Middle Eastern descent but raises no ‘concerns’ about those of
      European origins.

      In light of the above, Oz Kiwi asks News
      Limited to print an appropriate retraction and apology given the
      widespread offence caused by this article.”

      • Custard

        Face palm. Yea you just don’t get it. Good luck with your campaign though.

      • Bob

        Can’t handle the truth. OZ kiwi are a pack of wankers.

  • Mo

    NZ probably should be more concerned about what is happening in NZ with regard to Australians arriving there. Aussies arrive in NZ not having paid a single cent in taxes and are immediately available for an emergency benefit. So that is your tax dollars funding Aussies who don’t actually have to work in NZ. It’s amusing that they call Kiwis bludgers especially as Kiwis can’t actually get the dole in Aussie.

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=482610631817006&set=a.454492221295514.1073741827.454486557962747&type=1&theater

    • Tehinenga Pakeho

      Too right! All i hear is kiwi bludgers when firstly, we are not entitled to the dole and secondly, the only bludgers us kiwi tax payers are supporting are aussie bludgers!

    • Bob

      What Aussie in their their right mind would move to NZ? Your dole is worth less than ours!

      • Tehinenga Pakeho

        Well that just goes to show that all you are thinking about is collecting on the dole!

        • Bob

          I’m an Australian citizen and I have never been on the dole. Thank god we closed the loophole back in 2001 so that kiwis can’t just come here and get our dole. Next step will be to end the SCV and treat you equally with other foreigners who want to come here. This is already on the liberal party agenda.

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            Do you honestly believe that kiwi’s leave their motherland, plentiful seas, country free of any life threatening creatures, just to get on the dole? Your small greedy mind only see’s money Bob. Th reason we move to Australia is not a reason that you will ever understand.

          • Bob

            You leave your country as you have ruined it for yourselves. You come here for higher wages, better standard of living and warm weather.
            I love my country and no matter what would never leave it.
            As an Australian citizen and voter I have a strong interest that my own people are looked after first.

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            And thats the difference between you and us. We are a nation integrity, a nation that supports the next man whether your aussie or not and will not refuse help to someone simply because they are aussie. Nevertheless, as small as we are, NZ will continue to provide assistance to Australians if ever extra men are needed to fight a bush fire or assist with floods because thats what we do. To expect this is return from australians is now something I know I will not get

          • Bob

            I’m pretty sure NZ benefits more. Our Govt sent hundreds of Australians went to the NZ earthquake to help.
            The “help” NZ sends us is tiny and of little help.
            I don’t remember NZ running to our help during WW2 when our country was attacked by the Japanese.
            If NZ is such a nation of “integrity” then go back there. I was just reading about human rights abuses there wanting to send some child born there back to some foreign country.

          • PJ

            Not true – read what migrants that live in nz and have lived in nz say about nz. Nz is able and does make its win policies and legislation and Australia has that right too. Australia has it right nz has it wrong. Less than 1000 Australians moved to nz long term compared to over 44000 kiwis moving to Australia longertm in recent 12 month periods and those are net migration figures – Australia need to close the scv down pronto

          • Mo

            It was luck saw you born here and not someplace else. Good that you stay here Bob, as it seems you would fail all the character tests for immigration to any other country.

          • Bob

            Why would I want to move when I love in the best country on earth

          • Dave

            Teh. Actually yes they did! Go back to the mid to late 90’s Aussie was booming, NZ not so. Kiwis social welfare was tightening and getting harder to get, the numbers of unskilled and unemployable kiwis moving to live with Whanau in Aussie ending up on the dole. Please go check the facts and news articles around that time.

      • Mo

        Perhaps it’s worth asking all the Australians who have moved there Bobby. I think they’re not so racist and paranoid as you.

        • Bob

          New Zealander isn’t a race idiot. I can see why you can’t get our citizenship. Have a look at the comments from your fellow kiwi calling aboriginal people “Abo’s” before you call me racist!

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            Thats because we too are abo’s and if we want to call ourselves that then thats our fukn decision!

          • Bob

            You are not an Australian Aboriginal. You are a New Zealander and you have nothing to do with our native people. Your a guest under our laws.

          • Dave

            I suggest you have a very good and very long look at the rights, recognition and privileges given to Aust Aboriginals compared to NZ Maori.

        • PJ

          Maureen oconnor you are one hell of a racist bigot. You add nothing of intelligence to any forum I’ve seen you pst in and you are an unintelligent, misinformed Australian basher. Get it through your thick head that the very real majority of Australians and kiwis do not support your selfish, greedy, entitled mentality. 28000 population, NZ and Australia combined and yours ozkiwi and that other disgusting one iwi in Aussie have less than 1% of the Aussies and kiwis support. You sicken me, now go away you troll. Maureen oconnor – so many anti Aussie posts from you on record, you bring shame and embarrassment to kiwis everywhere – now go back in your dark cave.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Pete

            [MODERATOR HAT ON] Errr…. PJ, that’s as personal an attack as it can get. That’s not on here. Final warning.

          • PJ

            Point taken

        • Bob

          New Zealander isn’t a race idiot. No one you can’t qualify for our citizenship you so desperately desire.

  • Bob

    Do kiwis who go and work in other countries demand free welfare and citizenship? Or it just in Australia where this happens?

    OZ kiwi are just a bunch of anti-Australian haters who unjustly demand free welfare for foreign people who are not legal permanent residents of Australia.

    Oz kiwi bring down the good name of kiwis who don’t expect handouts in foreign countries they work in!

    • Tehinenga Pakeho

      No one is demanding free anything!!! Get that through your thick skulls!!!

      • Bob

        Oz kiwi and their Fuhrer are. Welfare is only for Australian permanent residents and citizens.

        • Tehinenga Pakeho

          We are well aware of that and even then, it still doesnt come free to us and thats not what we want. We pay our taxes just like you, we’ve grown up in Australian communities that we call home and have have many Australian friends that we love and adore and if they ever decided they would like to move to NZ, they were eligible to all the benefits that citizens were. I only moved to Australia 4 years ago, never travelled before and grew up thinking that Australia was like a big brother to our country, thinking that kiwi’s were welcome in this country. I was hugely mistaken. Dont get me wrong, there are plenty of good aussies out there but the way us kiwi’s are portrayed in aussie is heartbreaking. I had a love for Australia before I even came to this country, always excited when facing each other in sports and what not. Now I know that Australia will never be home for me.

          • Bob

            It’s nice that you like our county and I’m happy your having a nice time here. What is annoying to us Australians is that we allow kiwis and no other country free access to our country. Rather than be grateful many kiwis that come here are unhappy with that and complain that we won’t give them welfare or drop our citizenship requirements for them. Australia treats everybody fairly when it comes to citizenship. We don’t discriminate or allow favoritism.

            Imagine how you would feel if one group of foreigners had free access to your country and bitched about that? I bet of we ended the SCV then kiwis really would have something to complain about as you would need a skilled visa to work here… Just like other countries peoples have to apply for.

            Australia and NZ have diverged and have less in common. Many kiwis don’t understand that like your country we are a sovereign foreign country.

            We look to our Asian neighbors now as that’s where our future lays.

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            But here’s where your statement doesn’t quite sit with me. You state that YOU ALLOW us kiwi’s free access to YOUR country when in reality, you do NOT allow, it is just a process thats in place that you do not agree with but cant do anything about it as we are labelled as bludgers by aussies. If you had it your way like you said SCV would cease to exist. I guess that it really hits a nerve with us kiwi’s because what we give, we expect in return. There was a time when both kiwi’s and aussie’s were entitled to the same benefits of the citizen to each country but then Australia pulled the plugged. We still offer support to Australians needing assistance and that fact that we still offer that support even when Australia doesnt offer it to us, does piss me off a little.

          • Bob

            We do allow you free access here. You don’t need a work visa to work in Australia as other foreigners require.

            In 2001 kiwis had a higher unemployment rate in OZ than Australians.

            We changed the rules in 2001 as previously kiwis that received the dole in Australia were flooding here and exploiting us. Our PM asked your PM to pay for the welfare of kiwi citizens in Australia. Which is fair enough. The NZ PM refused so we changed the rules. The NZ PM said that they were not going to pay for the welfare of kiwis that chose to leave NZ. She also said that kiwis going to other countries have to respect the laws of the host country.
            Australia has little to gain fm NZ economically and militarily. It is NZ that is reliant on Australia.

            I feel sympathy for you, however you chose to come here. We didn’t make you come here. If you didn’t agree with our laws then perhaps should of chosen a different country to go to.

          • Tehinenga Pakeho

            I find it hard to believe that in a country of approx 20 million, kiwi’s made up more of the unemployment rate than Australians. I moved to this country well aware of the laws and I knew what I was getting myself into however I am a worker and have no intentions of ever getting financial assistance from the australian government.

          • Bob

            Good

          • Bob

            Kiwis made up a higher percentage of unemployed when compare to Australians

          • Tjs

            Bob you dont know what you are talking about. Kiwis in aus unemployment rate is 4.8 percent compared to 4.9 percent of the aussies. Also workforce participation for kiwis is 78 percent compared to the aussies 68 percent. Now go do some research before you make yourself look like even more of a tosser.

          • Bob

            Yes I do know what I’m talking about. Here are the figures from 2001 when we stopped paying you foreign bludgers the dole:

            In 2001:
            The unemployment rate in Australia for New Zealanders was 6.5%. That compares with 6.4% for those born in Australia.

            This is why we changed th rules. We had enough of you coming here and going on our dole which was higher than NZ.

            Your unemployment rate is only lower now because as you are foreigners and NOT permanent residents or citizens of Australia we don’t give it to you.

          • Tjs

            Fair enough but that doesn’t mean anything in context of this debate. 6.4 percent of over 24 million Australians is alot more than 6.5 percent of what.. 1million kiwis? The bigger picture here that you fail to see is we aren’t asking to open up the doors for us to move over do nothing and receive the doll. What we are asking for is entitlements to HECS student loans, government jobs, ADF, and some security that when we fall upon hard times to receive financial help so we can get back on our feet. Kids are finishing school over here and arent able to further their education, instead they have to take open entry jobs and therefore are restricted in life. Also single mothers who have to leave their children here with an abusive father because they will recieve no help to support their own children and if they take them back to new zealand it is kidnapping. I understand why you think it is all about the doll though. That is what the media has done is created a stereotype for you to bash on. The Australian government is happy with the billions of free tax dollars without having to give back a single penny meanwhile the nz economy is affected by returning kiwis who havent paid a cent in tax in nz for many years. Also there is no discrimination in NZ against aussies who move over so why cant this be duplicated? Hell the boat people get more benefits than NZers and i don’t exactly see Australia welcoming them with open arms.

          • Bob

            Then become a citizen. You have to satisfy the exact same criteria as other foreigners. Just because your a kiwi we won’t drop our requirements as we treat everybody equally in Australia.

            You already have an advantage on all other foreigners in that you get free entry to Australia to work here. If you desire equality we could scrap the SCV and make you apply for a skilled visa in order to work here.

            It is you who made the decision to come here. If you dont agree with the laws of our country then perhaps try and get automatic citizenship and welfare in another country and see how far you get.

            What NZ does in its country is of no matter as it’s a seperate foreign country to us. Just as what indonesia regarding immigration law is their business.

            It is also not our problem that you are abusive to each other etc. it’s up to your govt to help its citizens.

          • Tjs

            And this proves you are closed minded with no interest in anything but ur own. Australia won’t scrap the SCV as they are winners in this dilema recieving tax money and having a stronger economy as a result for nothing. Also the matter we speak off has alot to do with this, as an aussie u cannot travel to any other country freely besides new zealand the same as kiwis do to come here. So that is where the inequality lies. Also your abuse is your lack off understanding but i can’t blame you, you aren’t facing that predicament.

          • Bob

            We aren’t the winners as many areas where kiwis settle have become crime not spots. Thank goodness we can deport the real bad ones after they are released from jail. Kiwi taxes are a drop in the ocean and pay for all the things you use like our schools, Medicare, police, hospitals, and everything else.

            Free travel to NZ to work and live is of little interest to us Aussies. Why would I want to move somewhere that is cold, has low wages and no prospects? If I could get free access to work in the USA and Canada now that’s something we would be interested in!

            It is likely we will scrap the SCV. Look at history: since the 1980’s we have been slowly closing the door on NZ. First passports, then cannot vote here, than stand down periods for welfare, the. Longer stay down periods for welfare, the entry visa in 1994 and the SCV in 2001. It’s Not going to be wound back. It’s going to get harder. Border protection is a big part of th current govt. The end of the SCV is on the cards.

          • Tjs

            Lol here we go with another stereo type.. NZers are criminals! Mate get over yourself times are changing and i will continue along with many other NZers to fight for equality no matter what “bob” has to say on the internet. Its been a pleasure arguing with you and i see your points you have made but they are the very reasons we are dealing with this as i agree Australia has more to offer to nzers than vice versa but a revision of the SCV with genuine waiting periods and skills lists rather than making it near impossible for kiwis to become citizens is all we are after. A “fair go” not a racial alienation from this country and its immigration policies.

          • PJ

            That’s officially recorded and accepted as correct in nz and Australia. Also, Currently nz have the highest unemployment rate in Australia as compared to other English speaking migrant groups in oz.

          • PJ

            That’s officially recorded and accepted as correct in nz and Australia. Also, Currently nz have the highest unemployment rate in Australia as compared to other English speaking migrant groups in oz.

  • Coops

    Slater if you were here in front of me right now I would smack you in the head, you are so mis informed about how things are over there, Kiwis are the hardest working people in Aussie next to the Irish…. how do I know? I bloody worked over there for a year

    • Dave

      A year Wow what an expert. Suggest you study Australian immigration policy law etc. better still do Aussie and NZ aw favour, move back to NZ!

      • VivaLasOzzy

        Dave your a fuckwit! Do your family a favour and go fuck your self.

  • Tehinenga Pakeho

    Slater, your the one that needs to go hide in shame jubba the hutt!

    • Dave

      Once was a warrior Tehinenga? now a keyboard jockey only, you are proving what a disgrace to kiwis you are.

      • Tjs

        I think you are the keyboard jockey. You don’t have anything informative to say so you go abusing people for what? Does it help you sleep better at night? Dave i bet you are a real nice person to people you have just met in real life. Why the act over the internet?

        • Dave

          I am a nice person 99% of the time but can spot the bigoted types a mile off Go re-read your own posts before having a shot at others.

          Ps take a look at a few of my other posts, I have contributed to the debate.

          • Tjs

            Your the one taking shots mate. You obviously don’t see the full picture nor have experienced it or you would be sitting on the other side of the table. So you are quick to add your 2 cents.

          • jb

            I’m at a loss as to where Dave’s “shots” are.

          • Tjs

            There’s this word i thinks its called “read”, go find a dictionary look up the definition, understand it and then apply it.

          • jb

            I read it all. I wanted you to point it out, which you obviously cannot because there were no “shots” and you know it.

          • Tjs

            Daves reply to tehinenga…. Racist and also a “shot”

          • Dave

            Before you and JB start rabbiting on I suggest you read all the comments. Too many ill informed ignorant kiwis with an entitlement issue, and an Aussie government that has made it almost impossible for kiwis to get citizenship.

            Key point. Same rules for citizenship for kiwis as for Poms, Americans, Asians etc etc. grant any kiwi a 6 to 12 month working Visa but they must understand there are no guarantees of any visa or PR. Currently it’s easier for almost any other nationality to get Aussie PR/citizenship than a kiwi.

          • Tjs

            Yes i agree, and if that was the case there would be no argument here. But then the same must be applied to aussies living and working in NZ. The entitlement issue stems from this unequal treatment. Fair enough?

          • Dave

            Ha ha Can’t even see you are the joke here Still haven’t reD my other posts, typical. Before you post read them troll. I have an in depth understanding of the issue, we have Already spent thousands trying to get my partner her PR and in course citizenship. And you are ?? Oh yes, just another troll adding SFA to the actual debate.

          • Tjs

            I don’t need to read ur other posts.. I am replying to ur specific post that had “reply” under it. As for ur wife, i feel sorry that her husband is on the other side of the dinner table. So who u calling “troll” troll?

        • Kiefer Donald

          Because he’s fake.

      • VivaLasOzzy

        This a funny read.

  • VivaLasOzzy

    This is funny. I moved to oz 4 years ago. Got a job in the first week, tripled what I got in NZ and now living it up. Oz is home for now but I’ll be moving back to NZ when the time is right. Freedom to go back and forth is awesome and the stupid cunt that wrote this and all those that agree need to get a life hahaha.

  • Mindy Forrest

    You really just have your head so far up your ass it’s incredible, I bet the sun shines bright there for you. I mean it helps that you are with National as well, being so obviously misinformed about the real issues regarding kiwis in Australia. None of us came here with the life long dream of going on the ‘dole’ ( The thought of living week to week and going without essentials does sound pretty appealing doesn’t it!)

    We are only asking for equal rights, if a family loses their job and hits hard times I think it is only fair that they should have an option to be helped, instead we support groups like Tautoko Crew that help families who have hit hard times due to job loss, illness etc. I would rather be helping our own and think that even a partial amount of our taxes go to emergencies like this, no one is asking for a hand out.

    Also what do you have against Tokoroa anyway? I would tell you to do that same as you told David Faulkner to do, but I think the silver spoon has been feeding you too well, I don’t think you could handle the walk to Winz

    • Dave

      Mindy, since you are so well informed about the issues affecting Kiwis living in Aust, why don’t you simply post the issues here. Firstly, please remember they are your opinion only, you don’t speak for me or hundreds of thousands of other kiwis living very successfully in Aussie, happily.

      As for Tokoroa, it’s one of the few places I will Not stop at at night, nuff said!!

      • Mindy Forrest

        I don’t fit into the category of an unsuccessful kiwi in Australia and am more than happy with the decision to move here,work here, pay taxes and there is no way I expect a handout from the Australian Government. What I take offence to is being called a layabout and a dole bludger, and I am sure a lot of other kiwis successful or not would agree ( is there a scale for success that you use? Curious as to what you class as successful)

        I am also wondering how I would go about ‘demanding the dole’ I mean that is what we are all doing? I am pretty sure it would be met with a F*ck off, although if you do come across You tube footage of someone doing so it would be entertaining, no one in their right mind came here to demand the dole, if a small percentage did they read something really outdated or didn’t read anything at all before coming here and we shouldn’t all be categorized into this.

        So the only issue I have is the news promoting the ‘ layabout dole bludging kiwi’ when no one is demanding the dole, it isn’t an easy decision to move here, you have to be well informed and be prepared to work, if you lose your job get another one and hurry the hell up about it because there is no back up plan.

        When we are all paying taxes to support the Australian government ( in return we do get benefits also, medicare etc to which I am thankful) and then to be called the layabout bludgers is a bit of a kick in the guts. Don’t mistake the last sentence for being ‘victim mentality’ it’s the last thing I have.

        In the meantime don’t you think that NZ could be saving a lot of money by not allowing all entitlements to Australians, not cutting them off but offering what we get here too?

        2001 has been and gone, people are here to work, if Australians were called layabout and bludgers in NZ I would expect them to react the same way, but being kiwi and not being whingers NZ press probably wouldn’t stoop that low.

        I love this country, I love my job and my Australian friends, the only ‘laying about’ I do is on the beach in the weekend after a week at work

    • Bob

      You want equal rights? How about we scrap the SCV and treat you the same as other foreigners in that you have to apply for a skilled visa.

  • Tjs

    It’s a shame you guys call yourself New Zealanders… I support my kiwi brothers and sisters no matter what the case. In this instance it is for equality. I’m appalled to see people abused for fighting for their rights by fellow countrymen who obviously haven’t taken the time to actually see what is going on here. Ill-informed low lifes who can talk so big over the internet about a situation that they aren’t even facing.. And you call yourself a kiwi. Pfft

  • jb

    Well, I think lots of people have got the wrong end of the stick with this one and are just looking to be offended and an opportunity to name call and throw the toys like the big babies they are.

  • Kiefer Donald

    FUCK THIS FAT FUCK. Show some respect for your fellow country-men. And if you wanna say something as discriminatory as this then get off your fat fuck ass, come over here, and say that to the face of the people that are working their asses off n getting treated like second class citizens and see what the fuck happens. Bet I roll your fat ass down a fucken hill after I knock you the fuck out you chubby, ugly absolute piece of Shit. FUCK THE NATIONAL PARTY TOO FOR ASSOCIATING WITH THIS IGNORANT IDIOT.

  • Bob

    Great article Cameron! Yes your right! David Faulkner is a whining little bitch.
    He’s not even a kiwi… He’s a whinging POM who used NZ as a back door to get into Australia!
    Both him and his Oz Kiwi Australia hatred page are oxygen thieves in Australia!

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