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  • Another All Black game on, with a dedicated post for comments, so please, no rugby talk here. No scores, even when the game is over, and no final result either. This allows people who are watching it delayed to enjoy Backchat without the risk of having their game spoiled. Thanks. (PS: the big stick will be used on anyone who tries to be ‘funny’)

  • Nechtan

    Today in Rock History:

    Born today in 1944 Tim Bogert (John Voorhis Bogert III) bassist with Vanilla Fudge, Cactus and Beck, Bogert and Appice.

    Born today in 1953 Alex Lifeson (Aleksandar Zivojinovic) songwriter and guitarist with Rush.

    Born today in 1956 Glen Matlock original bass and songwriter with The Sex Pistols, he played on their first album and co-wrote 10 of the 12 tracks but left the band before its release.

    Today in 1982 “Pictures at Eleven” Robert Plant’s debut solo album was awarded a Gold record.

    Today in 1990 singer, songwriter and guitarist Stevie Ray Vaughan was killed in a helicopter crash aged 35.


    • Nige.

      Oh Stevie. What a talent. If I ever feel like feeling happy, angry, sad, vengeful, elated, remorseful, awe-inspired, upset, relieved or just want to ask myself if there was ever anyone better than Clapton…..

      I just chuck on some S.R.V.

  • Lux

    I found this in the KJA group on facebook ..

    I wonder if the Herald will re-post this from Reddit..!

  • Nige.

    Blueburd answered last nights question with:

    “times are slightly better”

    How does today compare to yesteryear?

    • Nige.

      Crank it up and think of the old days when everything was simpler and easier!


    • XCIA

      More toys! I have all the toys I wanted when I was growing up plus a whole heap of new ones ;-)

      • Nige.

        And the prices are incredibly low

        • XCIA

          I wish that were so! Its cost me a relative fortune to replace the Matchbox, Dinky, Hornby Dublo etc., that I held near and dear ;-)

          • Nige.

            Oh. You mean ACTUAL toys.

            I thought you meant cool stuff like drones and octocore box’s and home security systems and smartphones!

          • XCIA

            That’s on top of all those modern ones!

    • hookerphil

      It’s a load of bullocks now. A group has been volunteering for years in a very good local Council Reserve doing maintenance work for quite a few years, a lot of ex farmers and practical person.
      Suddenly now (guess why) they have to sign a sheet that requires hi viz jackets, safety boots, hats, sunscreen, etc rubbish and are now not allowed to drive a tractor, operate a chainsaw, spray weeds or even climb up a ladder.
      Cannot see this group operating for that much longer.

      • Spiker

        Regulated out of existence, it’s happening everywhere.

      • Greg M

        Agree. The government for some reason has decided it can legislate against stupidity, which in itself is stupidity.

        • Blueburd

          Oh don’t get me started on stupidity. I had a, we’ll call it a discussion, with a guy who was walking along in a car park with his head buried in his phone. I had the back of my van open and it seems the lid startled him. He immediately asked to see my H & S procedures as it could be dangerous for tall people as they could walk into the van lid.

          I just looked at him and said, “surely not as dangerous as someone walking through a carpark area with their head buried in their phone not paying attention to the vehicles around them”.

          He quipped I needed to have a procedure in place, I explained I did, it’s called natural selection, to which he said that want stand up in court. I got the last one in explaining neither would he after walking into my van lid.

          It’s just crazy out there

      • Nechtan

        Exactly the same out my way, local groups have been getting together and picking up all the rubbish thrown out the windows of cars or deliberately dumped on the side of the road. But with all the bureaucratic box ticking that has to occur now it wont last much longer.

      • Brent

        Yet you can protest in front of a car with out traffic control Day glows or signs at regulated measurements and pretend to be hit then take the driver (who’s the only person in the right place) to court.

    • Lux

      I wish I had lived in a different era, and been a secret spy, with lots of lovers, gallivanting around the world, with loads of help to help whisk me away from danger once it got too close.

      • hookerphil

        “and been a secret spy….(posing as a top chef in the worlds best kitchens.)…with lots of lovers…………

        • Lux

          I’m Sorry to tell you.. But, there would be no time for cooking in my lala spy dreams ..

          • MaryLou

            No. It’s like having to go to the loo at awkward times. These things aren’t necessary in dreams.

    • Blueburd

      I grew up in a community that didn’t lock doors, close windows, everyone knew each other. Us kids would bugger off each morning to play, coming home just before dark.

      I miss that life and sadly my children will never know it

    • Was just talking that through with Mr 13 the other day. I was born exactly at the right time to enjoy the personal computer revolution, and I expressed regret that he just thinks it all “normal”. I still get a kick out of it regularly while he just goes “so?”. :)

      • Lux

        Take all his devices away for a few weeks . and see if he still has to same answer :-)

        • I was lucky, I grew up in a family with an encyclopedia. A little slice of paper Internet.

          • Lux

            I have my fathers dictionary, which is about 20 inches wide, it is a work of art.

          • My class prize in 6th form was a Collins Dictionary. I gave it to Mr 13 to use and he’s completely bewildered by it. Why on earth would you put words in a book like that?

          • Lux

            We used to love reading the dictionary, and especially looking up rude words as teenagers ..

            It was not that long ago, it’s amazing how quickly the internet has changed the world.

          • My parents used to have a huge mail order catalog for mail order shopping on the coffee table. It was updated for each season. It had everything in it. Including ladies’ underwear and facial massagers. For some time, that was as exciting as it got!

          • Greg M

            Books have one massive advantage. They work anywhere on the planet, no wifi or charging needed. )

          • Wash your mouth out. That’s why I carry multiple redundant systems. Failing to prepare is preparing to fail. :P

          • Greg M

            Bet you two bucks you pack a paperback if you’re heading into the back country for a few days. :-D

          • Nope. I carry spare batteries. My phone is such a multi-use tool. GPS, offline toppo maps, when on ridges I fire off progress and intention reports, photography, logs, emergency lighting, check weather forecasts. I have a book, podcasts… for all that I carry a few spare batteries.

            Paper I DO carry tends to be a laminated section of topo. Just in case it all goes to pot.

          • …once I was on my 3rd night out in a hut that just had some coverage if you went outside and held your mouth right. I had nursed the last battery to 20% and told Mrs Pete I would fire off a message in the morning before setting off and coming down. Turned the phone off knowing I’d be OK in the morning., What I hadn’t counted on was that it was below zero and the battery had given up. I stuck it under my armpit for a while until it hit body temp. By the time I had booted the phone up, it was saying it had an empty battery. I JUST managed to fire off a TXT before it died. Not that I would have been in trouble, but it was nice to know Mrs Pete wouldn’t be worried all day :)

          • Greg M

            The only electronic device on the pack is usually the PLB and nothing else. Mind you, I’m a tight sod that still uses the Alexto trapper frame pack purchased new in 1980. You can get a litre of white spirits for the colemans in the frame and there’s even a handy little tap there. ))

          • Ha, awesome. Yeah, I carry a PLB too. Which reminds me, I need to have the batteries replaced in case it isn’t going to be up to the job when I need it.

            It’s amazing how useful tech can be at times. Once I was on a tree covered ridge and I decided to set up camp. I fired up the phone… OMG! Connected. Fired up Google Satellite and saw there was a nice clearing 200m off-track.

            Just get a kick from that sort of thing. I don’t solely rely on it, but while it works it certainly adds to the fun of it all.

          • Greg M

            Yeah I should give it a go, next time the back country calls I should pack the phone just to see what’s available. Genuinely never taken taken a phone with me ever. Some dropkick tenant will probably call asking me for the details for a dishwasher repair man or similar. )

          • I hear ya. I once summited a peak and fired up the phone to take some photos and fire off a progress message and update my intent, and before I could do anything the phone rang and I had this absolutely surreal conversation “no, I can’t come over right now. why not? well, I’m sitting on top of a mountaon. no, really. It’s going to have to wait. Yes. It’ll take me the rest of the day to come down and then it’s still a 3 hour drive to come home.” Kind of destroys the magic of solitude that way.

          • MaryLou

            So what would you do if all communications got knocked offline for a week? Like a solar flare, or summin? A book’d be handy then…

          • I’m not preparing for an post-apocalypse scenario because that will never happen. NEVER I TELL YOU

            (curls up in a ball sobbing, holding his smart phone)

          • Duchess of Pork

            A slide ruler might spark his interest for a minute or two.

          • I so looked forward to learning how to use one when it turned out when I got to the year where they were used, it was the very first year calculators were introduced. That rippled all along my schooling, where I would pick up the electronics revolution wave and I have been riding it in ever since.

          • Duchess of Pork

            The rulers were overtaken by calculators quite quickly as I recall. Seems weird to have lived through an era where both were considered edgy. We had math teachers that were very anti both devices – mumblings of dumbing down education and developing lazy habits were heard from time to time.

          • I’ve drilled the mental arithmetic into my boys. I can ask what 5 times 98 cents comes to and he will come up with the answer in seconds.

            It comes from having complete ____________ for parents.

          • I should add, I take Mr 13 into the the fruit and vege shop and get him to work out if the loose tomatoes at $4.99 for a 600gm bag is a better deal or a worse deal than the loose ones at $7.99/kg.

            I torture my children like that all the time.

          • Duchess of Pork

            Go carefully or they may enrol for a Diploma in Performing Arts when they finish college.

          • Duchess of Pork

            Boys benefit from rote drilling the basics. It may be a side effect of my woman flu but I now have a mental picture of two boys lining up before a whistle-blowing Captain von Tapp
            and calling out $4.90 Sir!

      • Blueburd

        I tried to explain to my eldest that I remember when we got our first colour TV. He didn’t believe me that there was a time with no colour or TV’s for that matter. He is one very smart cookie, he then asked what did they point their lounge cheers at if there was no TV.

        • Some years ago, I was helping a dear old man in his 80s who had been given a laptop and a printer by his family who didn’t live in the same area. Two very awesome things happened that showed that you can’t take someone born that far ago and expect them to immediately pick up the concepts.

          1) he once asked me when the ink on his laptop screen needed replacing. He had refilled the printer a number of times and was astounded the laptop screen was still going without a refill.

          2) he once told me that he was done with the Internet. He had looked at everything of interest on gregorian chants, and there wasn’t much else to look at. Every time he searched on Google the same pages came up, and he had read them all, so he was done with that Internet thing.

    • Mark

      Things are way better in some ways,we have tremendous selection in bikes/cars at very reasonable prices and much safer & easier to use.Cellphones are an incredible bit of tech that make us much safer & enable us to have the world at our fingertips.
      Medical technology keeps us going for much longer & with little effort on our part.

      The main regression has been in our ability to reason & argue & disagree,freedom has gone backwards & a reckoning is coming,it seems that indeed;
      “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

      Thomas Jefferson

      It deserves to happen in our generation,we let it get way more out of hand than we should have.

  • (pic) Caution: Dad joke

    • ex-JAFA

      I heard on the radio today a groaner that was something like, “My friend said I should sign up as an organ donor. He’s a man after my own heart.”

  • XCIA

    In Scotland not all coo’s are cows………

  • Cadwallader

    To quote Lindsay Perigo regarding OSH: “Ignore the OSHvitzes!” They are all Hitlers with clipboards and from personal experience of staring them down they do give up on imposing their absurdities. To quote Margaret Thatcher: ” If you give a small man a big discretion the small man quickly kills the discretion!” PS The words may be slightly off keel but the message is vivid.

  • ex-JAFA

    A mixed visit to Auckland today. It was excellent to attend the final lecture at Candidate University in person (pic of our guest speaker; you may also recognise the top student right next to me), then hear great speakers addressing issues around tech in gummint.

    But on my arrival, I learned that my brother’s been admitted to hospital. So I visited him this arvo. I barely recognised him. He’s just skin and bone, and utterly exhausted. Severely dehydrated and on a drip because he can’t keep anything down. He doesn’t think he’ll leave. Sounds very much like we’re down to the last few weeks.

    • hookerphil

      Been there, it’s tough work, may be quicker than you think. It’s been good that you have been able to share such a lot in recent weeks, plus he has the coffin made. Share all the moments you can, you will never regret it.

    • KatB

      Sorry to hear about your brother. Thoughts are with you.

    • Lux

      That is such sad news about your brother, look after yourselves. ♥

    • Blueburd

      Thoughts to you Ex-Jafa

    • KGB

      Stay strong. Thoughts are with you both.

    • ex-JAFA

      Thank you all for very much your kind thoughts, even though you don’t know me or my brother.

  • Hello everyone, we’re back.

  • Blueburd

    Finally a Uni that understands free speech

  • Mark

    I’m all full now :) Ok there may be room for a couple more beers,but I think the apple pie is going to have to wait.

  • ex-JAFA

    I don’t know what he (you mean Jordan?) looks like. Especially not from that angle. I meant Rimmer, or as I prefer to call him, my very good friend D.B.Seymour.

    • Hah. From the back they are kind of similar.