Trump sticks his oar in to give the warmists a good paddling

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He might be an ignorant chump at times, but Trump doesn’t always get it wrong. Last month he mocked fired journalist Martin Bashir over his comments about Sarah Palin, but this month he’s been giving the fruit loops stranded in ice a good shellacking on Twitter.

Via Michael Bastasch @ The Daily Caller:

Real estate mogul and billionaire Donald Trump spent the holidays ridiculing climate scientists headed to the South Pole to document global warming who instead got stuck in sea ice.

Trump made his opinions known on Twitter.  

It is really too bad that the scientists studying GLOBAL WARMING in Antarctica got stuck on their icebreaker because of massive ice and cold

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 27, 2013

On Dec. 24, the Akademik Shokalskiy research vessel got stuck in thick Antarctic sea ice on its way to the south pole. The vessel held 52 passengers, including climate scientists who were looking to show how global warming has melted the ice surrounding the southern continent.

The vessel became stuck in the ice for over a week. Chinese and Australian boats finally rescued the passengers on Thursday. While the climate scientists on the expedition remain convinced that global warming is melting Antarctic sea ice, Trump has slammed the expedition.

The rescue icebreaker, trying to free the ship of the GLOBAL WARMING scientists, has turned back-the ice is massive (a record). IRONIC!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 28, 2013

Trump also added this little comment about record temperature lows hitting large areas of the country late last year:

Temperature at record lows in many parts of the country. 50 degrees below zero with wind chill in large area. Global warming folks iced in!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 29, 2013

In case his Twitter followers couldn’t decipher what he thinks about global warming, Trump tweeted out this message:

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Praise the lord for useful idiots. And taxidermists.

  • Salacious T Crumb

    And when these Eco-tards return their respective universities should say “you’re fired”.

    • dumbshit

      but they were counting birds in their spare time!

      • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

        You can do the same thing at Mission Bay on a hot day.

    • Bunswalla

      And “give us back our fucking money”

  • http://manymonkeys.co.nz/ Hamilton Lad

    Rodney Hide making sense in the HOS today.

    “Future historians may point to this one ironic event as the trigger that finally ended the public fear of global warming.”
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/climate-change/news/article.cfm?c_id=26&objectid=11181415

    • cows4me

      You would like to think so but there are some very feeble minded out there.

      • Rodger T

        True dat,as Mark Twain said ,it is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.

  • cows4me

    If this gets him going just think how he’ll feel when the messiah returns from Hawaii and starts yapping about climate change and how the American people must do their bit.

  • Solarus

    Stuff.co.nz has been doing it s best to ignore latest developments in this story.

    Check out the list of AAE supporters:

    http://www.spiritofmawson.com/aae-supporters/

    The NZ Dept of Conservation has some explaining to do.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

      They’re not all scientists either. Why the hell would an Events and Branding Marketing Manager for Google Australia and New Zealand be going as part of the ‘science team’?

      Leticia Lentini

      Institution: Google Australia & New Zealand

      Leticia Lentini is the Events and Branding Marketing Manager for Google Australia and New Zealand. She’s been with Google since 2005, and has held a variety of roles in the marketing team as well as managing the day to day operations of the Australian office. In her current role she leads Google projects across Asia Pacific ranging from Doodle 4 Google to the YouTube Symphony Orchestra, and is also the Google for Nonprofits lead for Google Australia and New Zealand. Leticia is on the board of YAPstuff.org, and her cooking channel has nearly 50,000 followers on Google+

      • Solarus

        What the …. ?

      • ex-JAFA

        Maybe the Googles were considering buying into their crap with some huge sponsorship, or development of nutter-friendly technology, so she was there to check it out?

  • Rodger T

    Absolutely fascinating to watch the MSM ignore the fucking Mammoth in the room on this “story”.

    • ex-JAFA

      At last, some evidence of what “trained and skilled” really means: an awe-inspiring ability to ignore what’s going on and beat the ideology drum.

  • Dr Wang

    The climate scientists planned this trip based on Al Gore’s 2012 reports of what was occurring in the Antarctic. This is what happens when you are “informed” by Al Gore.

    • sheppy

      That’s an inconvienient truth!

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

      And he’s STILL laughing all the way to the bank.

  • Nev

    I have to disagree. Donald Trump obviously does not know the first thing about climate change, and I would never take his advice on any scientific subject. How would he explain that Australia has just had its warmest year since records began?
    Climate change can also explain the current cold snap in North America, and the ship being trapped in ice.
    I suggest that if people here read the New Scientist’s magazine website for a few weeks, they get a better idea of what is going on. It isn’t just one or 2 climate scientists going on about it, it is scientists from every discipline talking about the effects of both higher temperatures and higher concentrations of CO2 and methane in the atmosphere.

    • Pissedoffyouth

      You mean, natural climate change?

    • sin-ic

      So why have those noisy ones changed the theme from “Global Warming” to “Climate Change”? The best of both worlds just gives them greater opportunities to make a nolise..

      • Nev

        That is because, as many of you are saying, it means that there will be colder weather in some places due to the changes in air and sea circulation. As an example, Britain’s climate may well cool as the Gulf Stream loses volume as the ice reduces in the North Polar Ocean. The Gulf Stream has already lost about 1/3 of its volume in recent times. The cold in North America is thought to be due to a change in the movements of the Jet Streams. It is a very complicated business, which is why the scientists have been arguing about it for a long time.

        • ex-JAFA

          WHEN?? WHEN the fuck is arctic ice going to reduce? There’s more of it now than at any time during your kind’s cherry-picked data. Why are you scaremongering about something that may never happen?

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

            We’re gonna need bigger ice breakers

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

            If anything, we’re gonna need bigger ice breakers

          • jaundiced

            Artic ice is reducing. Not so in the Antartic.

          • ex-JAFA

            So what’s all that mysterious white stuff in the satellite images Travis posted?

          • jaundiced

            Hope its true, but its like reading the polls – depending on your bias, we interpret a blip as a trend. Lets have another look next year.

          • ex-JAFA

            Righto, book your seat now and I’ll see you back here then. Or maybe we could actually get to set it live on a Virgin Galactic flight? That’d be cool.

        • Solarus

          Skip back five or ten years and there were headlines saying the Arctic would be ice free by now. In 2000 there were headlines saying snow would be a thing of the past in 2010. Every computer model of warming got what actually happened wrong. You may be able to spin some story about how America and other places like India and Egypt, not to mention Antartica, are colder because it is warmer but, seriously, haven’t your BS detectors tripped a little? Aren’t you even somewhat sceptical?

          • Nechtan

            They are believers, almost cult like, there is no room for scepticism.

        • sin-ic

          As I said, More opportunities to further confuse the arguement

        • pukakidon

          The reason these so called Scientists have been arguing about it is to claim their state funded meal ticket.

          Where are these idiots who predicted the ice melt now. Still arguing are they. It might be time for them to get a new job.

        • Dan
      • Mr Sackunkrak

        It’s a bit like trying to name a new religion. You have to go with a brand that’s credible enough to maximise the feeble-minded catch.

    • Other_Andy

      “How would he explain that Australia has just had its warmest year since records began?”

      1. Only according to BOM, RSS disagrees.
      2. Only according to the ‘new’ BOM dataset.
      3. Only when a select few stations are used.
      4. The US is currently facing record breaking cold. Local records don’t mean anything.
      5. Global average temperatures have been flat for at least 15 years.
      6. Global average temperatures have been cooling for the last 10 years.

      And since records began is how long?
      30 years, a 100 years?
      That’s 0.000003% of the Earth’s history.

      • Night Stick

        Aboriginal folklore is full of accounts of bush fires. Did they deliberately go around starting fires?

        • cows4me

          On some occasions, yes most definitely.

          • Nev

            Ha, very true, but I guess lightening does it too. The bush seems to have evolved with fire as part of the life cycle, so I would think the fires predate humans arriving there.

          • Other_Andy

            Correct.
            Some species of plants in Australia need the heat from a fire to propagate.

          • justin

            Sounds like my missus.

        • Other_Andy
        • Blueballs

          Of course they did, don’t discount the Abbos as stupid, they new full well the benefits that burn offs could have in terms of regeneration of localised flora.

        • BG

          Read Bryce Courtney’s excellent Four Fires and he tells that the Aborigines thought it was in fact poor land management not to light fires. Knowing that many of the local plant fauna require extreme heat (1000 degree plus) to regerminate.

          • Blueballs

            I’ve yet to see or hear of “plant fauna”, a plant that could supply one with a juicy t bone would be a rare find indeed

      • Solarus

        Another story few have covered is the hundreds who have died on the streets of New Delhi from cold.

        • Other_Andy

          And the first snow in Egypt for a 100 years
          Record colds in South America, Cambodia and Thailand.

          Again, our ‘records’ are based on very limited data and snow in Egypt for the first time in a 100 years is not remarkable as it snowed in Egypt before, a 100 years ago.
          However, CAGWarmists ignore all the cold records and make a big hoohah when there is a warm record.
          I wonder why..?

          • Nev

            Yes, climate change means more extremes as there is more energy driving the weather. And they don’t ignore the cold records.

          • Other_Andy

            “Yes, climate change means more extremes as there is more energy driving the weather.”

            The problem with that theory is that temperatures have not been rising for the last 15 years and have been cooling for more than a decade.

          • Other_Andy

            “And they don’t ignore the cold”
            Well then I must have missed the following stories (This month only) in the Herald and the MSM.

            * For the first time in 20 years, the USA saw more record cold temperatures than record hot temperatures in 2013.
            * Record snowfall in Massachusetts.
            * Record cold, 15 children have died in the northern districts of Bangladesh.
            * Three people killed by extreme cold in Pakistan.
            * Delhi – Coldest December day in 17 yrs – 2nd coldest in 50 yrs.
            * Record cold across much of Northern Ontario and Quebec.
            * Coldest day in Islamabad in 46 years.

      • Nev

        Who is BOM?
        Air temperatures have been relatively flat, but sea temperatures are rising, and it takes a huge amount of energy to change water temperature compared to air. Overall the amount of energy being retained is much higher than previously. Don’t forget the ice sheets melting on Greenland, that takes huge energy to make the phase change, without any temperature change.
        Yes, compared with the age of the earth it is a tiny time period we are looking at, and astronomers I know laugh about it, as it has been through much bigger changes in the past. The difference now, is that there are so many people on earth that our supply of food is delicately balanced, and a minor change by prehistoric standards will mean mass starvation, and very likely war. Would China sit on its hands while their people starve? They have done that in the past, but I suspect the world is different, and they are feeling more confident now.

      • PsychoKea

        Also more measuring stations with more accurate equipment and logging systems , not exactly eliminating observer bias

    • Solarus

      Don’t trust New Scientist – they are Leftists pushing the CAGW agenda.

    • Other_Andy

      “…effects of higher concentrations of CO2..”
      Most of the “warming effect” of CO2 occurs at 20 ppm.
      The effect of increases over 200 ppm are very small.
      The feedback effects are the main drivers. Water vapour is the main ‘greenhouse gas’ and warming should (According to the models) increase the amount of water vapour. However most (honest) scientists can’t even agree if it has a negative or positive feedback effect.

      • Nev

        Yes, the role of water vapour is still being researched. I saw in the last couple of days that they now think the effects will be worse than expected as the water vapour will not go high enough to form clouds, which would have increased the reflection of sunlight back into space to have a cooling effect. The big concern at the moment is as the Arctic ocean warms, a large amount of methane will be suddenly released from frozen deposits on the Ocean floor. As Methane is a much more powerful heat retainer than CO2, that is a concern.

        • PsychoKea

          Water vapor not going high enough to form clouds , what a complete load of bollocks, so standard convective processes are going to change as well are they ?

        • Pissedoffyouth

          Right…

        • Other_Andy

          ” I saw in the last couple of days that they now think the effects will be worse than expected..

          Yep, the stories are always getting worse. The real world, not so much. That ‘it’s worse than we thought’ story came from Steve Sherwood, a colleague of Chris Turney, the guy who got stuck in the ice that shouldn’t have been there according to the IPCC and the models.

          “As Methane is a much more powerful heat retainer than CO2, that is a concern.”

          Neither CO2 or methane are ‘heat retainers’

        • Rodger T

          Jeepers talk about,if you can`t blind them with science, baffle `em with bullshit.
          Maybe we can burn off the large amounts of Methane that will be suddenly released,there you go problem solved.
          Little hard to imagine how this frozen methane will be released tho` ,with the summer ice pack increasing.

    • rockape

      Nev were these the same climate scientists that talked about GLOBAL WARMING until the facts proved different. They now talk of Climate Change, but even then there were always times in the past, before we put out so much CO2 when things were just as bad. So the whole thing is just a theory and the theory is just not supported by the facts.

      • Nev

        Well, I do know that people used to ice skate on the Thames, and it is not that cold now. This is more a case of a lot of facts looking for a theory. Don’t forget, gravity is just a theory, and in terms of physics theories, has a lot less to support it that climate change has.

        • PsychoKea

          I would say that gravity is pretty real otherwise we would have all floated off into space a long time ago ! Sure people used to skate on the Thames but that doesn’t prove squat. The problem is now in the era of mass communication every climate event that is in the least bit outside the norm is over reported and used as evidence of anthropogenic climate modification, this stuff has always happened just didn’t get reported as much.

        • EveryWhichWayButLeft

          and they used to be able to grow grapes in the south of England too… Conveniently overlook that one?

          • Mike

            They still do

        • Other_Andy

          And the Vikings growing wheat and keeping livestock in Greenland…

    • Cowgirl

      Instead of listening to scientists and statistics all the bloody time, I think I’m just going to live my life with consideration to my environment (as I usually do) and see what happens. All the rest is just speculation.

      • Nev

        Way to go. Things will only change if we all do our bit, there is no point in waiting for the government.

        • Bunswalla

          Whatever “our bit” is, and regardless of what we do, nothing will change in your lifetime, or mine. Nothing will change that’s the result of man’s efforts – for good or for bad – and nothing will change that isn’t within the normal parameters of this flying chunk of ice and rock we call home.

        • cows4me

          “no point waiting for the government”, the government is the problem. I can spend my money better than the fucking government when it comes to “doing our bit”. All this bullshit is about socialism and the advancement of the NWO, or one world government, on the back of environmental law. There’s no easy way to tell you Nev, you’ve been had.

      • Bunswalla

        Yep CG, we’re all either going to be burnt to a crisp, or become giant ice cubes, or (far more likely) something entirely inconsequential in between those two extremes. Nothing we do or say is much going to influence that.

        • Cowgirl

          I just try not to trash the environment too much – but to me that’s normal. I don’t know anyone who wilfully tries to do damage to it. Most people I know consider the environment when making choices and don’t litter etc. If we all just try and keep things nice and minimise our impact, I don’t think that should be a serious hardship for anyone.

    • ex-JAFA

      You don’t HAVE to disagree, Nev. You could give THINKING a lash.

      • Nev

        Thinking is always good. I am trained and qualified in it :-)

        • pukakidon

          Yes you may well be Nev, but there certainly seems to be something missing. It is called common sense.

    • Nev

      My, i thought I would get a good reaction.
      Yes, natural climate change has been going on ever since the earth has been around. A couple of times it has been a snowball, and had to have global warming from CO2 emitted from volcanoes to warm up enough to melt the ice. In fact the reason we know about global warming is because the scientists researching why the earth was not a snowball now, found out the CO2 traps the heat and prevents us from freezing again.

      • ex-JAFA

        So you’re saying that all the freezing going on means there’s no issue with CO2? That’s good to know.

      • Other_Andy

        “…have global warming from CO2 emitted from volcanoes to warm up…”
        Get the science right.
        Volcanic eruptions cause cooling, not warming.

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Travis Poulson

          Hang on, that doesn’t fit in with the agenda. Do you mind if we change that back around again please?

          • Other_Andy

            ” Do you mind if we change that back around again please?”
            Go ahead, it wouldn’t be the first time..:-)

      • ratmuncher

        Complete nonsense. Massive volcanic eruptions cause cooling not warming. There is no lab experimental basis for CO2 trapping heat. The climatologists need to talk to the chemists.

    • Rodger T

      I don`t suppose you have any idea of the temperatures before “records began” Nev?

    • PsychoKea

      I gave up on that rag a long time ago, populist crap posing as a serious science journal

    • pukakidon

      Gee, Neanderthal man new about Climate Change why is it taking you so long?

      The term Global Warming is obviously a load of old nonsense.

    • ratmuncher

      Methane in the atmosphere is not increasing or if it does doesn’t hang around long as it very quickly breaks down into water vapour when it reacts with OH in the troposphere). Lightning also “thins out” methane.
      There is a self regulating system going on. Also it is only assumed that C02 causes warming – it was first thought to cause cooling.

    • Dan

      Trump is a switched on rooster make no mistake.

  • steve and monique

    Guess they are cut from the same cloth, as the early so called scholars who thought the world was flat, and you could sail off the edge. Wonder how that worked out for them.

    • Nev

      Pity the scholars didn’t talk to the sailors and the scientists, they knew the earth is round, and even had an idea how big it is.

      • pukakidon

        Unfortunately they suffered the same as we are getting from the so called educated Scientists. They just could not get over themselves as being well educated and no it alls.

  • Mr_Blobby

    How can people who are always so right, get it so wrong all the time.

    • pukakidon

      arrogance….

  • jaundiced

    So the glaciers aren’t retreating then? Phew!

  • GregM

    Here you go. Ice temps in Greenland going back 15,000 years. It seems that for most of the last 10,000 years it has been warmer than it is now.

  • Rodger T

    Oh ma Gawd, Co2 and Methane being released in Iceland,break out the sunscreen in the Land of the Midnight Sun.

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=67b_1388875205

  • Dan

    I like the Donald. I understand he is a bit of a self promoting tard but he is a gun man and boy he wouldn’t stand any shit as president would he.

    • Bunswalla

      Perhaps not, but if you look up the definition of “unelectable” in the dictionary, you’ll find a photo of the Donald.

      • Nechtan

        I think many said the same about JK’s golfing partner.

        • Bunswalla

          Well Max is only 19 so give him a few years – he’s only just got the vote!

  • Nev

    This has been an interesting discussion. I never expected to “convert” anyone, but there are some interesting links posted on the thread which go to sites which have data on them that agree with what I am saying.
    I have to say that I am not a climate scientist, my qualifications are to do with business management, and have taught me to deal in facts, and check where ever possible. I don’t collect climate data, so it is more difficult to have a discussion when relying on other people’s information.
    The puzzle I have is, why argue so much about it? Everything we can do as individuals will save us money, energy-efficient light bulbs, cars and appliances will all save us money, and reduce CO2 emissions. Even better, reducing our reliance on oil from increasingly unstable sources will save us from having to go to war to preserve our supply. Which is one of the reason’s the US government is pushing fuel economy. A lot of American citizens have been killed to preserve big business’ profits from oil.
    My advice is, don’t worry about the science behind it, just enjoy the savings you can make.

    • Solarus

      If you want to buy energy efficient light bulbs, drive electric cars, whatever, fine – go to it. But don’t force me to do the same. Don’t force me to pay taxes to fund or subsidise your green schemes or impose green regulations on my business that drive up costs. That’s what rankles. It’s that people like you would put a boot on my throat to force me to be green. But how can using force be compatible with being green? It isn’t and you should try to understand why.

      • Nev

        I wasn’t suggesting you have to pay towards the electric cars etc. Even in the US, where they apparently have a big subsidy ($16,000 I think), they are not selling well. There is some more development needed of batteries and infrastructure to charge them.
        I am saying that whether you like or not, you are already paying. According to a recent article in either the Dompost, or SST, insurance companies have included charges to cover the damage climate change is doing. You will also be paying through your taxes for military action to support the supply from the Middle East. As we need more and more oil, it will be coming from more difficult to reach, and will come from more expensive locations, and you will be paying. Anything we can do to reduce our usage of oil will reduce our personal costs, regardless of whether or not you believe mankind is responsible for the climate change.

  • Nev

    I should add, buy New Zealand made where possible, as most of our electricity used for manufacturing is from hydro stations, and natural gas, which are both the best you can use for CO2 emissions. Plus you provide local jobs.

    • Solarus

      It is best to buy what provides the best value, regardless of location of manufacture.

  • Nev

    Here’s and article from the Washington Post on this subject.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/06/can-global-warming-be-real-if-its-cold-in-the-u-s-um-yes/

    The article makes clear that there is plenty of debate about the exact details of regional variation, and the causes for it, but makes an interesting read.

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