Hagers Book – Part 2

It is somewhat amusing to see the media reaction to all this, especially John Campbell not believing that Cam is overseas.   He left on Sunday to go to Fiji and has filed stories from there, including photos.   He flew out this morning on the next leg of what is a 15 day trip.  Right now we’re not talking to other media yet.  We can’t talk about a book we haven’t read.

I’ve started this post so it can capture fresh comments.  The previous one is overflowing!

  • The Whinging Pom

    Next cheap shot from Campbell et al will be that he got wind of the book and set up his overseas trip to avoid the flack. Because he doesn’t like a scrap, you see…

    • Doodlehead

      Happy to stand corrected but I thought Campbell said he didn’t think Cam knew about this as it was rumoured to be about Snowden

      • johnnyB

        yes – and I would hazard a guess that when Cam plans a trip he doesn’t contact Nicky Hager to make sure there isn’t going to be a clash.

      • Molon Labe

        Your are correct John made that very clear. Frankly, he looked very underwhelmed by it all and had difficulty hiding his disappointment. I’m not exaggerating.

        • Not Clinically Insane

          He was gutted alright that all its about some is right-wing blogger and emails and nothing ‘juicy’ about spying

        • OT Richter

          JC started off rather excited, but quickly got bored/underwhelmed once he got the gist of the book’s direction. Hager was desperately trying to talk it up, but could sense book sales waining by the second – in direct contrast to WhaleOil page views over the next couple of days.

          • Molon Labe

            I had flash back. They started it off with it being packed out. Then in the background while Nicky was being interviewed there were just a couple of geezers wandering around looking lost.

      • The Whinging Pom

        Fair enough. I hadn’t seen the programme at the time – I was reflecting with irony that the media like a bob each way and if they couldn’t slur Cam by saying reports of his being overseas were lies they’d revise the smear to him going away to avoid the heat. I suppose that when you have to explain irony you’ve missed the mark!

        I’ve now seen the clip and they do seem to make a meal of whether he really is away but as you say do suggest that he didn’t know what was coming.

  • kaykaybee

    I felt the assault by TV3 on Cam’s house was beyond awful. The worst of it was they allowed the national broadcast of the name of Cam’s daughter as her mother talked to her. I know Campbell has plumbed some depths and assumed the moral low ground often, but surely editorial sanction doesn’t extend to involving the minor children of bloggers

    • Aaron

      Campbell Live has shown they don’t have standards as they support Len Brown.

    • Jonathan P

      Involving Cams family is complete and utter B.S on the media’s part, they SHOULD know better.
      Im sure though that Cam was expecting this after aligning himself so closely to the national party.

      Of course when he returns I’m sure he will clearly make his displeasure known about the medias involvement of his family.

      • Edward Bufe

        This book is making Cam a rock star and the media are promoting it and the irony of it all, is they are unaware of it. Shame

        • Jonathan P

          It is a delicious irony for Cam at the WO crew.

      • OT Richter

        I’m not so sure they purposefully involved Cam’s family as they apparently didn’t know he was out of the country. The convo through the door was relatively civil, with the reporter asking the obvious why, where and when questions.

        • Euan Ross-Taylor

          But why was the footage even worthy to be shown? Should have just said, “We checked Slater’s house and it seems he is out of the country”. Why show footage of their feeble effort?

      • kehua

        Ya got that bit right son.

    • JeffDaRef

      It was awful – but it was also hilarious in that it showed how much of a pretender the reporter was.
      Completely under-prepared and unaware.
      If a story is breaking about NZ’s most popular blogger…would it not be even marginally rational to head to the blog for a look before reporting on it…?
      Complete muppet!
      On the other hand I though Campbell – until the comment mentioned about not believing Cam is away – was pretty reasonable and himself struggled to see the story in this…I suspect they lined Hagar up as lead story in the expectation it would be much more…

      • kaykaybee

        There’s that I suppose, but how easy would it have been for a producer with integrity to bleep the name and the child’s voice.

        • JeffDaRef

          This is Campbell Live we’re talking about, don’t forget…
          (agree with you though!)

    • Whafe

      Agree, Cams family is off limits, especially his children… Shocking really, but am not surprised…

      The left hey, lower than a sandle

      • cows4me

        Lower than a snakes belly in a wheel rut.

  • OAP

    Had to start a new discussion as the last one overflowed, how good is that. Nicky thank you so much, we truly appreciate your advertising on our behalf, all gratefully received.

  • Guest

    He is not in Korea

  • Quinton Hogg

    Complaint time to the Broadcasting standards authority.

    • OT Richter

      Why? Because they didn’t post the WO web address? It will attract new people to this site, who will hopefully hang around and contribute.

  • unitedtribes

    Dosnt seem that there is much actual content of the book released yet but I guess all it will do is show that Cam is very careful what he realises on his blog much more so than others who criticise him

    • kiwibattler

      Well Winston has read the whole thing and already passed judgement (see above).

  • AXE

    Why did the first post originally say Cam was in Israel?

    • Bazz Stewart

      I saw that too haha

      • AXE

        I have a screen shot. He must have forgot where he was.

        • Snoop

          Why did you take a screen-shot of Cams Fiji post ???
          You sound more efficient and pedantic than I am … AXE …
          Which is not something that many folks are capable of doing …

          • Agent Balzac

            I rely on my eidetic memory. Old fashioned. I know

          • Snoop

            Dont know what Eidentic Memory even means … Agent B …
            Will take your word for it … which is difficult for me to do … :)

    • Agent Balzac

      From the Fiji post earlier I saw that Cam was flying to Israel, probably enroute

  • Aaron

    Have you seen the way how the Internet Party is promoting the book. I wonder if it was KDC leaking the info to hager

    • la la land

      I’d say that’s an absolute certainty…

  • GarethsPussy

    Big News! Cam Slater talks to National!

    Is Hager the last person in NZ to know?

    • Jonathan P

      Its not so much the “talking to National” but what was said.
      Naturally many here will not mind nor care regardless of the content of the “talks”
      I just hope people can hold an open mind if evidence is given.

      • Agent Balzac

        You can bet your butt Campbell had a pre copy of the book and if there was anything in it he would be shrieking in indignation by now.

        • Second time around

          Campbell said he had not, but did have colleagues “upstairs” speed reading it. The interview content looked problematic- comments made against one cabinet minister that are either true or highly libelous, the whole book fabricated on data stolen during an attack on a computer system- Hager should realise that he is writing a book, not defending NZ from invasion as the GCSB might be….

          • Agent Balzac

            Best thing Hager did was not release it to the media first. By tomorrow he will be discredited, because for sure it’s no ‘hollow men’. All it proves is that he steals more emails than the GCSB

      • GarethsPussy

        Ooooohhhhh….what was said!

        Based on the stunning revelations so far, will it be “Hey Cam, heads up – internal polling showing Cunliffe on the decline”

        Hager is rejumping the shark.

      • wooted

        “Irony” – mentioning something written by Nicky Hager and open mind in the same sentence.

        • Jonathan P

          Touche

  • Falcor

    Sounds like the book was researched last month, in the publishers last week, at the printers over the weekend, and here we have it.
    I am completely bowled over about these dirty deeds done dirt cheap and will consider re-enlisting (for the first time) in a socialist mag

  • Agent Balzac

    Does Hagers book require an Electoral Authorization statement? #justwondering

  • kiwibattler

    Winston has spoken “Sadly for the Prime Minister it goes to his office in the same way it went to Nixon’s office during the Watergate scandal” – obviously hasn’t read the dud book then…….

    • rantykiwi

      Did we expect anything less from Winnie after the Johnnie Walker hour?

  • Cunliffes ski instructor

    cam, and the team imortalized at last, pity its in a book thats” Much ado about nothing”

  • Lêvon Bulwyer

    Campbell had a look like ‘was that it?’ during the interview

    • JeffDaRef

      Made even funnier by Hagar being quite literally breathless as he talked about “his theory” and “what he believes”…but unable to offer a single snippet of substance…

  • Jonathan P

    I’ll play devils advocate here…

    You all despise Labours “supposed” clean campaign and belittle them for every negative campaign method they have used.
    What will your thoughts be IF national have coordinated with WO to do its attacking so National can stay clean?

    This is not an accusation or a statement of guilt in any way shape or form, it is a QUESTION.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Pete

      What do you mean “IF”. We talk to National, AND Labour, AND the Greens, and Journalists, AND business people. ALL THE TIME.

      What do you think makes those stories come out every day? We don’t sit here and dream them up.

      Just like newspapers and current affairs programs, information flows to us that make stories.

      That’s not too hard to understand, is it?

      • Jonathan P

        Im not suggesting that you are not in contact with all political parties but that WO has made a effort with the National party to discredit (although they need little help) the opposition so that the National party can stay out of the mud as it were.
        I know I’m treading a very thin line here and I want to make it clear again that I am not accusing WO of this happening because no evidence has been shown yet (or potentially at all).

        • GarethsPussy

          So what?

          Are you new to politics or something? This has happened since forever.

          • wooted

            No, Labour has never leaked anything to the MSM, have they?

        • Wendy Whittaker

          Remember that this site readily criticizes National party people too.

        • Nechtan

          Perhaps the opposition are so bumbling and inept that they pretty much discredit themselves?

        • kaykaybee

          What do you think Hager has done with this batch of stolen emails and the last lot???? He has worked with other forces + sources who have a common goal – to discredit National, advance their own agenda and feather Hager’s own nest. From where I’m sitting the hacking and taking down of websites, the stealing of emails and curating them in a selected fashion looks a lot worse than anything they’re accusing the right of.

      • Agent Balzac

        Well said Pete. People forget that counter views are promoted on WO, it’s not a mouth for just the National Party. The views of all are respected and debated on. I have even seen some pro Green posts!!!

        • Jonathan P

          I can’t disagree with you, there is a broad spectrum of issues discussed but during an election year and leading up to an election its not hard to notice a trend of more “questions” about labour, greens and Cams favorite of all Dotcom (and in turn the IP and MANA).

          I’m not suggesting that this would be wrong either IF WO was doing of their own accord but IF there is cooperation with the National party then that is another story.

          I’m trying to be as respectful as possible because as a private blog Cam and WO are able to do as they please.

          • Agent Balzac

            I can’t speak for Cam or the blog but even if he took money from the National Party that wouldn’t make me feel any different about the blog. He has been accused in the past and denied it, I think Cam does it for what he believes in, the same as the left leaning blogs. Greg Presland accepts monies from The Cunliffe, is that a byline on everything he writes as MickeySavage? If you want to look for dirt expecting dirt, be prepared to come out covered with dirt.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Pete

            Categorical statement: NO MONEY HAS EVER BEEN TAKEN BY CAM SLATER FROM THE NATIONAL PARTY.

            There are times they call and ask us to change things, we laugh and put the phone down.

          • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Pete

            Don’t be dense, of course there is cooperation with the National Party. There is also cooperation with the Labour Party. Where do you think a lot of the Labour dirt comes from? National? Don’t be naive.

          • Muffin

            I also don’t believe Cam has ever said he is unbiased, it’s really such a nothing book

      • kehua

        He would not understand, Pete, it is what Real Jounalists used to do and this Journalist and his Blog does it outstandingly.

    • Steve McGirr

      If that turns out to be the case I will be very disappointed. We expect much higher standards on the right of politics.

    • CheesyEarWax

      WO is just another media medium, just like another medium with an audience. All political parties would want to be heard on all mediums.

      • asdf

        any *real* media outlet would have read the book by now.. :p But WO isnt *real media*…..

        • CheesyEarWax

          Yeah, WO don’t know how to read books anymore.

    • A Goldie

      it is labours policies that i dont like. their campaign is just humour to fill the gap until the next comedy festive starts

    • kehua

      Doesn`t wash Jonathan we have been slagging the ineptness and untruths of the left fo over 6 years on this blog and compared to the Left Blogs it is fairly tame in terms of plain out derogatory comment due to the diligence and integrity of the Moderators here at WOBFH. The truth is, sunlight scares the crap out of the Labour Party and it`s minions. I bet more pages are read on this blog between now and the Election than the total number of pages read in Hagar`s rag, sold and unsold.

      • Agent Balzac

        Is that Cams next project? Betcha it sells better than a book fill of leftist hatred because Cam will level both barrels at all sides.

      • Jonathan P

        As if said below, Campbell Live and Hager have done WOBH an immense favour.

    • rantykiwi

      Cam is an equal opportunity commentator – he calls out hypocrisy and double standards on all sides of the political spectrum. He may be loosely aligned with National but he’s not averse to slapping the bejeesus out of them when they deserve it.

  • ozbob68

    They ban the satirical song but this book makes it under the bar?

    • Jonathan P

      Someone writes a book about Key and everyone sings it’s praise, someone writes a book criticizing Key and it shouldn’t be allowed to be published?

      • ozbob68

        Timing is everything, the campaign had not been launched when Key’s Bio was released.

        • Jonathan P

          But it was the same year as an election. I will agree that timing is everything and it is VERY opportunistic by Hager.

      • kiwibattler

        The problem you have there is that the Key book is just a factual account of his life – the Hager book though appears to be Hager trying to convince people that there is a great National party conspiracy where there may not be one. He was very unconvincing on Campbell Live tonight, admitting that he didn’t have a ‘smoking gun’ but did have a whole lot of bits of information that could resemble a smoking gun (maybe). Hager even admitted tonight that none of the info he provides in the book shows John Key actually taking an active part in the activities.

        • ozbob68

          Is this the information what Kim Dot Com was supposedly sitting on? Are the left scrambling over each other to be the one with the most cred?

          • Mark

            was thinking the same

          • Agent Balzac

            I hope so

          • Mdj

            No. I’d wager the things that National thought were supposed to be released in this manner, will be the ones released by KDC later on. After all, that’s why Greenwald is coming over.

            Did you hear the front footing on ZB this morning? I expect they know that the NSA information is going to come, and thought it was today. IMO

      • Snoop

        Thanks for throwing your hat in the ring JP … :)

        • wooted

          Even though it’s made of tinfoil.

  • Molon Labe

    John Campbell was expecting a bombshell… all he got was a damp match.

    I would wager John is facepalming himself in his office as we all type. No exclusive Chardonnay will take away his utter disappointment.

    Underwhelmed….

    • Quinton Hogg

      For a moment there I thought you said “damp patch”.

  • Platinum Fox

    Campbell did say that he doesn’t (sorry, “we don’t”) believe Cam Slater is in Korea.
    I suspect that Hager probably made his money the old fashioned way, inherited it (and has the guilts, but not enough skills to increase the family fortune).
    Hager comes across as unconvincing, more a fantasist than a researcher/reporter/investigative reporter. His strategic timing is off too as he hadn’t given the networks enough time to read the book before they went to air and seemed unhappy that Campbell had failed to identify the key passages in the book within the hour and a half available.

    • CheesyEarWax

      At this rate Paul Henry will be moving to the 7pm slot.

  • Brainwashed@TECOL

    Some of the biggest kooks have been coming out of the woodwork this election year. It isn’t surprising after Laila Harre showed up that Nicky Hager would have a load of toss to throw into the area also.
    Who actually buys this guy’s books?

  • Snoop

    This was a very well planned attack upon the Whale …
    Nothing but a bunch of blog comments that Hager and Co have manipulated …

    • IKIDUNOT

      Not sure yet if it was ‘very well planned’….I like to judge that in a few days/weeks once we can see how it all works out. Got the feeling Hagar might get more than he bargained for.

  • KatherineS42

    I invite everybody to look at Hagar’s claims. We know already from Twitter that he has defamed Paddy Gower and Mathew Hooton by making false assertions, not to mention the libelling of Cam Slater.

    The claim about the PM’s office and Cam illegally hacking the Labour web site was nonsense.If I remember the website had been poorly coded granting anybody access.

    And the claim that thousands of emails were leaked to him by somebody within Whale Oil is clearly garbage. More likely somebody involved in the denial of service attacks earlier in the year.

    I can see why the launch of his book was timed so close to the main TV News bulletins, even left-leaning TV journos would have shot holes in it had they been given time to read it and check out the allegations.

    As John Key says, Hagar’s books should be in the Fiction section of the library.

    • Bruno 32

      John Campbell now has the credibility of Kim dot com.

  • caleb

    The media are just like a referee in rugby, if one team are winning by a big margin then, whether consciously or not, they favor the loosing side.

  • surfisup

    Is Hager is using stolen emails?

    About time someone starts hacking labour IT systems.

    Who is not guilty of saying things in private that they would not say in public?

    Hager is a disgusting little creep incidentally.

    • Agent Balzac

      I say things all the time in front of my mates I would never utter in front of the missus and kids. Is Nicky going to write a book about that? I find PC restrictive, only because it’s been hijacked by people who want me to stop saying what I think while not holding themselves to the same standards.

      • unitedtribes

        I say things all the time to Mrs Unitedtribes that Pete would ban me for.

        • Agent Balzac

          Pete doesnt want to hear what you say during the money shot united

  • Ronnie Cho

    Dear Cam,

    Enjoy your comeuppance.

    From,

    Some scum from east Christchurch

    • Mark

      I think your last line says it all of yourself really.Well put.

  • Brian of Mt Wellington

    I bet there have been more hits and comments on this site in the last hour than the rest of the so called blog sites get all day. Good for the monthly stats. Will still be No.1 by a country mile.

  • Paulie2

    Been away all day. Just trying to catch up. Can someone just quickly condense into a sentence what Hagar has offered up that is explosive. I see Cam is involved?

    • Lofty [Friend of New Zealand]

      I can do better than a sentence Paulie..I got one word..”yawn”

      • Paulie2

        Thanks. Heading off to dinner with a couple that are Green and Winston fans. Don’t know what I will get as they hate Key….

    • Richard

      I’ll sum it up in one word……..nothing.

    • kiwibattler

      Apparently Cameron Slater is not very nice? Oh, and Whaleoil, Kiwiblog etc get some of it’s information from National party sources….

    • Molon Labe

      I watched Campbell’s ‘exclusive’ but have not of course read the book.

      In a nutshell, John Campbell’s summed it up as, Cameron Slater is a nasty person, which in his view, everyone knew anyway and he also talks to the National Party.

      More like a hit job on Cam. Key was mentioned, no smoking gun at all, and Campbell gave Hagar every opportunity to quote the big one. Innuendo, faux outrage and complete irony (for anyone who has visited the Standard).

      Will change nothing and not impact on middle NZ. I would say the fact that he got the information via some potentially illegal means could well be the interesting angle. Where does this lead and who was the source?

  • Yellow Admiral

    Paul Henry is talking to Hagar on OneNews Tonight at 1025. Should be more entertaining than the Campbell interview!

    • Brian of Mt Wellington

      Paul Henry and TV One are like oil and water.

      • Agent Balzac

        They kill Maui dolphins?

    • Blackcap

      shouldnt that be “Three”? Or have I missed a trick?

      • Yellow Admiral

        TV One.

        • Richard

          ? The Paul Henry Show, on TV3?

      • Yellow Admiral

        My humblest apologies, Blackcap – a brain fade here. Of course it is Three. Sorry.

    • Picard110

      That will be interesting to watch.

    • Mine it,Drill it,Sell it.

      How 5 people could up vote this in correct information is beyond me. Keep it factual Paul Henry 10.30 0n TV3

  • WallyAnchor

    John Campbell will pick up and run with anything to bash the right of centre with even just the smallest shred of evidence or illusion of some. For him to be so dismissive speaks volumes.

    • The Whinging Pom

      That was my feeling too. The left wing blog commenters and twitterers see this as the end for Key but I think it could even backfire on the left.

      Much seems to come down to a whinge that unpleasant information that the left would like to supress was obtained in a not very nice way. For all except the left wing activists I think revisiting the unpleasant information will be far more damaging than reporting the methods used to get it.

      Hager himself seemed very dodgy when Campbell asked him if Slater was being paid by tobacco lobbyists. From his demeanor I took it that he had no evidence whatsoever to support this.

      • Picard110

        It won’t backfire on the left. Because it’s nothing that is not known. Some books will get sold, then it will get lost in the election coverage.

      • Jonathan P

        It could go either way, it won’t destroy or end Key but it could make a few swing voters think.
        “could” being the key word.

  • Not Clinically Insane

    Was Zampolit commie wetting himself with excitement or what?

  • GregM

    The only thing that actually concerns me is the STOLEN emails. I have all sorts of personal family stuff in my mail server, and I would be a tad miffed if someone illegally accessed them.
    Hager could be treading a very fine line here.

    • Jonathan P

      It would not be the first time e-mails have been questionably obtained.

    • Jdogg

      Also a couple of references to facebook communication, leaked or hacked?

    • Picard110

      Hope your not with gmail. The can legally go through your mail.

      • GregM

        Nope. I have “something”.com. But I have no problem with the authorities checking my stuff if needed.

        • Agent Balzac

          I wonder why lefties are so scared of being tracked? I am not pure as snow but hey if the Government wants to look at what I am doing….be my guest. I am not a terrorist, a communist or a hater so I am not bothered…And my sister works for the GCSB. Isn’t it a bit of the old moral “Don’t say behind someones back what you wouldn’t say to their face”?

          • cows4me

            You not a COMMUNIST, well there’s a major problem to start with. Off to the re-education camp for you.

          • Don W

            Our individual privacy and freedoms are paramount and Gov’t function is to protect them not to violate them.

          • Agent Balzac

            I think if you are concerned about your ‘individual privacy’ you should not be connected to the internet at all. Google has more information on you than the Government even if you surf incognito. You give up the right to privacy as soon as you connect to the internet.

          • Kendall

            Yo cannot bake a cake without breaking eggs.

          • Don W

            We probably give up a certain amount of privacy when we get an IRD No and that we all have to work among others, but I will bet that you close your curtains at night so the neighbours can’t peer in to see what you are getting up to Or maybe we should have a video cam that can record our activities for the world to see. It seems that some people do that.

      • Blokeinauckland

        Problem is if they’re going through my mail they’re not answering any of them particularly the inane ones. That would be a real help.

    • Mdj

      Read my comment above Greg. Don’t forget there is a court case going on, regarding ‘obtained emails’ and WO. Just sayin’ is all.

    • James Growley

      I would be more than a tad miffed. I would not let my IT people rest until they uncovered the mongrels, then vengeance would be mine. I think Hager has crossed the line on more than one occasion.

  • kiwibattler

    David Farrar with some initial thoughts. http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/the_hager_book-2.html

    • Molon Labe

      Thanks for the link. Well written and frankly I think David is as underwhelmed as everyone else.

      What a fizzer this is going to be. I can see one use for Hagar’s ‘definitive’ work, as a cure for insomnia.

      The internet meme “FAIL’ springs to mind Nicky.

      • kiwibattler

        The fact a whole chapter is devoted to Farrar just goes to show Hager needed to ‘pad’ the book somewhat.

        • CheesyEarWax

          I wonder if Hagar covered Farrar’s travels and weight loss as well? Maybe they are covers for something more sinister?

    • Moonroof

      An oops in there, I just posted re that, apologies for the duplication

    • Wendy Whittaker

      I particularly liked his last paragraph…

      “…My final comment is to note that people thought his book may be on the NSA and GCSB intercepting electronic communications. It would seem the person who is the biggest recipient and publisher of intercepted electronic communications is in fact Nicky Hager. If someone published a book of e-mails between a group of left-wingers, he’d probably call it a police state, and demand an inquiry”.

  • Michael_l_c

    The whole thing is boring. Politics are dirty. cunny will have dirt files, so far not very good ones, but who knows what he is saving. Apart from the left wetting themselves with excitement who really cares. No one who supports National will care, those in the middle will look and probably think ‘so what they are all at it’.

    Yawn. Don’t give the fire any air.

    • kiwibattler

      I still think if it is the fizzer it looks like then the interest will switch to Hager’s motives and who is behind his information – I can see the lefties shooting themselves in the foot on this one.

    • Blokeinauckland

      The Cunliffe’s said he’s running a positive campaign. He can’t even make dirt up.

  • Snoop

    Paddy Gower has just said that Hagers book …
    “IS NOT A GAME-CHANGER !!!”

    • Michael_l_c

      If Gower says that it really is rubbish.

      • Snoop

        Yeap … :)

    • Picard110

      Paddy is behind. I said that a couple of hours ago.

      • Snoop

        When did you say that Picard110 ???

        • Picard110

          The other thread.

          That this won’t change things and it’s not unknown information about slater and his carry ons.

          • Snoop

            You mean this one Picard110 …

  • Mdj

    I haven’t read every comment so apologies if this has been covered.

    I wouldn’t get too hung up on the fact that Hagar published details he
    received regardless of how he got hold of them. After all, isn’t that
    the same thing that WO is going through with Mr B and the court case?

    Also, on another point, I’d imagine if WO was the benefactor of a huge
    amount if topical information he’d be happy to share. In some respects, I
    wonder if Cam is quietly impressed. After all, politics is a dirty game
    so all is fair in love and war!

    • Jonathan P

      I can’t remember Cams exact words but I took it along the lines of if you want to play in the mud your going to get dirty yourself.
      Cam is not stupid and will be very aware of this, the difference is Cam can and may even come out better off after this.

      • IKIDUNOT

        One difference is that Hagar and his book will be long forgotten in a few days/weeks, WO will be there, day in day out.

  • Morse

    So, Gentlemen, and Gentlewomen (and like-minded Gentlefolk) stay focused and prepared for Election Day; make your vote count!

  • pisces8284 .

    Doing the rounds on Twitter

    Giovanni Tiso

    @gtiso

    ·

    2h

    This picture. I see no reason why we shouldn’t take turns tweeting it for the next six weeks.

    • Garbageman

      lol that guy i had never heard of until he started crying after W/O won the Media Awards, another sad blogger struggling for relevance

    • jude

      It is actually a very nice photo. John Key is always asked to have his photo taken with supporters!
      Whether it be in a factory or in a school. He is that popular:)

  • The Whinging Pom

    Hager also tried to fly the idea that it was unthinkable that someone close to the PM could be working covertly for any length of time. Did he not read the story in today’s press about that commie spy who fooled the NZ establishment for years? Has he never heard of Philby, Burgess, McClean, Blunt and all the other fellow travelers who hid themselves for years while serving the red cause?

    • Bruno 32

      Sutch and Hager would be soulmates . Probably related.

  • Curly1952

    And what did Hagar tell us that we didn’t already know? Every party tries to “infiltrate other parties and get info on them – Its called politics. Didn’t the Labour fellow Mike Williams go to Australia to dig dirt on John Key at the last election. And the Info the Labour site ie The Standard, hasn’t got people doing what Cam does? They have but not as overt as Cam therefore not as upfront and as honest as Cam
    What a complete fizzer!!!

  • Jono

    I suspect this’ll be like water off a whale’s back and the sun will rise tomorrow as usual.

  • NotLaughing

    Right now everybody is “not contactable”… I will put money that those meetings are with lawyers.

    • Bobb

      Who is not contactable?

      • NotLaughing

        Pretty much everyone in the index

    • Picard110

      A good bet. But do they really want to add fuel to a very small ember?

      • NotLaughing

        This is a serious situation. It’s useless to pretend otherwise

        • Picard110

          It is serious that stuff we all knew is in a book?

          And as for the emails, sorry when you act like slater does you are a target for people. If you live on line and behave badly, people will hack you.

          • Agent Balzac

            Wow you start a blog that becomes popular, tell some home truths interspersed with titillation and that’s bad behaviour. Hope you never judge me.

          • rantykiwi

            Really? I’d much rather incur the attentions of Cam than the wrath of the Whale Army – Cam would be far more reasonable and polite.

  • SP

    WOBH must be doing something right to attract such a coordinated takedown/discredit attempt by the MSM, a little green eyed perhaps? Funny thing is that all Hagar’s (hehe) book shows is that at least we’re all in the right place… i.e. the bully on this site at least has a credible source!!!

    • Jonathan P

      Thats the interesting thing, this seems like more of a coordinated attack against WOBH and incidentally involves the National party.

      • Jono

        I picked that up as well. Pretty sad that they have to stoop to such levels to try to discredit a blog.

        • Agent Balzac

          Perhaps Nicky Hager should start one ;p

        • Jonathan P

          I think its pretty fair to say they are nervous if not afraid.

  • Brainwashed@TECOL

    Krim Dotcon will be so disappointed that Hager has stolen his thunder.

    • GregM

      I’m not so sure. My gut feeling is that there is a link there.

    • NotLaughing

      DotCom will most likely print Snowden which will be damaging to the PM… just not sure how damaging. The combination of the 2 could have a serious effect.

      • Curly1952

        Hardly. By the time this book is shown to be a charade no matter what the fat german fraud has people will be over the whole thing and won’t care what he or his muppets have to say

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Pete

      Eh?

      This is Dotcom’s thunder.

      • jude

        Another good reason not to buy then. Did he put money up to publish I wonder? Does he get some of the royalties? Let us hope it bombs then:)

      • Mdj

        No, I don’t believe it is. Just by the way Joyce was front footing the potential GSCB stuff this morning on ZB. I think that’s probably more likely to be what KDC has – just an opinion mind.

        • Molon Labe

          Interesting, that should help temper the FBI’s zeal in Herr Schmidt’s extradition.

          High stakes poker to me and I don’t like his odds.

      • Brainwashed@TECOL

        Yes. And Nicky published it and gets the kudos whereas Krim’s languishing and looking like a fool for not following up on his twitter allusions.

        I might add, I’m thinking about this from the perspective of the kinds of people who are moved by what Laila Harre, John Campbell and David Cunliffe say. You know, morons ;-D

  • Moonroof

    In case of not noticed yet, David Farrar has posted, he makes some points, I like his closing comments: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/the_hager_book-2.html

  • Liberty

    “Big News! Cam Slater talks to National!”

    What is the big deal. We have a journalist posting facts. Now that is something we don’t see very often .

    Hager should be more concerned about leakage/ Stream/ Flood from
    the ABC, as the election draws closer.

  • All_on_Red

    Oh well, I guess Hagar will keep publishing pointless books until he has spent all of mummy’s money. Won’t be long. Still, he’ll get a few free drinks down in Courtney Place for his trouble though.

    • Night Stick

      The old man made good shirts.

  • jude

    Well if this is such a fizzer as being reported here and on MSM , I hope people don’t waste their hard earned money purchasing it.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Pete

      I resent having to buy it! :D You’d think Hagar would give us some comps out of plain courtesy

      • Molon Labe

        The way this is heading Pete, with the publicity, you could almost stretch to buy the skinny guy a beer or at least Mcdonalds :)

      • cows4me

        Wait for tomorrows spread in the Horrid Pete, save yourself some money.

        • 1951

          How will the headline go……”Slatered”…?…..Cam Shafted….?…

      • BloodyOrphan

        I’ll just wait for DotCons’ scanned onto Mega version :-)

        Sounds like Hager would be all on board for that!

        • Mdj

          Surely Boag will have something to say about that ;-)

      • OT Richter

        You’ll be able to get a copy from the Warehouse for $2.99 by the end of the month.

      • Snoop

        You’ll never need to buy it Pete …
        Hagars book will be in a Church Fair soon enuf …
        In a bargain bin offering you money to take the damned thing away …

      • Sally

        Borrow Farrar’s copy. He has finished reading already. i am sure he doesn’t want to keep it- unless he wants a laugh every now and then.

      • CheesyEarWax

        Pete, if the book reveals your emails to have broken the moderation rules there will be hell to pay. The consequences will be far more serious than any colluding with the National Party.

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Pete

          Don’t I know it…. *cringe*

          BREAKING: Pete has been swearing at people in white on white text, and nobody knew!

          • Snoop

            LOL … thats excellent Pete !!!
            I just sent an email to Karyn and Androou …
            Hope it doesnt get intercepted by their boss-people first … :)

          • Agent Balzac

            I know how to do the color code and I dont believe you…. yet.

          • Agent Balzac

            I dont think they work in disqus comments grrrr

      • Isherman

        He’d no more give away an income opportunity than fly to the moon.

    • Jono

      Likewise. Sounds like stuff we already know.

    • GazzW

      By the time you get back from Europe Jude you will be able to help yourself out of the Warehouse $4.99 bin.

      • Dave

        They would have to pay me 100 times that to read it Gazz, sure I’m interested in reading a few pages, but I also have a life!

      • jude

        I am hoping someone can summarise it in. A paragraph and spare me the bother of reading;)

    • rangitoto

      Just wait until it is uploaded to Mega ;)

  • Morse

    I think the pages are stuck together….
    I wonder why?

  • pisces8284 .

    Heath duPlessisAllan
    ‏@hdpaNEWS
    #hagerbook mistakenly refers to PM staffer Frances Till as a woman. She is, in fact, a man.

    • Aaron

      Was just about to post that..
      I think we can rule the rest of the book as bull….. Like we all thought it was

    • Morse

      Well done HdpA
      LOLz

    • Blokeinauckland

      First amateur mistake! If she’s slagging it on minor errors already the book is a joke. Flame out coming up.

      • Aaron

        Was it it ever serious?

    • Molon Labe

      Didn’t he take nine months to carefully research and compile his self-proclaimed masterpiece to save his vision of democracy and enable a socialist future for all?

      Facts and details, always the left’s achilles heel.

  • Blokeinauckland

    Looks like Hager and Campbell Live are using the underpants stealing strategy to build the audience for WOBH and his new media initiative. Brilliant

  • Betty Swallocks

    Shouldn’t any mention of Hager’s latest little vanity project actually appear in the next thread? i.e.”Today’s Trivia.”

    • Morse

      Can we do a five minute quiz around that?

  • Unicorn

    Wow! Wikipedia says Hager was born in 1958…am surprised he’s that age…

    • rantykiwi

      I dunno – he looked ready for a casket tonight on Campbell.

      • Morse

        Gaunt!

      • Molon Labe

        He needs a happy meal or something to cheer him up and put some meat on his bones. Failure does have a cost on ones self-esteem.

        I actually felt sorry for him. He is a nervous and wound up chap.

      • Curly1952

        Not surprised he looked like that. He would be packing it knowing that this book is obviously based on hearsay and dot joining. Waste of time someone taking him to the cleaners our weak judges would pat him on the back and say you are free to go

        • MarcWills

          Very good dot joining Curly – all it needs is some “conspiracy” music to add atmosphere. Something like JC spent several programs trying to achieve after “months” of intense research… yawns all round then too.

      • Doodlehead

        If Minto has a cousin, it’s him

  • IKIDUNOT

    Would me nice if we could move on to something more relevant tomorrow!

  • Howie

    Hagers own words sum it up “You will not believe what you read and how bloody awful it is ”

  • Kendall

    Maybe hager paints the dots and mr dotcom links them a week out. Na too much strategy. Just steal underpants.

  • Snoop

    I am going to beddy-byes now …
    Becos my ability to suffer fools willingly …
    Has never been something I have done very well … :)

    • Morse

      watch your willingly when you go beddy-byes…

      ;^D

  • Isherman

    Herald headline. Hager Book: ‘you will not believe what you read’,.. at least he got that right, lol.

  • OT Richter

    Despite a bunch of people already knowing that the book is stating the obvious, it will be news to a lot of people, particularly the older, less internet savvy folks (ducks for cover). I can’t help but feel that the MSM snippets will to them be revelations, and potentially damaging to the National brand.

    Time will tell I guess. When are the next polls due, and will they include the ‘post-Hager’ period?

  • GregM

    The amusing thing is that this thread will get more pageviews than Hager will get book sales. And the readers here will come back.

    • Alistair Connor

      Well I certainly won’t… cheers mate

      • GregM

        Thanks for visiting anyway. Oh, and did your friend Laila Harre enjoy her time when she visited you in Lyon recently ?
        Check your privacy settings mate :-)

        https://www.facebook.com/alistair.connor.3/photos

        • Muffin

          The troll exposed, well done Greg.

          • GregM

            It’s like shooting fish in a barrel. I’m no interwebz detective by a long shot, but every linkage, and most of the trolling and obfuscation all point in one direction.
            This whole thing has the corpulent convicted karma crusader from Coatesville written all over it.
            I’ve been laughing all night, and I give it until the end of the week until it is all shown up for what it really is.

  • Don W

    Nicky Hager, Who ? He is a nobody, cannot understand why he is getting all the un warranted attention.

    • Molon Labe

      Because they were expecting so much more. Many in the media are desperate for something to break Mr Key’s hold. They are so desperate that they will even talk to someone who was always on the fringe and at best drew a wry smile or smirk from the majority of journalist out there. Even the left of centre ones.

      Hence the obvious disappointment from Johnnie Campbell earlier tonight.

  • Lux

    Maybe the Electoral Commission should rule the book about the PM and his government is election material and should not be released at this time.

    • Jono

      I thought JK’s book release was a bit close to the election, but this one takes the cake with just over a month to go. Most especially if it is to be used by people to try and change the game.

      • Jonathan P

        Its definitely a odd situation as both books are independently written so can’t really be attributed to any political party although assumptions can probably be fairly made.

        • Jono

          But what about that “Planet Key” song being banned? Was that independently made? If so, there’s a bit of inconsistency is there not? Mind you they are at different levels but that hasn’t stopped political satire shows having a go in previous election years.

    • sheppy

      No danger of that, electoral law has never applied to lefties in the recent past (haven’t researched that far back)

  • Richard

    One too many Champagnes dotty?

    • GregM

      Looks like an admission of involvement to me.

      • Richard

        When narcissism overrides self preservation.

    • James Growley

      How the hell can the German criminal “trade mark” karma?

    • Mdj

      In the scheme of things, he’s allowed the occasional toot. Regardless of what you think of him he has a sustained campaign against him from WO (60+ pages and counting). BAU tomorrow, is my guess. I’m still enjoying the show :)

    • Molon Labe

      I think this guy does show psychopathic symptoms. There is no ability for him to understand that he actually has a writ with the US Government vs…..

      I mean, Snowden for example, understood very well that you don’t upset the most powerful state in the history of the world and at least have some form of self-preservation and exit plan in mind.

      They will find you…. they do not forget.

      He acts like a university student on some capping day stunt.

      • Alistair Connor

        As supposed to squashed slater, who takes himself seriously…

        • Muffin

          Don’t see a USA vs Cam Slater writ floating about, will you still back your fat friend when he is locked up in a orange jump suit after being convicted for all he is charged?

        • Muffin

          Hahaha are you just writing what Laila is telling you to, or does it come straight from her sugar daddy?

    • Edward Bufe

      Very predictable, and when they march him off he will wet himself .

      • Snoop

        Kim Dot-Coms intestinal system will be ejecting more than wee’s … lol …

        • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Pete

          [MOD] I’m getting very close to blocking you. This is NOT a GD. **think**

        • IKIDUNOT

          Hey Snoop, hope you won’t be blocked (or block yourself) as I generally enjoy your input :))

          • Snoop

            Thanks for your suggestion IKYN …
            Becos blocking myself is something I am an expert at … :)

  • Cremster

    I first came here (with a sense of guilty curiosity) a couple of years ago when I heard something in the MSM about some evil right-wing blogger.

    There have been few days since that I haven’t checked in.

    I suspect this will be good for WhaleOil overall… Probably more new people will come to this site than will buy Hager’s book.

    • Alistair Connor

      Yeh but it’s now officially dead as a journalistic source… just sayin’

      • rangitoto

        Like the Herald then

      • Cremster

        Nice photo. The bathroom selfie is always a good option. And yes I get that you were wearing red lipstick to protest against violence against women.

        Also it looks like you had a nice time cycling with Laila Harre in Lyon.

        However since you are clearly in cahoots with a senior member of a political party, by your logic, we can’t really trust your opinion, can we?

        N’est-ce pas?

        • Jonathan P

          A little creepy

          • Snoop

            Cremsters post about Leila’s side-kick was one of the funniest cleverest most honest that I have ever seen …

            And I have read a lot of posts over the past few years !!!

            Crem has single-handedly made me believe in God again …

        • Alistair Connor

          Creepy, Cremster, but that goes with the territory I guess. I didn’t realise that my Disqus profile was tied to facebook : will fix. Couldn’t give a toss what you think of my opinion… I only came here to gloat, after all. Have a nice life.

          • Kitschinsync

            Give your mate Laila a call Alistair, she is hip with the interweb thingy and will give you a heads up on how to set up your privacy settings so as to avoid the embarrassment of everyone knowing you signed her up to the Labour party in 1982.

          • Alistair Connor

            Let me guess, that’s not your real name eh? I should perhaps have avoided using mine here, I’m a bit naive like that.
            Oddly enough, I’m not ashamed to have signed up Laila in 1982… overall, that turned out pretty well.

          • Snoop

            Yeah … Right …

          • rangitoto

            Thanks for the additional page hits

        • Snoop

          Awesome !!!
          You deserve a knighthood “Creme-del-a-Creme” … lol …
          Big French Kiss Hug Kiss xox

      • Muffin

        Quite the opposite I think you will find.

  • hookerphil

    Wow, just read through the 365 comments and now there is another 223 in front of me. I am sorry that Hager has been given so much free publicity.

    • Alistair Connor

      I’m glad you’re sorry…

    • rangitoto

      Whaleoil is getting the publicity. No doubt Cam and team are drooling over the page hits.

  • Isherman

    Holes being picked in the ‘facts’ already, you know ‘she’ is a ‘he’ and others to come no doubt. Benjamin Disraeli once said “Its far easier to be critical, than correct”, just sayin..

  • Alan Wilkinson

    Hager keeps himself at armslength fron hackers who steal emails in order to allege the PM keeps himself at armslength from a PR staffer who talks to influential bloggers.

    Stunning, but only in the depth of his hypocrisy.

    • Aaron

      It’s not hypocrisy if the left does it.

  • Lopsy

    Hager is not a journalist, he’s just an extremely motivated and hubristically self righteous ACTIVIST. (Hactivist too possibly). Nothing he has ever written can be accurately described as rational and objective. So to all the quivering lefties dribbling in anticipation of game changing fairy dust…
    Hager is the real hollow man, the empty vessel that makes the loudest noise. I bet he talks to Assange, I bet they’re bosom buddies.

    • Alistair Connor

      Don’t know about Assange, but I’ll bet he’s mates with Snowden. And good on him.

    • jagilby

      “quivering lefties dribbling in anticipation of game changing fairy dust”… oh man, that sentence had me in stitches haha.

  • Cunliffe’s Nana

    Has anyone uploaded Hager’s book to Dotcom’s download site yet?

  • Alan

    I get that this is a right-wing blog and read by National and Conservative voters but I am surprised that so many are writing off Hager – he is NZ’s foremost investigative journalist with international acclaim. It also seems none of you have even read his book. If the links prove to be true and certain people within the government have been slagging off everyone in Christchurch and engaging in full-blown cronyism will you at least credit Hager for his integrity and commitment to the NZ public? Fine if you’ll vote Key and give Slater a virtual BJ but don’t shoot the messenger for showing up your idols for leaving our country in the dump.

    • Statehousekid

      “will you at least credit Hager for his integrity” are you serious. This guy specialises in receiving stolen emails meant for the receiver only and makes them public. Do you honestly call that integrity?

      • Jonathan P

        Are you questioning Cams integrity over the Bloomfield e-mails?
        In both cases it seems e-mails have been obtained by questionable means.
        Lets also not forget that WO has posted “leaked” opposition party information that was never meant for them.
        The same argument that the “opposition parties” documents are in the public interest could also be applied to the potential e-mails between publicly elected government officials and bloggers and news media.

        • Statehousekid

          Did anyone claim that Cam has integrity? He would be the first to admit he doesn’t. He is not trying to be a sanctimonious do gooder like Hagar. He is honest about his intentions unlike Hagar who has a hidden agenda.

          • Jonathan P

            Is Hager trying to be a do gooder or is he doing what Cam does by trying keeping politicians accountable.
            The PM and other members of National MAY have been found wanting, shouldn’t the be held accountable to such things have happened?

          • Statehousekid

            Yes of course they should be held accountable. Cam exposes dirty deeds. Bloomfield is a bankrupt who did not pay his bills. What exactly has Cameron done that needs to be held accountable?

          • Jonathan P

            I never said Cam needed to be held accountable, I was referring to elected officials.

          • Statehousekid

            Ok then what have the elected officials done that needs to be held accountable. Swapped emails with Cameron Slater, how evil.

          • Jonathan P

            I said MAY, stop spinning my words to suit your argument.
            Its childish.

          • Statehousekid

            Resorting now to a personal attack and calling me childish. I can see I am wasting my time here.

          • Jonathan P

            “The PM and other members of National MAY have been found wanting, shouldn’t they be held accountable if such things have happened?”
            Would be ever so kind as to point out where I said elected officials have done anything wrong and that cam needs to held accountable, I’d really appreciate it.

          • Dave

            I believe Cam does have integrity, lots of it. Those emails were provided after being legally obtained and that is in the public domain. But I think the Bloomfield matter is still before the courts and out of bounds for WO. No more comments from me.

          • Jonathan P

            “But I think the Bloomfield matter is still before the courts and out of bounds for WO”

            Fair point.

    • http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/ Pete

      I wouldn’t go as far as calling him a foremost investigative journalist, but you have a point about people talking about something they don’t know about.

      We will have to wait until we can read the book

    • Steve Evans

      Nicky Hager is very far from NZ’s foremost investigative journalist.
      Few if any can have read his book it was only released today.
      Not sure what “full-blown cronyism” is meant to mean.
      I watched Nicky H’s performance on Campbell live and it was pretty disappointing to be honest. He kept talking about how “shocked” people would be but spent a lot of time admitting that things Campbell was raising with him were no big deal. This on a day when a song on YouTube calls John Key a Nazi and goes further than that. Eh?

      • Alistair Connor

        err… name three other NZ investigative journalists with a better track record than Hager. Go on.

        • Steve Evans

          I don’t actually think Nicky is a journalist but:

          Philip Kitchin, Marta Steeman, Fred Tullet….there are plenty more sunshine.

        • Dave

          Never heard of him prior to last week, so a nobody. A lot of online references say one needs to make their own minds up if his account or version of things is entirely factual. Others said his writing is lacks any balance.

          • Mdj

            Dave surely you are aware of Corngate? Helen Clarks infamous “creep” comment re John Campbell?
            Yeah Hagar.

            So he essentially seems to be equal opportunity when it comes to whoever is in power at the time.

            (Unless you were being facetious, in which case – carry on..)

          • Dave

            No, sorry I had not heard of him, was living in Aussie 95 to 08 so missed the entire Clark government, incredible timing! Kept up with all the important news, so I guess Hagar is unimportant.

          • Mdj

            Ok fair enough, would have thought the near toppling of Ms Clark would have been important to you (assumption that you have been right-leaning all along) but I was mistaken :)

        • CheesyEarWax

          Wake up, impartial investigative journalism is dead. Hager is not an investigative journalist, he is an author.

          • Muffin

            He is exactly what he is accusing cam of, a political mouthpiece, just he thinks he is hiding it.

        • rangitoto

          You mean novellists?

        • Unicorn

          Donna Chisholm
          Pat Booth
          and even Ian Wishart would be ahead of Hager…

    • CheesyEarWax

      Its not just us writing off Hager, even other journalists are writing off Hager.

    • Cunliffe’s Nana

      Alan, there’s probably a few new facts in the book. There’s also a lot of hot air and conjecture. It’s hardly earth shattering stuff. (No I haven’t personally read it yet – it was only released this evening at the other end of the island).

      Check this link: http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/08/the_hager_book-2.html for the response of one of the subjects of the book. In summary: it’s a great big yawnfest.

      • Night Stick

        I loved the comment on that site;
        ‘This book will be pure porn to the Left.’

    • Alan Wilkinson

      We haven’t read the book and probably won’t, but Hager had his opportunity on Campbell Live to put his case and fired blanks. Why should we think there is anything of substance in it?

      • Night Stick

        He could have said, ‘But wait, there’s more’, or ‘if you buy one book we will will throw in another free, but wait there is even more, we have this amazing offer of ‘The Hollow Men’ thrown in free as well’.

    • kiwibattler

      “integrity and commitment to the NZ public”?? The fact he does not delve into the other side of the story (Labour links to ‘the standard’, Dotcom – Green links to Greenpeace, Dotcom etc) suggests he is only representing a left-wing view of the issue hence where is his integrity?

    • Muffin

      You are kidding right, foremost investigative journalist. I can’t believe you can type that with a straight face. Guy is drawing long bows from stolen emails. He’s a con artist for the left

  • CheesyEarWax

    Lets see if Hagers books makes it to the bestsellers list.
    (pic)

    • kiwizeppelin

      John Key “grooming the electorate like a pedophile on a school picnic”

    • Toddus

      I have a copy of book #2 – an interesting read.

  • Rex

    What I want to know is, is receiving so called hacked emails illegal? Can this Hager prove someone ‘else’ hacked WO’s emails.

    • Alistair Connor

      I don’t think Hager’s lost any court cases over his previous books. He’s pretty thorough

      • kiwibattler

        It’s not the information he sources that is questionable, its the twisted conclusions he reaches using that material.

    • Jonathan P

      Surely that compares to the Bloomfield e-mails.
      I’m happy to be proven wrong but its seems both have been obtained by “questionable” means.

      • Dave

        No, it’s public domain stuff, those emails were legally obtained by WO, the matter is still before the courts……..

    • Tony

      Perhaps th Police should charge Hager with steeling the emails. He can then accept it or file a defense stating who he got them from. He has been too clever by far admitting that the emails were stolen.

  • Unicorn

    Remember Hager once got caught out with the Sunday Star Times, investigating a story that turned out to be an elaborate hoax…2004 methinks

  • Wendy Whittaker

    I suspect that Hager is just another in a long line of people who have taken cash off the convicted hacker (ooh look, there is a coincidence) and been used as a tool to “take down” the government/John Key/John Banks/Cam Slater/anyone who offends his delicate sensibilities.

    Not rocket surgery.

    • Alistair Connor

      Well, Hager has a long track record of taking bribes and publishing books that turn out to be inaccurate… doesn’t he?

      • Aaron

        he can’t even get the sex of staffers in the PMs office right.

      • CheesyEarWax

        Yeah, how can Hager be inaccurate devoting a whole chapter on Farrar using public information from his website?

      • kiwizeppelin

        no

  • kiwibattler

    According to Hager all people that post on right wing blogs are hate merchants trying to outdo each other in making the nastiest comments – he obviously has never visited the standard or daily blog…http://dirtypoliticsnz.com/

  • Aaron

    Actually I wonder who owns the domain name. They are hiding. http://whois.domaintools.com/dirtypoliticsnz.com

  • Unicorn

    Five hours after the launch @dirtypoliticsnz has 17 followers….

  • hookerphil

    Watching him on TV1 – he reflects to me the type of person I would never like. Now he is saying he received all the emails after W/O was taken down.

  • Night Stick

    Damn, Paul Henry is not on until 11.30pm. He seems to be getting later and later.

    • kiwibattler

      It’s on now? Edit: He has employed a speed reader to read the book! Ha!

    • hookerphil

      No, on now

      • Night Stick

        Can’t trust their website timing then.

        • redherring

          Looking at TV3 plus 1?

        • hookerphil

          Can’t trust them.

  • Rob

    First time caller… and I’d just like to say I’m enjoying the thorough debate here on Fox News, Fear Unbalanced

    • PhantomsDoc

      Hey Rob. Everyone’s welcome. Glad to have you here.

  • kiwibattler

    Nicky Hager on Paul Henry’s show still looks like he is making stuff up on the spot and still no smoking gun. When asked if he looked at the lefties using blogs as well to spread their propaganda he said he didn’t ‘detect’ that they were doing anything similar and lefty type sites like Whaleoil don’t exist. I think old Nicky has been caught with he lefty slanted pants down.

    • CheesyEarWax

      They had a book reviewer speed read through it and he recommends to borrow it rather than buy it. Lol.

      • Rob

        Speed reader Charles Finny of Saunders Unsworth and former CEO of the Wellington Regional Chamber of Commerce.

  • Aaron

    I heard people say it is a great book.. Great for starting your fire.

    • kiwibattler

      It hasn’t many pages – I doubt if it’s even good for that…

  • Edward Bufe

    Charles Finney on the book, 5%interesting, wont buy but may borrow. Not really blockbusting material, another wet squib no bang just a fizz. .

  • Seed Sower

    So what’s up with this then?

    Sean Plunket Radio Live
    about an hour ago
    Have just spoken to Cameron Slater I’ll tell you what he says about Dirty Politics tomorrow after the 9am news on Radiolive.

    Because Whale Oil posted this…

    “It is somewhat amusing to see the media reaction to all this, especially
    John Campbell not believing that Cam is overseas. He left on Sunday
    to go to Fiji and has filed stories from there, including photos. He
    flew out this morning on the next leg of what is a 15 day trip. Right
    now we’re not talking to other media yet. We can’t talk about a book we
    haven’t read.”

    So who is telling the truth?

    • Wendy Whittaker

      Pssst…I think they have telephones overseas…

      • rangitoto

        Yes. The interweb thingy is found in the most surprising places.

  • Mick Ie

    If someone/persons deliberately puts a virus into a computer, does that make them a cyber-terrorist? And If they steal the information from that computer does that also make them a thief? And if they pass that information onto a third party does that make the TP an accomplice to the terrorist act, a receiver of stolen goods or both? And if the TP then on-sells the stolen goods for personal gain, does that make them a ‘fence’? Has Nicky Hager broken a lot of laws or should I just remove my tin foil hat?

    • Dave

      I’m siding with your thoughts. Well said.

      • Snoop

        I’m with you and Mickey …
        That extradition thingee seems to have moved forward a few notches … :)
        Remind me to thank Nicky Hagar when I next bump into them … lol …

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  • Time For Accountability

    Police must now interview Hagar for the source of his emails in an investigation about the blog attackers who stole them.

    Also MSM always ask if material has been stolen and if the know they are not supposed to use it.

    Hagar has no defence of journalistic source privacy – ask Fisher.

    Perhaps the answers may solve the don Brash email leaks.

    • Dave

      True, well spotted. There is a direct precedent there, the judge ruling Fishervwas writing a book not writing as a journalist reporting news. A very clear distinction as nothing Hagar wrote was news.

  • Ian Hawthorn

    I still don’t see a smoking gun here. However while on the subject of smoking, this did help explain Cam’s rather odd recent obsession with plain packaging laws.

    • la la land

      Yep that and the sugar stuff… I never bother reading those ones anyway

      • Ian Hawthorn

        I don’t begrudge the man his living. After all I’m not paying to read the blog. But people need to know how thin the line between story and advertising can be. Nice though to see that our comments, which Cam probably finds mildly embarrassing, are still here. The moderation system around here has integrity.

  • Edwin Wigmore

    I hope Hagar gets outed over this. Having read the views of the people he wrote about in “the hollow men” the book was full of half truths and downright lies.

  • Theus Goodwin

    On whaleoil commenters: “It is more like political warfare than a debate of ideas and beliefs”. Clearly they were expecting tiddley winks.

  • Blackcap

    For those interested, Hagar is on Firstline or channel 3 at about 20 past 7 this morning. Can’t remember which one it was sorry but think it was Firstline.

  • Sceptical Harry

    So let me get this straight:

    – Hagar uses emails stolen by a hacker (most likely associated with Crim dot Com) to write a book;

    – claims it’s proof National party are connected to Slater (shock horror);

    – claims it proves right of Politics is dirty;

    So where is the balanced journalism that would show how left leaning blog sites also are affiliated with left politicians?

    I suspect someone paid for Hagar to write that book. Someone who has a determination to do damage to JK. Thinking of a big guy with a onesee…..

    • Nate

      If you uncover a link between Labour and left bloggers you can have a scoop too? I think we can all agree with the way one might use such information on either side.

  • Kim Artus

    If this Hager guy is so perfect in every way, shouldn’t he be exposing the people who hacked this site? Seems like he is using a conspiracy to uncover a conspiracy, which seems a bit hypocritical.

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  • Visitor from Hawkes Bay

    Are you ready for the
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    Out soon “The H Fee” insights into positive
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    look out for the use of duplicity of fact and other edgy left-field hypocrisy.
    Deception, deceitful dissimulation and violation of privacy pieced together to
    create an assumption of truth.

    More
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    ”The H Fee” includes excerpts from “Whispers” Barkers travelogue of China. “The
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    Who
    knew what, who rolled over and what was promised to whom.

    More
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