Cyclist runs red light, dies under a truck, lycra force field failed

How about we need cyclists to follow the road rules?

Yesterday a cyclist found out that his lycra force field isn’t much protection at all from close interaction with a truck.

Police are investigating how and why the collision occurred, but revealed last night the truckie had the green light at the intersection.

“When I looked back I saw this [man] flying off [his] bike and at the same time the truck just kept on rolling over [him],” said Mr Maamaloa.

It was only when other motorists alerted the truck driver by tooting their horns that he stopped about 70m down the road. …

Police said it appeared the cyclist had been riding down Parnell Rise and was turning left into Stanley St when he collided with the truck, which was travelling straight through from The Strand.

Inspector Cornelius Klussein said the truck driver, who had the green light, did not know the cyclist had come under his wheels until being alerted by other motorists tooting their horns.

“He assumed that maybe something had come off the truck so he parked up to see what was going on. It was only when he got out that he saw that something had happened.” 

Predictably the same mouthpieces who always arc up to capitalise on the death of a cyclist have blamed the roading, the truckie and lack of millions being spent on special measures for cyclists.

Barbara Cuthbert, chairwoman for Cycle Action Auckland, said the death was a tragedy.

“Cycling deaths with trucks are becoming a real worry. Quite honestly, it’s just a horrendous accident because cyclists are so vulnerable when the scale between the truck and cyclist is so appallingly different. It’s just not safe having the two modes sharing the same stretch of road.”

Good idea…how about cyclists get off the roads that trucks pay for. There problem solved. Cyclists will always be vulnerable when they run red lights and try a power slide under the wheels of a truck and trailer.

Greens MP Julie Anne Genter said the city needed more dedicated cycle lanes, like other international cities.

“Cities like Auckland overseas, they’re putting a lot more focus on cyclists. I think Auckland is falling behind. They [the authorities] have got to make it more of a priority.

“People feel really unsafe to cycle even short distances. There needs to be separated cycle lanes, particularly in the inner-city area.”

As usual the Green taliban pounce on misery to push their agenda…riddle me this Julie Anne Genter…How will a cycle lane protect a red-light running cyclist from impending doom?

Lance Wiggs who happened upon the accident yesterday and a road maggot himself let emotion run away with him and wrote at NBR:

Today’s accident was, like all accidents, preventable.

Like all accidents the root and contributing causes of the accident will be varied and troublesome, but are also able to be eliminated.

However like all cycle accidents in NZ they likely won’t be, and we should all be very angry and upset about this.

Yes I am pretty angry that a truck driver is being vilified for a cyclist running a red light. It certainly was preventable if only the cyclist hadn;t been hot-dogging down Parnell rise and running a red light onto the busiest stretch of road for Heavy transport in Auckland city.

Most of the causes of this and other accidents are fairly obvious, and have been observed time and again by cycling and safety advocates. They come down to one core goal, to seek to limit human-vehicle interactions:

  • That means physically separating trucks and cars from cyclists, and cyclists from pedestrians, through a system of bike and pedestrian paths that criss-cross cities and form commuter routes. This increases bike use, boosts the retail economy and reduces motorised traffic, reducing associated infrastructure costs as well.

Really? A cycle lane wouldn’t have solved this problem…the cyclist ran a red light! And there already is physical separation of cyclists from trucks…they are called bull bars.

The rest of his rant shows just how out of touch with reality he is, demanding the spending of millions to protect cyclists…and restricting trucks from their main egress from the city all because a cyclist ran a red light. He even invokes what New York has done as a possible solution forgetting about economies of scale and the different in size between New York and Auckland…I doubt he’d want the high rise apartment living that dominates in New York too…then again maybe he would being a man of the world and IT geek.

His call for electoral meddling on the issue shows what a bunch of single issue nutter road maggots are…and possibly explains why so many of them get run down through their own actions and arrogance.

It’s an election year, and this is a great time for all parties and candidates to take a tough stand. Cycling and work safety are not Green, Red, Blue or other party-affiliated issues, but ones that offer benefits across the board. Improving cycling safety and work safety generates more retail and manufacturing revenue, saves on medical expenses, prolongs lives, saves money for individuals and families and delivers better environmental outcomes. It’s cheaper than building roads and rail, and will make it far safer for our children to walk and cycle to school. It seems obvious, and will attract a decent number of voters looking for a better life.

The school thing is too funny…it is a circular argument. If parent stopped running Sebastion and Charlotte to school instead of letting the petals walk or ride their bikes then there would be heaps less traffic on the roads around school time…but they won;t because as is usual with these types, they want someone else to go first, pay first etc. Road maggots are like public transport advocates…they always wants Other People to pay or use the things they advocate.

Since I always get accused of whinging and not offering up solutions here are a couple for the road maggots to consider.

  • Licensing of cyclists with suitable fees and training course, much like motorcycle licences
  • Increased ACC levies for cyclists
  • Warrants of Fitness for cyclists
  • Road User Charges for cycles. Trucks pay RUC, motorists pay through petrol, time for the cyclists to start paying for the roads they want and demand access to.

The millions currently spent on cycle lanes is not justified by the small number of cyclists using them. I am yet to see a single cyclist on any of the cycle lanes out my way…installed, no doubt at huge expense, because one womble lobbied hard for it.

  • DLM

    Boom. Cyclists are getting way too lippy and big for their boots. Tell it how it is WO.

  • Bart67

    So, the cyclist apparently ran a red, meanwhile, the truck driver who followed the rules is still having to cope with the trauma surrounding the death. I know who is getting my sympathy on this one, and it’s not the two wheeled lunatic.

    • Bunswalla

      At least he wasn’t fat.

    • caochladh

      Which makes me wonder why there is no test for cyclists before they are allowed on the road. Even in Holland, the most user friendly cycling country on the planet, you are required to pass an exam to obtain a traffic certificate that allows you to ride on the road.

      • DynamiteDonald

        There is no country called Holland, there are two provinces in The Kingdom of The Netherlands that are called Holland though.

        And in the Netherlands they have an extensive network of cycle lanes, these lanes are attached to the footpath, so you don’t cycle on the road

        • Bunswalla

          No country called Holland, aye? You must be a Dutchy, they’re usually pedantic bastards and invariably wrong. The cycle lanes aren’t everywhere in the country so cyclists do ride on the road. Where there are cycle lanes, they go through traffic lights and across road intersections.

          • DynamiteDonald

            But in major cities they are there, better than the crap they have in NZ

          • Bunswalla

            No argument from me, they’re 100 x better.

  • Garbageman

    Got one thing to say…take your lycra clad, cafe chair staining, gay pride parade wearing, whinging asses and get of my road if you want to break the law, race around on roads fk off to a velodrome or cycle track like motor enthusiasts do….you are the hazard not the motorists !!

    • James Stephenson

      If you look at the photos, the bike is pretty obviously wearing flat bars and bog standard cage pedals, but don’t let that get in the way of your desire to rant about bunch-riding roadies. This poor sod was probably just on his way to watch the tennis.

      • ex-JAFA

        And this excuses him from compliance with New Zealand law?

        • James Stephenson

          It makes comments about, lycra, road racing, shaved legs, three-abreast riding, yada yada yada, fucking irrelevant.

      • Garbageman

        My comments were in relation to the things we all see cyclists doing all over NZ everyday putting theirs and other lives at risk and is relavant to the article not to what happened to this poor fella

  • steve and monique

    Red light running into traffic on the green has one outcome. Crash, injuries, death. Darwin always gets his way when stupid comes to town.

    • jb

      Yes, either injury or a visit by the Grim Reaper. Honestly, why do they even risk it. Maybe it’s a test to see how alive they feel afterwards. Hmm…

      • steve and monique

        Adrenalin fueled stupidity, outcome variable.

        • pukakidon

          I think it might be about time life insurance companies do not pay out for these idiots on bikes. Nor should they get ACC assistance when they fall off, they dont pay and levies.

          Either fund your own roads or ride your bike in the park or around a track where there are no cars and trucks to run your skin tight lycra clad arses over

          • Mr CrAcKeR (I’m Back)

            I’d like to see Gang Member Thugs turned away from A&E first thankyou!

          • pukakidon

            Not if they are in a car accident and they have paid their levies though both fuel taxes and ACC levies through Registration. Sorry but on the road, Gang Members sit above Lycra clad Accountants and Lawyers who have not paid their levies while riding bikes on the fuel and registration funded roads..

          • Mr CrAcKeR (I’m Back)

            Oh how uneducated you are young grass hopper.
            If you were to add up the damage and cost to the tax payer in all areas of life (not just the roads you have picked out you fool) I think its pretty fair to say they are on the seriously weighted side of ‘taking from middle NZ’ NOT the giving / producing side, so why don’t you just pull your head in ok?

          • pukakidon

            I could not give a shit about them, and they have nothing to do with wankers in lycra moaning for a something they don’t pay for. It is the twats like you that want to have a free ride and then whinge about it. Why dont you stop being a complete arrogant arsewipe and stop trying to deflect your wankery towards someone else.

            See I can be a condescending shit stain like you as well.

          • Mr CrAcKeR (I’m Back)

            I’m sure a big percentage of lycra wearers own a car and/or pay taxes, personally I use public transport mostly, I’m sure the cost of my ticket fare goes towards the up keep the the roads also, if you think petrol tax alone pays for the roads you are seriously mistaken, I was talking about gangs being takers from the public at large compared to givers, hard working people that fund the likes of the benefit for all those idiot biker gangs, get it?

          • pukakidon

            You don’t get it do you. The road is paid for through fuel taxes, when you are consuming fuel, ACC is paid as a user, e.g. sportsperson playing club sport pays ACC, or someone who works pays for the period they are working, Driver of a car with their passengers pays ACC when they are driving, Commercial vehicles pay when they use the road. That is how the tax take is split.

            You riding your bike pay nothing.

            We all pay for your silly cycleways that are not used because theLycra wearing pay nothings wont use them because they want to ride on the roads because they dream they are in a race.. Dont try and say other bludgers like gang members are less than you because you are no better than the bludgers. Pay you way if you want to ride on the roads built for cars.

          • Mr CrAcKeR (I’m Back)

            Hello but what part did I state I ride a cycle?
            I wouldn’t be so fucken mad espically in auckland traffic if I did.

            And as not being sny better than a gang patch member, well you can just fuck off twice and go back under the rock you came from, because I am better than *any* of them put together, and so is anyone else not foolish enough to engage with such low life fucken drop kick loser idiots…. I could go on.

            So on your bike punk!
            Go spin your wheels on that one! hehe

            Seriously just stop it…
            I ride ride a bike ok?
            You have taken my posts out of context.

          • pukakidon

            What the fuck are you on about gang members for? Did you take a big one up the bottom and now you blame all your woes on them. You have a problem you fool.

            I said if you ride a bike on roads which are funded by those using fuel thereby paying for the roads, then you are not paying your share. Who gives a shit about how many cars you have?

            If you are using a vehicle on the road without paying your share of ACC, e.g. a bike then you are expecting the drivers who have their cars registered for use on the roads to pay for you gang member damaged shit pipe,

            Now fuck off and go and blame more gang members for you being a complete waste of oxygen. Take responsibility for yourself for once rather than expecting someone else to pay for you.

          • Mr CrAcKeR (I’m Back)

            Fucken Nutjob

          • pukakidon

            Oh boohoo Pole dancer

          • Mr CrAcKeR (I’m Back)

            Alright you gave me a giggle,. – well done.

          • DynamiteDonald

            Actually I think you will find that most cyclists do pay for roads/ACC. They pay via tax, and if they have a vehicle they paid through registration, and petrol.

            Also, with your theory are you going to ban pedestrians from ACC, after all they don’t paid levies

          • GregM

            I can’t agree with that DD, I have car and a motorbike, should I only pay one ACC levy for all vehicles I use on the road ?

          • DynamiteDonald

            Yes, I pay over $400 registration for a 150cc scooter most of which of course is ACC, and I put about 200km a year on it, yet I only pay around $250 for my car registration and put on around 14,000km it it

          • GregM

            Absolutely hear what your saying there, I paid just over $500 to rego my GSXR 750 and have only done about 200 kms all year. The point I am trying to make is that I don’t give a shit “who’s paying for the roads and who isn’t”, the problem is a small group of cyclists seem to think the road code doesn’t apply to them, and when it goes tits up, somehow it’s everyone else’s fault for not providing bike lanes etc.
            This guy broke the law and it cost him his life, and fucked up a few other innocent peoples lives at the same time.

          • pukakidon

            Bullshit ACC is paid for by the vehicle you are driving through registration. e.g. I have three cars and two motorbikes. I pay for each one. If you are riding your bike on the road you have not paid your levy

          • DynamiteDonald

            Fine, if you want to believe that then no problem. So if I get out of my car, and trip on the curb then I don’t deserve ACC because I haven’t paid anything towards it?

            Try and remember, ACC is still a no fault insurance scheme in NZ, and in some cases it costs too much to get money from certain users. If you are happy with ACC to pay a billion to collect 500 million then fine, let’s force walkers, and cyclists to pay, but for me, and most logical people, we will be happy to assume that the ACC level I pay elsewhere will do.

          • pukakidon

            Horse shit. If you are not using fuel you are not paying for the roads. Riding your bike you are not using fuel.

  • Salacious T Crumb

    It is tragic that a person has lost their life in preventable circumstances.
    However as a motorist who regularly uses these road in Parnell it amazes me the breathtaking stupidity and aggression of cyclists around there.
    I have seen many instances of red light running, undertaking turning vehicles and total lack of courtesy to other road users and pedestrians by the lycra brigade.
    Some of these people need to take a hard look at the way they ride and ask themselves “would I drive my car this way”?

    • DLM

      They’re probably all toffy lawyers thinking they own the road. Like that’s going to work out well for them.

      • Dave

        might work very well for them, a lot of lawyers seem to develop a pretty “thick skin”

    • CommonSense404

      Ditto that – cyclists from Newmarket heading towards town down Parnell Rise routinely run red lights at the top of the Rise. Its only a matter of time before one gets clipped by a car tuning on a green from Gladstone. Cyclist behaviour is completely contradictory to their claims for needing more protection and safety.

      • pukakidon

        Any city at peak time more than 3/4s run the red lights or pass through a pedestrian crossing. Most have no qualms about breaking the law, but, how dare the motorists try to use the road they continue to pay for in their fuel taxes

  • Odd Ball

    I feel sorry for the truck driver, if it was me, I would have trouble sleeping at night, even with the knowledge, that it wasn’t my fault.

    • http://manymonkeys.co.nz/ Hamilton Lad

      Yes, it seems that the only way he could have not been involved in this targedy was to have been in a different place altogether. Poor bastard.

      • sin-ic

        And to add to the mess, the local Rag has the headline “Cyclist killed by Truck” The journo responsible for that should be put out to pasture toot sweet.

  • mike

    Completely agree about the need for licensing and registration (not necessarily WOF’s) for cyclists.

    You want to use the roads then pay for them… I pay for both my cars so they can pay for their car and cycle.

    • drummerboy

      I pay for the roads with my cars… And I cycle in them.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

        Freeloading on the cycling I see…RUC is per vehicle not per person..

        • BassilFawlty

          RUC is per Kilometer for most.

          • mike

            Point remains though that RUC is bought for a single vehicle

        • drummerboy

          We should have registration for pedestrians as well, because we can’t have people freeloading on footpath walking. Cars and heavy vehicles pay ruc because they wear out the roads. Cyclist don’t wear out the road, the only damage they cause is when they get splatted all over it.

        • Connie Lingus

          And RUC is by vehicle weight. A modern bike weighs less then 10kg. The admin alone would cost more then the fees earned

          • mike

            Nobody is suggesting Cyclists pay RUC, but whats wrong with have them pay registration?

          • mike

            After checking VTNZ I have found it should be Licensing that we are calling for, not registration (which is a one off to get your plates).

            Licensing, according to VTNZ, helps to pay for roading projects and road safety programmes.

          • OT Richter

            What would paying registration achieve? My rates and fuel tax pay for the cycle lanes that enable my daily cycle commute. Is not the issue that cyclists should display some form of licence plate to make them more likely to obey the road rules, and less likely to randomly kick in the sides of cars and blind/ignorant/stupid 4×4 drivers? Displaying a plate gives the right to ride on the road, not displaying confines them to the footpath and a 5kph (walking speed) limit.

          • mike

            Not a bad idea and quite practical

          • johcar

            And has that system been proven to work for motor vehicles? I don’t think so… Ask any cop on traffic duty.

          • OT Richter

            Remove the number plates from all vehicles, pull up a couch to your nearest intersection and watch the anarchy.

          • pukakidon

            It would not matter, many cyclists dont even wear helmets any longer which is against the law. Today I watched as I drove by with a copy behind me and he passed the cycling twit with no helmet and did not even bat an eyelid. Just pulled over to the Mr Bunn for his breakfast.

            They don’t even give a shit about the cycling morons any longer.

      • mike

        Is there any reason why you shouldn’t have to pay to register your cycle in order to use it on the road?

        • DynamiteDonald

          Yes, the cost of implementing it would out weigh any benefit you would gain

          • mike

            Is that why we bother registering small trailers at $27 (which we have to get WOF’d every 6 months)? If it is cost efficient to do that that paying $25 a year for cycle is cost efficient.

          • HtD

            Your defective trailer could kill a passer by. A defective bike will only affect the rider.

          • David Tocker

            Which in NZ would be covered by ACC, therefore effecting everyone. (a little)

          • DynamiteDonald

            Did you also pay the initial registration fee for your trailer, that was a lot more than $27. Are you really going to tell a person purchasing a $200 bike that they need to pay initial registration costs of $500?

          • mike

            You add the cost, about $100 admin charge to the price of this bike

      • Pissedoffyouth

        Simple – introduce a single ACC portion of the rego/RUC per person. You can only be in one vehicle at at time?

        • pukakidon

          Perfect idea, charge an annual fee for your drivers license. No license no ACC.

          • Pissedoffyouth

            I think it would be perfect, but the loss of income would stop them doing that.

      • Goldie

        drummerboy: “I pay for the roads with my cars… And I cycle in them.”
        You are cycling in your cars?

        • johcar

          Obviously not, but as you can only use one of these vehicles at a time, and if you’re going to try to collect some kind of ACC levy from cyclists, at least make it an equitable system and charge per vehicle operator, rather than per vehicle.

          But if you are also going to charge ACC levies on cycling, let’s get into Rugby and Netball players too – I would think they cost more in ACC payouts than cyclists….

          • mike

            But they do… have a look at document 919

            http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/levies/current-years-levy-rates/levy-risk-groups-2013-2014/index.htm

            Professional Rugby players
            $5.47 for every $100 earned (2013/14 year)

            Compared to someone like me who works in a warehouse
            $1.07 for eveyr $100 earned (2013/14 year)

          • johcar

            Don’t care about the professional rugby players – that’s part of their cost of doing that job. We’re talking about recreational cyclists here – the rugby/netball equivalent are the weekend club players…

          • mike

            Clubs also pay levies, refer to document 913 for club rugby ($1.73) and 911 for club netball ($0.84)

        • drummerboy
    • tspoon

      Roads that aren’t national highways are predominantly paid for by rates. By your logic you wouldn’t be able to use the road if you didn’t pay rates in that area. Trucks would be included in that category too.

      • mike

        50% of urban road funding comes from central government… that’s me Joe Blogs taxpayer. Your argument is invalid please try again.

        • tspoon

          Yeah that’s conclusive. Then anyone not a net taxpayer also can’t use the road. By the time you’re finished it will be nice and safe, no-one will be able to use the road at all.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

            What a good idea…net tax takers can get off MY road

          • OT Richter

            People that drive urban tractors for no good reason is an argument worth exploring also.

          • Mr_Blobby

            Leave my urban tractor out of this unless you want me to car plank it on top of yours.

          • Ben Corbett

            Shall you only be allowed on roads built while you have been a tax payer then?

          • mike

            Not my fault your argument was silly and was incorrect

        • pukakidon

          I might have to get a urban tractor with bull bars if the number of fools on bikes increases. It would save me getting any dents when they get in my way.

    • HtD

      Agreed, if cyclists get a discount on not using the car that day and the charge is based on vehicle weight, or a weight to tyre width ratio.

  • LesleyNZ

    Barbara Cuthbert is very cosy with AKLD Council and has a very loud voice. They will listen to her and do what she wants.

    • DLM

      Maybe Bevan Chaung could offer an Asian perspective on this, particularly as she looks up to Lenny.

      • Patrick

        Kneeling in front of someone usually means you look up to them, just a tip for Bevan in the future.

        • Mr_Blobby

          Come on be serious the town bike should have an opinion.

          • pukakidon

            No use asking the dirty mayor of Auckland he could only ride his bike for two minutes. I don’t think he would have enough experience to make comment.

  • Brian of Mt Wellington

    They make you register jetskis now at a cost around $60 through your council and give you stickers to put on and show rego number. Why not make cyclists do something similar.

    • drummerboy

      Tbh i wouldn’t bother registering my jet ski, and I wouldn’t bother registering my bike.

      • ex-JAFA

        How many fines would it take before you considered bothering?

        • drummerboy

          Would be almost impossible to police, wouldn’t get caught.

          • ex-JAFA

            I’m not entirely sure that your disdain for the law is doing your argument any favours in the popularity department here. If your attitude is that you’ll do whatever you like, you can look forward to becoming a statistic yourself.

          • drummerboy

            Riding to the road code, wearing my helmet and lights, and been aware of my soundings and traffic will stop me from becoming a statistic. Paying a registration fee has nothing to do with it. As for distain for the law… It’s not the law.

          • mike

            I drive to the law, I use my seatbelt and always drive with my lights on. I have done a defensive driving course and am aware of traffic around me… by your logic I shouldn’t have to pay registration.

          • drummerboy

            no. by my logic a registration fee doesn’t protect you from crashing.

          • mike

            Nothing protects you from crashing, accidents can and do happen… either your fault or someone else. Anyone who doesn’t accept this as a fact is living in a dream world.

            I never said registration would stop accidents, I said that if people want to use the road they should pay for it just like every other user.

          • ex-JAFA

            No, cycle registration isn’t currently a legal requirement. Or, as far as I know, even a possibility. But your earlier comment said that if it was to become a requirement, you wouldn’t bother – and it was that intended infringement which I questioned.

          • Mr_Blobby

            The registration fee has nothing to do with road safety, it is just another way to extract money for the Government. Apart from that it serves no useful purpose.

        • Bunswalla

          The problem is though, the police completely ignore cycling offences already. I ride to work most days and see a shitload of people not wearing helmets, going through Stop signs and red lights, police don’t care. Some even have no hands on bars and are texting – temporary citizens on the way to an appointment with Darwin.

          That said, I think registration with identifying plates would knock 90% of the problems on the head, and I’d happily pay a fee to register my bike if it helped to ultimately save lives and the trauma from the poor bloody truck driver that has to deal with this.

          • ex-JAFA

            Yes, plenty of infringements by both drivers and cyclists alike are currently missed or ignored. I agree that registration might improve behaviour because individuals will be more easily identified – although, as with cars, there’s no guarantee that the registered owner is operating it at the time.

          • pukakidon

            Red light cameras and rego plates would

          • andrew carrot

            I asked one of those idiots who chooses to ride a trick bike without wearing a helmet and in the wrong direction along Newmarket’s Broadway whether he was happy that I’d have to pay for the decades of neurological care he’d require if he fell off or got hit by a car. He just looked at me gormlessly which suggested to me that I already was.

          • Bunswalla

            Yep, either that or he was a teenager in which case gormless is pretty much the default look. But you’re right, they have no idea of how close to disaster they are at any moment, or what the consequences will be – to themselves, the driver, families and the state.

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

        The trailer you tow the jetski on better be registered.

        • drummerboy

          Yes. that pays for the road… The local council didn’t build the ocean so their is no basis for a registration fee.

          • Blokeintakapuna

            What about sea-based emergency services?

          • Bunswalla

            Most responsible boaties belong to Coastguard. It’s a bit like the AA, if they turn up to help you’ll be expected to join or pay a fee.

          • OT Richter

            The rego $ will go to the iwi.

      • rouppe

        Drummer boy, I’ll tell you what that attitude brings.

        I (used to) dive off Evans Bay in Wellington. The reason I stopped was because of water skiiers and jet skiers. Here’s the thing:

        Maritime rules state that a powered water craft has to be travelling no faster than 5kt within 200m of shore, or 50m of a dive flag. After about three occasions where diving – about 200m away away from the ski lane I might add – with a dive flag and having these boats and skis roar overhead I can’t take the risk anymore that a fucktard isn’t going to run me over. I’ve watched these guys at full tow speed (so about 25kt minimum) less than 50m off the shoreline.

        I even called maritime police once. They came, but then told me that they prefer to take ‘an educational’ approach. Seems like they’ll only get upset when someone is killed.

        So I have two questions for you. Have you taken a recreational boat master course? And do you advise by the maritime regulations?

        • Simon

          Given that jetskiers are undeniably the lowest form of aquatic life, I very much doubt it. I wish they’d take their floating chainsaw engines and stick them where the sun doesn’t shine

      • Brian of Mt Wellington

        You’d be surprised where the inspectors turn up. I was always getting checked when at the Eastern Beaches of Auckland, also knowing how the Auck Council are now for screwing money out of everyone I wouldn’t mind betting they have stepped up enforcement.

        • Dave

          Go to the western or southern beaches, not much seems to be inspected out there.

    • Mr_Blobby

      Apart from the Income, for thieving Council, why would you need to register a jet ski.

  • out2lunch

    It was only a matter of time. Really feel for the truck driver who has to deal with this now. Police need to come down hard on cyclists who flout laws. The unfortunate fact is that the vast majority of Auckland roads do not cater to cyclists so it is a real risk for them to be dancing with traffic.

    • Dave

      A thought – is it the roads? the roads are the roads, motorists are constantly being told to drive the the conditions. Shouldn’t Cyclists ride to the conditions, yunno, single file, lights, indicators etc etc etc. Nope, its mostly an attitudinal thing for the minority, and unfortunately, most of the packs of cyclists who seem to think they know better, that everything else will give way, or that its their god given right.

  • drummerboy

    I’m a cyclist. I keep well left and mind my own business. I have been hit before when an old man hit me when he pulled out of a give way with our looking. I used to hate cyclists, so I guess that made me a more considerate cyclist. I did put my boot into a van the other day when a stupid woman drove me into the gutter.

    • Col

      Fair deal.

    • Andy

      I’m a cyclist too, and coming from London where I used to cycle to school, I have a lot of respect for traffic and road rules.

      I am constantly amazed by the crap cycling that goes on in NZ.

      • Bunswalla

        And the crap driving? I spent 7+ years in SE England and considering the traffic the driving was x5 better than in NZ.

    • pukakidon

      Fair enough I have done that when wankers change lanes without indicating or looking when I am riding my motorcycle.

  • Col

    I had some shit come into around about in the dark, I waited for a car doing a turn saw it was clear and fuck, just hit his wheel at the front with all my brakes on, he fucks off and kept looking around, if I wasn’t in such shock I would have chased the bastard and run him down, bloody asshole and no helmet, must have had a death wish.

  • GazzW

    Darien Fenton is blaming it on the Nats for allowing so many megatrucks on the road. She reckons that a return to coastal shipping will fix it. I havent quite figured how ships will manage to dock in places such as Hamilton & Palmy but no doubt Cunners has that all figured out.

    • steve and monique

      Silly bitch!.And goes to prove reality is not a close friend of Labour.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

      The truck that hit him was a bog standard truck and trailer with one 40ft container aboard…not a mega truck at all

    • ex-JAFA

      She’s only anti-truck because she’s mashed her face into the sides of so many.

      • steve and monique

        That was the ” UGLY bus” that hit her.

        • ex-JAFA

          Seems like it backed up and had another run at her. And another, and another…

          • steve and monique

            Yup, not enough booze on the planet that would make that pretty

          • andrew carrot

            She could do a hand-stand and people would think she’d been to the best plastic surgeon money can buy

    • Blokeintakapuna

      well if he can walk on water, why can’t ships ship on land?

    • DLM

      Maybe the block she was on was on the back of a truck?

    • Dave

      Inland Port Gazz. My spies tell me Cunners is in negotiations with the unions to build a government funded canal to Hamilton, Rotorua and Palmie for inland shipping. He has started to put a delegation of thousands together to visit the Suez canal, so they can replicate it. Others will be sent to the Korean and German shipyards to commission the building of a fleet of coastal freighters Known as Turds (short for Transport Universal Regional Delivery System), suitable for NZ’s Sewer canals. He has done a deal in exchange for “confidence” with their other owner, the Maori party, for jobs at the Sewer Canals, and the fee of trillions for land rights, tanawhai removal, blessing the sewers, and all who sail on the the Turds. Bros, he believes this is the answer to fix NZ’s economy, guarantee jobs for his Bro’s and stop those trucks injuring the cyclists.

      Just don’t tell him, the trucks are still needed to get the freight from the Turds at the Sewer, perhaps he should send a few hundred more troughers to China to study delivery bikes instead of trucks.

      Happy new Year to SCS!!

      • GregM

        Hehe! Good one Dave. )

      • andrew carrot

        Do you think cunners would support drilling for turds?

  • cyclinggirl

    I have been following whale oil for a while now and agree with most of what is said on here, but I’m pretty disappointed in the anti-cyclist vitriol and the use of the term ‘road maggots’ or ‘road lice’ that is used on WO whenever cyclists are mentioned.

    I am someone who primarily uses my car for transport, but try to use my bike for shorter trips when possible….I, like many other fellow ‘road maggots’, am in no way a greenie but merely someone who prefers to keep fit and save money on petrol when possible.

    The argument about road taxes and warrants/rego for cyclists is incredibly frustrating. I been hit by drivers on two occasions, who both were found by the police to be in the wrong and resulting in both losing their licenses. I would be more than happy to pay for registration etc, but what would this actually achieve? Not only would this be incredibly difficult to enforce (do you charge mountain bikers, children etc who are unlikely to ride on the road?) but most cities or countries have found that the costs of implementing a scheme along these lines far outweighs the revenue generated.

    I’m not interested in abusing the truck driver or laying blame. I admit that a proportion of cyclists can be idiots, as can a proportion of motorists. Unfortunately, those of us who are actually considerate cyclists bear the brunt of this nation’s disdain for cyclists and poor driving skills. If I could pay any amount of money that would make drivers more careful and considerate around me, I would certainly do so. Unfortunately this isn’t likely to be implemented anytime soon.

    • MyTake

      Well said cyclinggirl – I agree with you. I use both, would mind paying a contribution for the bike re WOF or RUC, but that is not going to protect me from aggressive idiots in motor vehicles who don’t give a damn about anyone but themselves

    • Euan Ross-Taylor

      Thanks for the courage to comment and I hope to see you about here commenting more often. I wouldn’t take the ‘bike maggot’ thing too seriously. I think most here would accept that there is a place for cyclists on the road. It is because of the ‘few’ nutters that the majority are lumped together. Some who comment are more, shall we say, less tolerant than most bit they do not necessarily represent the majority, they are just more outspoken.

      • rickh

        exactly right there E R-T !

      • cyclinggirl

        Thanks! A little bit daunting when my first post is on a topic that always tends to get pretty emotive, but haven’t been shot down in flames yet… :)

        • mike

          If you join a debate with reason, logic, a bit of common sense nobody should flame you… but do be prepared for counter arguments and a bit of a grilling

        • CommonSense404

          You’re right though that the idiot cyclists spoil it for the others. Perhaps its because their behaviour is so blatant – running red lights being the most common. You can just see the rest of the traffic fuming when they are sitting patiently (or even impatiently) and cyclists just blast through the lights. The fact that it recurs day after day just builds the kind of negative sentiment that then gets expressed in terms like road maggots.

          Don’t stop commenting!

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

          Yes but a very comment it was too…btw if there was a definition of road maggot it wouldn’t be you…I’m talking about the ones in lycra force fields, who kick cars, ride like cocks, run red lights, cycle in mobs…drive down Pakuranga Highway any given Sunday morning and see what I mean…or drive around the cost past Maraetai…but all the angst over this particular accident…no bike lanes would have saved a fool who runs red lights at one of the busiest intersections in Auckland.

          • Simon

            It’s the bunch riders who piss me off, flagrantly disregarding the road code, which says:

            Following distance

            It’s very important to make sure you have a safe distance between you and the vehicle in front, so you will have enough time to stop if you need to stop suddenly.

            …Under normal conditions, the two-second rule is an easy way to make sure you have allowed enough following distance between your vehicle and the vehicle in front, no matter what speed you’re travelling at
            So, why can’t a cop stop a whole bunch of road maggots and slap them all except the leader with a reckless driving ticket? Maybe this is the sort of education that is needed

        • 2bluemoons

          Don’t worry cyclinggirl if you were a ginger dole bludging ciggarette smoking, iwi card carrying greenie with labour ascentry …….road maggots and road lice is real mild to what you could be called in this little corner of cyberspace, but just take it for what it is some one elses opinion laid out in all it’s name calling splendour, if you can get over your sensibilites you will learn more here about…well everything, than any other MSM site. I for one refrain from calling the cyclist all those name’s ..but I would suggest that if cyclists want all the advantages of the motor vehicle bike truck etc drivers then they should be paying rego.

          • RightOfGenghis

            I sense there are a lot like you who come here to be informed and stimulated but don’t get off on the salty language so much…

          • 2bluemoons

            I thought salty language was swearing like fuck kin hell ….not name calling. :-)
            “informed”…. yes I have been, 1 being…. the many names one can be called.
            …. and stimulated ….well that would be stretching it a bit jj
            I have learnt from the many commenters over the 5 years of reading WO that there is no need to get your nose outta joint cause nothing is going to change one persons view over night and often I will agree with a commenter that I vehemently disagreeded with yesterday.
            I still think cyclists need to pay to bike, people seem more likely to fllow the rules if there are some.

        • RightOfGenghis

          Keep calm and carry on ;)

        • http://www.cadlow.co.nz spanishbride

          Come on in the water’s fine :)

        • pukakidon

          Cyclinggirl good argument. But we all can ride a bike on the road sensibly and calmly. It is not these cyclists that cause the problem.

          It is the MAMILs (Middle Aged Men In Lycra) and their silly girl friends that cause the problem. They are trying to use the road as a free race track, ignoring the road rules and then whining about it, using foul language and arrogant behaviour.

          When I am riding a bicycle on the road I am a guest and borrowing the space I use, I respect the road rules and make way for those paying to use it.

          These lycra wearing Knobs are just ignorant arrogant dickheads.

          • BG

            the ‘cycling is the new golf’ crowd…?

          • andrew carrot

            I love the reforming accountants, real estate agents and cafe owners who make up these Sunday bike parades! Around the BBQ, these characters complain bitterly to me about how often their rush hour traffic becomes bogged down once a crusading cyclist hits the upside of a gentle incline and blocks a lane, but they are never willing to admit that the same thing happens when they hit the road.

      • http://www.cadlow.co.nz spanishbride

        WO and I also call motorcyclists ‘organ donors’ despite the fact that when we were dating I had a motorbike and he was my ‘ Bitch ‘ on the back :)

    • Kimbo

      “If I could pay any amount of money that would make drivers more careful
      and considerate around me, I would certainly do so. Unfortunately this
      isn’t likely to be implemented anytime soon.”

      Forget the timing of implementing. It is a culture change too great for Kiwi motorists on our narrow steep streets to make.

      Better to get off the road, and down to the velodrome. Better than, than being right but dead, and as anecdotal and statistical fodder for the cycling lobby.

      I don’t make the facts of life. I just report them.

      • cyclinggirl

        I recognise what you’re saying, and if velodromes were more accessible I’m sure many more people would choose to ride there instead. However, if massive culture changes such as the significant decreases in smoking or drink driving can occur, why can people not learn to be more considerate drivers?

        • Kimbo

          “if massive culture changes such as the significant decreases in smoking or drink driving can occur, why can people not learn to be more considerate drivers?”

          Because too many people will needlessly die before the chimera of “safe roads for cyclists” is realised to be a fallacy. Smoking dangers are PRIMARILY self-inflicted, and can be minimised by the smokers actions. But cyclists are in constant dangers, irrespective of their lawful and prudent actions. As your own experience has confirmed (“I been hit by drivers on two occasions, who both were found by the police to be in the wrong and resulting in both losing their licenses”). Ultimately you cannot control or depend on the actions of others, but you can take control of your own.

          “…if velodromes were more accessible I’m sure many more people would choose to ride there instead.”

          Now we get to what this debate is REALLY about. I admire your gusts for stepping up to this debate, but you did say, “If I could pay any amount of money…”

          You and all cyclists can. You want safe cycling. Then user pays, cyclinggirl, user pays.

          Either join together and pay for a local velodrome, or find a new sport. “If velodromes were more accessible”?! That is a crock. If you love your sport, you support it, no matter what the time and distance involved.

          • johcar

            Velodromes are for cyclists with the same mentality as Indy 500 fans/participants – going round and round in circles is BORING!

          • Kimbo

            Boo Hoo Hoo.

            Better bored than dead.

            Or raise enough money to build a more interesting velodrome.

          • Kimbo

            Sorry for my initial down-vote (since reversed).

            I’m Kiwi and my miniscule irony-o-meter was on pause

        • layoutman

          There are several bike organizations that run many events with partial road closures out south, west and north of Auckland.

      • Bunswalla

        The issue isn’t just with our narrow and steep streets, it’s to do with the attitudes of all road users. For an accident to occur, one or both parties are in 99% of cases guilty of one or more of the following:
        – dangerous driving (following too closely, not driving to the conditions)
        – speeding
        – inattention
        – arrogance or anger
        – entitlement mentality (look at me, Ma, I’m king of the road!)
        This applies whether it’s car vs car, car vs bike or truck.

        Us kiwis are very poor drivers, we become like Hitler when we get on the road and everyone better get the hell out of the way cos I’m coming through. Our accident, injury and death rates per vehicle kilometre travelled are among the highest in the world, and any countries worse than us do not have the same roading networks that we do – there’s no excuse.

        Unless and until all road users exercise patience, tolerance and judgement, and learn to co-exist with others on our roads, the carnage will continue.

        Also, I don’t think velodromes are the answer. In addition to riding for fitness and health, it’s a mode of transport for me and I enjoy riding (safely so far, unless the holiday-makers are in town) to and from work.

        • Kimbo

          Yes, I agree that there are more than just the factors I mentioned. You have listed more, and I am sure there are others.

          Nevertheless, I fear you are taking your life in your hands cycling on NZ roads. Cycling may be a mode of transport, but I don’t think it should be. Not on our roads.

          The law can be changed and should.

      • BG

        “better to get off the road and down to the velodrome” If I can play devils advocate here. That’s like saying because we always have a shooting death every year during the roar, there should be no hunting and if you want to play cowboy go to a shooting range,.

        • Kimbo

          Nope – a false analogy I’d suggest.

          Hunting is not risk free. But at least if hunters follow the rules, their capacity to harm one another is minimised.

          Cyclists on they other hand, in spite of their efforts to minimise the risks to themselves are always vulnerable.

          To me a better analogy is wanting to go hunting while the army practices artillery in the same area. Common sense says they should not share the area, I say the same with motorists and cyclists on the road…

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Whaleoil

      “If I could pay any amount of money that would make drivers more careful and considerate around me, I would certainly do so. ”

      Buy a car, then you’ll be surrounded by metal and airbags and nice and safe

      • cyclinggirl

        Judging by the annual road toll I’m not exactly sure that’s the answer either!

        • Kimbo

          Shifting goal posts.

          Cuthbert and the cycling lobby zealots are arguing that is its ESPECIALLY dangerous for cyclists compared to other road users.

          • Dave

            There are two alternate solutions, guaranteed to work.

            1) Cyclists OFF the road, try the velodrome.

            2) Cyclists HAVE to wear EXTRA padding and protection, stick to their limits, stop undertaking other motorists and abide by the road rules.

            That would most likely half the current injury/death rate of cyclists.

        • andrew carrot

          Ohhh, I don’t know about that CG! The road toll has been trending downwards for the last two decades. There’s got to be something we can attribute to stronger energy absorbing car structures, ABS, seat belts, airbags, etc behind those stats? Unlike the safety science behind cycling, which hasn’t advanced very far in 200 years.

      • http://www.cadlow.co.nz spanishbride

        Check out my new car. She is gorgeous https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152521277874922&set=a.10150742581454922.499093.679769921&type=1&theater
        and also has my name on her plate. Best of all she is sparkly which is VERY important heh.
        She has air bags for Africa and says goodbye when I leave. She is a Kia Rio in Electronic blue.

    • RightOfGenghis

      Finally someone talking sense. Well done!

  • mike

    Another reason for requiring registration, biggest component cost is the ACC levy… higher the risk of injury higher the cost.

    If your cycle/car/bike/jetski isn’t registered and you have an accident ACC should not pay for your medical/rehab expenses… same deal should apply if you are breaking the law and get injured.

  • rickh

    What do you bet the lycra-wearing wool spinning sandal-wearing land-rights for autistic gay whales (no pun intended) brigade demand that the po-lice charge the innocent truck driver with something. Look what those tools did to that driver on Tamaki drive – he got prosecuted even though the stupid woman was (illegally) underpassing on the left. Charges quite rightly dropped but what a farce.

  • jb

    While it is a tragedy, Mr Truckie was doing his job. He had the right of way and was in the right. Mr Cyclist paid the ultimate price for HIS mistake, thinking he had the time and space to run a red light. I think cyclists, if they want to share the road with vehicles bigger than they, need to be held to the SAME road rules as those vehicles. You know, stop at red lights, give way at Give Way signs etc etc. Cycle lanes wouldn’t have stopped this tragedy. Mr Cyclist needed to have exercised more caution, though he’ll never learn himself, other cyclists should. Though if Ms Genter and her ilk’s attitudes are to go by, it’s the truckies’/car drivers’ fault ALWAYS. I think Mr Truckie needs some slack cut for him.

    • Sooty

      Don’t forget that the trailer cuts the corner due to the length of vehicle. The truck will swing out wide to allow the trailer to cut in. Everyone thinks there’s a nice wide area for me to ride in and gets run over. My score one dead bike, the rider got off his bike and out of the way and one bloody close one.

  • Frank Rogers

    Another example of natural selection in process. Traffic lights are there for a reason. I feel sorry for the police, ambulance crew, nearby motorists and the truck driver. All scared for life by an idiot.

    • jb

      I share that same sorrow for all who witnessed it and those who had to clean up the mess.

    • johcar

      “Traffic lights are there for a reason” – as are Stop signs. Yet every time I am out driving, I see motorists (and a few cyclists) treating them as Give Way signs and rolling through them (instead of coming to a complete stop, as is required)

  • Cowgirl

    I feel bad for everyone involved in this – no vilification for anyone from me, just sympathy.

  • MyTake

    Hmmm Cam….. I like to ride a bike. Have done so in Wellington a lot to get to work over the years, if not for a few years now.
    Running Reds is dumb and you get your just rewards if you do so no argument there. Truckie did nothing wrong, and having lived near Parnell Rise for awhile totally agree that its a real heavy traffic zone there as trucks come and go form the port on to the motorway.
    But its a two way arguement. I have been riding with in the rules signalling where I am going staying out of cars way, and nearly been driven over by stupid drivers not obeying the road rules – i.e. running reds, overtaking a cyclist at an intersection and turning right across the front of me and leaving me no where to go but into the gutter, drivers cutting corners across marked cycle lanes leaving you no where to go, stupid motorists pulling out without indicating from the side of the road right into my path. And all of that pisses me off…
    Roads maybe paid for out of the petrol taxes etc BUT that doesn’t mean cyclists have no rights on the roads.
    They do as do pedestrians – though obviously a different topic BUT Auckland drivers in the CBD think red lights are optional and pedestrian crossing green lights mean cut down a pedestrian [try the corner of Victoria and Albert streets some time its dodge a car and bus central].
    What’s required is an exercise of courtesy and common sense by all parties. Cyclists need to drive defensively, not go 2-3 abreast and block the road and always be aware the car or truck or bus will always win the collision
    I await the abuse for posting a contrary line of thinking ; )

    • Frank Rogers

      I think the point here is that, yes, car drivers can be idiots as well. But I think we can assume that if a car ran a red light and killed a cyclist, all hell would break loose re the driver. Yet when a cyclist drives through a red light, quoted parties move the blame to the truck driver, roads, local and national government, in fact anyone else but the cyclist.
      A see many people floating the road rules everyday but I find the lack of personal responsibility by nearly all cyclists amazing. When you learn to fly you learn that situation awareness is number one. It’s your job to be aware of all traffic around you. Not any body else’s. Why do all most all cyclists not have a basic rear view mirror so they can be more aware of traffic around them.
      This idea that your safety is the responsibility of everyone but yourself is mind boggling. If it is too dangerous to do something…don’t do it or at the very least be aware of everything around you. For gods sake at least get a mirror!!

      • Kimbo

        Yep. Was waiting at an intersection two days ago to turn right on a busy Auckland road.

        I get the green arrow and am just about to turn, when a moron cyclist comes zipping across from my left where pedestrians would usually walk – IF they had a “Walk” sign. Obviously as I have an arrow to go he didn’t.

        Luckily I saw him in time (bear in mind I’m having to make sure on-coming traffic is stopping – I never assume other drivers will follow the road rules. I think that is the essence of good defensive driving). I stop in time for him to zip across (if I had moved forwrad he would have gone flying over my bonnet, or worse), and toot him.

        Sure enough, I got the arrogant “WTF?!” look. He was neither a pedestrian, nor a vehicle with any right of way.

        And if he had gone smashing into my car, there is heartache and anguish, and a whole lot of time trying to prove to the cops I had the right-of-way.

        Get cyclists off our roads. Problem solved!

        • Tom

          I never stop if there is a cyclist crossing a pedestrain crossing riding their bike. They get the fucking idea real quick.
          My only exception is if they have trainer wheels

      • MyTake

        Frank – no where did I argue that cyclist don’t have to take responsibility.
        And yes I agree the knee jerk defend cyclist quotes Cam featured in his post are wrong.
        As I said – its a two way responsibility. frankly nothing peeves me more when driving my car than a cyclist doing something stupid in front of me, but that doesn’t mean cyclists and motor vehicles can’t share the road.
        It just takes people to stop thing the rest of the world revolves around them and to exercise some defensive driving skills.
        people will do dumb things and if it costs them that is natural selection at work.

      • cyclinggirl

        I haven’t seen people laying blame on this poor truck driver, but if this is occurring this is definitely not ok. Barbara Cuthbert has definitely yet again chosen an inopportune moment to campaign for more rights for cyclists…the only reason I can really think of for her doing this is to take advantage of the publicity surrounding this incident. If only she had chosen one of the many incidents where the driver was actually in the wrong!

        • Kimbo

          “Barbara Cuthbert has definitely yet again chosen an opportune moment to campaign for more rights for cyclists…the only reason I can really think of for her doing this is to take advantage of the publicity surrounding this incident.”

          That’s right, cyclinggirl. Now you realise what folks like you are to a trougher like Barbara Cuthbert and zealots like the cycling lobby: At best cannon fodder. At worst collateral damage.

          • Dave

            Barbara is a first class idiot, wrong call, incredibly stupid stunt on her part (and some others) that has backfired.

            Condolenses to the family of the bike rider, and the truck driver.

    • Kimbo

      You wont get abused from me. My best mate was killed by a truck while cycling 8 years ago. He was not at fault. he took all the safety precautions you mentioned.

      And he’s still dead.

      Cyclists on roads does not work. Irrespective of what the law says, and the best intentions, and what SHOULD be…it just doesn’t work.

      Solution: Stop!

      • MyTake

        Sorry for your loss Kimbo.

        • Kimbo

          He left behind a wife and 2 kids under 5.

          He loved cycling. OK, but in hindsight, get down to your local velodrome.

          All this, “let’s imitate the continental Europeans who have a culture of mixing cycling and motorists” crap is that – crap. Like dropping the drinking age was meant to produce a “sophisticated antipodean cafe culture”. That worked out well, didn’t it?!

          Our roads are too narrow and steep (unlike Holland and Belgium which are as flat a a board), our driving culture is too deeply ingrained to accommodate cyclists safely, and because we have a small population in a relatively big country, we think space is ours to take as of right on the road. As this cyclist did in Parnell.

          Get them off the roads, and down to the velodromes.

    • CommonSense404

      Gotta like that – expecting abuse for a contrary POV and what you actually get is…. upvotes. That’s what differentiates WO from the Standard in a nutshell.

  • timemagazine

    Cyclists are a hazard on the roads. Everybody is in danger on the road because of them. The taxpayers have spend too much money on those cyclist lanes compared to the numbers of users.

  • BassilFawlty

    When are the cops going to start getting serious with cyclists breaking the law, the easy touch of the speeders going >4km/ph is too much of a revenue temptation I guess. RUC and registration does not make people obey the road rules, nor do WOFs and ACC. Prosecution and fines work a treat with motorists. Time to stop making excuses for the cops, prosecute the law breakers, stop giving them a free ride.

  • Clyde

    While I know that Dunedin is a back-water for many on this site, people should be aware of just how Local Government and Transit NZ deal with cyclists and cycleways elsewhere. For reasons that are not clear at all, in Dunedin, the authorities have installed cycle-ways on both SH1 one-way roads. These lanes are on the outside of car-parking on these roads. The most recent fatality involved a driver of a car parked on the side of the road opening her car door in front of a cyclist who swerved and went under a truck and trailer unit. Again, the driver of the truck wasn’t aware that the cyclist had been killed until he was stopped several km away from the accident.
    The DCC and Transit NZ are proposing to spend about $4.7m to install barriers and remove parking alongside SH1 to solve this problem and it is apparently beyond their capacity to even consider whether cycleways should exist at all on a SH. The alternative of installing cycleways on less-busy, less inherently dangerous streets, is simply beyond their pitiful minds.
    In my observations, it is only too apparent that cyclists do not generally obey traffic rules at intersections, indulge in lane threading, and seldom indicate their intended actions. Until cyclists are separated out from heavy traffic, these incidents will continue to happen. Think about this – do you see Heathrow used by microlights and other light aircraft? Not on your nelly. The reasons are clear, but until the influence of SPOKES and similar lobby groups are blunted, this nonsense will continue.

    • Sooty

      New Plymouth district council just spent a million dollars on rearranging the main road in from south. Two metre wide cycle lanes on both sides of the road. Narrowed the driving lanes so the trucks would bang their mirrors if the did not drive with their inside wheels on the fog line. As well the go and put a shared cycle lane on the existing footpath, so the pedestain has to dodge bikes who should be on the cycle lanes.

  • 1951

    As shown in our wonderful obesity rates, bugger-all people use footpaths for walking these days. Why not change laws for those wishing to commute on bikes, to use footpaths in all but high-density-pedestrian areas like malls/shopping centres etc. Throw the book-of-huge-fines at them for any infringement/inconsideration to other users of footpaths be they joggers, roller-bladers or grannies. For those wishing to cycle for fitness, go approach some of the cash-strapped golf courses, football clubs or race-courses like Ellerslie and come to some pay-as-you-go working arrangement when those parks are not being utilized. (That is, if any of you have the personality to work with others…..I do have the impression that most cyclists don’t.)

    • Frank Rogers

      No need to change the rules, in my experience our local well used footpaths are used by cyclists anyway. The rules don’t apply to them. I have been clipped by one cycling at high speed on the path and abused by 2 others for reminding them it is not a cycleway but a footpath and sign posted as such but no I was still in the wrong. Most Sundays there is a group of 20-30 older cyclists all talking at the top of their voice cycling on the footpath in one large group. As I say no need to change the rules as they are ignored anyway.

      • 1951

        So you may concur with bracketed comment..? We live in a rural zone that has also had a fatality when bike met truck. If cyclists doing road-training would choose to use roads when the tankers & logging trucks weren’t doing their jobs, they may just enjoy their hobby much more. Darwin is an opportunist.

        • pukakidon

          Why not just get off road bikes and ride around the parks for fitness. We dont see racing cars on the roads they race on tracks. If you want to wear skin tight lycra and pretend you are in a race then use a cycle track.

  • Goldie

    In Wellington, from Ngauranga to Kaiwharawhara, there is a cycle lane. Yet many cyclists continue to cycle on the road, despite it being used by trucks and buses. On the Hutt Motorway there is a cycleway, but many cyclists cycle on the motorway. Particularly suicidal are the cyclists who hare down the Ngauranga Gorge in rush hour between vehicles rather than use the cycle lane.
    Building more cycle lanes will not change the fact that many cyclists are arrogant pricks who believe that they are entitled to cycle wherever they like.

    • Kimbo

      They do the same in Auckland morning rush hour heading up Newton Road to Khyber Pass.

    • Frank Rogers

      Just drove along Hobsonvile Road, Upper Harbour. 50kmh, nearly zero traffic yet adult cyclist riding at speed along the footpath. No brains.

      • OT Richter

        He saw you pulling out of the Hobsonville RSA.

    • pukakidon

      You are right the twats dont even use the cycle lanes. When you ask them why they respond “There are stones and glass that will puncture my tyres” the lazy good for nothing twits want someone to sweep the cycle ways for them, but dont you dare ask them to contribute to that.

  • Frank Rogers

    Having just been out driving I can confirm that intelligence is in short supply by as many drivers an cyclists. So why on earth would cyclists put their lives in the hands of other road users. Stop blaming others, take some personal resonsibilty and if, on balance, it is to dangerous to cycle along a route, don’t do it. I’m guessing the inconvenience of alternative transport is preferable than being a fatality.

    • johcar

      And if the (lack of) intelligence quotient is shown as a percentage across vehicle operators, we will quickly see that there are many more idiots behind the wheel of a motorised vehicle than sitting on two wheels wearing lycra…

      The difference is that motor vehicle operators rely on 1.5 tonnes of metal and seat belts/air bags to survive an altercation with another road user – a cyclist has nothing except common sense (missing in many, but not all) – especially if they are stupid enough to ignore road rules…

      • Frank Rogers

        Quite right. So common sense and a sense of personal responsibility would say not to expose yourself to the risk. you can like cycling but then decide some of the areas are not a safe place to cycle. To make that decision for yourself means survival. To entrust your life to half wits around you is just plain dumb.

  • BG

    Sorry Cam, I know you’ve tried to offer solutions but none mentioned will stop morons knocking over cyclists for fun.
    …and before i get castigated as a road maggot. Yes this cyclist broke the law and paid the penalty and he/she should have known that when you’ve little to no protection the penalty in going to be very grave indeed. And just because you see fuckwits riding down marine parade 75 abreast does not mean that bloke in the Waikato hills training by himself to reach a personal goal are the same people or share the same personalities of self righteousness.
    I love cycling and think of myself as very considerate, and even broke up with a girlfriend who i cycled with because I deemed her as dangerous but I can not understand why my activity riles people so much as to throw things at when I’m so far left, i’m in the gutter?
    Maybe they hate people setting goals and bettering themselves…fucked if i know?

    • OT Richter

      I do believe that part of the hate against cyclists is due to the haters being overweight and/or unfit. Just like when a woman spots a hot looking chick walking/jogging along and can’t help but say something snide.

      • WABloke

        Disagree. I cycle ten k a day and do my level best not to piss people off. 99% of my journey is on a shared footpath but if I am on the road you can bet your arse I won’t be running any red lights any time soon. I am also a biker and you don’t get to be an old biker by being a fuckwit on the road, it’s about common sense and self preservation (not to mention obeying the law), which is why I am quite happy to hurl abuse at cyclists who do stupid shit in front of me when I’m in the car, fuck them. Oh, and for the record; I’m only a couple of kg’s overweight but I’m working on it.

        • pukakidon

          Unfortunately you are from the courteous old school. These lycra wearing wankers are those that dream that they are in a cycling race, and love the thought that when they get to work they can display their padded out ball sace in there work place to some how impress the ladies..

          Most are arrogant professionals who think the world revolves around them and that no one else matters.

          A good example of this sort of shyte is Mallard.

    • greg

      Truck drivers are also hated, campervan drivers are hated, old drivers are hated, young drivers are hated. Its not all about cyclists being the despised ones its just that they stand out more due to the law breaking and taking the whole road up for themselves.

      • WABloke

        “old drivers are hated”; especially old codgers with hats!

        • pukakidon

          That might be a good sport….. Old codger with hat in his car up against Lycra wearing wanker on his bike in a velodrome. I would pay money to watch that.

    • Pissedoffyouth

      I have 0 problems with anyone cycling on the open road by themselves. Normally they are considerate pull over as far as possible and I toot a thanks as I pass safely and get a wave back.

      However, its like lemmings once they get in a group they seem to lose all sense of self preservation and because of that people start getting shitty

      • BG

        I think of the ‘new cyclists’ have ruined the reputation we once had. You know the ‘Cycling is the new golf’ crowd. So now its the Boat, BMW, Bach and $10K Pinarello sitting in the garage

        • Pissedoffyouth

          Reading that list as a westie makes me cringe.

          A well off westie has the following: Crappy old plastic fantastic with 15hp engine, 2007 SS commodore, A sleepout out the back and the old bomb of a harley sitting in the garage

  • SpandexFace

    The problem is not with cyclists wanting to use the road – they are legally allowed to. It is when they don’t realise that cyclist vs car will only ever have one outcome.
    When taught to ride a motorbike I was told to ride as if everyone is trying to kill you. Maybe cyclists should do the same? Riding defensively = riding safe.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

      Yes, but how do you teach sense to someone who is trying to kill themselves?

      There is no cure for stupidity, and common sense can’t be taught.

  • Geoff Blackmore

    What a disrespectful, thoughtless rant this article is. It’s you capitalising on a death. Yes, I agree with much of your view on cyclists in general, but essentially ridiculing someone who just died is just downright disgusting.

    • Ben Corbett

      Totally agree Geoff, really pissed off with the comments and tone of this article, it’s like these pricks are faultless behind the wheel…I walk along that piece of road every working day and can assure you many heavy vehicles blast through well over the speed limit, run reds, ..cargo should be freighted off the port to Southdown, those trucks do not belong in the BCD for fks sake

      • Dave

        Ben, the direction of the article is correct by the News Organisation, WOBH. Too many cycling idiots crying the poor cyclist etc etc. Whilst I feel for his family and loved ones, its the truckie we should feel sorry for. He is innocent, yet the cyclists lobbyists still Cry Foul, oh dear, another death. Its bullshit. The cyclist Died, as he was stupid, ran a red light, and ended up colliding with a truck, the cyclist LOST. If he jumped off a bridge and ended up under the truck would the cycling lobby groups be saying the same things – no. Please look at this in perspective.

        The lobby groups have been incredibly stupid to stage an outcry when clearly their subject lost his life at his own hand, whilst breaking the law. I can guarantee if i drove my car in front of a truck and was killed, there would NOT be any sympathy for me, just like the idiots killed running railway crossings when a train is coming.

        All the Cycling idiots have done is to prove that they think they are above the law and all other road users.

        • andrew carrot

          I can’t wait for the Union of Drinking Drivers to be formed. All we’ll hear when a drunk driver is killed is “don’t blame him, he was a nice guy who took his chances, broke the law and died trying”. Then the state will be blamed for not providing the most expensive means available to allow him to drive home safely – drunk driver lanes.

          • Enuf

            don’t joke, this is actually how the various roading authorities look at road safety. The fact that someone does something they shouldn’t “The Network” should be able to accommodate it.

    • Kimbo

      Actually Geoff, I thought it was Barbara Cuthbert, Julie Anne Genter, and
      Lance Wiggs who were trying to capitalise on a death, and also the anguish of the poor truck driver, who would appear, on the face of things, to have done NOTHING wrong.

      THEY were the targets of the post, not the cyclist – who, btw by any reasonable measure on the face of things was incredibly foolish.

      Or aren’t we allowed to use that term when someone else has tried to make a martyr of him/her?

    • Dave

      Geoff. Which way do you want it. The Cyclist died as he ran a red light, broke the law, took on a truck and LOST. Similar to those that take on a train Geoff. I note your comments on the train issue, which way do you want it, seems you want a dollar each way on this issue.

      Note your comments BELOW……

      “The same train has collided with three vehicles in this area within the past six weeks (car at Taupaki, small truck at Kumeu, and now car at Waimauku). There’s only two trains through the area each day, so the odds are, this shouldn’t be happening. Locals, complacent with thinking trains don’t use the line, are obviously taking risks they shouldn’t. People need to take a lot more care. Those STOP signs are there for a very good reason.”

      Maybe just MAYBE, the cyclist took risks he shouldn’t have.

      Bot, kettle, black.

      • Geoff Blackmore

        Dave, it’s not the issues I’m criticizing (as I said, I generally agree with the view on cyclist behaviour). It’s the TONE of the article, and the fact that the writer is well known to be anti-cyclist, and therefore is very much capitalising on the event every bit as much as Julie Anne Genter and the others.

        My condolences to the family and friends of the cyclist concerned.

        • Kimbo

          What’s wrong with being “anti-cyclist”?

          It is a free country, and we are allowed to hold opinions. The law may allow you and others to cycle on the road, and I certainly intend you no harm.

          Nevertheless, I think it is a foolish law that allows you to share the road with motorists. And it deserves to be criticised, ESPECIALLY in the event of the awful loss that this fool’s poor family now have to endure.

          • Geoff Blackmore

            There’s nothing wrong with it, I didn’t say otherwise.

          • Enuf

            Geoff, Clear off back to transportblog and peddle your arrogant anti anything-not-cycling there with the rest of the mob.

          • Geoff Blackmore

            You must have me mistaken for somebody else, as I’m the one person at Transport Blog taking the stance that cyclists need to face up to their responsibilities. My view is that cyclists need to start taking responsibility for their poor behaviour, and I also think that cycles should be required to carry license plates, as that will encourage cyclists to behave when using the roads. Not sure what gave you the wrong idea, I can only assume you’ve confused me with someone else.

    • WABloke

      Fuck off. The twat ran a red light.

      • Geoff Blackmore

        You and the writer appear to be the same breed. No manners whatsoever.

        • WABloke

          I have plenty of manners sunshine and I use them on the road on a daily basis. I also (try to) obey the road rules. That way I have a better shot at staying alive, keeping my loved ones alive and avoid killing innocent parties. Part of that is stopping for red lights.

  • Dave

    If we had a decent media, they would be calling for the groups critical of the cycling laws to apologise, but they are just pathetic. The story should read –

    Truckie innocent, cyclists nationwide to hang their heads in shame after their outbursts.

    yeah, tui.

  • rightoverlabour

    You got to read Stuff’s takes on this. Specially this pearler “”Tangiia’s death has caused outrage over continued inaction on cycle routes.” How about Tangiia’s death has cause outrage over cyclists ignoring the road code? Look, its tragic someone else has died on the roads but the politicking generated by this is disgusting. (This is the same Stuff that had a leading article on Mugabe’s collapse that was not run by another single major news source….)

  • hookerphil

    ” I am yet to see a single cyclist on any of the cycle lanes out my way…installed, no doubt at huge expense, because one womble lobbied hard for it.” Possibly because they know you live out that way.

  • LesleyNZ

    Very sad now the cyclist’s name has been released. There is a family grieving while the cycle action lot seek media attention for their own advantage. Split second decision of the wrong kind cost this man his life.

  • GregM

    I have been watching this all day and here’s my opinion.
    I’m a biker, been riding various mostly large and powerful motorbikes for 34 years. I don’t need a degree in rocket science to tell me that if I run a red light, with a truck doing 50 kmh through a green light coming the other way, I’m going to die.
    This guy made a bad decision and paid the ultimate price, and I have compassion for his family and friends, but it has also identified the fact that far too many cyclists seem to think the road code doesn’t apply to them.
    Hopefully this will be a wake up call to the minority of cyclists that ignore the law.

    • WABloke

      2013 was my 40th anniversary of motorcycle riding. I don’t recall ever running a red light and consequently I’m still here. It ain’t rocket science is it?

      • GregM

        Funny thing is, I’ve been bowled over twice, once by a car running a red, and once forced off the road by a gaggle of cyclists on the wrong side of the road on Takaka hill.

        • WABloke

          T/Hill, mmmmm.

  • Mr CrAcKeR (I’m Back)

    Bloody Hell, talk about giving cycle bunnies a serve, still not every nice what happened.

  • Crookednose

    I was listening to the radio today and a talkback caller actually said something that made a bit of sense. He reckons that the reason these Latte cyclists seem to think they don’t have to stop for anything and anyone is that they are clipped into their pedals with their shoes. And they can’t/won’t unclip them to be stationary and reclip when its take off time on the green.
    Another point is that Hi Vis gear makes them think they are visible to everyone and they ride less defensively on the road.
    While I have sympathy for the family – the fact that the truck had the green light says it all.

    • layoutman

      Exactly what I was thinking (along with all types of road users breaking the law at times, car, truck, cycle, motorcycle etc). I think a key issue is the inherent belief that cyclists will save time so they buy the fastest, lightest bike they can find with the most gears possible and ‘generally’ select the road rules they feel apply to them when they feel like it to get to work faster.

      Cycling in Europe is often brought out as an example of what we should have – bikes they use to commute have 3 gears max, often a basket in front and ride on reasonably flat cobblestone roads! Its a lifestyle thing.
      I would suggest that 95% of the NZ commuter cyclists would be frowned upon in their commuter gear and bikes but European cyclists! -Let alone survive the trip on the paper thin wheeled speed machines.

  • Alberto

    I am a weekend cyclist. I make sure I wear a high vis jacket, a decent helment, proper footwear and a pair of gloves. I also have a rear view mirror mounted on the handle bar. I also spend 95% of my time driving a car around Auckland. Unfortunately some drivers and cyclist alike are either stupid, ignorant, arrogant or lack common sense with regards to their own safety behavior and actions. I think we have done enough talking, it is time for more actions, such as enforcement and heavy fines for breaking the traffic rules, e.g. running the red lights, riding more than two abreast, not indicating while changing lanes, speeding, tailgating etc. I cannot belief how some of the so called “intelligent” member of our society always try to blame other factors for bad behavior of the cyclist or motorist. Throwing more money to fix the problem is not the silver bullet to solve bad behavior and attitude. E.g. Along Tamaki Drive, most cyclist do not use the designated cycle lane on the footpath, they rather risk their own lives and the lives of others by using the road designated for motor vehicles.

  • Alberto

    This unfortunate incident is just
    another important reminder to us all that we need to firstly follow and respect
    all the road codes and rules, secondly is to be a bit more patient and think
    carefully the potential consequences of our actions. One of the biggest
    problems facing Auckland is the attitude of drivers, cyclist and pedestrians;
    they often deliberately flaunt the rules of the road and lack common sense with
    regards to safety of themselves and others. Every weekend along Hillsborough Rd
    we had small groups of cyclist riding two to three abreast through the windy
    narrow road, these idiots not only risk their own lives but the lives of other
    road users. I witnessed on many occasions where drivers overtaking these idiots
    nearly collided head on with oncoming traffic. I am certain cyclist will
    slowly change their behaviour if more enforcement is being applied for not
    riding two or three abreast.

  • Calandre

    I was at this intersection just a few seconds after this accident happened and before the emergency services arrived. If this cyclist ran this red light and collided with this truck, it’s clear he had a Death Wish. The traffic on this particular day was extremely heavy with significant traffic from the port so he either took a chance or his brakes failed. But he got his wish. He lay on the road like a fragile, broken, bloodied insect and in a second his life was gone. It was horrific and achingly sad to realize that in a split second of extreme ill-judgment (or equipment failure) he lost his life and a family lost a son, a brother, a husband and a father – and an innocent truck driver in the right place at the wrong time will have to grapple with this forever. Whatever the reason for this accident all of their lives are changed forever and for this cyclist it’s over – at 37.

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